I'm telling you Mr. Stanley, almost everytime I start smoking a cannabis cigar I stumble across one of your videos. And after doing some much needed weedwacking today (no pun intended) I thoroughly enjoy your content. Thank you sir 🤙🏾
@@lpdirv Okay your a democrat using words like "stinky'" and "loud" guess what genius they said the same thing about electric cars till regular people starting buying them and realized the hidden truth that it takes the same power to charge an electric car as it does 30 refrigerators and considering most states can't keep the power on now to the drain on the grid only a complete idiot would think this is a good idea or a democrat who lives in clown world and never does manual labor.
Very impressive. I’d like to see a real-world side-by-side long-term comparison done by a commercial lawn service using one of these and a comparable stander mower. Keep track of all costs to run it and also get input from the operator on how it differs from its gasoline engined counterpart. That would lay everything out in black and white for all to see. I’ve got to say, though - I definitely like what I’ve seen in this video. Thanks, Stan!
I used to work at a Toro dealer before I went full time in lawn care. Our Toro rep brought one of these mowers down for us to see. He had a spreadsheet with pricing broke down with gas (I think at $3.25/gallon). After belts, oil, hydro services, etc… an average/full time commercial guy would pay this machine off in 6-7 years. They expect a 10 year battery life, so with gas considerably higher than $3.25 for the foreseeable future, it would probably be paid off in 4-5 years.
This machine is too rich for my blood Stanley but I always enjoy your mowing content just the same. You definitely put these machines to the test that's for sure. Hope you and your family have a great weekend my friend.
Been waiting to see the Revolution on your demo list. I think it is a fine machine and you have demonstrated that, but I'm not spending 30k on a mower.
Cool machine, the thing I liked about the video is that when you test a machine, you “test “ a machine. Love your honesty ! I wish all companies would go through the Dirt Monkey test. Great job Stan , Thank you.
I will admit this seems like the best battery powered mower I have seen from anyone. It is the only one I have seen that makes sense to use commercially. The run time is good, power is good, but I just don't see how the price is justified. I have a 42" Hustler commercial mower from 2004 and I bought it 2nd hand like 10 years ago. It still runs to this day as good as it did when I got it and I am the 2nd owner. I also never buy new mowers, you can find good used commercial mowers all over the place for 2 to $3000 that have years of life left on them. I could buy 6 good used commercial mowers for the price of 1 of those units.
Id like to see a sxs demo of the decibels of how noisy the electric one is compared to a comparable gas mower while mowing. People think the noise pollution comes from the engine when allot of the noise comes from the blades spinning.
I think that did a great job, but it shoukd for that price. I think the battery would run even longer on regular grass. Thanks for showing us that it is impressive.😊🙏
I got about 8 minutes into this before I realized that you were talking about a professional grade mower that is never most likely going too be in my price range but it sure is a nice one. Sometimes I like your content but it seems like it is geared more for the professional rather then the do it your self type.
@@PurpleNovember Also worth mentioning is how commercial equipment holds its value far better as well, especially when it is used by a weekend operator or residential use rather than full time with employees.
The price is very steep for a mower, you could almost buy an older diesel tractor and a bushhog for that price. Not saying you can use it on a yard but if your in the right area you’d be much better off running a hogging business as to a mowing business for the input cost of 30k. Also, theres 2 other issues I see aside from price. 1 is taking the chance that you can’t do your own repairs on a mower with the electric technology, and 2. The people who are telling us to go electric are the same people telling us to watch our AC temperatures at home to conserve electricity. It just is a hard bargain for me to buy into the electric world because there’s no true consistency yet. I’d love to hear your input on these statements because I don’t think you covered any in your video. At least not yet. God bless you Stan, and keep up the videos!
Great video and awesome mower. I just don’t think the tech is where it needs to be yet. Clearly it’s very capable, but to me where it’s lacking is being affordable to the common man. I paid $28,000 cash for my truck and have a $5,000 lawn mower. To replace both of those with battery models would run me over $100k. Gas prices are high, but electricity prices are scary high. We just aren’t ready to make the jump yet. I understand this is a commercial unit, so it’s no surprise it’s that expensive.
That is the thing, it is a commercial unit, so not for the average Joe. I just don't see why the average Joe would need this much running time and power for lawn maintenance and battery powered equipement prices nowadays are all based on running time. I am pretty sure there are better suited options for the average Joe out there.
Whew, 30K, Thatsa spicy meatsaball! So far I'm loving my EGO but That's a BIG leap.But they will sell in CA. I'm sure. You always have the BEST content Stanley, Thank you and God Bless you and your family.
Besides not willing to pay car prices for mowers, I REALLY don't want to press 76 buttons every time I want to mow or resume mowing. EGO has won the get-the-product-to-market race and affordability to date. For now, I'll stick with my ExMark. 👌
Holy cow 🐄 😳.What a crop of grass.Well,it looks like you could mow the ditches from Woodbury to Hudson and still have lots of life 😳 in those batteries. Times are changing.One of these days(or years) a battery mower will be all you will be able to buy!! That was one mean electric fencer you were playing with. Careful you don't pee on the wire!! Thanks 😊 😊 😊.
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The nice thing about a belt driven deck is that it prevents any damage to the engine. I just wonder the cost and durability if you hit something hard enough considering each blade is connected directly to a motor.
Replacement concerns aside, the way an electric motor is spun, hitting something solid would not be as severe as say an equivalent engine would be. Mainly being, in a gas powered engine, from the pistons to the cam shaft to the power output to the belt driver, everything is connected (we're assuming no belts, direct connection 100%). In that scenario you hit something, you immediately transfer that force through a large portion of the system, possibly break something and/or bog it down that it stops running. Electric motors have a point of disconnect which make them like a belt driven system. At some stage the power stops transferring through if a blade hits something. Your durability issue is going to be in the quality of the blades and the bearings they are spun in. The motor itself will see very little stress as they are designed to immediately cut out once that momentum is sufficiently stalled, and that "immediately" with the computer is faster than we could ever manually cut out the motor.
I switched all of my OPE from STIHL gas to Makita’s 36 volt line a couple of years ago and the swap saved my company thousands of dollars a year in gas alone. Plus the savings in decreased maintenance and no down time. I would like to support Toro’s electric line since I am in northern Minnesota, but I still think that Gravely’s battery system has it beet. Being able to swap batteries on the go seems like it would help for longer run time, and they are obviously easier to replace when they get old. I also rarely have a full 12 hours over night during the summer to charge the toro. That’s just my thought though. I can’t wait to see how your Toro holds up over time.
Having worked with mowers for the last 15 years doing golf courses, selling, working on and using all kinds I promise you that Toro has much better quality. Maybe they will do better with battery stuff than gas engine stuff. who knows?
sounds like you understand the switch and save from gas to battery. Toro is ahead of the game with this battery mower. Its unreal. I recomend testing one for yourself.
So you run this thing 14hr/week, it'll match the cost of a $13k gas stand-on in just two years. Then you start saving $8k/year after that. And the batteries will maintain full capacity for 1,000 recharges, which means 7,000hrs, or 10 years at the 700hr/year example. That doesn't mean it stops working either. You can then run it for another 10 years as it drops to 80% capacity. But we're only running it for 2-4 hours a day in this example anyways. It sounds like if you have the jobs to keep it running 14+ hours a week, it's money in the bank, PLUS it's quiet, and free of the headaches that come with gas. Dude, I'm sold. Great review Stan!
Very few, if any lawn care professionals can afford a zero turn that costs this much. And few will buy it. Electric not always the answer. Good video Stan.
@@tomlorenzen4062 but you rarely put 7 hours of run time in a single day on your mower. Plus this is their first year of this mower. Give it a couple of years and the battery may last 8 or 9 hours of run time in a day.
That's impressive, I was expecting it to be a review of a new petrol version when I saw the thumbnail. You were right about the run time as that is the first thing I was thinking too, the 30% usage from all that is excellent. However, I think this type of electric machine might be a bit of a niche thing at the moment, one thing being the expense of the units themselves and the other being a cheap and efficient means to keep them charged up. For me that would be say a yard with a storage unit on it big enough to cover with enough solar panels, this way I could always have batteries on charge for all my electric equipment at no additional cost, it would quickly start paying for itself that way considering the cost of fuel and energy at the moment which I think may deter some people from wanting to start switching to electric, as they would then be paying a fortune in both fuel and electricity as well as the cost of replacing their gasoline powered equipment. What do you think? I really do love the look of this thing though, I liked your videos on the Ego electric mower but to me that simply does not look solidly built enough for tough jobs like industrial sites and whatnot where there can be nasty hidden debris and sinkholes, whereas this certainly does, every bit as hardy the petrol Hustler we have.
I think this is a great point and my first thought was "can I have a hybrid version with an all electric deck but then have the deck swappable to a tradional deck?" as that would dramatically increase the value of the platform which is wholly reliant on batteries for power and reliability.
This thing is a beast! if it did 4 hours of this stuff with about 30% battery, It surely can run all day on a commercial use of regular cutting. Even more considering that it will be turned off during transport between customers. To help justify the price though, i would like to see some options tu use the thing in winter to have it paying for itself all year round. I just don't know how the battery would perform in the cold.
That thing kicks butt! I’d be curious what the hour meter said at the time you estimated your run time. It seemed to never bog down! That’s impressive. Thanks for the long video!
I dont know. $30k for some metal with electronics mounted to it. Parts availability for it? Gas powered, most anything on it you can field repair if need be. It has its pros and cons.
I think especially with commercial mowing, the biggest issue I can think of is damage. You whack a blade on a gas zero and it hits hard enough, you mess up a spindle. No big deal, replace the spindle and get back to mowing. What happens when you whack something with an electric zero? Definitely not just throwing a spindle at it. It could easily lead to a bad blade motor which can get pricey quick I'm sure.
30k and no Tweels either... Makes sense if gas keeps going up and cost of maintenance on the gas machines keep skyrocketing, but hopefully by that time self mowing applications are preset for these situations.
It might be getting there but I don't think it's there quite there yet for commercial work if there's only enough charge for one day worth of work then if someone forgets to plug it in overnight then you're down an entire day of mowing pretty much I think for commercial work it needs to last you at least a day and a half to two full work days worth of charge so at least you could work a half day if someone forgot to plug it in
Nice video! Impressive machine. We’re watching these units very closely. Requested a demo from our local dealer whenever they make it north of the border. With gas prices at here floating around $2.0 /litre, the steep start up price for battery powered equipment is suddenly a lot more reasonable
@@Dirtmonkey definitely, my crew alone is running $700+ a week on gas and we’re just one of 20 crews. The municipal mowing guys are really drinking it.
@@ScruffMoney it would take a LONG time to recoup the $32k that it costs. Then after 8 years when you need a new $5k battery, the gas mower is still going. They must be high. Or they're hoping big companies will buy them, and pay off the R&D costs, then bring down the price. Or maybe you were eligible for a $12k subsidy. LOL.
@@littlejackalo5326 It’d take about 3.5 years to break even at our usage rate. But with the minimal maintainable parts on the Revolution compared to a gas powered machine, I suspect it has potential to outlast the gas powered machine. I wish we could get 8 years out of our stand-ons lol we’d be well beyond engine replacement at that point and the cost of repair would be well past worth keeping.
It looks like the average owner could get about 15-18 hrs per charge. If you are mowing grass that’s 3-4 inches. Depending on region, the average person is mowing 36 days out of the year. (Once a week) at maybe 3 hrs per mowing. It looks like you mowed about 3 acres if you count all the passes you did with the mower in the tall stuff. That ends up being a very interesting alternative to a regular gas powered mower. The operator not having to deal with breathing in the emissions for that time period has to be worth some consideration. Some folks are fanatical about their lawns and property etc. And it shows when they are, it looks like the masters at Augusta. $30k to make something your passionate about a better experience to me is worth it, when you consider the form factor and storage etc. Great food for thought as always!!
Tacoma $6,000, Trailer $1500, Mower $6500, Trimmer $700, blower $500, edger $450, chainsaw $250, Hedge trimmer $150, misc tools $300, so for around $16,000 I could have a complete commercial business with $14,000 for lawn mower fuel....or buy one mower and nothing else....yeah okay
Tacoma $6,000, Trailer $1500, Mower $6500, Trimmer $700, blower $500, edger $450, chainsaw $250, Hedge trimmer $150, misc tools $300, so for around $16,000 I could have a complete commercial business with $14,000 for lawn mower fuel....or buy one mower and nothing else....yeah okay
For 6,500.00 you're buying a lowe end zero turn or an older one with lots of hours in the engine and mower itself. You cannot even get a new 52" standon mower for under 9,500.00 to 10,500.00.
cool mower we are in the market for a stand on mower we might go with the 60 inch cub cadet and my bday is coming up but great video and keep up the good work.
Can you test and compare different models of Kavli mower blades to normal blades? They're more heavy duty than most blades and have a finger on the end of the blade to catch the grass that lays over instead of being cut. Thanks!
Hey Stan, I work for a Parks and Rec Department and we’ve been demo-ing electric mowers recently. The MeanGreen we tested was quite poor and very expensive. Very heavy, 8 hour run time (that varied), way too responsive (almost to the point where it was unsafe), and we couldn’t use it on wet/dry slopes as it was unsafe for the above reasons. Have you run a MeanGreen machine before? And if so, how would you compare it to the Toro? Much appreciated.
I only use 1 bar on a Stihl push mower for our lawn but if I had acreage to mow that one would do the job. You would think that anyone that works residential landscaping would get as much work as they wanted with a mower that quiet also?
The EGO battery mower looked like it cut much better than this one , which would you choose Stan , remembering that nobody is going to cut grass like this , Regards Davy 🏴
The one thing I don't see on the spec sheet so far is how it would do with all of the attachments which are compatible with the Grandstand. Based on what you said about the battery life, it looks like the best way to save landscapers money over the long haul. I think with the Z Master, Grandstand, and HD21 push mower, someone may have a good chance to pick up customers that are noise sensitive.
Stan I'm used to washing off the debris on my mowers. It helps mitigate transfer of fungus, insects and other diseases. How do you wash an electrical unit when they tell you to be careful of keeping it out of moisture?
Green is the way to go. I know the mower is pricey but I also know of contracts in my area willing to pay up to 30% more just to say they are using "green" contractors.
Stan....not my business....but might I suggest in leasing out pasture or hay ground in exchange for fence repair or replace for a period of time then $ per year after a period of time or barter..
Hey Stan- another great video. I was thinking a drone shot of the farm before and after mighta been cool and given a different perspective of the area you cut.
Definitely better than that EGO it seems. Toro makes a great product, but them blades need some love after you got ahold of it Stanley . Yikes!! You were laying more grass down then actually cutting
How do they hold up over the winters if they are not stored in a heated garage? Electric cars have thermally managed batteries to keep them at optimal temperatures when stored and plugged in.
One thing nobody ever thinks about is how long do you really want the machine to last. Right now everyone is replacing their mowers around 1500 hours when the cost of a new one vs repair makes sense. I talk about this with STIHL vs Echo weed whips. The STIHL is heavy duty and harder to use because it is more heavy duty and the engine will last longer then an Echo. But how long before the shaft has a bend the plastic housing is cracked and you just want a new weed whip. Chances are the Echo and STIHL will last the same amount of time and the Echo will be cheaper and easier to use in that amount of time.
Ehh depends who you're asking. My dad's exmark has 2,000 hours and only repair is belts and a pulley. Weed wackers fs 131r stihl and going on 5 years of heavy usage. Taking care of 100 lawns a week. It really depends on how hard the guys beat up the equipment
Stan how much is the wiring harness on that thing? Because that will be the thing that gets damaged most that and the deck motors. The wiring harness for my scar v ride with a kolar was $850 and that was for a mower with little to no electrical. Thank goodness it was warrentied but it went bad within th first year on a efi engine
I’m not sure how they are coming up after two and half years it’s comes ups even? I have a toro and the only thing I have done with mine in going on 6 years is one belt and oil change once a year. Gas is what I’d calculate mostly. I can mow around 25 yards a day and spend around 50 to 60 dollars a week in gas mowing that many yards in 5 days. I can spend a ton on gas to make up for the extra 20 thousand extra it cost for this mower. Or better yet buy two mowers for the price of this one and be mowing 50 yards a day compared to one of these mowers. I also kinda look at these like drones right now. If you buy this crazy high price mower the tech will be so old in just a few years because of better advancements. Basically at 60 a week in gas comes to 240 a month. Times that by 8 months of mowing comes to 1,920 a year. Say 2000 a year adding a oil change. That’s 10 years of gas before I get to the extra almost 20 thousand extra for this mower. Battery is definitely starting to get there but the price just doesn’t add up to me. Oh yeah add a little more for grease. Maybe you can explain in a different video how the came up with it breaking even in a few years? Thanks
Now that the boss has done everything that you would not expect a lawnmower to do…can we have one of Stan’s crew take this unit for a week and get actually feed back from a crew that does lawn maintenance full time..being electric is it hard to load on a trailer..do we need a stronger trailer..after a full day of running does the battery actually fully charge for nexts day running…you get the idea..
have you ever had an curse yard, i had one once no matter what or how many i checked the mower was down it always manage to lock up and not cut the yard every time
Showing my ignorance, when you cut that high and thickness of grass do you always cut over twice, in one direction and turn around to cut it to the height you want?
Good video. What does the machine weigh? Does the warranty cover the electronics and all the motors on it? 7 hour run time is a short day especially if you have a 12 hour charge time
7 hours of actual run time is a pretty good day actually. Most people don't run a mower for that long. they may work 12 plus hours but rarely are you on a mower that much. Its travel time, loading etc etc actual time on a mower is not as mush as people usually think.
Other than keeping wild animals from messing with the fence and helping errant stray children with emptying their bowels, why would you keep an electric fence operating when you have no livestock in the pasture?
Your problem with the mower is that you are trying to cut grass that really needs to be mulched. As you run over the grass, a lot of it springs back, meaning it’s too strong and versatile for the mower to properly cut. You’re not cutting it, you’re just knocking it down. On a lawn I’m sure it’s fine. But on the tall and resilient grass you were testing it on, it came a cropper. You need a mulcher or a bushhogger.
Price point would need to be in the 20k or under range for it to make sense for me. Especially since it’s a one trick pony. It’s A lot of money to spend on a new product line
My biggest concern is battery life. Sure it runs well new but as everybody knows the older it gets the faster the charge goes down. No one wants to pay 30k for a lawnmower and 2 years down the road it only last 5 hours instead of the 7 when new.
