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TESTED: Do you really need to prime your plastic models to protect them? What about varnish?

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Priming plastic minis- Is this necessary or just superstition? Which is more important to protect our minis, primer or varnish? Seven elite squads of grot drop troopers will put this to the test!
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@BlackMagicCraftOfficial 3 года назад

I'm a little disappointed with how many goblins you are housing in that container. It should be at least 15 gallons for that many goblins.

@AzraelThanatos 3 года назад

Of course, give them to much space and they pop up everywhere and set your house on fire...along with fungal infections...

@c.h.8447 3 года назад

I just loved the kind of "no gobbos were harmed while filming this video" like disclaimer.

@8ballpoolsharkful 3 года назад

When fish keeping memes cross over with mini painting...

@tacky4237 3 года назад

3d printing might solve that

@Saphire_Throated_Carpenter_Ant 3 года назад

over stocked and under filtered...

@Maphrox 3 года назад

On today's episode: Brent commits crimes against miniatures, for science

@tristanellis-mascoll1171 3 года назад

No one in 40k would agree to that being a crime. Even orcs would have a joyfull laugh seeing the grots being handled like that.

@MrVolvobloke 3 года назад

You should have saved a lot of effort and just sent them through the post marked 'fragile'.....

@dracometeors3010 2 года назад

Absolutely fckn savage but unfortunatly very true.

@martijnvs 3 года назад

Brent is like that one chemistry teacher in high school who was everyones favorite bc of all the cool experiments they did.

@chuck-n-debtaylor7553 3 года назад

My favorite was the prof who blew up cakes of sodium in buckets of water - we all loved it!

@rev.timothyhafner8108 3 года назад

We had one of those

@psychosugar3320 3 года назад

Also the chalkboard is definitely just a very good picture of his cat throughout all the year

@jacobhope6164 3 года назад

I totally know what you mean. My chemistry teacher was THAT chemistry teacher. Among many other things that wouldn't fly in todays world, he taught us how to make gun powder, napalm, and chlorine gas. He didn't want any of us doing it by accident, or for any of us to be able to say we didn't do it on purpose. Ah, the 80's... It was a simpler time. 😏

@williaminnes6635 3 года назад

Dr. Page once showed us an experiment where he set a bunch of magnesium the size of his fist on fire and took cover behind a test tube rack while we gathered around to watch the iron dust in the sand being melted to solid iron out the bottom of the flower pot. I remember he got into the finer details of mixtures of shot and powder in the hobby of shotgun shooting with my lab partner. (hello Sharif Khan if you're out there, I did shave the bottoms of my sideburns at some point, and ended up getting through that calculus class with more of an A than a B in the end.) (Hello Dr. Page, I never did go into chemistry, but, what has stuck has stuck.)

@speeeddemon 3 года назад

Hmmm. Was this a stress test to the goblins or to the man himself? 15 min of shake.turn.jump and destroy minis has to be totaly abuse to the mind. Thanks for doing this for us :)

@kl1thedominion 3 года назад

This was the most wholesome attempt on my life anyone has ever made. I almost had a heart attack watching you bounce those minis around, but I was grinning like an idiot the whole time.

@ramblingbadger 3 года назад

I can't believe you didn't drill the barrels.

@danielniquet5366 3 года назад

What I came for.

@jacobhope6164 3 года назад

Hahahahaha!

@Nortic111 3 года назад

You're dedication to the 'crash dummy science' is greatly respected.

@GoobertownHobbies 3 года назад

Those brave little grots ;-)

@yipyipyipi 3 года назад

I think priming and sealing became common advice when pewter was the norm. The metal is incredibly rough to paint on, and rubs off incredibly easy.

@EternalQuestion 3 года назад

You said in one paragraph what I said in about 5 in my comment 🤣 But yes, I totally agree!

@1945atombomb 3 года назад

I used to cast lead minis years ago, this is so true. I've had paint actually fall off the metal overnight with nothing touching in at all

@MyAlessandro1995 3 года назад

The are some plastic models that sadly have some problems if not sealed, i primed all my minis but for example The primaris librarian and chaplain robes, If you touch them even If The paint is dried completly you may risk to ruin them, so you have to put a varnish on them

@madmanvarietyshow9605 3 года назад

@@1945atombomb when I was painting a pewter model for a friend I straight up rubbed dry paint off of it while handling it. So yeah totally agree with this comment section.

@stefan020290 2 года назад

As someone who first started Warhammer in 3rd Edition, seriously fuck metal models. They were awful to paint, fell apart if they fell on their side (looking at you nightbringer and deceiver) and some units were awful to collect since they only came in blisters (Necrons pariahs for example, a whole unit of 10 would cost you around 80 euros in early 2000s money, would be around 140 in today's GW prices)

@Whitewingdevil 3 года назад

I've painted GW models for 25 years, and early on when I was a child I didn't have access to spray on primer (what with being 7 at the time) and I quickly learned about paint rubbing off easily when brushed on. I think the airbrush partially dried the paint as you laid it down, thin coats helped it dry faster, and your test procedure of allowing a good amount of time to let the paint cure also helped a lot. One note for anyone out there reading this comment: I've learned that contrast paints, specifically the red ones, act in a similar way to painting over bare plastic, in that it can easily rub off for some time after being painted, even if it seems dry. I've learned this the hard way, when a few cloaks I have painted got damaged when lightly handled a couple of days after painting them, and that was a case of primer, contrast paint, and two coats of washes. I've gotten into the habit of varnishing anything that I paint predominantly with contrast paints as a precaution since then. That being said, I've also used it as a technique when I want a fast and dirty highlight on something, by painting contrast paint over a more stable coat, letting it dry for an hour, then rubbing with my thumb to catch the edges I want to stand out (specifically I have used this on Necron Warriors, painting their weapons with black templar over a metallic coat, and abrading it to have the edges shine).

@mattdeeley4302 3 года назад

Thank you! I love the goobs and he's usually very scientific with his methods but the fact that each model was base coated with an airbrush with the same colour is where the test becomes a lot less useful for me personally. I have had issues with paint flaking off occasionally but had no idea why it would happen on some minis and not others, the contrast paint weakness is an interesting point and I'll look out for that in future.

@christianszucs4669 Год назад

I agree. I use inks and vallejo paints and I commonly have issues with paint rubbing off. In that case, undercoating/varnishing is important.

@MrXhukari 3 года назад

This was a cool video. But I feel a follow up test could be useful! One which mostly focuses on brushed-on paint only, and of different colours.

@ConkerGPO 3 года назад

You and Midwinter Minis hepled me to start collecting AND painting again after 20 years of break, I started again with cadian trooper and I'm more confident thanks to your videos. And thanks to this one I understand how priming your minis impaxt them. Keep up the good work ^^

@tristanellis-mascoll1171 3 года назад

I know how you feel. Squidmar Miniatures, Tabletop Minions and KiriothTV also helped me. (and many more by now, like Dana Howl, EonsofBattle, eBay miniatures rescue, Pete the Wargamer, Sam Lenz, Duncan Rhodes, Tabletopwitchcraft etc) I made the mistake and started with Miniac. It was a mistake because his skills are quite initmidating. (but he has so many usefull advice, also he is nuts) But with the help of Brent and "Uncle Adam" I was able to overcome this hurdle.

@triruns 3 года назад

This is what 2020 has finally brought Brent to.

@jacobhope6164 3 года назад

Oh my goodness! 😂

@alienatedbeing7513 3 года назад

Not sure how none of them took much damage, my models always seem to scratch easily if I don’t prime them with a rattle can! 🤔

@garfieldwithissuez 3 года назад

Agreed. Also if I don't wear gloves when I paint my fingers rub even dry paint off.

@TheDerwish 3 года назад

@@garfieldwithissuez Do you use a painting handle of some sort? That helped me a lot.

@turgbrittania1983 3 года назад

It is probably more down to the actual spray paint vs paint.

@alienatedbeing7513 3 года назад

Painting handles are a must, makes life so much easier. I don’t wear gloves, so I’m always super paranoid about touching the model with my fingers! 😂

@alienatedbeing7513 3 года назад

For painting handles you can use anything the right size and shape, at the moment I’m using some old cylinder shaped asthma inhalers. I use a bit of blue tack on the base of the models to attach them

@animeator 3 года назад

This.. was the wholesome mini content I needed today. With bonus cat. Bonus cat never hurts. Thank you 🥰

@deifiedtitan 3 года назад

Priming’s essential if you’re brush painting which is why it’s the done thing. Airbrushing wasn’t anywhere near as common when these old rituals were established. I remember painting old Eldar without priming about 15 years ago and the paint’s own surface tension pulled the paint together rather than coating evenly. Paints and plastics have changed since then, though. Varnishing has lots of applications like preserving layers while you work over the top of them (Vince Venturella does this a lot), preventing your own fingers from rubbing paint layers off (personal experience), making something tougher than it has to be for common use (eg. Store models used for demos which will have all sorts of hands and mishaps happen) or changing the reflectivity of the material like matting down satin paints with a matte varnish.

@chaoscultist5679 3 года назад

Amen, preach it brother! :D

@CloudianMH 3 года назад

I brush paint. If I showed you my primed and unprimed you wouldn't not be able to tell the difference. I have about 50% of both. It's nonsense left over from metal mini era.

@DoctorDroplet 3 года назад

Just the sheer enjoyment you can read from his face makes this a delightful video.

@fishnoggin5319 3 года назад

"15 minutes is an eternity when your goblin buddies are in danger" aw, poor guys

@TheKlabim 3 года назад

I guess the minis being painted by an airbrush had much influence on their paint sticking to then

@monsieurphysiquechimie 3 года назад

this

@samprastherabbit 3 года назад

That is an interesting point!

@kirktate647 3 года назад

Fun experiment! I first started painting minis ~40 years ago. Lead minis with the paints available back then, when subjected to handling with fingers during play, had paint rub off fairly easily *unless* you primed and varnished. The difference was *stark* and impossible to overlook. I had so many minis with shiny elbows, knees, heads, and base rims where lead polished with finger oils peeked through. Once I'd built the habit of priming and varnishing, I never changed even though the paints, primers, varnishes, and model material certainly have. Given Vallejo, GW, Army Painter et al all sell primers and varnishes, it's certainly not in their interest to disabuse customers of that habit. Thus, we still prime and varnish whether it's needed or not. And I intend to keep doing it!

@SugarCandyMiniatures 3 года назад

So validating for someone who doesn't normally varnish to see that those little buddies were ok

@chaoscultist5679 3 года назад

You dont have to varnish but priming definitely makes a difference with how brushed on paint sticks to a mini. Not so much airbrush, that makes the paint stick to the mini better.

@SugarCandyMiniatures 3 года назад

@@chaoscultist5679 yep I do prime. Zenithal helps to see the details anyway

@rogthepirate4593 2 года назад

I have never had any noteworthy issues at all with basecoat-only, be it brush-on or airbrushed. It's true that a brush-on basecoat is a little less sturdy and may rub off on raised edges if you touch it too much, but if you use a painting handle (you should), it's a non-issue. I've been painting minis (both GW plastics and my own resin prints) for about 4 years now, and have never - not once - used primer. After varnishing, I haven't had any problems with paint rubbing off my models (and even without varnish there seems to be very little of that, if at all). No scratches either. I firmly believe that priming is a holdover from the days of pewter models, where it absolutely made sense because acrylics really don't stick well to metal surfaces on their own. But for resin and plastic models? There is really no need whatsoever to prime.

@magnum696 3 года назад

Thanks for this awsome video on experimentation. You made the comment in the video that there are many different types of paints out there which could lead to different effects. Interestingly, Vallejo's description of the Game Color range indicates the following, 'The formulation of these colors has been developed signed taking into account that some of these figures are used in tabletop games, so that Game Color is manufactured with a revolutionary new resin which offers extraordinary resistance to the damage caused by frequent handling.' It is possible this gave the unvarnished models you painted added durability which is really interesting to note. Personally, when using Vallejo Model Color, I've had to varnish my miniatures as the paint is not as durable. Especially on metal/pewter where I've had the paint rub right off as you show in your video.

@dinonut80 2 года назад

I really appreciate all the time and effort you put into testing this stuff that I often wonder about but don't have practical means to thoroughly test. Your positivity is contagious and inspiring. Keep up the great work!

@eBayMiniatureRescues 3 года назад

Those were some nice whippys!

@dork.knight 2 года назад

Thank you goober and goblins for your commitment to hobby tchotchke science.

@deang8017 3 года назад

This is good science. Sometimes you have a hypothesis that just isn't born out by the data and the only way to learn that is to do the experiment and see what happens. Even though the result was basically "none of these things have a discernible impact" Im glad you still posted the video.

@EricsHobbyWorkshop 3 года назад

What a fun video. Impossible to not smile through the stress testing parts

@graysonknight202 3 года назад

I absolutely love the look of joy on your face as you are tossing around these minis

@mjpete27 3 года назад

It is funny as a professional painter I have always primed my surfaces as the paint will adhere better in the long run as well as application troubles are lessened. I enjoyed your process but I will always prime when I do start painting my mini's. I have had troubles when painting "dodgy" surfaces and using gesso on surfaces to get better paint adhesion. I am glad to know that it does not seem to matter with little plastic models, but I will still prime and coat my work. Thanks Brent another sweet video!

@fullcirclenerd1774 3 года назад

Lots of questions answered, thank you!! I really enjoy these test videos!

@WizardOfDC 3 года назад

Ok I am jealous of how much fun you looked like you were having doing the drops and shakes! Nice testing and sharing your findings with us.

@jmormaple Год назад

Thanks especially for the final test with paintbrush on unprimed plastic. I don't have an airbrush so knowing for sure my type of painting reacts in this way is helpful. There was a model I had recently where I wasn't sure how good my priming coverage was and noticed having a really hard time getting paint to stick to certain recessed parts of the model where I think there was basically no primer, and suspected this was the reason.

@LukeBerry1 2 года назад

Thank goodness for you Brent! Exactly the answer I was looking for.

@jfdagenais1519 3 года назад

I love your experiential videos! Thank you for this opportunity to learn ...

@mekpriestchris8746 3 года назад

Thing about this primary test is that it only displays that very light plastic models don’t loose that much paint when impacting another plastic surface and then settling. That really isn’t the failure case for paint in a lot of cases, think about the amount of paint you loose on a car when you reverse into a post vs when you scrape along a wall. Most paint on minis is stripped either chemically by oils, or by the friction of being dragged across rough terrain or packing foam. The days of paint just falling off models when touched is pretty exclusive to resin and metal, not plastic. Still a fun test. And amusing footage. Really amazed at the low damage to the minis themselves. Also priming plastic has the advantage of allowing you to paint with very thin paint straight away without it pooling up.

@laulau7354 3 года назад

This is exactly the video I was desperately in need of today! Thanks :)

@sshim950 3 года назад

Thanks for testing and sharing your results! Pretty interesting.

@johnkelley9877 3 года назад

Great tutorial with a lot of good information! Thanks for sharing this.

@johnnyboy7534 3 года назад

Your videos always make me so happy. Thank you Brent. :)

@JJwalkers12 3 года назад

Enjoyed the video, Brent! Though I feel the results are more a testament to how good base coating with an airbrush is rather than how "not that bad" not priming is. I definitely remember painting minis unprimed and having the paintjob rub off like that even as much as weeks later. I would recommend looking into the chemical differences between primer and the Game Air paint that you undercoated with! Could make for an interesting video!

@stevensmith909 3 года назад

Paint technology has come a very long way since I started in the 80s. I was surprised how well the paint covered that grot. That being said, I always prime and varnish my models. Oils from handling and foam carriers, dropping them etc all take its toll. It’s worth it to me to protect my models over time. Also I like the way the matte varnish darkens my paints slightly adding a depth of color.

@minimishapsgames894 3 года назад

Very creative way of simulating months or years of being loved to and from the tabletop. Thanks for the video!

@Heath86 3 года назад

I believe the key is that most painters do not wait twenty fours after priming or base coating to start painting

@astronomicafilms 3 года назад

Some of my miniatures were primed 20 years ago and still haven’t been painted.

@Ricksteady8 3 года назад

Yeah, you should wait AT LEAST 24 hours for primer to cure, ideally 3-5 days ( going off of my experience with rust-oleum rattle cans at least).

@Karina-Loves-Andreas 2 года назад

@@astronomicafilms 🤣🤣🤣

@DaveJoria Год назад

@@astronomicafilms absolutely; always wait 24 years between priming and painting.

@PossumMedic 2 года назад

For me the zenithal highlights are definitely worth the cost of priming! 🙌‍ As an armature only having to worry about keeping my layers thin and colours matching is a life saver! 😃

@Lefti4life 3 года назад

I guess I worry more about finger oils and grime when varnishing more than knock about scratches

@daniellane5224 3 года назад

In my experience basecoats, either primed or painted on, tend to stay intact on plastic models. It's as you put more and more layers on top of the basecoat where damage can occur. That's why I always varnish. Plus it evens out your paint jobs :)

@stinkyham9050 3 года назад

I did a comparison test years ago on priming. I used plastic spoons for test subjects. I scuffed a few, used primers, used paint without primer, painted over primers and let some dry for 24hrs and some only an hour. I then used Tamiya tape over them and did pull tests. After all that I determined the most durable combination - prime, wait for 24hrs, paint, gloss varnish, then mask or weather depending on what you want to do next and then final varnish layer. I pretty much just proved what I had always been told was the best way.

@dj1jesus375 3 года назад

Very interesting! It's a pitty that your comment kinda got lost in the shuffle of all these comments!

@JuanMartinez-qh4gy 3 года назад

What I liked the most is the nauhty face and the mixed feelings I experienced. It must be nice to do that after years of containment and care when manipulating minis... *"Break the dam! Release the river!!"* That said, I was also dying to take the box out of your hands, the shakes were more harmful to me than to the actual minis... Love your videos, I hope we get some more on the "hobby science" topic ;) Thanks!

@krusty1796 3 года назад

You definitely should put thus experimentation in a playlist. Thank for you dedication. :)

@trevorreid4082 3 года назад

You truly make me laugh my friend! Always informative and fun ... not just watching you do "stuff". Have a great day\holiday season.

@TheLastWhiteKid 3 года назад

Brent: "It seems that priming and varnishing your models isn't as important as-" Me: "HERESY DETECTED! FOR THE EMPEROR!"

@NatesMiniatures 3 года назад

I knew this day would come!

@lolaldanee2743 3 года назад

Oh boy, just the video I needed! Well, since somthing like 2 years ago, but I am still not really sure how usefull Primer and Varnish really is, I just do it, because everybody says I should. Thanks Brent!

@camerabox1 3 года назад

really happy youtube has been slapping me with WH content, got me back into painting my new crons

@JRobb84 3 года назад

5 seconds in and Brent makes a delightfully goober-y face at the misfortune of those poor grots 😂

@clon1122 3 года назад

Doing that to the grots reminds me of when I was a kid playing with my Heroscape minis

@KimKhan 3 года назад

Seeing this, I recall old, old advice I got from pops (an old air plane kit builder) when I first got into the hobby 15~ years ago, and using your fingers to rub off paint was an old way of creating highlights. And looking at that poor space goblin, yeah, that's eerily similar to using a Deck Tan drybrush.

@ChristopherElst 3 года назад

I love all your content, but your experiments are my favorite.

@chucklamb3496 3 года назад

I like the fact you are about the only one that uses Vallejo, I’m a subscriber!

@miniaturecollector7345 3 года назад

Please do a similar video for metal and resin minis. Specially metal.

@lv100Alice 3 года назад

brendt no! halloween is long gone enough with the horror show. scratched minis are spooky enough

@psibitful2 3 года назад

Priming has a favorable effect on washes applied afterwards.

@rogthepirate4593 2 года назад

I've found that the varnish used before the wash has MUCH more of an effect on washes. Why would primers affect them at all? They're hidden under multiple layers of paint.

@psibitful2 2 года назад

@@rogthepirate4593 Washes can be applied directly over a primer coat. That's the situation I was considering. ie applying a wash over bare plastic is unlikely to get a desirable result or look.

@rogthepirate4593 2 года назад

@@psibitful2 Ohh. Yeah, with that I can definitely agree.

@adamholt5395 3 года назад

Excellent experiment! The other thing to note is if you use a glossy primer paint will be harder to stick. I accidently bought some white gloss primer and it took several coats of paint before it would stick and not scratch off.

@danielletdg8423 3 года назад

Awesome video, I hope your arms are okay after that workout. As a note from someone who has carried minis incorrectly, it's usually rubbing against other minis (other color transfer), and the oils from your hands (reduced color payoff or flaking) that I've noticed. Keep up the great work!

@YanniCooper 3 года назад

It's been my experience that (for plastic models at least) the primary need for varnish is to keep the oils in your fingers from damaging your paint job. The secondary use for varnish is to reduce glossiness (or increase it w/ a gloss varnish). Especially if you use paints from different lines, some are glossier than others and often I'll want an even level of matte/silk sheen, with maybe some choice bits highlighted in glossy varnish (guts, lenses, etc). Also, if a model still has any mold release agent on it, an airbrush/rattle can prime will often stick in ways that paint on basecoat won't. Finally, if you've been playing with your models for a while before you start painting them, there's likely some oil on the minis that will make the paint have a harder time sticking... Giving your unpainted models a wash in warm soapy water can really help when you finally get around to painting them after you've been playing with them for a couple years.

@MrPug-dt4sd 3 года назад

Those old 2nd edition grots hold up so well compared to some models, and thats sad seeing as it's because a lot of other ork kits are old.

@emilydowd-arrow3751 3 года назад

Okay, this was very cool but not surprising given the type of damage used in the test (loved watching your face though!!!). My question: what about rubbing, and oils from fingers deteriorating paint over time? Coming from the art world, I was taught to prime and later spray seal my canvas not because it would guard against major damage like this but because it would guard against handling. The oils on human skin break down paint.

@s.w.4409 3 года назад

That intro looks like a very interesting cooking show.

@jherazob 3 года назад

Brent's fungal salad

@MalcolmPugh Год назад

I love this video. As a guitar player that has "PISS HANDS", my guitar strings corrode faster, so when painting models, I have to be sure not to touch them very often or else I will for sure peel paint off revealing the primer. I would imagine that sweat and oils in the hands are what would cause a mini to get scuffed easier. Especially for the gamers with Piss Hands. Would love to see a touch test.

@shay4232 3 года назад

i would trust this man when it comes to advertising good stuff.

@deadswordsman 3 года назад

I think what really helped is that the paint was applied in thin coat with airbrush. The thinner the layer the harder it is to crape off the paint. And you gave them full 24h to completely dry. I always primer my minis, but almost never varnish if I'm not doing oil paint washes.

@JakeDogg-RIP 3 года назад

Thanks gooby goob 🥰 great video, I’d been wondering about this, I mostly thought of primer as being an initial base coat so when painting everything has the same surface, not shiny bits near the gabs from glue etc etc and coz I normally prime black it gives that shadow in the deep recesses also

@Ganymede_the_great 3 года назад

nice one. It's been a couple of years for me to paint a mini, but in regards of priming i found it most important for metal models or when you got a mix of metal and plastic models and need consistend results with the same painting techniques. For the abuse test, it was a nice aproach but i think the most damageing sources for minis are harder materials (metal minis or stones) and the act of frequent touching as our hands come with chemicals and abreasive properties quite demanding.

@MsDakota7 3 года назад

the protective properties of the varnish is actually a secondary reason for me to use it. My primary reason is the more equal finish and sealing in grass. Priming for me also has the function of prepping the undertones so yeah even though the protective reasons aren't there, still plenty of reason to do it

@echodelta2426 3 года назад

Great test and review Brent. Very scientific :)

@lukemcdonladson6648 3 года назад

Ha-Har .. Yes I to did this experiment 20 years ago .. And found it very interesting .. I then started just washing my white metal pewter with black inks and painted the colour straight onto the model .. it was great for Orks as the metal colors were always so easy to do ... I then sealed them in a clear coat .. so much time saved doing the hoard 🖖😎💚

@kh4rn4k23 3 года назад

I love these science videos, they are always absolutely phenomenal

@Telleelle 3 года назад

nice test, and besides fingers removing paint before done painting, it also help paint stick. some paint on some plastic is simply rejected until some time where you keep fighting it on. after drying, finger "moist" can dissolve the paint over time. primer helps the paint still stick to the model but varnish is the protective layer here. I imagine that both can help protect the paint from cracking or melting when exposed to cold and heat and maybe also other factors from sunlight. usually paint faints away in sunlight, especially red.

@RerollingOnes 3 года назад

This is a love letter to the durability or Vallejo paints is what it is! I had paint chip off the model last night during the wash step using Citadel paints. If I can remove it with a paint brush, my fingers will take it off for certain. For me, I will continue to prime and varnish.

@basementdwellR 3 года назад

😄 Made me chuckle. Awesome stuff.

@TylerProvick 3 года назад

Love the whipy stick, love that you also call it a whipy stick.

@lukehawksbee 3 года назад

Things you might consider testing in future: • Heat (not just high temperature necessarily but also rapid transition from cold to hot and hot to cold: I know for instance that one of the things considered to warp guitars most frequently is storing them in a place that gets hot and then cold again, like on an external wall above a radiator or whatever) • Abrasive surfaces (you could put some sandpaper in the box and shake them or something) • Grease/oil/etc • Water/humidity/etc • Any other dirt/grime/solvents/etc that they might commonly come into contact with, like sugary or salty residue from fingers, etc.

@lukehawksbee 3 года назад

Plus of course minis made from different materials: • Resin • Different plastic(s) • Metal(s)

@tando6266 3 года назад

Would have been nice to put some in a tumbler with foam. We put our models in there because its soft, but its also abrasive, and the vibrations of travel will rub off your paint over years.

@Artemis.97 3 года назад

That was a fun and informative video! I think we'll stick to priming and varnishing things, just to be safe.

@tpdbuilder 3 года назад

This was interesting, I’m a newbie in this hobby and I wanted tips. I haven’t painted a single mini yet but I’m exited to do so. I love your channel and the tips you provide. Thank you. Also i have a video idea: I think it would be a funny video if you just talked about your cats for 10 min. I love your cats presence in your videos and it would be fun to learn more about them.

@eviltwinmason3239 3 года назад

Brent, so glad you had that last step with the brush painting. My gut says that aerosolized paints just have better adhesion, especially given the time to cure like you did. I do wonder what the result would be with the brush painting giving them more time to cure.

@MrStatistx 3 года назад

I have to say I often don't use varnish, except when I need the matte to pull it all together, the gloss to gloss something up like blood or sometimes, very rarely to have a savepoint in between, but then I also don't play with the minis, but I always prime, even if for the zenithal. Also it sometimes help with minor building issues, like some very small gaps or rough flash removal.

@ArtJeremiah 3 года назад

Love this little experiment. This does make me wonder if you could rub off paint to get faster edge highlights somehow.

@mrfungaltoe 3 года назад

Always interesting content!

@jamesbruce1975 3 года назад

I dont always have a problem with scratches or dropping models, what I dont find most common is rubbing off paint when handling. Maybe it's the oils, sweat, or micro texture of your finger prints that do the real damage. (As Midwinter Minis tried when testing black) Would be an interesting test.

@davidcauley9400 3 года назад

Yep, reflects my experience too, excellent science Sir! What will blow some minds is that as far as I can see GW primer sprays aren't anything but normal paint, nothing about them is specifically for priming despite the label, they are just spray acrylics. They don't surface etch or have any specific priming qualities.. Effectively you are just giving your minis a base coat.

@teagancombest6049 3 года назад

Except an aerosol spray DOES have special adhesion proerties over a thick layer of brushed on paint.

@davidcauley9400 3 года назад

@@teagancombest6049 That still isn't the same as a spray primer. That's just spray paint.

@rodneyr5266 3 года назад

Some techniques like wet blending or even dry brushing are easier or better done with a primed surface. If the bottom layers of paint aren't properly stuck, then the brush work will pull them right off

@shaung75 3 года назад

Do you think the smaller particle and thinner coats of the airbrush had something to do with it though? Be interesting to see the results of brush painted as well

@johncware66 3 года назад

Yes!

@rogthepirate4593 2 года назад

I am one of those heretics that never primed even a single of their minis. By now I also use an airbrush for my basecoat, which does help a bit, but even if you just brush it on, it holds decently unless you keep touching the model while painting (in that case, it does tend to rub off a bit on raised edges if you're not careful, but that's why I use a painting handle. May also depend on the paint used though, in my brush-on days all I had was ArmyPainter, while currently I mainly use ProAcryl). Once you finish painting and seal the model, I haven't had even the slightest issues with paint loss over countless play sessions with players that will consistently ignore my rule to only touch minis at the base.

@critiquegeek7987 3 года назад

Amazing work. For science!!

@rainers8853 2 года назад

4:04 the bartender begins shaking your cocktail. Suddenly a time warp loop traps him in a ever increasingly fast loop until he shakes your drink faster than the speed of light

@AzraelThanatos 3 года назад

The primer is more for metal minis...and some of the resin minis. Some plastics kind of need the primer more than others, often when using some of the other plastics from various toys in bringing it into a project. I tend to prime after part of my basing, using the primer to also seal in the glues and other things there for a more consistent painting.

@naturephotographyworkshop7696 3 года назад

I did not know that. Amazing!!!

@thegamersmanifesto3671 3 года назад

Great experiment! I enjoy painting, so if some chips off... I'll enjoy touching up or repainting that model. I enjoy playing, so I don't want to agonize over my models and be scared to put them on the table. I do magnetise for transport and rattle can prime, I've found Rustoleum really good. I've had fails with other brands though, where it would have been better to not prime at all.