Thawne Asks For Barry's Help | The Flash Armageddon Crossover [HD] 

I miss Matt letcher thawne

think it was to show that he was dying

Your goals are beyond my understanding

@@rory8182 nah it was because he was tryna hide his identity from being in wells body. not to mention it made him seem more menacing

@@KingM119 that's literally the reason though When the reverse flash started dying he once used the speed force to stop a heads hot from killing him yet every time he used it again he died a bit If this flash is dying him not using the speed force at all apart from the vibro hands is perfectly resoanble

Yeah

Maybe it’s just cause he’s dying or he didn’t feel like being insanely intimidating when asking Barry for help

The glowing red eyes are it, no doubt

I was hoping he would. Thats like his thing

Yet.

yeah i got annoyed with them having different suits but just opposite colors

@@xavierramirez1911 Wdym? His old suit was pretty solid. (Least to me)

@@Cosmicmorales it was fucking vicious, i miss it.

@@Cosmicmorales i didn’t say i hated it. i just like that now barry and thawne’s suits actually look like opposites of one another

Bruh the suits have gotten objectively worse as the series has gone on. This looks like a Party City costume.

and we do too.

“You’re serious? Save you from what standing here?”

Hola a todos

Wow

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Season 1 thawne felt more mature tbh didn't he? The current thawne is super childish in comparison

After season 5 and all the timeline changes, Thawne changed from being calm, calculating, and manipulative to unhinged and erratic. He couldn't really kill the flash the first 5 seasons because that would fuck things up for him, but now his timeline is so fucked that he can't even die.

Yeah I agree.

@@potatoboy549 yeah, very good and observational point!

I honestly don’t get it. This green arrow has zero chance of taking out thawne. At least Oliver has some sense to not take him head on but this chick is like next level dumb

@@Goo_Gle. bruh in this clip, she didnt even trip thawne properly 😤

oliver was way more believable. WAY more lol

Made sense with like season 2 Barry vs green arrow since Barry was more cocky and less experienced

@@Goo_Gle. even if thawne had just gotten speed I don’t think there’d be much anyone could do let alone Oliver or the green arrow.

Thawne: what I may have done was not exactly friendly but could you slide me a solid here I uh solved your problem with future terrorist speedster and I'm redeeming that free save coupon

@@biggerboss5785 barry: Ah yes that free coupon that expired when you impaled my mother with a knife. thawne: Uh….we are the Flash? Barry: No. just no.

Police Officers: OH DAWWWMN!! THE DRAMA!! 🍵

The last one should of said: Didn’t you just recently stole my life?

Why would they wanna save him? Like in season 2 zoom barry wanted to kill him but let the time wraiths, season 3 savitar gets shot by iris and many many others like tf

Yeah. I loved Vibe and was so disappointed when he took the cure.

joe dies next season

@@ElyanaTaenor yeah it was even worse when they gave him his powers back during crisis, only to take them away again right after. Only for him to turn around and become mecha-vibe right before leaving the show. The writers really didn’t know what they wanted to do with the character.

@@amybruh3443 what?

When then basically the show will suck all the ogs we like will be gone

I wish the actor gets to be the reverse flash in the DCEU. Tom is just too good for this show. Imagine what he could accomplish when he is working with better writers. I know the DCEU isn’t great either but it’s better than the CW.

@@drlukas4242 it's not better. That's ridiculous

@@cosmicmaster1006 Have you seen the CW? I would rather watch the DCEU than the flash.

@@drlukas4242 well that's just sad. But you do you. Id rather watch good stories with great casts and music and suits but ok

​@@cosmicmaster1006 ​ @Cosmic Master, You're joking, right? The show has been terrible after season 4. The cast is fine but they have a terrible script. The suits? That has to be a joke. The suits are absolutely terrible. I absolutely hate the new flash and reverse flash suits. They don't look good in live-action. I would have much preferred if the suits would have stayed the same or similar to the season 4 suit. As for the story. The story is absolutely horrible and is filled with inconsistencies. Season 1-2 fine the story is okay but every other season has problems. For example in season 3. Well first of all Barry saving Nora ruins his entire arch and character development of season 1. This is also a problem with season 2 but still. In season 1 Barry supposedly learned that he has to remain responsible for his actions and not abuse his powers. He also learned to accept the death of Nora by letting her die in season 1. But no the writers decided for all of that to be taken away just because they wanted to recreate a famous storyline from the comics. Savitar could easily have won due to the team's stupidity. After HR sacrifices himself and the newspaper gets changed then Savitar could just immediately return to starlabs and kill Iris before anyone even knows he was there. Also, there was no way that killer frost could have frozen the Black Flash. Therefore Savitar would have died. Also, why can't the speed force send Time Wraiths? Or something against a speedster messing with time. If the speedforce can't deal with one non-speedster then why the hell doesn't the timeline change all the time? Also, HR shouldn't have died. Iris could have 2 opportunities. Remember that Argus base with dominator tech? That building has building-wide metahuman dampeners. THEY KNOWINGLY ESTABLISHED THIS INTO THE SHOW AND DIDN'T THINK TO HIDE IRIS IN THERE. Savitar is just a metahuman. Not a god. If he tries to enter the building then Argus can arrest Savitar until the paradox reaches him. Even if for some reason the director (WHO IS FRIENDS WITH BARRY AND LITERALLY GIVES HIM A PIECE OF TECHNOLOGY WHICH SHE SAID "Wars are fought over this technology") then Barry could send Iris to Earth 2 (or a random Earth). Then bring Iris to a flight over the Pacific Ocean. Savitar can't fly and there is barely any building to climb to reach a plane. So Iris just has to sit on a flight until Savitar's paradox catches up with him Season 4. Barry should have never been arrested. It logically doesn't make sense for Barry THE FASTEST MAN ALIVE to not flee his apartment. If he flees then he will have an alibi at Joe's house. Or even better JUST MOVE THE BODY AND CLEAN UP THE BLOOD. No evidence = no conviction. Therefore the thinker fails. It doesn't even make sense why the thinker does this? Is it to delay the flash? But the flash hasn't done anything to hinder the thinker's plan. Sure Barry knew the thinker's identity but the thinker didn't do anything while Barry was in prison. The only thing he did is steal the powers from the prisoners. But he could have done that without framing Barry which brings attention to your wife and your home. Also, don't get me started on Iris. SHE IS A HORRIBLE LEADER. It makes no sense in the story why she would take on a leadership role. Barry literally made Cisco the leader. Iris has no right to just take leadership over a team of scientists and metahumans. She is just a reporter. At the very most she could be a supportive character providing moral and information support. The leader should be Cisco or Caitlin since they are both experience scientists/engineers. They both worked on a team to build the particle accelerator. Both are metahumans as well and have combat experience therefore they could probably coordinate Barry better. Season 5. There is a scene where Barry teaches Nora and he does a terrible job at it. HOW? HE HAS LITERALLY TRAINED 2 OTHER SPEEDSTERS AND MULTIPLE OTHER METAHUMANS. HE KEEPS ON LEARNING THE SAME LESSONS AFTER SEASON 1 BECAUSE THE WRITERS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE DOING. Now I'm about to talk about the stupidest part of the story. So Barry finds out that Nora was working with Thawne. So obviously Barry sends Nora back. Then Iris does something she would never do. THAWNE LITERALLY KILLED HER EX-FIANCE AND BARRY'S MOTHER. Not to mention the number of innocent people She claims "hE iS oN dEaTh rOw, HoW iS sHe MaNiPuLaTiNg NoRa?" Just because you're on death row doesn't mean you can't manipulate people. If anything it provides an incentive to manipulate people to escape. Now I have the second stupidest thing about this season. Iris and others get mad at Sherloque Wells for investigating Nora. THAT IS LITERALLY HIS JOB. YOU HIRED HIM TO BE AN INVESTIGATOR. DO YOU WANT HIM TO NOT INVESTIGATE A THREAT TO HIS EMPLOYERS? Season 6 is very mediocre. The first half is okay but the second half villain is just not interesting. She never even meets Barry until the final episodes. The reason why Thawne was a good villain because we and Barry had a personal connection with Thawne. None of that exists because Barry barely gets to see the villain before the final episodes. Season 7 is definitely the worst. First of all, Barry is barely even in the show. Excuses are just made up so that side characters that are unanimously hated get the spotlight. Another thing weird is that the new forces call Barry their father. The new forces were literally normal people but suddenly they call a stranger dad for no reason. Also, the speedforce made for a terrible villain. First of all the speedforce is op. It could literally kill every force before they knew what was coming. The only force that could challenge it is the still force. Also, it's weird that the speedforce still manifests as Nora. It only did that to provide confront for Barry. Now it's unnecessary. Also, the speedforce by the end is afraid to be alone? THE SPEEDFORCE IS A FORCE OF NATURE THAT LIVED SINCE THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED. IT EXISTED BILLIONS OF YEARS IN ISOLATION. EVEN THEN IT'S A FORCE OF NATURE. FORCES OF NATURE DON'T HAVE FEELINGS. Another thing that will provide inconsistencies and make the story worse in the future is Barry calling the speedforce in the final episodes. The speedforce is proven to be the fastest thing in the universe. Whenever there is a problem Barry could just call the speedforce down. Then the speedforce could literally come and fix the problem in less than a second. You can't have any more future stakes anymore since Barry can literally call upon multiple gods to solve any problems within seconds. By the way could I just mention that the real godspeed is in ONE EPISODE. How do the writers expect to properly develop a villain in one episode. What is even dumber is that they call Thawne to help defeat godspeed. BTW can I still mention that Barry still has multiple gods at his disposal? So then they have a lightsaber fight (AT REGULAR SPEED FOR SOME REASON). Then to the surprise of no one. Thawne nearly kills godspeed. So even if we ignore Barry bringing back the man who betrayed him. Erased his future daughter out of existence. Killed his mother. If we ignore all of that. The scene after Thawne nearly kills Thawne we see Barry being way faster. THEN WHY DID WE NEED THAWNE? In the same episode it was said that godspeed was faster than Barry. So how the hell did Thawne manage to stab Godspeed? If that fight was logical then what would have happened is that godspeed would have speed stabbed Thawne and then continued fighting Barry. Also something even dumber occurs. BARRY LETS THAWNE GO FREE. THAWNE KILLED YOUR MOTHER, ERASED YOUR DAUGHTER, MADE YOUR FRIEND COMMIT SUICIDE, BETRAYED. YET YOU LET HIM GO? Barry is insane. He could easily get Thawne without any effort. Now Thawne can go into the Negative speedforce and avoid the timeline from catching up with him. Also another huge problem with this season is Jay Garrick. He shouldn't exist in this universe. He is from Earth 3. He is a doppelganger of Barry's father. He shouldn't exist. Thinking about it this entire post crisis timeline doesn't make sense. What about all of the Wells. Where did they come from? What did Zoom want? In the original timeline Zoom wanted to destroy most of the multiverse but since that doesn't exist he can't do that anymore. Speaking of the Negative speedforce. In season 8 Thawne shouldn't be at risk from getting erased. In the season 5 finally it's been confirmed that the negative speedforce prevents timeline changes from occurring. So if Thawne runs into the negative speedforce then he will be safe. The same applies to reverse flashpoint. In reverse flashpoint Barry has red lightning. So that has to mean he has access to the negative speedforce. Well first of all how isn't is anger affected by the negative speedforce? Also Thawne killing Barry as a child wouldn't affect Barry since like I said Barry is being protected by the negative speedforce. BTW where is the Black Fash? Or Time Wraiths? The speedforce still exists so it should detect the timeline changes. Sure the negative speedforce would have protected Thawne from Time Wraiths but the Black Flash is supposed to be the fastest speedster apart from the speedforce itself. I don't think Thawne would have enough time to enter the negative speedforce. We know this from Thawne's encounter with the Black Flash in the Legends of Tomorrow.

Speedsters on Flash are only as fast as the plot allows lol.

@@s0515033 yeah it's really annoying

If you are attacking from behind a Speedster is not possible to act in superspeed I guess. I mean they did the same in season 3 where Iris shot Savitar.

@@LeutnantDraza if you dropped out of the sky behind me as a normal guy as soon as I hear a sound I’m able to react. Maybe not fast enough to stop it but fast enough to at least react, now give me super speed and it wouldn’t matter if you touched me cause I could react as soon as it’s felt and get out the way or just completely annihilate you 😂

Speedsters are overpowered as shit, literally nobody on the planet can touch flash if they wanted but you gotta progress the plot forward still

Yeah but Barry doesn't even magnify his voice, so everyone should be able to tell its him

@@mockingjay_2397 everyone who knows barry basically knows he is the flash. those are just cops that barry is not friends with.

@@travisdingolaite6184 still Barry works there. A few of the cops have to know him. Especially since Barry is the adopted son of their chief.

@@drlukas4242 maybe not all of them, he does work in a different department than an ordinary cop

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I even think he's using his speed sparingly because he gets closer to dying when he uses his speed,similar to what was happening there

Hole on his head

@@Akainu_36 It was me barry

Should have let it end the same way.

I don’t understand why people want comic accuracy. Comic accuracy just doesn’t fit live action.

@@drlukas4242 comic accuracy CAN work, its just that this specific suit just looks goofy asf on Tom. It looked way better on Grant though, probably because it was made for Grant in the first place

yea i miss when the show was darker

​@@drlukas4242i don't even read dc comics but im fairly certain it is fairly easy to understand

Especially since it's an alert about THAWNE.

@@sonario6489 yeah exactly lmfao

those two scenes were happening simultaneously. Barry was talking with the team while Eobard and Green Arrow were fighting. So when Barry got the alert, he just arrived in time to save Mia.

@@tanmaydeshpande exactly. People are always trying to find something to complain about with this show. It’s actually really great this season

@@henrybalfour231 FINALLY SOMEONE SAYS IT

@X-777 oh stfu it's the same as Peter Parker and Bruce Wayne, it's just a trademark of superheroes.

Barry is not Omnipotent he doesn't know everything that's going on

@@juliansummers5983 He should've been there after police call in 1 second.

He always runs in slow motion

@@halfabeer4403 That’s true he probably does it to store speed for later in the show.

All of the above. Guess he really didn't feel like dealing with Thawne's shit

The parts are happening simultaneously

Yeah, I think this is one of those things up to the reader to decipher. Basically, he doesn't spend very long zapping the officers, meaning Green Arrow shows up REAL quick, and while they are "fighting", Barry is talking with his crew until he gets the message that Thawne is at CCPD. Still took him a weirdly long time to get there though

Probably wearing his suit without his speed 💀💀

@@-domonique-3968 yeah probably

Pretty sure a promotional poster showed him in them

He got them

he gets them in this episode

@T Bear You must not be a huge fan… dc has this thing called fandome were all that do for like 8 hours is talk news and special Announcements. And on that a few months ago they talked about him getting the golden boots this season

He got em this episode

Given that he’s a living paradox, he would find a way to comeback

Erin V123 yeah only way flash beat him was putting thawne back in the timeline

Plus they probably want to use thawne more

Is the reason why thawne hates Barry the same in the comics?

@@nothihing9406 yes

She’s skilled and Thawne only relies on his speed. It’s his life.

@@dylanposadas6415 he literally her heard her falling and not react the fuk

@@ellroyce I don’t know what you want me to say😐 Thawne was just nerfed then

@@dylanposadas6415 yeah man

@@godlyghost3111 U serious? He is being erased from the timeline

He wasn't looking to kill though

Is so Thawne

it was on purpose, he wasnt trying to kill mia he just wanted barrys attention

@@prismicle5572 he knows Barry won’t let his nephew die

moc-20*

Yep. Wait till the last... possible... secoops, too late. Oh well, too bad so sad.

@@amybruh3443 *mach 20

@@amybruh3443 mother - 20

He took that suit cuz barry have fresh dna with the speedforce

They stuck him in a big kid's costume lol The suit before was so badass

@@VaDeRbLaDe ikr Eople wanted him to get new suit in 7x18 episode now begging to get that back, like what the heck these people want

@@faiqamel4005 I want the suits to return to how they looked in season 4. Now everyone looks like they are in a cartoon show.

@@drlukas4242 actually people asked a thawne for new suit in 7x18, they just wanna complain asf

HASHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAH I CAN HONESTLY SEE THAT but dont mean leaves at Immeasurable speed *(Movement beyond linear time. This is why the speed cannot be measured. Given that S = D/T, if T is undefined the speed formula cannot be applied. This is the same reason why multiple temporal dimensions also grant immeasurable speed*

@@ADDISON6368 Weeeeell... The Flash in the comics people can go far beyond the Speed of Light and Race with others and etc But idk that much of physics

@@ADDISON6368 mans went into a physics lesson over a joke in the comment section

@@ADDISON6368 I mean, for a character where the laws of physics basically don't apply (I mean seriously, this guy goes against damn near everything we know to be true), I feel like you could probably say any arbitrarily high value and it'd still be correct.

@@DrPonk haha well be true because your right eh does.. so does barry.. so does most dc char lel i thought funny way make a joke...

I feel like in this scenario she thought she had him and he was just letting her do it as he waited for Flash. She caught him by surprise with the leg sweep from behind but after that he would've caught any arrow she shot or done anything he wanted to her, which he proved when he pinned her to the wall. Once Flash arrived he was still the only real danger to Thawn even when she did the dumb arrow thing

What was she supposed to do. Honestly it's like you just want her to stand their and be on her phone or something. Like theres a villain in front of her obviously anyone with even half a braincell would draw their weapon.

And that's exactly what happened

@@cosmicmaster1006 The smartest choice would be to not be there at all and not draw the attention of the guy who could grab your heart right out of your chest and bury it on the other side of the planet before it gets to its next beat.

@@DrPonk oh ok so she should just do nothing right got it. So why was Oliver there during 1x22. They are heroes, what else are they supposed to do. This is one of the dumbest complaints i have ever seen. So when Doomsday shows up, Batman shouldn't even try to stop him because obviously he'd get crushed. No he's still going to be there. When crisis happens should the non powered people like alex and wild dog and diggle just say screw it and not turn up just because they probably can't do some real damage. No, they are heroes and they're going to be there to fight. Why wouldn't she draw her weapon in this situation. In what universe would it be a bad idea to draw your weapon while you have a deadly super villain standing feet in front of you, raising his hands.

Through bad writing. I was thinking the same thing when mia flipped Thawne.

thawne was fading out of existence and his speed doesnt work all the time have u watched the episode?

@@Egan0 people will always hate

Idk how can a villain get away after turning a corner, BARRY?

@@Egan0 he was clearly fast enough to bitch slap her and pin her to a wall, but he couldn't dodge a sweepkick after she even gave away her position?

Yeah it’s so gay haven’t seen it since season 3 lol. I come to watch these clips to remind me to never go back to the CW.

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They will

I too am disappointed that never happened

He is a living paradox

there writers dont really care for established plot points. these are the same people that forgot a mind reader could read thawns mind last episode after literally proving she could do it with barry.

The only thing that would make sense, is that maybe his connection is corrupted to the Negative Speedforce, like in season 1, but I don't know. Havent seen the episode yet, just some speculations.

To borrow a term from Doctor Who, "Wibby-Wobbly, Timey-Wimey". Don't think about it too hard because the writers most certainly don't.

@@cylas8502 - To add to that, the version of Thawne that appeared in Legends Of Tomorrow's second season also once stated that he missed working with Caitlin and Cisco, despite having previously been plucked from the night of Nora Allen's murder and imprisoned in Barry's resultant "Flashpoint" timeline for 3 months.

right!

@SharkTank what… that was literally never said and never the case… he literally used his speed in this scene to phase his hand…

@@Uglyn1gga26 he can use his speed but the more he uses it the faster he gets erased. It was said in season 3 where the more Barry used his speed, the faster his memories got erased

@@gamesallaround7915 he literally was using his speed in the scene dumbass… so clearly that changes nothing he was getting erased in the same rate

Too bad he’s Reverse Flash, he’ll always be around

@@Spacemanfilms2002 So is Matt

@@TimeIllusions7 Matt is reverse flash, not Tom.

@@Spacemanfilms2002 Thats what I was trying to say, I thought you were saying Tom was reverse flash. Well technically they both are. Matt is just his original face

it isnt the arrowverse anymore

@@BlackbirdRX yeah, thats the sad thing nowadays.

But he no need to save thawne because I don’t kill you and I don’t save you

Thawne: I’m going to put some dirt in your eye.

He looks so good without the cowl

@@imstuff205 exactly, if they just change the shape of the back of his head and cheek sides, the suit will look mega comic book accurate

@@kolilmd9967maybe it’s not made for Tom… what if we get Matt back 😳 I’d love to see him again

watch the whole episode

@@Dog1167 yeah lol i just found out after watching some clips.

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For me, i just prefer how the older one looked generally, especially with the black on his hands and legs which were dope asf imo. Also i feel like this suit was made for Grant because it looked better on him than it did Tom

He didn't mean it I'm sure

this new suit is garbage no one wants a new suit for thawne

how do u like it lmao it looks like pajamas

lmfaooooo

@@zenqtickgaming2587 live action it is, but I read the comics

Wait you can’t see it today?

@@bonnetmak It doesnt release free until tomorrow at like 3 oclock in the morning

@@dascalamity2135 how do some people be watching it now cuz I wanna watch it

@@bonnetmak It airs on TV tonight but you can’t watch it until tomorrow if you don’t have the CW channel.

@@brianfeuerman1732 they lucky bruh I got the cw channel nd I still can’t watch it till tomorrow

The suit is tight