@@thomaswalker869 , That's highly disrespectful to the legacy of Mrs. Thatcher. To compare her to Trump is like comparing a dignified warrior to a classless twit. Thatcher was fierce and unrelenting, but she always conducted herself with class and dignity. Trump is a loudmouth, arrogant, boorish fool who repeatedly lies and then gets wildly offended whenever someone calls his bullshit. THERE IS ZERO COMPARISON.
@@historyprofessor1985 maybe classless in some peoples eyey but he is Americas saviour in chief weather you like or agree with him or not . he the best you got at present. Listen to the British. We will keep you on the right path
My comparison was the fact they both take/took no nonsense and actually got things done. A government is only worth its salt when it does its job properly for the people. You wont get that with Joe Biden/Democrat party. The Don is your best option for 2024. You may not like but you cant stop an irresistable force or cast aside an immovable object. It is what it is. America can be saved. Northern Ireland stands behind GOP For midterms 2022 and Trump 2024. Get ready for getting stuff done.
« Clever » at selling off all our assets, ruining our infrastructure, suppressing workers rights, ruining our manufacturing industries, enriching herself, her family and horrible friends like Pinochet… cunning and vile but not clever.
You're clearly an American. There is nothing wrong with that, I'm one myself. But any British person will know the Lord Kinnock. He led Labour for a decade in the Commons and still remains in Parliament in the Lords.
that bastard splitarse decimated british industries and wiped out whole communities with her malice and spite good riddance to bad rubbish I wish I could have buried a stake in her evil heart.
British and welsh and proud of it. my concern is for the uk as a whole not just wales what that woman did was not out of good for the country but has she admitted a few months before her death that it was out of revenge for the fall of heah' govement which was never the mineworkers or steelworkers intention.
She was a brilliant debater. So sharp. And he by contrast could really waffle. However, on the substantive point, the poll tax was an unmitigated disaster and thoroughly pernicious.
Whereas council tax is utterly marvellous? The poll tax was simply a means to show ordinary ppl that government is the great fiction whereby everyone endeavours to live at the expense of everyone else.
I never admitted this before and I was always anti-thatcher but there is no doubt in my mind now she was the best PM we ever had. So much better than the anti british, pro immigration (cos he thinks it'll make us more left wing)spendthrift Corbyn. And I have voted Labour all my life. But never for Corbyn.
Clement Attlee was the best prime minister we've ever had. His government created the NHS, finalised the welfare state and saved the UK from a recession that would have occurred if Churchill had been in government following WWII.
PHILLIP GREER - I was a child of the 80s and we were all conditioned to hate Thatcher mainly by the BBC. Today, I think back to the 80s and it's not just nostalgia I would far rather be there than in this decade and I say we've regressed so far now into a state of degeneracy, chaos, atomization as a people in Britain and there is no 'Conservative' party anymore. Nothing is conserved, everything is progressive, everything is being eroded and destroyed that made this nation so great.
Mrs T was a giant on the world stage. Took us from being 'The economic basket case of Europe' under Labour during 'The winter of discontent' to a world economic power once again (oh, and throw in sending a task force to sort out Argentina in the Falklands, which no one else would have done) and she was demonstrably way better than any muppet we've had since!
Same here, my friend. Back then, how could we know the famous mantra of Blair... "keep what you want to do hidden from the public until you're in power" ... I'd put him in prison for so many reasons.
Fuck off yourself he's fucking nowhere and never will be.... He's promising the world and buying votes ; this twat if he got in would bankrupt the lot of us. If you have any shares they'll be wiped out the country would be on it's knees+ over run with his friends from terror organisations.....
This is enjoyable to watch. The debate is fun but the poll tax led to her downfall. It was a mistake. She couldn’t listen to the people anymore, she thought she was untouchable. Eventually she was kicked out by her own party
I'm still not convinced that the community charge was wrong. The concept that we all contribute, rather than just homeowners, was a very unpopular but not at all unreasonable idea
@@rjhtrucking5429 Get yours right and get some perspective. All historians agree on the fact that the poll tax was the last straw that started her downfall. The Conservative MPs couldn’t support her anymore because there was too much discontent in their constituencies. Members of the cabinet also decided that was enough. If you have a short term vision of history, her backbenchers indeed brought her down. But you’re certainly not too stupid to understand that they must have some reasons to do so. A party doesn’t disown their leader just because a whim strikes them. The poll tax was voted in 87/88 and progressively implemented in 89/90. After the poll tax was announced, opinion polls showed the Labour opposition opening a strong lead over the Conservative government. Following the Poll Tax Riots, Conservative ministers contemplated abolition of the tax but knew that, as a flagship Thatcherite policy, its abolition would not be possible while Thatcher was still Prime Minister. Kinnock had vowed to abolish the poll tax if he won the next general election. For this, among other reasons, Thatcher was challenged by Michael Heseltine for the Conservative leadership in November 1990. Although she prevailed by a margin of fifty votes, she narrowly missed the threshold to avoid a second vote, and on 22 November 1990 she announced her resignation after more than a decade in office. All three of the contenders to succeed her pledged to abandon the tax.
Wait a minute, first he criticized her for implementing poll taxes, then he criticized her for capping them in the same breath.😂 Apparently Labour was always wishy-washy.
There were definite problems with poll taxes especially in admin collection due to mobile workforce etc but Thatcher defended well and logically. Should learn from this lady how to argue calmly, with facts and stating stand very clearly without being flustered by heckling.
The poll tax was Thatcher’s undoing. So many years in No. 10 made her oblivious to the consequences of the poll tax and the backlash. The Tories are ruthless when it comes to tearing down their leaders.
I’m an American who is a Bernie Sanders supporter but I admire her greatly because she stood up for what she believed in and she was able to wipe the floor with those tossers on the other side of the house I still feel the if her MPs weren’t looking out for themselves in 1990 and booted her out she would have kicked Neil Kinnocks ass again in 1992
Yeah don't be a Bernie Sanders supporter please. Just vote Trump this year and stop the silliness. Your country is in a dumpster due to woke socialists and you're running out of time.
I grew up In the 1960's And worked for British rail In the 1970's I was prevented from doing my very under paid job because of Labour unions Like ASFLET (the train driver's union ) lead by Ray Buckton A lazy git who only turned up for work to call strike action a Dozen time a year,? My dad was made redundant In 1965, by that moron Harald Wilson,!!, that K.G.B. Agent for the soviets In russkiy land I can honestly say I have voted Labour AND never will,!!!!!!!, TOO ALL PROPPER LABOUR OLD LABOUR I URGE YOU TO VOTE U.K.I.P. AND FOR BREXIT ,. I THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT BRITISH PEOPLE,.
Susan Hughs. Now the railway has piss failing driving DOO after destroying our prisons and police. This muppet isn't fit to tie his shoelaces. On ASLEF..the last union this country had as everyone else has folded as the government drive us towards dictatorship. People are conditioned by the bullshit and our Island will drown in the sea around it. Corbyns not ideal but he's for the people unlike the out of touch Tories.
Prevented from doing "your underpaid job" well hard luck you servile sheep, some people wanted better for themselves & didn't want to spend their lives tugging their forelocksEVERY employee right in this country is thanks to worker/union power, the Tories have given you nothing, except the right to buy council house stock they stole from the boroughs to sell to you at knock down prices to make you mortgage slavesYou working class Tories are fucking imbeciles & you don't know your history.
What's funny is that after all this, when Labour got in post-thatcher they kept the poll tax... This just goes to show that all Labour know's how to do is political point score, they haven't been for the working classes for decades.
What utter bollocks! Thatcher's successor, John Major, abolished the tax when he took office in November 1990. In 1993, the tax was replaced by the council tax, which helped shift some of the tax burden off the poor.
Screwed the British Coal industry and never replaced those proud and skilled workforce's jobs, leaving the once thriving and self sustaining Nottinghamshire+South Yorkshire town and village communities, with absolutely nothing!!!
Best PM we had. Over all she changed this country for the better but as far as the Poll Tax goes, she made a terrible mistake. and what we have now isnt much better. with people who have worked hard to buy their own property expected to pay more...but what for. The same service from the local council and police. and the single occupancy discount is unfair too. It should be 50% !!! Council tax should be based only partly on property value, partly on occupancy (one, two, three adults living in a property) but also on TOTAL household income. No government has had the guts to redefine this unfair tax since it became Council tax in the 90s. Thatcher's Poll Tax was a very big mistake !!
Cracks me up that so many on here are claiming how great she was and how she wiped the floor with Kinnock and how he didn’t have a clue. Wasn’t this debate around the Poll tax being wrong/flawed etc etc? What exactly happened to the Poll tax in the end? Oh yes how could we forget………and you are all mostly saying that she was thy great one! My word!!!!
Like what? Bleeding hundreds of thousands of miners and carpenters and electricians to enrich a few thousand City of London lawyers and bankers and accountants?
The principle of replacing rates was sound in principle, but the pole tax was hated by conservatives as well as labour. I still remember the hapless Tory candidate who was sent to defend it at the ribble valley bi election and was told "ex Tories, that's what we are." The pole tax was hated by nearly everyone.
The Thatcher decade was my political awakening. Watching back now brings back so many emotions and memories. I recall my then-MP inviting me to see her perform at a Prime Minister's question time. Not something I will ever forget. This was when political leaders were giants and true statespeople. How low politics and government has fallen.
Don't understand what some of the commentators are on about. The Poll Tax was her biggest mistake and we all know it - including her own party who stabbed her in the back over it.
I have respect for thatcher in a sense that she was a great leader and had an amazing ability to always get her way. Yet, the neo-liberalism ideology is failing and has got us into the mess we are in today. We are at the mercy of the market. Policy is now made solely to maintain economic stability. The needs of people are second to the needs of the market. The private sector has had too way much initiative in creating credit. The banking system has a fundamental flaw, in that instead of creating credit to fund capital investment, it goes into bumping up the prices of assets and in particular real estate. Just 15% of QE goes into capital investment in this country at this time. Which has lead to massive inequality, demand deffiency, low-productivity. It has contributed to the massive debt-overhang the globe faces today. Stopping the building of council homes, and now we have an undeniable housing crisis in this country and extortionate costs of living. She made mistakes.
However, I do acknowledge that the economy was in a bit of a mess when she came in and she did a good job of getting it growing. But the long-term implications for society have been dearly detrimental to the fairness of our society, the rights of people and gave way too much power to the private sector.
Simon Harding Thatcher denegrated communities to globules of people. Communities are only bound by physical proximity and not by social cohesiveness caused by ,for example, by the Housing Act 1983 removing second succession of council /housing Association tenancies. This guarantee tories that communities are not in a position to act together.
The problem is that people think we actually live in a capitalist society and that it is "failing", we don't, we live in a socialist society, which as always is failing. I am Swedish and I pay 75% of my monthly income in tax, that includes tax on purchases, electricity, gasoline etc.
First off just ... wow . I would advise you to read less articles that are written by the economic illiterate , commonly found in the Guardian . The market isn’t something that people can be held hostage by . If people are willing to pay X for your commodity or product you will get X in a market system . The financial crisis was caused by reckless lending promoted by government to people unable to pay . The Uk has a housing crisis because not enough houses are being built in areas of greater economic productivity like London . Stringent regulation is holding housing back . If you want more social housing go back to your rathole of the 70s . I’m afraid Thatcher isn’t to blame for any problems in the Uk not connected to coal mining towns . She allowed Britain to prosper without excessive tax funded subsidies to lame duck companies . If you don’t like it go live in Venezuela , you’d fit right in
Interesting that although she wiped the floor with Kinnock, as this was on 6 October 1990, within just 6 weeks she would have resigned as Prime Minister.
The comments here are hilarious and ironic. Regardless of who you might think looked better in that clip, Kinnock was the one proven correct. The Poll Tax (Community Charge) WAS a huge error and WAS abolished in a couple of years and DID lead to the downfall of Thatcher, exactly as Kinnock said.
Absolutely bloody true, I was a student at the time and was billed with the Poll Tax, I didn't pay it initially and was chased for it, I considered it a complete insult and an outrage!!
She makes my flesh crawl, poll tax was a success ? As it is carrying on now isn’t it? Thatcher was the beginning of the end of fair play and decency in Britain!
Let's be realistic Thatcher in a superhero costume is not the way she will be remembered by those who lived through her capital privatisation and other policies. One of the things she said was that competing energy providers would make everyone's bills cheaper... That never happened!
Kinnock is and was a grade one prat, a totally useless individual and this has handed down to his son. Thatcher was different class, not always right but most certainly head and shoulders above the opposition.
I'm a Labour man. But I loved the Kinnock vs Thatcher duels. They were great to watch. Do you have any Thatcher vs Wilson and Callaghan audio? If so please post.
It was more the ambitions of her colleagues, increasingly frustrated at not getting their chance as PM. PMs tend not to last much more than two terms in the UK and I think this is one major reason why.
Wow!!! What great prime ministers question time far removed from the nonsense we get today. Whether you liked or not she was a good leader and we have no one like her today in any party. What a mess we are in 😪
Poll tax did her in the end. Ask the average Scot what they thought of the poll tax. She didn’t own Kinnock, he later campaigned as if he had already won the election and that was his undoing, he would have been an excellent Prime Minister. If I’m being picky, she should have said that Labour hasn’t a clue, not haven’t.
