That Pedal Show - Stereo vs Wet/Dry For Two-Amp Rigs: Which Would You Choose?

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In this video Daniel and Mick begin by discussing stereo reverbs and delays - they sound totally massive and wonderful if you have the environment to enjoy them to the full.
They then move on to discuss the benefits and drawbacks of a full stereo rig, talking about signal routing and stage practicalities, before moving on to a simpler approach to massive sounds: the Wet/Dry rig.
Here are some interesting bits and references from today’s vid…
• How do you use stereo effects pedals into two amps? 9:27
• How does Andy Timmons run his stereo effects? 10:20
Here's a link to a diagram to help explain a classic stereo effect in dual amp loop set up - i130.photobucket.com/albums/p2...
• How does Rabea Massaad set up his stereo effects, and what are the kinds of problems might you encounter when using effects loops / stereo pedals into two amps? 11:43
• Not all loops are equal… 14:35
• Why Dan prefers wet/dry instead of stereo, plus demos/sound examples from the wet/dry rig 15:44
• Loop / signal routing explanation for today’s wet/dry rig 18:45
Diagram for wet/dry rig - i130.photobucket.com/albums/p2...
The pedals we’re using today are…
• Fire Custom Shop Carpe Diem - no longer made
• Chasebliss Audio Warped Vinyl Vibrato/Chorus - now mk3
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2H7vIJ9
USA: bit.ly/3s7JnXX
Australia: bit.ly/2JxcATd
• Hamstead Soundworks Signature Analogue Tremolo
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2KZaIW2
Australia: bit.ly/2Yyn0dy
• Strymon TimeLine
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2fzulGD
USA: imp.i114863.net/xMbxO
Australia: bit.ly/2pSEFKm
• Neunaber Immerse - now mk2
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2QFbjkg
Australia: bit.ly/2UHqcVt
Mick is playing a Collings 290 DC S and a Gretsch Players Edition 6118T Anniversary.
Dan is playing a Fender Custom Shop ’63 Telecaster.
Amps are a Mallard 18-watt Marshall clone through a Marshall 2061cx 2x12 cabinet, and a reissue Fender Super Reverb with 4x10 Jensen alnico speakers.
As always, all pedal and amp switching and routing is handled by TheGigRig G2.
For more on TheGigRig see www.thegigrig.com
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@LarryC-stratboy 8 лет назад

Love it when he plugs hollow body in and says "don't change anything". Also, dig the nerd value of them waiting for the echoes and reverberation to die down before speaking. That is respect for the tone. Subscribed.

@JIMJAMSC 3 года назад

I recall my early days "mid 70s" with a row of EHX pedals, black light posters and a strobe light highlighting the purple smoke that filled the room. As I explored the sonic parallel universes I hit record on my cassette deck to capture this mystical magic for all of mankind. The next day I hit play, sat back and prepared myself for the sound of angels singing. What I heard was a incoherent slop of noodling garbage.

@goodknight37 2 года назад

Lol. Like when you record “brilliant “ ideas after a little sweet leaf. Sober= not so brilliant 😵‍💫

@RotoSphere 2 года назад

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@en_ray 8 лет назад

The sounds achieved in this video just straight up destroyed my face. The expressions pouring out of me... boy oh boy. Good stuff chaps. Keep it up!

@justinoneil6971 6 лет назад

There are so many riffs from this episode that you guys have used over and over. I love it! Best tones ever.

@superZEROKID 3 года назад

watching this in 2020 and realizing it's amazing what 4 years can do to a person. Y'all look like kids! Anyway, thank you for your endless amount of care. Everything has really helped with my tonal journey.

@johanhallgren6717 8 лет назад

LOVE that you played "Roundabout" on Steve Howes birthday, awesome timing!

@michael_caz_nyc 6 лет назад

Dan / Mick . . . Just another Awesome " Information Filled " Episode. You guys never cease to: Inspire me & Teach me something to become More Creative. My Favorite You Tube Channel. Please Don't Ever Stop. We need That Pedal Show for Life.

@johnmarquez333 8 лет назад

That wet/dry rig sounded epic! I can only imagine how glorious it sounded in the room. Great video!

@ryanholio 8 лет назад

One of the best shows yet. Perfectly timed as I'm just working on this. Cheers guys.

@jval4186 8 лет назад

They're the real tone kings. Also, props for the Sunn O))) reference.

@Stratocaster893 8 лет назад

These video's are getting better and better guy. Great work.

@konnektlive 8 лет назад

Wonderful video! Just what I needed right now for my next recording session. Love love love you guys! Please never ever ever stop the show. Cheers!

@gregorysmout2488 8 лет назад

After watching your show I was inspired to try a wet/dry set-up at a gig this evening! Blown away guys! Love the show, keep up the great work.

@Stratomacaster 8 лет назад

What a perfect show. I get my Mobius today and I can't wait to play with it. I keep hovering around the front door like a spastic dog, just waiting for the Fed Ex guy to show up. Every time I hear a truck, I have to go look out the window.

@ryanybh 8 лет назад

I love how giddy you guys get over great tone! It puts a big smile on my face as well! Thanks for the amazing videos!

@SkitaEkul 8 лет назад

Hi! Quick tip from Sweden. If you don't have a phase-inverter function in you're rig you might get away with changing the cables on one of your speakers around (the slide in conectors ataching the speaker to the cable from your amp). This changes the phase of the speaker around 180 ° . So when it used to be pushing air it is now pulling back. Try it and listen. But be careful! Turn your amp of first. There is a high potential for electrocuting yourself or even worse damage your nice tube amp ;-)

@jameswellington4795 8 лет назад

This is by far the best channel for reviews and for me learning more about effects! it's really allowing me to gauge what I want now a days or at least give me a general direction. Incredibility informative and very humorous. Very nice playing too - keep it up!

@samuelthird 8 лет назад

This was exactly what I had been waiting for! Dan & Mick, you guys are the best!!! Cheers.

@juanmartinreborati7928 8 лет назад

The dry-wet sounds awesome! Always learning from you guys... thanks!

@jamesmoody6494 8 лет назад

Absolutely one of the best videos I've seen on this subject. Love That Pedal Show. Keep it up guys!! Thanks.

@ThatPedalShow 8 лет назад

+James Moody cheers J ;)

@justinoneil6971 6 лет назад

I love this episode. I’ve probably watched the wet dry part a dozen times! It has completely inspired me to dive headlong into the pedal/soundscaping world. Not to mention, it also put me on the hunt for cheap amps to mod for options in pairing them for different size venues (which I have found!) my former days as a guitar tech are serving me well in that I’m now working on amps and pedals. I don’t know whether to curse you guys for feeding the monster of an expensive hobby or thank you for showing me the way to some incredible music experiences! Thanks are definitely in order!

@richj4305 5 лет назад

WOW!!!!! that intro Dan played. Just beautiful.

@paulodiasduarte 7 лет назад

Guys... what you do is fantastic. Its very pedagogic...I never had a teacher that taught me how to fire an amplifier... It feels that when we go to music university we almost forget about the sound and only think about harmony, but the sound is the most important thing... Its what people listen, Thanks for this and please carry on, all the best, Paulo.

@luckylicks3497 8 лет назад

That Pedal Show just keeps on getting better and better, cooler and cooler.. By the way, Scott Henderson is into the Wet/Dry thing, he has a nice setup, go getcha pull with that rig..

@garyslash7552 8 лет назад

I would like to thank you guys - not only for this one but for all your shows. Another reason to look forward to Fridays :-) Best guitar-fx show!!

@ThatPedalShow 8 лет назад

+Gary Slash Thanks Gary! Awesome name you have there...

@MecchaKakkoi 8 лет назад

The info in this episode is spot on! Excellent presentation, gentlemen! :D

@johnroberts838 4 года назад

Excellent Show 👍👍👍. Dan, Unbelievable Intro to the Show ♥️👍. Mick you were also on fire in this Show♥️👍. Take care, be safe, Melbourne, Australia.

@KyleByquist 8 лет назад

This is some great stuff guys. Love the discussion on stereo/single amp, definitely not something a lot of people think about!

@jonathanhill7756 8 лет назад

your best video yet guys :) nice to here you talk a little bit more about effects loops. I love using mine for delays and reverbs. I love to use my amps wet and dry when I can so it was cool herring you talk more about the science behind that and why it sounds so great (I stumbled across that by accident hahahha)

@stratfredo27 8 лет назад

Absolutely the best thing I've done for my rig wet/dry incredible improvement thanks for the video helped make my decision easy

@lightinme217 3 года назад

You guys are always fantastic! You have help me so many times get to were I am going! Thanks for what you do :)

@mattfeedback 8 лет назад

Quality viewing as ever fella's - dreamy tones & sweet playing - love it 🙏

@chuckhutch4104 8 лет назад

After watching this back in April I set about putting this together in my little studio. A Fender Blues Junior for the wet side and an 18 watt Marshall style conversion amp for the dry side. A Strymon BlueSky providing a LOT of reverb through the Fender and the gain cranked on the 18 watt. What a fantastic sound AND at manageable volumes.

@jasonmerryman4452 7 лет назад

Chuck Hutch do you pan your amps L and R? And if so, does it sound weird when your reverb is only coming through the one side, (say if you pan your Fender blues Jr to the L), or does it blend between the two?

@spectordave85 8 лет назад

Great episode, really interesting. I'm a big fan of stereo pedals, it's good to know all the differ ways to run them!

@vinniem565 8 лет назад

Very good guys. I've always scratched my head trying to figure out possible ways of running a stereo rig, so thanks a lot!

@1961jscofield 8 лет назад

Very educational, great info on 3 ways to do this.

@damienmillar 8 лет назад

I love that Mick has picked up on one of Dan's Australianisms: "that's just ACE". It's ace.

@martino250570 7 лет назад

I'm a Manc. I use "Ace" a lot.

@krispatel1 7 лет назад

damien millar Mick merely adopted the word ace. Dan was born using it, molded by it

@mattgilbert7347 7 лет назад

Now, all we have to do is get him playing the Grinspoon song.

@GrimmusiKRecords 8 лет назад

your workshop-ing videos on set-up, order, routing etc are super useful - tools for the toolbelt. thanks guys

@jesselawson224 8 лет назад

Probably some of the best tones I've ever heard on RU-vid.

@shorerocks 8 лет назад

The benchmark for my own videos. So much to learn. Cheers!

@Chilinoploopy 8 лет назад

Very informative video guys! both of you have a great feel on the guitar! very inspiring!

@mikeilkenhons8896 5 лет назад

Absolutely brilliant... great info and inspiring... well done.

@jamesgoddin8880 8 лет назад

I learned a lot from this video guys, and boy, that Gretsch with the wet/dry setup sounded immense.

@Aleph_Null_Audio 8 лет назад

Clearly the solutions is to use three amps: L/R stereo, plus dry center. : P

@bencousins4687 5 лет назад

Or indeed one dry, one wet (phaser) and two for stereo delay (in 1983) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wkhmDEKeaBU.html

@peterwelsh1932 3 года назад

I’m getting sooooo much noise running into 2 amps. 4? Maybe they don’t have phases and ground loops in Britain?

@dtworzguitar5775 2 года назад

@@peterwelsh1932 just need an iso phase reversal switch (ie.Humdinger)

@peterwelsh1932 2 года назад

@@dtworzguitar5775 yeah, gotta try... I thought I'd hooked some similar things up but not one good enough or specific enough I guess... FOR A QUICK FIX : I've been using the preamp of the Orange 30, via effects loop, into power amps of Orange 30 and a solid state Orange 120 Killed the hum but I'm wasting a whole preamp

@macsarcule Год назад

This is the right answer 🙂

@satch72 8 лет назад

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I've been curious about doing this and the ends and outs of each. Excellent, Now I know where to start.

@jeremiahmountain2460 8 лет назад

+That Pedal Show Great stuff guys!! Super good episode. I agree with Dan on the whole everything in front to warm up the digital effects

@nickthenail 8 лет назад

Great video, guys! I do the wet/dry thing thru my Marshall 4x12 wired for stereo. JCM800 is the dry signal and the wet signal comes from my reamping attenuator. It sounds SO GOOD and still takes up the one (rather large) footprint.

@AuditoryDriving 8 лет назад

Brian May certainly knew something back then... :) Thanks again guys for such an awesome and entertaining episode covering an issue that is really under-represented on youtube :)

@Cvweare 8 лет назад

good to have you back :)

@gitaarlessenamersfoort920 8 лет назад

i am pairing an orange 30watt with a vox ac15, running a wet-dry rig (ac15 dry, orange wet) and it works perfectly.. Would have never known how to do this if it wasn't for Daniel and Mick. Thanks guys, this channel is the best!

@roadwornandy 8 лет назад

Awesome video and tone guys. Inspirational!

@Fi1618033988 7 лет назад

Totally loved the attack and the top end definition of that gretsch, thanks for the video guys.

@stevespayde7469 7 лет назад

You guys are great,love your videos....thanks so much!

@flatsix666 8 лет назад

Wet/Dry is an amazing combo and one I will be trying out! many thanks fella's!

@hgostos 5 лет назад

How I do it.... Strat into tweed Champ type amp (dry) then into Boss Spring Reverb pedal into a small clean Fender amp (ss 15 watts) with another 8" speaker. Dry-Wet. Very nice for all the reasons Dan explained.

@RomeoSierra83 8 лет назад

Great show as always, gentlemen! We all want a wet/dry set up now - #ToneForDays! The Gretsch sounded particularly special through that rig. I love it, I love it all.

@MrBingping 8 лет назад

Good timing! I've just started experimenting running my twin reverb and 59 bassman together

@guitarnoises4862 8 лет назад

Superb video again guys. I am really glad you've done this video as I have been running a twin MJW amp set up of one 18watt Marshall clone and one 18watt 5e3. I have previously put all pedals into one amp (Marshall) and leaving the 5e3 as it is. After watching this I will try putting my aby pedal after my drive pedals instead of before it. Twin amps is the way to go!

@mcarse 7 лет назад

Great vid! Best one I've seen for a wet dry rig!

@DomSchu 8 лет назад

I love running a stereo rig. It just improves the overall sound so much. I usually like having a british type amp on the right set with more mids and on the edge of breakup and an american type amp on the left with a mid scoop and very clean.

@amonmakesoriginalnoises 8 лет назад

omg omg omg I SEE THE WARPED VINYL. GOOD ON YOU DAN!

@pjpythons3871 8 лет назад

Great video. Some amazing tones. Id been looking into how to use a stereo rig with effects and its so complicated but after hearing the wet/dry rigs this is definitely the way to go

@ThatPedalShow 8 лет назад

+Paul Edwards Good on ya Paul. It's much simpler and more versatile/flexible in our opinion. And you can use two tiny amps and still sound big! Thanks for watching.

@JettyDeke 6 лет назад

Now that I'm running a wet/dry rig I've noticed that I get a better, fuller sound at lower volumes and it has decreased our stage volume by switching to 2 amps. It has worked great for us.

@perspecsmusic 8 лет назад

using a volume pedal to fade in/out the wet amp is a lot of fun

@akoolstik 2 года назад

just catching up with this great idea. Thanks!

@markwhitelaw7192 8 лет назад

Sounded amazing! I would love to see a video on different tremolo units in the future.

@ajsrhodes 8 лет назад

Awesome guys, a great video.

@n2space4u 8 лет назад

Just topped yourselves, great episode!!!

@aixpert291 6 лет назад

For those wanting to do this but having phase issues, look at the radial shotgun. I've been trying to get my stereo rig "just right" for a long time, and this (pedal?) really fixed my issues.

@kentonschroer2347 8 лет назад

That is an awesome sound! You guys truly understand tone.

@chinchinfukuro 8 лет назад

Awesome video!! Love all your videos... I've been experimenting with wet/dry rigs for the past 3 years or so. I run it similar to Steve Morse and Jimmy Herring where there is a volume pedal to control the level of the wet amp. I don't always use it live but when I do, I feel invincible.....

@rikh78 8 лет назад

some seriously tasty sounds in there, and very educational :)

@itznoxy7193 8 лет назад

Great idea for a show! so glad this week wasn't another metal zone episode hehe.

@tincupmike32 8 лет назад

Some of the best guitar tones I have ever heard. Very nice guys. Love the show

@ThatPedalShow 8 лет назад

+tincupmike32 Thanks Mike! Things were definitely happening when we did this. :0)

@ThatPedalShow 8 лет назад

+tincupmike32 Thanks Mike! Things were definitely happening when we did this. :0)

@guythompson8908 7 лет назад

Excellent show!

@sanderbuhrman 7 лет назад

Guys, I really love your show! So inspiring. Now what I've discovered is running a Eventide H9 in wet/dry mode or stereo. You can choose per preset! This is really lovely. No hum at all, even on gigs. But maybe I'm just Lucky having no hum.

@kentmartell8445 7 лет назад

I just want to say thank you, great video..this is a game changer!! Wet/Dry rig for the win, you are so right!

@8stringsofdeath72 8 лет назад

Guys! You have NO idea how relevant this video is to me right now. I have been working on how to set up my own dual rig setup and this video cleared up MANY of my questions and confirmed some of my suspicions. Looks like I will be setting up a wet/dry configuration. Thank you very much!

@ThatPedalShow 8 лет назад

+8 Strings Of Death That's excellent news 8! Have fun...

@8stringsofdeath72 8 лет назад

Thanks guys! I have one question about the wet/dry setup and possibly using the GigRig(that thing blows my mind). Is it possible to setup the GigRig to do a wet/dry setup with my drive pedals going to the front of both Amp1 and Amp2 and my time based effects going into the FX Loop of Amp1? Does it work by using a volume loop and using the four cable method into the input and effects loop? I've seen the Boss knockoff of the GigRig, but I'd like to go with yours even though it's more expensive. It seems more innovative and more versatile. Plus I'm a big fan of you guys. My pedal knowledge is through the roof thanks to you. PS. When will you be getting 3X shirts in again? I really want to order one!

@chriskindler7625 8 лет назад

EXCELLENT fellas......I've never had it so well put about the whole wet/dry thing.....versus stereo..... I think I'm going to actually be trying the wet/dry thing here for a good while! THANK YOU! :-)

@ThatPedalShow 8 лет назад

+Chris Kindler very welcome Chris 🤓

@skidmarkjohnson8452 8 лет назад

Brilliant! Wet dry amps are the way to go! I've been doing it for years. The low $$ way I do it is with an Shure SM57 on the speaker of the dry amp into a mulit-effects unit on the wet amp with a volume pedal in the effects loop to control the volume on the effects on the fly.

@jacobprestidge5487 8 лет назад

24:07 - Wow. LOVE that tone.

@eisbaellsche175 8 лет назад

Love that show-great! I use both kind of setups in two bands. One stereo and one wet/ dry. My issue is that I personally prefer amp distortion and that like you mentioned lopps are very different built. So to place my Delay in the chain without loosing tone is very hard to handle with. keppe up the good work!

@alexmillar8242 8 лет назад

That tell always sounds so good :O

@roeletti 8 лет назад

As always, great show! I'd love to watch you guys every Friday! But i wonder, when are you picking up some DR.NO Effects pedals? I'm sure Dan will find some great fuzz pedals and Mick some great old school overdrives ;) Cheers

@DrDavis77 8 лет назад

Brilliant guys - really inspiring. Time to pair the v40 with the Marshall methinks.

@PennsyltuckyTrapper 8 лет назад

I've always measured the musicians I hear not by the abilities they show during a performance but by how INSPIRED I am by it. I had to stop this video 2 times so I could pick up my guitar and play. I run wet/dry and I'm INSPIRED each time I hear it being played by others Just AWESOME guys!

@ThatPedalShow 8 лет назад

+Pennsyltucky Trapper That's great Pennsyl - that's exactly what we want. Thanks for watching!

@middle_pickup 8 лет назад

Listening to this video on my hi-fi was fun. Thank you, Apple Airplay!

@MiniForklift 8 лет назад

Had to take a quick look to see if this was up before heading off to bed (I'm in New Zealand so we're half a day in front of the UK)... quick download to my pen drive and it will be the first thing that gets turned on in the morning along with my Nespresso machine and the wife. I run a couple of amps in stereo, so perfect video for me. Look forward to it guys!

@GK-mm3nz 8 лет назад

+Mini Forklift Ⓥ I see what you did there...

@mrblueroads7789 6 лет назад

y all got the best job in the world, keep up the good work,10-4

@salkdjfasldkfjsdlk 8 лет назад

Thanks, I'm giving it a go. I got the Radial BigShot ABY pedal to split the signal. Problem I ran into was when I'm at home I use a looper so I had to get a stereo looper. I use my TightMetal Pro for distortion and I used an extreme octaver and the sound still had the crunch. Sounds great. Thanks for the tip.

@markbolton6200 8 лет назад

Lads I F**king love you guys..... Guitar Anoraks and lovin every minute of it... Keep up the Great work.....

@JRP3music 8 лет назад

I always prefer stereo, I have the option for wet/dry/wet. Whether or not the pa is in stereo, I use 2 mics or my stereo speaker sim. It sounds great. I also blend piezo signal as well. I use 3 channels or 4 if I used wet/dry/wet

@KingGodson316 8 лет назад

That is the best I have EVER heard a Gretsch! Makes me want one!

@robertritchie2860 5 лет назад

Got mine:) Wet amp is a Fender Deluxe Reverb and my dry one is a Marshall 2061x. I split the signal with a tonebone JX2 switchbone. Sounds brilliant. Am thinking of creating a amp head out of the DRRI and running it through a 2x12 cab, that way I’ll have two 2x12s... :) Volume levels are great; the Marshall is rated at 20W and the fender has 22W.

@christovammatheus5208 3 месяца назад

Seeing it in 2024! ❤

@chrisdaviesguitar 4 года назад

that Gretch and that tremolo though. Orgasmic.

@thegertandreas 8 лет назад

couldn't agree more with everything you said. and thanks again for an outstanding video. guess it's always safe to give thumbs up before even watching it =) rewired my pedalboard a couple of months ago to support a dry/wet setup (fender twin reverb + orange ad30r). love the directness of a clean amp (signal's being split after the dirt pedals but before modulation/delay/reverb) and having a separate amp for the wet signal. especially for adjusting the dry/wet ratio in when mixing. got a custom switcher built (with isolated output and phase inverse) that allows me to route the signals in any combination (wet/dry selecting which signals goes to what amp, both dry, both wet, as well as switching between both amps where one is always muted still being able to select dry or wet per amp). pretty nice for recording and live. dry/wet is simply more useful to my application of playing in a band with 4 other guys where a lot of stuff is going on anyways. though stereo is fun if you want to fill a room with sound when playing alone at home maybe. but it's harder to get the right sound live, then it limits you in the order of pedals (cause not all support stereo) and in general going beyond a single amp setup just takes more effort to get things right. one thing that i recognized though with a dry/wet rig though is that it might need some time get used to the different locations the dry and wet sound is coming from when standing in front of the amps. more than in a classic stereo stereo.