TESTED: Starling Cycles Murmur 29 review - Flow Mountain Bike 

It's a properly burly bike - not like a steel hardtail where compliance is designed in through flex the same way, this can use oversized tubes to damp vibrations but stay really stiff and let the suspension do the work.

Cheers! Mount Narrabeen, Sydney.

ThunderStruckCoach You‘d be surprised by how much steel bikes get adored by the „youngsters“ old man.

Carbon is all the rage these days, break it and you aint gonna weld it. I broke a Surly Steamroller after 10 years of use on the chainstay, had it welded professionally, one less frame in the landfill!

Imagine if that was a carbon frame, there would be bits of it all over the trail.

Well he's saying he gets the steel feeling when the suspension bottoms out. I do ''feel'' better on steel hybrid/cyclo cross bikes'. Hmm... I was going to say ''fatigue strength'' as steel is certainly a LOT better than aluminium. Apparently carbon doesn't really have a fatigue limit per ce so '' kind of'' limitless. However apparently high loads on a small area, and as such impact damage, ease of maintenance and perhaps even transport seems to be an issue as well as quality control avoiding trapped air ect in fabrication, let alone big crashes. Anyway your comment led me to a few things there including this www.google.com/amp/s/cyclingtips.com/2015/08/what-is-the-lifespan-of-a-carbon-frame/amp/ Also.... For day to day use as I don't race I just like a little more weight I feel more planted and safer so I get stronger. Soooo I guess it be interesting to have a LOT of thick/dense carbon as a heavy duty day to day for carrying lots of stuff and hauling trailers ect but steel it time tested I have bikes 30-60 years old in all kinds of conditions.

Lmao clearly you know absolutely nothing about bikes or mechanics. In a car suspension, you can feel the difference in the road even after changing suspension bushings. Yes suspension absorbs the impact but the force still causes the entires car to jolt up. Therefore, how the force is translated through the bushing to the car body is “felt” through the bushing. Its a dampening effect. On a bike frame, its the same thing. The frame can absorb a lot of the smaller vibrations, like going down a gravel road. Ride one before you yap about something you know nothing about. And if you can’t tell the difference between an aluminum, carbon or steel frame then you’re not good enough to be riding these bikes.

@@vee6411 Do most of your riding on gravel do ya? LMAO, where to even start with you. A) how triggered are you? B) read what I wrote, not the imaginary straw man in your head. @4:30 he clearly says the frame absorbs "a lot of the impact". That's vertical deformation my man, not vibration damping. But I'm glad to see marketing spin works on fanboys like you.

​@@leifcian4288 All good points, and I agree steel is a nice material for a bicycle frame, although quite heavy in a mtb bike application. As Dave Turner and others have said many times, you can build an equivalently strong frame out of steel, alu, or carbon, it's just a matter of weight and expense. Alu can be drawn to gauges that will outlast thinner steel. My point was ENTIRELY about using vertical deformation of steel as a form of suspension in a full-suspension mtb bike, which is a ridiculous idea.

@@alexshaykevich509 lol old comment. Yeah like I say I like a bit of heft to me bikes, you don't go down the gym to say "oh look how light my new dumbbells are". So long as I can lift it up and OVER something that's fine as I'm not racing anyone and am not too interested in doing big jumps or whatever. Being able to barrel down some rougher trails a bit more comfortably though is appealing. It's the equivalent strength for its intended use but not for all the other stuff that goes with owning and maintaining a bike. I'd definitely like to own something like this.