tf2’s huntsman hit detection is magnetic 

@Rechinul 13 ok

The audio is fine. Thank you for providing us yet another technical video. Am going to implement this into my future training

Audio is fine, it's just that you pronounce "the" as "da" and "with" as "wiff."

I didn't fully understand your explanation regarding when the tele stuff happens. Before colliding with the player hurtboxes the arrow will always first collide with the collision box, no? How can there be a scenario where we hit the player hurtboxes but not the collision box, e.g. the scenario where we *dont* do the 16HU teleportation trick?

Peg

Great pfp

Honestly! I remember killing a clanmate from the top of the tower in our old cp_orange server while he was all the way at the back of his side of the map. It pinned his foot to the ground. The freakout was awesome, "HE SHOT ME WITH AN ARROW!", says the victim, every other clanmate forgetting their teams for a moment and losing their minds in awe at what seemed to be an amazing shot. Now I feel crushed! To know it was a near unmissable shot ruins the fun of that memory!

@@mustangwolf1997 Technically its not an unmissable shot; pipes and rockets use bounding boxes and those are hard to hit, and so a cross map huntsman is still quite the achievement. Imagine getting a direct pipe hit from across the map, that's pretty similar to what you did. (Plus, huntsman hitbox is smaller than pipes so it might be easier to hit a pipe than a huntsman). So I say, hats off to you!

I fucking KNEW IT

i know i used huntsman when i wanted my braincells to melt, but now i know why they melt

Especially scout

Lmao

he knew what we couldn't until today.

r/BeatMeToIt

@@hatandhoodie_ oh my god i'm gonna be on reddit? i'm famous??

they don't call it the lucksman for nothing...

"When you use the Huntsman, the gravitational pull of everyone's heads grows fivefold"

Just click, above the shoulders!

arrowll

@@king_james_official 'll, as in "arrow will"

bruh

it took me a minute to see what you mean . it does sorta look like a part of the bottom half of texas at a certain angle

“I’m so texan even my hitboxes are shaped like texas boy”

@nerfdartsarelethal I really wish I knew

It's sort of a stretch but yeah, the Engi's right side does appear somewhat like the southern border of Texas

This explains my immense headshotting skills against scouts literally inside my face while panicking

You monster

@@he3004 XDDDDDDDDDDDD

This video explains why headshots on scouts are impossible from behind for me.

@@Something_Disgusting because scout has gamer posture

Dont forget the wrap assassin

I guess you can say it's larger than it seems

I don't care what anyone says the Iron Bomber takes less skill to use then stock because of that exact bounding box issue; same as huntsman

@@sunbae-nim It doesn't it's just more consistent

At the bottom of this hole there is nothing but spaghetti

Yeah I noticed picking heavies off isn't easy with the thing, especially from a lower angle...

That’s why you need two or three snipes to fully charge bodyshot the one heavy at the same time Aka insane coordination

@@goofyahdemoman1134 you're confusing the huntsman with the rifles

looking straight up with a large weapon makes it almost impossible to get sniped for crit damage

Thats why huntmans just completly meat shot me and are an easy mow down

Same. I thought I was just bad, but that hitbox is tiny!

@@archmagemc3561 yes you're bad because the hitbox shouldn't be that big

And near infinite energy drinks

Okay, verified person that I don't know

He's got the 100 mil pewdiepie gaming chair

He studies the source code just to find the best way to headshot

monokuma i swear to god youre on every gidoe i watch

Just tell the enemy team toalways look down

@@bruschetta7711 well noone looks up in TF2 so they're already doing it, how kind of them

Try closing your eyes

Aim high

use the force !

I play a lot of huntsman sniper and the scout matchup feels reasonably balanced. You have to take into account the scout jumping all over the place, so they're also often above you.

@@Ivy_Panda And Huntsman has some severe downsides, so it should be good at close range

@@Ivy_Panda If you ever feel balanced while fighting scout, then it isn't. Because scout is supposed to f**k you up in close range.

Yeah, coming from any rifle where heavies *should* be easy to headshot, yet I just keep hitting that forearm of his.

As someone who has 200 hours on huntsman sniper I can confirm that

it is annoying but I don't think I can complain though, after all Heavy is usually unplayable whenever there is 2 or more snipers on the enemy team

normal sniper is supposed to be an anti-heavy weapon that dies to scouts it’s quite interesting to see that huntsman is the opposite; use it when there are like 5 scouts trying to kill you with a fish

@@TheOneWhoHasABadName You still die most of the time, but sometimes you luck out.

not the same height for all classes, aiming at the same height for heavy and scout will not result in the same

sus 😳😳😳😳😳

Idk iron is kinda sus rn

I guess you can call it the Crutchman instead

amogus

I'm already seeing more :( playing scout is a nightmare

You are correct

ive always played huntsman more as sniper, so nothing has changed

@@phoonwax I'm probly going to pick up huntsman if I go back

Now go play pyro and get some reflect arrow kills >:)

Imagine if the lore tried to justify Source Spaguetti, shit would be funny as hell

@@xilpes6254 "Scout's Wrap Assassin is equipped with ornaments, or baubles, as I'm sure you're aware. What you don't know, however, is that these baubles are cheaply made, and sometimes break upon impact from too much air resistance."

@@xilpes6254 I want more of this, honest to god. Let's go with... Trimping! Best I can do is the explanation MTA Demoman came up with: Got drunk and started decapitating people.

@@rickywalters7717 "Demoman's ability to climb and catapult himself results from the almost godlike intuitive skill of physics he acquires while very inebriated. Perhaps it is the eyelander giving him some knowledge too. Another thing worth mentioning is the shield: It doesn't physically give him the ability to charge or higher protective values; he just 'feels' like it does."

“The reason we have to be careful when crossing the road is because if you and a friend happen to be side by side when getting run over, you have a 50% chance of fusing. This has been solved by eating Australium and Invis-Watches, even Australia’s brightest minds are confuddled by this, even more so than the mysteries of stairs.” “Anyway Pyro, get to bed, Engineer’s not Engi-here yet, so night night”

Indubitably

i dont remember where exactly this is from but ive heard it before, i think in one of those mediashare stream things whatever they’re called

@@2BrosOfficialGaming It's a USAF satirical training video

bruh

@@QuantumLeclerc thank you

It'd be near impossible, since basically all projectiles, not just rockets and grenades, use bounding boxes for collisions because it's much more efficient. The only thing you could do with the huntsman easily is to just disable headshots entirely, which what the crossbow does. Besides, think of how hard it is to hit with syringes... Even those use the bounding box collision.

@smelly paws Yeah, but can you actually hit anything?

@smelly paws try it in an exhibition match or in the training mode

probably frustrating, or at least very unintuitive. projectiles don't have lag compensation like hitscan does, so even if you led your aim perfectly on a moving target, having high ping would cause it to miss.

There was some medieval mode in tf2 long ago where most classes could only use melee weapons, but the sniper kept his bow. I remember it was a lot harder to hit the shots, probably because the bounding box collision was disabled for that. So if you can find a way to play that mode you will see how it is

5:56

Scout: Ah crap.

@@Spartan375X by 45 NATO

ironic how the smaller the target is, the more likely you're getting a headshot.

BONK

Sniper: actually no give those back I need those

dude your joke sucks

Any shots actually into heavies head will be headshots. It does normal hitbox collision first, and then if you don't hit a normal hitbox it does the bounding box hitbox.

Hm

What TF2 team?

@@fourd8438 The plant Bethesda gave them for some E3 a couple or 5 years ago, I guess. :P

@smelly paws *loads huntsman arrow in the bow*

@smelly paws That's not even relevant to any of this. You've done what is effectively the equivalent of standing up in the middle of a meeting to announce that you have a foot fetish.

@smelly paws *loads Hale's Own Specialised Killstreak Festive Australium Rocket Launcher*

Truly

reddit

Really what it comes down to is that this is totally fine for most projectiles weapons(especially explosives, which are very imprecise), but for a weapon that does fatal crit damage on headshot it's very questionable.

I don't think the rotation is disabled on the collision hull for performance reasons, since hitboxes use rotation and there a lot more of them, if performance was an issue then it would apply to them too, the reason is probably because movement and collision with with walls/ground would be inconsistent. If collision hulls rotated with the player then if for example you where standing on a ledge and only one of the corners of your collision hull was touching the ground, then you could easily fall the moment you rotate your camera.

@@bemo_10 It is not something that is disabled. It is something that just isn't coded to begin with.

@@bemo_10 I think it's because collision detection just becomes easier when they're aligned with the axis specifically. Since normal hitboxes wouldn't be aligned with the axis anyway, having them rotate wouldn't decrease performance so much. And it would also make the game unplayable if they weren't

If I had to guess, the reason for the funky aligned hitbox is because the Huntsman arrow is basically using Soldier's rocket code just with no splash damage. If you're Soldier that's good with using Direct Hit, then Huntsman would just be a higher risk, higher rewards alternative (higher risk, since you don't get splash damage when you miss, higher rewards because you can get headshots for stupid damage).

PAIN

Ok a checkmark youtuber with no comments and few likes that was 7 months ago? Damn

the fabled tale was true all along...

LUCK'S A SKIOLL, M8

I prefer the "Khuntsman"

I rather call it the: Khuntsman Cuntsman “I will kill you with my arrow going through the entire enemy team just so it hits you for some reason” man

@@crittrsinnermonologue i fear no man but that thing (your pfp) it scares me

Yeah nobody comments on it but the near impossibility of headshotting from behind is equally jank

Ooo! A penny!

​@@Dat-Mudkip*Critical Hit Sfx*

And a few pixels higher for Heavy

Just use left handed view-models lamo. Let the game do that for you.

Especially on heavy

It certainly could be good without this: with something better instead of it.

Yes it is well chosen but it's a bit ridiculous. The solution they used was great but the execution is very poor

Even making the top 10% of the bounding box a headshot would be better than what we have now...

Respectfully piss off, it's an instant kill on all classes.

@@ekyanso4253 Ah yes. 135 damage can totally one-shot a Heavy. And a Medic. And an overhealed Scout.

at this point i'm starting to believe that valve is an italian company

Basically every tf2 class is Spaghettiman

@dr_counelis that is true, but spheghetti also refers to the code being a mess, still working but it's not well made

@@inedholp1565 it's actually pretty decently commented, laid out in a way that makes sense, and uses variable names that are, like, actual names in fact, these vids would probably be a lot more complicated to make if the code _was_ spaghetti, because ... y'know, shounic would have to untangle the code before reading it. kinda gets in the way of breaking down code and explaining it in layman's terms

@dr_counelis Yeah, it's not even spaghetti. It's doing exactly what it was meant to be doing. It would be spaghetti if it was poorly structured, messy, and hard to maintain. That could go for TF2's codebase as a whole, but the functionality of an arrow? hell no Gosh, the TF2 community pisses me off.

_Laughs in Dorya_

Dunno. I'm a Hanzo main on overwatch and the hurtboxes are very accurate to the player models. Not to mention there is a lot more sporadic movement in OW. It's a lot harder to hit headshots in that game than in TF2, but not impossible enough to be unviable.

Uh oh

That "somebody" will be me.

good

and then theres gonna be the huntsman sniper that presses his bind whenever he gets a kill with the huntsman

or better yet, remove the ability to headshot

@@overlord3481 you know what? Fuck everything, remove TF2.

​@@derdoctor1895 or even better yet, make the game 10x more fun than its present state by removing crits, nerfing headshot dmg on sniper, removing bullet spread, just to name a few.

@@overlord3481 yeah just remove all classes and replace them with stock mercs so its balanced.

@@derdoctor1895 yeah just continue to plead ignorance

Game advanced forward one frame to see if the arrow hit's any of the hitboxes. If it did, that's where it hit. If it didn't, then it does the thing of moving forward 16 units and hitting the closes hitbox. At least, that's what someone else said in this comment section.

@@daddysempaichan ??? Why are you repeating the video to me? I watched it. I promise you I watched the video.

No. The rotation of the player doesn't matter. The rotation of the map does lmao

@@oblivion_2852 the rotation of the player changes the nearest hitbox, which changes what will become.a headshot.

@@intensellylit4100 nope the rotation of the player has no impact on the rotation of the hitbox. The hitbox is an axis aligned bounding box which means it has no rotation.

Still relevant in this day

He was b4nny's editor

@@GhostofFarta yes

Why is that ?

I think it'd be fine if you hit their head hitbox, it seems like the bounding box thing only happens if you don't hit a player model hitbox, although I could be wrong

No, because that time it would actually be hitting the head hitbox. The bounding box correction is only for if the arrow misses the actual legitimate hitbox, so proper shots won't be cucked

no, if you ACTUALLY hit the player hitbox it will count as a headshot, this only applies to the bounding box. shounic already said that in the video

@@Arslan35 Thank you. And he indeed said it, a few seconds after my time stamp. X)

yes and no. if an arrow directly collides with a hitbox on the same frame it collides with the collision hull, it'll just use that hitbox also i'm pretty sure that the red boxes are a pretty loose approximation, anyway. because video games work with discrete units of time, objects don't really _move_ so much as they _teleport._ collision therefore is realizing that two objects have either teleported into one another or are about to do so, and fixing their position, speed, etc. appropriately. so, minute differences in how far away the sniper is from his target means the actual position at which the arrow hits the target is changed, even if there's no difference in the actual time of collision ... which means the position the game uses to determine the target's closest hitbox is also changed, and thus so may the closest hitbox if you've ever seen a game where you can run at a wall at high speeds and get stopped just fine, only to try it again and hit the wall _just_ right to suddenly fly right through it? usually it's because of the same principle, where your max speed is _just_ enough for your collision box to pass the wall's collision box in a single frame, but _only_ if the frame before you do so has the two boxes _almost_ but not quite touching. the source engine uses a lot of linetracing to help mitigate issues like that, and in fact that's how the arrow determines if it's hit a hitbox after hitting the collision hull, but ... linetracing only traces a straight line, and if an arrow snags the corner of a collision hull and there's no hitboxes within the arrow's trajectory ... yeah, you're gonna need to figure out a different solution

I don't think so, the regular hitscan hitboxes stay the same regardless of your disguise and the bounding boxes for projectiles are already the same for every class. I doubt it changes anything.

nope it doesnt, and it can also be used to avoid getting headshots when you desguise as a spy. this is why you see engineers ignoring hs and other small classes