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The $5,000 Guitar Pedal RIPOFF... what have I DONE? 

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@MusicisWin
@MusicisWin 3 года назад
Glad to be back! Hope you enjoy this fun little video. Love you guys!
@vortex4344
@vortex4344 3 года назад
Does that program get me started on playing leads faster? Also idk why the website ain't loading
@baldbearded9601
@baldbearded9601 3 года назад
Good to see you back on your feet! Stay safe man! We need you for a few decades still 🤘
@declanl2167
@declanl2167 3 года назад
Welcome man
@mark65mc
@mark65mc 3 года назад
Just signed up. Paid for the full year and saved a little more. Thanks and Happy New Year!
@Jke-bg4yu
@Jke-bg4yu 3 года назад
Welcome back, looking quite well
@gavinpearcey
@gavinpearcey 3 года назад
It's almost like all pedals are made out of the same inexpensive resistors, capacitors, transistors and integrated circuits...
@rexterrocks
@rexterrocks 3 года назад
It's very true that when you look at the value of the components used there is a huge profit margin. I find it funny when it says 'hand-wired' as a selling point because even the cheapest 'made in China' are hand-wired and soldered.
@j_freed
@j_freed 3 года назад
Sort of! That's saying very little though. You sometimes look at a 2% difference that makes a difference. It's like with guitars, doing a fully proper nut and fully worked frets etc. makes the guitar physically 99.8% the same as before, but those piddling minor differences can have a lot of leverage in the overall usefulness of the gear (playability and tone.) Small physical differences are amplified, literally. Obviously, there's a 'mass' market for players of guitars who settle, eg. who always use the raw and rough factory setup and never try a good guitar tech. Then there's another 'boutique' market for guys who want all their guitars spot on, want to try every overdrive and compression pedal etc. The cheap guys save money and they also support the majority market.
@gavinpearcey
@gavinpearcey 3 года назад
@@j_freed there's a big difference between pedals and proper guitar finishing. Properly levelling the frets and filing the but and setting the action aren't mass producible things. A circuit board with solder in components is. All of the fine work is done once in the circuit design. There is no special soldering technique or way to wire a pot to the board to make these comparible.
@JaOzrenRadovanovic
@JaOzrenRadovanovic 3 года назад
@@gavinpearcey Filing the but!!! 😂🤣😂
@pahwraith
@pahwraith 3 года назад
@@j_freed but will anyone be able to tell after your sound is recorded and mixed? I doubt it. Which is why i buy cheap clone pedals
@wolfpac1970
@wolfpac1970 3 года назад
I noticed a slight difference, but not enough to justify paying $5000 over $29.
@cocosloan3748
@cocosloan3748 3 года назад
For his level - its Centaur or nothing at all! And you know what? He deserves it ! His ear is so bored of those imperfect pedals - he got 150 of them ! If he's satisfied with the richness of the sound - than his search for rich perfect sound pedal is over ! I was surprised that they cant make pedal with same sound with todays electronic parts - (close just doesn't cut it)
@SpacemanXC
@SpacemanXC 3 года назад
Too bad the graphics cards from Wish aren't as good as the pedals.
@dog61
@dog61 3 года назад
For his level, sure. But the klon clone pedal is 90% of the way there a fraction of the price. Great option for schmucks like me. :)
@SpacemanXC
@SpacemanXC 3 года назад
@@dog61 Nothing like poverty to drive the need for counterfeit goods. I love my SamChung Gallaxcy 8+. I use it to take pictures of my sweet Chibson Res Paur.
@johnyang799
@johnyang799 3 года назад
They are exactly the same. The first few parts the settings are not the same on both. Try closing your eyes after 6:52.
@douglasjarnagan3835
@douglasjarnagan3835 3 года назад
The smaller one sounds thinner. Sounds good, but the $5000 has a fuller sound. That said, I'd never spend $5000 on a pedal.
@anupjsebastian
@anupjsebastian 2 года назад
yeah the wampler tumnus is pretty much identical. The tumnus deluxe is even better. I wouldn’t say its cheap but it is priced normally.
@cristiangongola8138
@cristiangongola8138 2 года назад
@@anupjsebastian Thank you for your suggestion! It's good to know about these other options!
@LuiTunes
@LuiTunes 2 года назад
It doesn't sound $5000 fuller than the other one :P
@randylester8274
@randylester8274 2 года назад
@David Wang lol I have a investment you can buy at an awesome price I am selling all my shares of the Brooklyn bridge!!!! The word "Investment" is used to justify price in blatant ripoff. Any time someone mentions "Investment" while trying to sell RUN RUN RUN
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
The clone at the same knob setting was quieter. And louder will sound fuller. I bet if he had just cranked the volume of the clone slightly they'd be near identical.
@ericmacho7452
@ericmacho7452 Год назад
I'm 45, been playing guitar for 30 years. Immediately went to Wish and bought that Klon clone upon seeing this. It just arrived today and I am over the moon. LOVE this pedal. It's the sound I've been trying to create with my other pedals for 3 decades. Best $30 I've ever spent
@batsumoto
@batsumoto Год назад
Thank you Eric I'm ordering it right now
@ericmacho7452
@ericmacho7452 Год назад
@batsumoto I purchased a 2nd one. Both sound identical and work great. I cannot imagine how anyone would not be satisfied with the sound out of this thing for $30. Or $100 for that matter.
@-jank-willson
@-jank-willson Год назад
can you send link to the wish page?
@sittingduck4602
@sittingduck4602 3 года назад
"Someday we sell this and we go on vacation." - Tomo Fujita
@thatguitarist7
@thatguitarist7 3 года назад
The man with a plan
@ColdToiletSeats
@ColdToiletSeats 3 года назад
pretty sure wish just devalued the shit outta that pedal lol
@mattamagiera
@mattamagiera 3 года назад
The original is just so rich sounding. The wish one is quite tinny in comparison but still sounds pretty damn great for (lets call it) 30$
@ColdToiletSeats
@ColdToiletSeats 3 года назад
@@mattamagiera no doubt theirs a tiny ass difference but you can prolly tweak the amp a bit and get them even closer ... unless you're rich theirs no point in buying the real deal
@mattamagiera
@mattamagiera 3 года назад
@@ColdToiletSeats thats what I told myself when I clicked “buy now” lol
@Roomfulofgear
@Roomfulofgear 3 года назад
Honestly, when the drums kick in... nobody can tell the difference.
@1thess523
@1thess523 3 года назад
Or the bass 😂
@sparkyguitar0058
@sparkyguitar0058 3 года назад
That's why I'll keep my $85 modded Soul Food. May not be $5000 klon but sounds close enough especially when combined with modded Blues Driver or/and bias modded older Tube Driver.
@j_freed
@j_freed 3 года назад
@@sparkyguitar0058 - the funniest thing is guitar players try to 'clone' with the Klon, versus working with good stuuf that's accessible to them. 'No, this pedal will MAKE my sound dude!' - -Nobody notices or cares.
@dodmusic9255
@dodmusic9255 3 года назад
I bet some people cannot tell the difference when your Strat is in the middle position or neck position in a live setting.
@jonkuenning
@jonkuenning 3 года назад
Or in a P&W setting and guitars are almost mixed out completely haha
@misisipimike8020
@misisipimike8020 2 года назад
I can imagine having the cheap one on your board on stage at a club gig and having the whole board get stolen, all because someone mistakes a $29 pedal for the real thing
@-jank-willson
@-jank-willson Год назад
its too small compared to the original
@lionelanderson2368
@lionelanderson2368 Год назад
You just made a case to buy the $29 pedal. Imagine having the original one on your board on stage at a club gig and having the whole board get stolen....Take your pick. Given the choice, wouldn't you rather have them steal your entire board with the $29 pedal?
@misisipimike8020
@misisipimike8020 Год назад
@@lionelanderson2368 you’re not wrong
@christopherhansford6876
@christopherhansford6876 Год назад
Especially when they even copy the logo.
@mysteriousnova600
@mysteriousnova600 2 года назад
the $5000 one sounds like a slight amp adjustment away from the $30 one. As someone who collects things I know that it feels cool to own "the real deal" so it really comes down to if you have the excess cash to throw at it.
@reno145
@reno145 3 года назад
I would love to hear a demo where the cheap one claimed to be the real deal, and the real one was claimed to be the cheap one. At the end, reveal the switch and see how many people admit to bias of liking the cheap one just because they thought it was the expensive one.
@tboysrocknroll9252
@tboysrocknroll9252 3 года назад
Exactly...
@echoTVat
@echoTVat 3 года назад
I think you are right
@BlueTitan7
@BlueTitan7 3 года назад
You can tell it's darker and a bit muddy so to speak, but people do fall for the hype 100% correct. :)
@echoTVat
@echoTVat 3 года назад
@@BlueTitan7 I ordered the cheap one ....and payed 36 USD so I can test the clone "klone"...on my plexi next week.....I give you feedback what I think....i won't have no compairison with real 5000 usd pedal....but...i got afew old boosters and a solo dallas so i will hear a bit whats goin on
@backlogbuddies
@backlogbuddies 3 года назад
The clone sounded a bit muddy but i liked that sound a bit more.
@treetopjones737
@treetopjones737 3 года назад
Guitar shop sales guy: "OF COURSE the $5K one is BETTER."
@bassicly4250
@bassicly4250 3 года назад
@Rad!. wtf are you talking about ?
@Mephilis78
@Mephilis78 3 года назад
@Rad!. Don't worry, I know what you're talking about. I know why it's like that too.
@TheDilla
@TheDilla 3 года назад
@Rad!. go outside. take a walk. If that doesn't work seek help.
@messagedeleted1922
@messagedeleted1922 3 года назад
@Rad!. Yet you didn't go to the police? You protecting someone?
@MFKR696
@MFKR696 3 года назад
@@bassicly4250 I don't think even *he* knows what he's talking about lol.
@TheVoiceofUnreason
@TheVoiceofUnreason Год назад
I always find my Klon Clone to be the Centaur of attention at any gig.. 🧐
@squirtcobain477
@squirtcobain477 Год назад
👏👏
@johndextersantos9541
@johndextersantos9541 4 месяца назад
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@zizzinpuss
@zizzinpuss 4 месяца назад
Nice one:)
@pasqualegrieco9913
@pasqualegrieco9913 3 года назад
Actually if the circuit is the same and the components are the same then there's no difference between them. The little differences is due to capacitors tolerance (no capacitor can have an exact perfect value, but the value is in a little range around the target value) so the sum of all the caps imperfections gives to the pedal it's fingerprint. I mean, also two identical 5k pedals may sound a liiitle different
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
BINGO.
@stoneysdead689
@stoneysdead689 2 года назад
But they're not the same because the original Klon has a black gook that's put over the circuit boards to prevent ppl from doing precisely what you're saying. You can't see the circuits. That said- whoever made this one got really close by just listening it seems. There's a difference in the way they sound but- it's nowhere near the difference of what they cost. The problem is- now there are tons of Klon clones- how do I know if I'm getting this particular one?
@couscousdude2991
@couscousdude2991 2 года назад
@@stoneysdead689 the goop can and has been removed and there's klon schematics all over the internet. You could even build your own if you really wanted an exact circuit copy.
@stoneysdead689
@stoneysdead689 2 года назад
@@couscousdude2991 Yeah- now they have software too that will analyze the circuit for you- you don't even have to see it. I ended up buying a 23-dollar Mosky clone that sounds so much like this 7G pedal if you close your eyes, it's really hard to tell the difference. The original is a tad brighter but, that's about it. JHS did an online test with the two and the guys actually picked the Mosky as the one that sounded best when they didn't know which was which. I think the tone he's achieving in this video that I like so much has more to do with the amp and guitar he's using than necessarily this pedal.
@couscousdude2991
@couscousdude2991 2 года назад
@@stoneysdead689 Yeah, I also watched a video of someone profiling the KTR with the Neural DSP quad cortex neural capture and it got pretty close. Highs and mids were a little off but it's crazy how close it was in 1 tap.
@What_The_Heal
@What_The_Heal 3 года назад
Lol. They missed the chance to call this Klone.
@bleckybob
@bleckybob 3 года назад
I built one based off the original circuit a while back. Actually built two of them. And I included a katana modded clean boost in the beginning circuit, I called it the Klone. And use the Klondike logo over it
@jronjonnsen4947
@jronjonnsen4947 3 года назад
Klon is already clone in german.
@classicarchivegold8049
@classicarchivegold8049 3 года назад
@@TFT-bp8zk grow up, man. we're talking about guitar pedals from china here.
@DaroriDerEinzige
@DaroriDerEinzige 3 года назад
@@bleckybob Could you post your schematics somewhere? I would be kinda into that stuff, also because I've some Electrical Engineering Moduls in my Course and I think, many things you learn better/faster if you experiment with them. Thanks.
@bleckybob
@bleckybob 3 года назад
@@DaroriDerEinzige man I’m so sorry, it’s literally been 12 years...I have no idea where the schematics are. I think I printed them out. I sold both of them a while back too. :/ sorry mate
@samtertipis7219
@samtertipis7219 3 года назад
$5000 dollars for a pedal... I don't even have $29.
@jodymcdougle8810
@jodymcdougle8810 3 года назад
Me either, brother. What kinda gear are you using on such a budget?
@MusicisWin
@MusicisWin 3 года назад
DM me your address on Instagram @musiciswin I'll send you a Wish Klon
@ChichIndustries
@ChichIndustries 3 года назад
@@MusicisWin ur the goat
@christerolsborg7797
@christerolsborg7797 3 года назад
@@MusicisWin thats awesome 😄
@joetarry9059
@joetarry9059 3 года назад
@@MusicisWin what a king !
@electricladdyland
@electricladdyland 2 года назад
You need to do a blind AB test. You're playing harder on the Klon for starters. Also knob position will not equate - go by ear. Level was lower on smaller pedal with same knob position. I'm not sure there's any significant difference between the two.
@nicwilson89
@nicwilson89 Год назад
Yea, the tolerance on component values will mean that you can not set the knobs to the same position and get exactly the same sound, it'd even still be slightly different if you cherry picked parts between two real klons, whether or not it'd be perceptible to the ear. You can use much more expensive .1% components but that's a massive waste of money and would lead to a massive build cost. Gotta play around with the knobs to find the same sorta sounds between the two
@Silicon_Audio_Labs
@Silicon_Audio_Labs Год назад
There's a slight volume discrepancy due to one pedal being plugged into the other. Once you adjust the klone up a couple dB it matches exactly. I own both BTW.
@fredzep01
@fredzep01 Год назад
I thought that exact thing, you can't have the dials set at the same level, they will have definite discrepancies in their output levels. I thought if he levelled them properly, they would have been almost the same, just like you said yourself.
@XxStonedImmaculatexX
@XxStonedImmaculatexX Год назад
That’s actually a good point especially for the original although isn’t it supposed to have a built in buffer? Or both have buffers if they’re supposed to be the same? I think a better test would have been to have each tested individually instead of having them on a single chain.
@jlindsay0709
@jlindsay0709 Год назад
On top of it Josh from JHS makes the point that the part tolerances are going to be different. You can’t just make them sound the same by using the same the setting. This even goes comparing a real Klon to another real Klon. They are going sound different until you dial them in. A klon or now even a KTR are just collectors items. There is nothing mystical about the Klon. Talked with an electrician engineer and talked about Bill’s story about the rare Russian diodes that he has. He just started laughing at the whole idea. So the only great thing about a real Klon is the origin story you get to tell as a collector.
@dewil7313
@dewil7313 Год назад
@@XxStonedImmaculatexX It does have a buffer yes, and I bet the clone has aswel.
@velcroapple6813
@velcroapple6813 3 года назад
Might call this a Klon Artist. I’ll see myself out...
@Roberto06111
@Roberto06111 3 года назад
looooooooooooooooooooool
@fish-typething6639
@fish-typething6639 3 года назад
He has reached comedy.
@seongomez4903
@seongomez4903 3 года назад
Well done
@Kpapa91
@Kpapa91 3 года назад
One may also say that there have been klon artists for... Centauries.
@sweetdrahthaar7951
@sweetdrahthaar7951 3 года назад
You really should win some thing for that comment👍🏻
@peik5569
@peik5569 3 года назад
The $30 one sounds close enough for me lol
@midnightshroud527
@midnightshroud527 3 года назад
Absolutely agree. And I'm not even lol.
@sweetdrahthaar7951
@sweetdrahthaar7951 3 года назад
Can’t you just bump the treble on the amp or guitar and get back with the fake one lacks?
@rdds4108
@rdds4108 3 года назад
Me too lol
@zeke_meyer
@zeke_meyer 3 года назад
Sounds good enough for the audience at least
@benterpsma8469
@benterpsma8469 3 года назад
Yup!
@drumbyte
@drumbyte 3 года назад
Fantastic job! Great delivery and humor as well!
@MarkToast99
@MarkToast99 3 года назад
The Wish pedal is missing something, but it's not missing THE something that makes this pedal so captivating. I can't believe there's actually something on Wish that sounds this good
@moreblack
@moreblack 3 года назад
Ikwym, it sounds "smaller" but on stage with the amp cranked, that's not gonna matter.
@rookmaster7502
@rookmaster7502 2 года назад
Essentially it has the same electronics as the original, so a very similar sound is to be expected. And as the original didn't contain any unusually expensive electronic components, copies of it don't cost much to make.
@-jank-willson
@-jank-willson Год назад
@@rookmaster7502 there are special diodes in the original klon that are hard to find nowadays. All the klon clones (klones...?) like this one that you can buy for cheap use modern diodes that are made differently, that is why they have a thinner sound than the original klon.
@dickgitaar2012
@dickgitaar2012 Год назад
Try a Mosky even cheaper, Try a TC Electronic... even better than the original...
@carsonthompson8637
@carsonthompson8637 3 года назад
Tomo: has expensive overdrive pedal Also Tomo: always plays clean
@Floydandsome
@Floydandsome 3 года назад
bruh moment
@j_freed
@j_freed 3 года назад
Overdrive is the gateway pedal to distortion, yes?
@okalright3941
@okalright3941 3 года назад
@@j_freed no. Over drive is it's own unique sound and so is distortion. Over drive does as the name suggests and over drives the amp making a unique sound. Distortion just distorts the sound
@CrazyCow500
@CrazyCow500 3 года назад
play as good as Tomo and all you'll need a guitar and an amp
@leehanson1416
@leehanson1416 3 года назад
1. He's Tomo. He got his Klon at retail, because Tomo. 2. Tomo has clean, and then he has "clean", which the very edge of distortion.
@JakeGiguere
@JakeGiguere 3 года назад
Glad you’re better Tyler 🤘🏻just came from the Instagram livestream
@StamateTudorGuitar
@StamateTudorGuitar 3 года назад
Did he have Covid?
@snow15243
@snow15243 3 года назад
@@StamateTudorGuitar yep.
@JakeGiguere
@JakeGiguere 3 года назад
@@StamateTudorGuitar He had extensive Covid pneumonia
@jhonatas5104
@jhonatas5104 3 года назад
I had no idea, I am glad he is doing better... stay safe everyone
@JeanFrancoisDesrosiers
@JeanFrancoisDesrosiers 3 года назад
I bought a DIY kit a while back of that circuit, same enclosure as shown, built it, it sounds awesome.
@277southtombob
@277southtombob 2 года назад
The cheap one isn’t bad at all. I actually like the Klon for the cleaner tones, if you have a amp with a good clean channel they’re really transparent for crunchy sounds and the Wish on did very well on the lower gain setting.
@raspberryjuiceentertainmen719
@raspberryjuiceentertainmen719 3 года назад
“Don’t judge the centaur by the size of his sword” amen brother
@oFFtheWall518
@oFFtheWall518 3 года назад
That's not a euphemism.
@raspberryjuiceentertainmen719
@raspberryjuiceentertainmen719 3 года назад
@@oFFtheWall518 anything can be a euphemism if your minds dirty enough
@creamydistortion
@creamydistortion 3 года назад
These big ทiออะrs!!
@jduke916
@jduke916 3 года назад
I love how Tomo has a klon, yet only plays clean tones.
@ronaldessi
@ronaldessi 3 года назад
He does use it actually, you mostly see him using clean cause it's the easiest for students to follow
@stanislavmigra
@stanislavmigra 3 года назад
and?
@admirable_kon5083
@admirable_kon5083 3 года назад
If you listen to his albums, like Put On Your Funk Face, you'll hear him playing overdriven Funky music quite often. I don't think Tomo pushed that gain knob really high, like Tyler does, though.
@BrySquatch
@BrySquatch 9 месяцев назад
I bought the Wish pedal after this video and haven’t looked back. It really sounds amazing. I even bought a Wampler Tumnus and a Mythos Mjolnir (both $200 pedals) to try “upgrading” from it but it turns out I like the Wish Klone better 😅 It just sounds really open with a sparkly upper range and a warm rich lower midrange that sounds great with any guitar just feels so good to play. You did a public service with this video. Wish ain’t no joke! 🤘🤘
@ryanguffy4739
@ryanguffy4739 9 дней назад
Thanks for posting this comparison, I was wondering how it stacked up against the Wampler.
@rickhill6277
@rickhill6277 Год назад
I know it’s been a year but I got turned on to this Wish Pedal about 6mos ago and I paid $65 including shipping and it’s Great! Always On! Thanks man please keep up the Good Work. Love your channel and content! Cheers from Salem, Ohio.
@Monter_Man
@Monter_Man 3 года назад
Two days out of the hospital and he’s already being a mad guitar scientist.
@chowder1272
@chowder1272 3 года назад
Maybe this was just an unfinished video that he worked on before he got the virus.
@OriginalKingRichTv
@OriginalKingRichTv 3 года назад
@@chowder1272 he got the virus😮
@elliotfletcher8842
@elliotfletcher8842 3 года назад
@@santafemikez9694 More like dexametalzone, amirite
@FakingANerve
@FakingANerve 3 года назад
I don't think I would ever be able to justify spending $5000 on a pedal. It sounds great, but it sure as shit doesn't sound "$5000 great." 😬
@WhiteCranK
@WhiteCranK 3 года назад
True!
@d24isDURIAN
@d24isDURIAN 3 года назад
If it has good resale value then you can always make some of that money back, Maybe even more.
@freedustin
@freedustin 3 года назад
@@d24isDURIAN that's a big if. if it takes years to sell, you wasted a lot of time for a tiny profit. not worth it.
@Lawrence330
@Lawrence330 3 года назад
@@d24isDURIAN That's prospecting, and it's garbage. It drives up demand and takes useable products out of the market so "investors" can resell them to other "investors" like a Ponzi scheme. They literally wrote a whole Toy Story movie about it. Pedals just wanna be played, man. I'm hoping that the market will fall apart for vintage 60s cars and guitars and whatelse like it (mostly) has for 30s and 40s relics. All these people buying up stuff from their "glory days" hoping to sell it to other nostalgic fools....yeah, those people are dying, Gen X'ers don't remember that stuff, they have their own nostalgia. The market moves and a whole lot of somebodies are going to be left holding the bag at the end. I have a bud with a fully functional Model T that he couldn't sell for more than my Jetta, anyone who kissed a girl in one in high school is long dead, now!
@TranscendentBen
@TranscendentBen 3 года назад
If I ever pay that much for a pedal it better come with AT LEAST one PRS guitar.
@Ppuffdiddleydangdoof
@Ppuffdiddleydangdoof 2 года назад
That was one of the most informative (and funny) videos I've ever watched. First, your tones are absolutely gorgeous. Second, I found myself nearly salivating about owning a real one, it sounds so good. But the differences between it and the clone are so small, I could never spend $5k for the original. This is like when Andertons compared a $7,000 Les Paul against a $700 Epiphone. Was there a difference? Yes. Was it worth spending the extra $6,300? Not really, unless you're a rich rock star. We're so lucky to have so many smart, talented people on the web teaching. It's awesome when they're also hilarious, (see Greg Koch)! Thanks Tyler! And you may have a side career as a stunt double for John Leguizamo. You look like his younger brother.
@FrankJmClarke
@FrankJmClarke 2 года назад
They sound most similar with the knobs on 10, so the main difference may well be the taper of the pots. So 12 O'clock on one is 10 O'clock on the other perhaps.
@StaticFanfare
@StaticFanfare 3 года назад
The wish pedal actually sounds fine, not nearly as good as the real one of course but it surprised me.
@FlorentChardevel
@FlorentChardevel 3 года назад
Better value for the price, easily.
@albineriksson1641
@albineriksson1641 3 года назад
@@FlorentChardevel but is it 120 times better? i mean it's kinda insane with the price difference
@StaticFanfare
@StaticFanfare 3 года назад
@@FlorentChardevel Exactly, there's no way ANY guitar pedal is truly worth five grand. The real deal only sounds a bit better than the J. Rockett Archer in my opinion.
@onitvideoproductioncharles9102
@onitvideoproductioncharles9102 3 года назад
@@StaticFanfare yep
@HigherPlanes
@HigherPlanes 3 года назад
If that pedal company were smart they would have put out a real $5,000 pedal and a fake $29.95 dollar pedal that looks and sounds exactly like the real pedal.
@CarlosVargas-cn7rx
@CarlosVargas-cn7rx 3 года назад
Last hour news: Klon Centaur prices drops to $1000 and Wish Klone prices increaces to $50
@ethanjohnson8958
@ethanjohnson8958 3 года назад
6:33 that guitar tone is angelic!! I don’t think I’ve ever gotten chills from a guitar tone before.
@chrisose
@chrisose 2 года назад
The difference in sound is likely down to the quality of a couple of relatively cheap components. Certainly not enough to justify the premium price point on the Klon.
@natebeattie8945
@natebeattie8945 2 года назад
That's the part that boggles my mind. When all components are made to such high tolerances, how do they even sound different?
@chrisose
@chrisose 2 года назад
@@natebeattie8945 Actually, all electronics are not created equal. You can get parts with higher tolerances (more accurate) and it is known that some manufacturers components just don't meet their published specs. The difference of a couple of percent in a component can make a huge difference.
@pyromaniak678
@pyromaniak678 3 года назад
There's a difference for sure, but talk about diminishing returns
@zachshipstead5247
@zachshipstead5247 3 года назад
lol, yeah. $4950 for a slightly brighter tone when there is no bass, no drums, and I'm looking directly at which pedal is on.
@behemothokun
@behemothokun 3 года назад
Yes. Tbh, unless in a direct comparison, I don't think I or most people for that matter can tell the difference. Good luck hearing it in a mix or live Band setting and be able to tell whether or not an original is doing the work.
@nostringsattachedmusic
@nostringsattachedmusic 3 года назад
For sure, and add to that: good luck hearing it in a live mix and knowing whether it's any Klon, or some other pedal, or a digital modeling thingy.
@j_freed
@j_freed 3 года назад
Everything with instruments is diminishing returns. People are analyzing this "joke" video in such a silly, reductive way. I bet 70% of them are listening to the audio comparison on the tinny, hyped-up speaker of a handheld device. 🤦‍♂️
@segazora
@segazora 3 года назад
*distortion* : 'this is my clean sound'
@freddyhamel9921
@freddyhamel9921 3 года назад
I lol'd at that too. Clean is relative ok?
@thesociophobe8425
@thesociophobe8425 3 года назад
That's mostly what I use a Klon for, my "clean" tone just breaking up and getting slightly dirty.
@mvyper
@mvyper 3 года назад
Where is his beard?
@JohnShalamskas
@JohnShalamskas 3 года назад
@@thesociophobe8425 Most people probably use their klon in this way - as a clean boost (low pedal gain) with some mid push in the EQ. There are many better sounding distortion pedals.
@thesociophobe8425
@thesociophobe8425 3 года назад
@@JohnShalamskas I run the Klon a bit dirty so it's not a clean boost, but it then goes into an OCD for overdrive, a Rat for distortion or a Russian Big Muff for fuzz. My "clean" tone is relatively distorted to start with because of the Klon, but it's just one of 12 pedals in the chain.
@partriotsfight5039
@partriotsfight5039 2 года назад
Its pretty amazing what you can do with an MXR 10 band paired with the Klon Clone. I bet with minor tweaking you can get the tone identical to any ear.
@cruzdaniels
@cruzdaniels 2 года назад
I bought one of the Wish “Klones” and it has become a mainstay on my pedalboard. I tend to use it with the gain maxed and the treble set around 1-2 o’clock. It’s perfect for modern rock. If I need something milder for classic rock or oldies a Boss Super Overdrive gets it done. The Wish klone is a solid, great sounding distortion pedal. If it broke I would buy another.
@choi8611
@choi8611 3 года назад
“And some day we sell this and go to vacation”
@gottab5381
@gottab5381 3 года назад
I’m the 100th like!!!!!
@jmtrainz2582
@jmtrainz2582 3 года назад
No, buy a car!
@Noumenon4Idolatry
@Noumenon4Idolatry 3 года назад
Buy a plane.
@doctiberius2717
@doctiberius2717 3 года назад
😫Clone sniffer !
@chriss9340
@chriss9340 3 года назад
Unless you actually have both to tell the difference, you would never know. The poor man wins.
@Lawrence330
@Lawrence330 3 года назад
And what are the odds that a) people can pick it out in a mix, and b0) most of your audience cares or even knows about pedals? Poor man wins, indeed. My most expensive pedal was $200 new, and most of the rest were $30. I'll pay a company (or a person) for good work, but prospecting is a non-value-added activity, and I try hard to not support it.
@cozy_af2090
@cozy_af2090 2 года назад
Imagine paying 5K for a pedal, thinking that's the one thing that'll bring it all together.
@kopernikusmusic
@kopernikusmusic Год назад
Then you buy another fuzz or tremolo
@iainbeattie7720
@iainbeattie7720 Год назад
Hahahaha.. This actaully made me lol. 'Yes, this is the one thing that's gona get me where I need to be'
@G_Demolished
@G_Demolished Год назад
Like when Shane Gillis thought he was one Dominican barber shop visit away from looking good.
@sotiristsamandanis6424
@sotiristsamandanis6424 Год назад
It's your hands and soul that bring it together
@bennettshapiro2965
@bennettshapiro2965 2 года назад
I love my $20 Mosky Klon clone. Does it sound exactly like a vintage Klon? I have absolutely no idea. Do I love the sound I get out of it? Absolutely. I had a client in the studio the other day who tried it out, and ran out and bought one himself. So, it's not just me. I constantly think of Duke Ellington when it comes to stuff like this. He said, "if it sounds good, it is good." I try to let that be my guiding principle.
@emielv7677
@emielv7677 3 года назад
It doesn't sound all that bad actually 🤷‍♂️
@richardwilliams3497
@richardwilliams3497 3 года назад
If you’re not looking at the screen you can barely tell the difference honestly
@emielv7677
@emielv7677 3 года назад
@@richardwilliams3497 well. There's definitely a difference. But it doesn't sound bad 🤷‍♂️
@tommj4365
@tommj4365 3 года назад
I preferred the Chinese one at the highest knob settings, as it was warmer and less fizzy, but on the other examples it sounded dull and less dynamic compared to the original. Not so much that a few minutes more tweaking would get much closer though
@qwertpoiuy430
@qwertpoiuy430 3 года назад
Honestly it sounded pretty weak compared to the original one. It was not as punchy, almost anemic. And it was very messy when a lot was going on. Having said this, 29 bucks is definitely cheap enough to make it a great deal.
@b0iledb4bies
@b0iledb4bies 3 года назад
if it was worth 5,000 dollars then i feel like it shouldnt just sound "okay" or "not that bad" it should sound a m a z i n g
@andrewsalterhobart
@andrewsalterhobart 3 года назад
I had two original Klons during the day and they sounded as different as those two.
@larrybethune3909
@larrybethune3909 3 года назад
Da'faq? Where's my Wish app?
@j_freed
@j_freed 3 года назад
That's hilarious, and relevant. "Stop merely doing what other people do, just see why they do it and then do what's working for you."
@classicarchivegold8049
@classicarchivegold8049 3 года назад
Good point. It's like anything, even identical twins are not the same. Everything a little different. When mama makes gumbo, it's always good, but sometimes she uses a little more spice, depending on her mood, even though it's that same damn gumbo recipe. Let's just see these pedals live in a room. I want to hear that on a big stage, then we'll know if these clones really cut the mustard or this is just some kind of trick from wish---maybe buy two of these clones and compare them to your klons, then compare the two clones against each other. let's see how well these Chinese manufacturers have this down to a science.
@sgredsch
@sgredsch 3 года назад
im interested in how you know they sounded different when this is over the internet over a different guitar and a different amp.
@vandal_dk
@vandal_dk 3 года назад
@@sgredsch If you have two and they don’t sound the same, that’s what different means.
@fuzzfrancis435
@fuzzfrancis435 3 года назад
Just got mine in today from Wish, and it is one of the best overdrive pedals I have ever used. UPDATE.. the thing finally died. Started making all sorts of noise then poof!! Oh well I still have my Mosky Golden Horse.
@Johnrack
@Johnrack 2 года назад
Take it to a tech and have it repaired.
@jacksonreazin6042
@jacksonreazin6042 2 года назад
No doubt it could be repaired. Wanna try it?
@dallasslim1838
@dallasslim1838 Год назад
Absolutely love your shirt!
@NRVOUS-
@NRVOUS- 3 года назад
I dont think anyone is gonna be able to tell the difference in a mix. 29$ all day
@guitarz99
@guitarz99 3 года назад
nobody in the crowd will notice or care
@MirlitronOne
@MirlitronOne 3 года назад
I always thought it sounded about $30 good, but then, I build most of my own pedals.
@j.r.r.tolkee7000
@j.r.r.tolkee7000 3 года назад
The good news is that you can resell the Klon for a bonkers profit.
@TheCleansingx
@TheCleansingx 3 года назад
if anybody is buying yea
@anthonynicholson5523
@anthonynicholson5523 3 года назад
Not after this video
@mr.fancypants698
@mr.fancypants698 3 года назад
Why is it worth 5k?! It's not like it was used by Kurt Cobain or anything, and I can get that same tone outta a boss blues driver, or super over drive...🤔🤨
@sparkyguitar0058
@sparkyguitar0058 3 года назад
@@mr.fancypants698 Cause it's a "KLON"!
@mr.fancypants698
@mr.fancypants698 3 года назад
@@sparkyguitar0058 Explain the hype to me, about "KLON"... Because, as I said before, you can get that same tone, and it's under $100bucks, by boss pedals.
@buster7345
@buster7345 3 года назад
6:42 that lick jeez cant stop listening to it
@lmesfin10
@lmesfin10 3 года назад
Same
@johnny41315
@johnny41315 2 года назад
What a great video dude.
@thedaver8
@thedaver8 3 года назад
"Someday we sell this and go on vacation." LOL Tomo is a savage!
@mickmay630
@mickmay630 3 года назад
I read your comment like, right when he said that
@rkelly62
@rkelly62 Год назад
I bought a kit on Amazon for around $40. Upgraded the diodes, charge pump and some of the caps and it sounds great. Cost me around < $50 all together.
@saxonsteve
@saxonsteve 8 месяцев назад
Hello! Tell me more about this Kit and how u changed out those things for an upgrade.
@rkelly62
@rkelly62 8 месяцев назад
@@saxonsteve The kit is from ama zon (TTONE Klone Vintage Metal Pedal Enclosure Overdrive). The parts upgrades were things that I have from other builds that I do. Parts that I know are really good quality from StompBox Parts. I used 1N34A diodes that I really like. Other KLONE builds I have done, I have also used D9Es. I also used a LT1054 charge pump, again from StompBox and I swapped out the Treble 3n9 cap for a 6n8 for a warmer tone response. I wish the kit had a parts list and better wiring diagram, but overall, it sounds great!
@markrogers9326
@markrogers9326 2 года назад
Thanks for your review. I guess the subtle differences between two pedals is enough to make one stand out compared to the other.
@kellykent131
@kellykent131 3 года назад
Tyler, you were sick with Covid and pneumonia? Dude I’m sorry. You sound well on this video. Get better and get some rest my friend. Happy New Year to you and Bethany.
@TheSaxyG
@TheSaxyG 3 года назад
It's okay, he HAD to disregard all health and safety guidelines for the LIKES and the SUBS!!!! Literally, he'll want his simps/subs around him just to keep the deafening silence of his own mediocre talent from killing him.
@gordontubbs
@gordontubbs 3 года назад
When you think of it as a "K-style overdrive" it makes the cut, hands down.
@autistichead8137
@autistichead8137 3 года назад
Exactly
@barnics
@barnics 3 года назад
Pretty good for
@django-unchained
@django-unchained 3 года назад
Yes a clear difference with the Chinese replica being more compressed and less overtone-shime. But the difference varies from settings. Very very interesting comparison. And the difference in most places is vague and up to the players fingers.
@ernestfoss1968
@ernestfoss1968 2 года назад
My friend, and Rhythm guitarist played his Klon "clone" we stacked it up against many overdrives, trying to get "His Sound". I was surprised, and It was immediately apparent, It was the most transparent, and it went from low overdrive, to medium ,to high overdrive it is"Amp sounding"
@MarySpender
@MarySpender 3 года назад
God damn boy. Crushing it when you SHOULD BE IN BED RESTING. Killer work. x
@josephsdsu1
@josephsdsu1 3 года назад
Why resting? Was he sick?
@paweorszulik1511
@paweorszulik1511 3 года назад
@@josephsdsu1 yes, covid :/
@at0mbalm
@at0mbalm 3 года назад
@@josephsdsu1 Covid
@fistinair1979
@fistinair1979 3 года назад
@@josephsdsu1 he was in the ICU with Covid
@louiehamel7675
@louiehamel7675 3 года назад
Goes to show, this is what RU-vid means to him. Gotta say, I respect that a ton. Appreciate the dedication Tyler.
@lukemadden4434
@lukemadden4434 3 года назад
This man has been out of ICU for less than a week and is already making videos, such dedication
@peterwinters8587
@peterwinters8587 3 года назад
what happened?
@jeffdubuque5622
@jeffdubuque5622 3 года назад
i did`ent know he was down with the sickness.
@lukemadden4434
@lukemadden4434 3 года назад
@@peterwinters8587 he had covid and was in ICU for a while
@peterwinters8587
@peterwinters8587 3 года назад
@@lukemadden4434 thanx for update
@Forest_Fifer
@Forest_Fifer 3 года назад
Probably recorded beforehand.
@jalmonsalmon
@jalmonsalmon 2 года назад
I built 2 about 6 years ago with the now almost impossible to find OA126 Telefunken diodes. Amazing pedals and cost me maybe $37 or so each to build : )
@makogearsolid8002
@makogearsolid8002 Год назад
Any chance u have schematics or anything to help, I’ve always wanted to learn how to build a pedal
@jalmonsalmon
@jalmonsalmon Год назад
@@makogearsolid8002 StuMac has a nice klon kit you should try!
@makogearsolid8002
@makogearsolid8002 Год назад
@@jalmonsalmon thanks brother
@saxonsteve
@saxonsteve 8 месяцев назад
Hello! I found these diodes. Can you suggest anything else? Thanks 😊
@johnhuteson5627
@johnhuteson5627 Год назад
Just got my Wish pedal in the mail today. Can’t wait to try it out when I get home. And at Sundays jam session. Hooking it up to my Peavy 1,000 watt bass amp plugged into my Rickenbacker 325
@ebaythedrummer4644
@ebaythedrummer4644 3 года назад
Are we just not going to talk about his shirt saying "Insane klon possie"
@Ndlanding
@Ndlanding 3 года назад
I appreciated it. Just didn't think to mention it, much like I don't often mention newsreaders' cleavages. Especially the men's. oh, sorry. Are they called "anchors" now? Whatever.
@ericwaltersmith
@ericwaltersmith 3 года назад
I want the shirt!!
@Ndlanding
@Ndlanding 3 года назад
@John's Candy I meant the newsreaders, not the jugs.
@justinlawesome
@justinlawesome 3 года назад
Whoop whoop
@creamydistortion
@creamydistortion 3 года назад
The ICP uses $5,000 pedals in their music.
@lukeempson7517
@lukeempson7517 3 года назад
Welcome back!!! So glad to see ya up and healthy again!! Love from Sweden and all the family! Stay safe, you and Bethany!
@jordandavison1424
@jordandavison1424 3 года назад
When he turned up the gain and treble I got chills in my spine
@johnwelsh5591
@johnwelsh5591 2 года назад
The real one is slightly boomier, but I feel like you could probably add a little reverb on the cheap one and have a sound that is indistinguishable by almost anyone
@filtertheblood
@filtertheblood 3 года назад
95% as good as the original I'd say.. Im buying one after seeing this.
@lassiejr2115
@lassiejr2115 3 года назад
Yeah I don't even play Guitar buy I know a deal when I see It > I can double my money >Or pawn it off as an original >
@beigela
@beigela 3 года назад
@@lassiejr2115 ew
@mikeryan2454
@mikeryan2454 3 года назад
I was like "yeah it's pretty damn good but why not just buy the TC Mojo Mojo for the same price". ..then I heard the cleanup test and now I'm for sure putting one on my board.
@lowkeykeylow5526
@lowkeykeylow5526 3 года назад
@@lassiejr2115 don't be a scumbag
@tbone8358
@tbone8358 3 года назад
@@lowkeykeylow5526 just report him for “spam/scam etc” It’s definitely not legal to sell clones off as “the real deal”
@AlexIsiv
@AlexIsiv 3 года назад
the differences are so small that you can make the bootleg version sound just like the original with just a few eq corrections in post production.
@visiontranscend60
@visiontranscend60 3 года назад
Exactly. The actual drive part is identical.
@phryge2468
@phryge2468 3 года назад
What are you listening to this through? You cant add eq to make up for lost transients or less harmonics. If the only thing you're hearing differently is muddiness or an eq curve, you need to listen on something more transparent.
@visiontranscend60
@visiontranscend60 3 года назад
@@phryge2468 the breakup is about identical.within 99 percent accuracy. What Alex is referring to is slightly different frequency curves heard. But not really any differences in dynamics or characteristics of harmonics other than very microscopic variations in the timbre of the harmonics. And any such differences may just be due to different ages of components within the devices. Getting an accurate clone of a brand new Klon and done in china is not hard to do. They are also cloning EMG pickups now dead on by using the same materials.
@j_freed
@j_freed 3 года назад
DEPENDS. You can't make up lack of complexity using EQ.
@visiontranscend60
@visiontranscend60 3 года назад
@@j_freed lack of complexity was not what needed to be made up for. Tibral content is the same or close enough that one can't tell. The only possible issue we are hearing is potential amplitude of certain frequencies. Ironically enough, to me the clone sounds better.
@TomGlander
@TomGlander 3 года назад
"Tone is in the ear of the beholder." Never were truer words spoken.
@gmanchefboy
@gmanchefboy 3 года назад
It didn't sound like a 5k vs $39, more like a $225 vs $39. Funny and informative....love it.
@johnhorgash9031
@johnhorgash9031 3 года назад
Just got my Klon Centaur clone today through Wish. I wasn't expecting much at all. All I have to say is holy...........mackerel!!!! This thing is sweet! The Other overdrives and distortions that I have don't allow the voice of the guitar to come through the effect. This Klon clone is just fantastic! Its not too overdriven but not fuzzy at all. This is the sound I have been trying to find for 45 years! I'm blown away!
@jesuslovesyou2616
@jesuslovesyou2616 2 года назад
Jesus Christ died for your sinsss
@johnhorgash9031
@johnhorgash9031 2 года назад
@@jesuslovesyou2616 Yes He did! And I am very very grateful!!
@dej69
@dej69 2 года назад
@@jesuslovesyou2616 there is no bearded guy in the sky lol
@louiscyfer6944
@louiscyfer6944 2 года назад
i am surprised you didn't get the wampler tumnus. it consistently beats the real klon in blind tests. i had a real one. got the tumnus and sold the real one. they are almost identical bit the tumnus is a little fuller on the bottom.
@johnhorgash9031
@johnhorgash9031 2 года назад
@@louiscyfer6944 I just took a chance on the clone and I really like it. It may be that my Peavey amp is a bit bottom heavy and lacks a bit of treble.I did consider the Tumnus but went for the clone instead.
@brodykrafka
@brodykrafka 3 года назад
My wife got me a Klon clone for Christmas. Retails for $59 and sounds so good.
@namnworbyargaming
@namnworbyargaming 3 года назад
Which one is it?
@brodykrafka
@brodykrafka 3 года назад
@@namnworbyargaming the Nu-X Horseman. So far I’ve been running it as a clean boost at little to no gain. But when you get anywhere from like 2/3 to full gain, the drive truly kicks ass.
@CyberChrist
@CyberChrist 3 года назад
She's a keeper ^^
@Louis_Velliotes
@Louis_Velliotes 3 года назад
nice wife
@ROVAKAN
@ROVAKAN 3 года назад
you have a cool wife man , buy her a drink
@chrislangdell117
@chrislangdell117 3 года назад
Crazy. But the original klon has so much more harmonics stacked up ontop of each other. Almost like it has half of an Octavia pedal in there. Maybe a double stack pot. Feeding the clean signal through clean and the overdrive signal through with some sort of harmonic treble booster / clean booster. There is still a ton of difference. Especially through a set of quality headphones
@thomaslearn1136
@thomaslearn1136 Год назад
I just got my "Wish Klone" today... I gotta say it's not bad at all! It sweetens the front end of the crunch channel on my DSL40 in an awesome way and in front of the OD channel some kind of black magic happens! I highly recommend getting yourself one if you're even a little curious. Got mine for $36 shipped...
@kylemohney7552
@kylemohney7552 3 года назад
Perfect for gigging without risking losing an extra $5k if your gear gets stolen
@BossHossGuitars
@BossHossGuitars 3 года назад
My thoughts exactly
@titaseafell6520
@titaseafell6520 3 года назад
4:40 -"This is my clean sound" - Strums some heavily overdriven chords
@armandomorales3809
@armandomorales3809 3 года назад
I hate how much compression and eq they do makes the ability to tell the difference harder.
@BrimElland
@BrimElland 3 года назад
Right. I guess he had a 5 watt tv amp on 11
@mvyper
@mvyper 3 года назад
He just has to grow a beard, now. 😂
@garybackstrom183
@garybackstrom183 3 года назад
Ok I thought the same When I show a clean tone it’s a very clear bell like tone No overdrive
@JohnShalamskas
@JohnShalamskas 3 года назад
I completely agree, I hate when reviewers never demonstrate a CLEAN clean tone first (*cough* Chapman *cough*.) Yeah, I get it, this pedal is usually used to push an already breaking up amp into harder breakup, but we also want to hear what the pedal is doing to a CLEAN tone as well. Otherwise you are only demoing your amp and not the pedal.
@ianthekirkland
@ianthekirkland Год назад
@Luke Hill and others...Agreed. The differences are subtle, but "one dimensional" is an apt description for the cheaper one. It just feels like the expensive box has richer harmonic layering, particularly at the high end. I think the more important question regards production: If your mics, mic'ing, mix, or mastering suck, neither pedal is going to sound $5,000-awesome. If you can't properly capture and commit that sound then why bother with the price tag?
@sytonblack
@sytonblack 3 года назад
That finger stuck under the string made me laugh so hard I was literally suffocating. You got me, I subscribed. xD
@jasonstone1046
@jasonstone1046 3 года назад
You're also running a buffered signal from the wish klone into the centaur itself which makes a subtle difference in tone itself. Great comparison!!
@limpneckmike
@limpneckmike 3 года назад
The actual klon has a little more clarity, but it’s definitely not worth spending $5,000 to get that clarity.
@liamplunkett5100
@liamplunkett5100 3 года назад
Its not really about the sound with the pedal anymore. It's more about the flex
@tony_dms350
@tony_dms350 6 месяцев назад
I’m reading comments considering the wish Klon sounding slightly thinner or duller…first of all the difference even in this RU-vid video to my ears and with the EYES closed is borderline identical in some cases completely identical (if you consider the price difference is practically the same!)! Then my main point is this, every time we guitarists forget the massive amount of EQ parameters that we have on tap! The guitars tone, the amps EQ or even an EQ pedal! So keeping in mind the “thinner” or “duller” sound and in this difference spectrum, I believe that with minor adjustments in any of these the final tonal outcome will legitimately be IDENTICAL! Thanks for coming to my TEd talk, goodnight! 😁
@joetowers4804
@joetowers4804 Год назад
Love, love, love the Philip Glass background music.
@zfxpedals
@zfxpedals 3 года назад
"duller" is a good description for the Klone, but it still sounds really good. There's something special about the original though, just because there is The Klone is a lot more logical to have on your board if you're playing out anywhere
@freesk8
@freesk8 3 года назад
You would have to watch an original Klon all gig long. You would have to worry about it getting swiped all evening long. Better to have the cheap copy with you out in the world.
@Alaskandsm
@Alaskandsm 3 года назад
Duller, and narrower. I say that because the original has this fullness that fills the sonic space where the clone just seems like it falls short. A bad example is the original sounds like surround and the clone is in stereo... just something missing.
@Lawrence330
@Lawrence330 3 года назад
It's probably a cap change away from sounding brighter, or maybe just bringing the treble or tone knob up a bit. Either way, you can get great, useable tones for $30.
@zfxpedals
@zfxpedals 3 года назад
@@Lawrence330 I was thinking the same. Probably just tolerances on one or two components.
@TheDoug2103
@TheDoug2103 3 года назад
ive had a guitar in my hands my entire life, and unless something is wrong with my hearing, the only differences there are are the ones we are forcing ourselves to hear because we want to hear them. its just parts, and they have revearse engineered this thing pretty damned good
@youcantharrylove
@youcantharrylove 2 года назад
Not sure if the two units are level matched but, to my ears, the original unit has more clarity, definition, focus and depth. The bulk of the sound is replicated in the knock off but it lacks the nuances that the original has. Great vid btw!
@danpepperell5692
@danpepperell5692 2 года назад
Yep you are a Sap. I bought one...($57 AU). And I love it. Sounds great.
@jeffdale3912
@jeffdale3912 3 года назад
I closed my eyes and couldn't tell when you switched from one to the other. Probably not 100% exact, but the differences aren't worth $4970.
@Mastertexter
@Mastertexter 3 года назад
That's exactly what I as going to say. I DO actually hear a difference. As he said himself... the bootleg-china-version sounds a bit duller. But not 4900$ duller. So I would definitely keep that real Klon as an investment and maybe sell it one day to go on vacation or something :D
@1thess523
@1thess523 3 года назад
@@Mastertexter exactly, that was my first impression but when he cranked the gain it sounded a lot closer to the 5K pedal
@genebuesking5101
@genebuesking5101 3 года назад
@@Mastertexter It always sounded to me like the original just had a little more bass oomph to it, just slightly.
@j_freed
@j_freed 3 года назад
Would you accept $4899?
@place_desjardins
@place_desjardins 3 года назад
I would be interesting if he compared the internal parts of the actual and clone copy. I'm guessing the cloners copied the original, but with cheap transistors and potentiometers.
@kalikiboi
@kalikiboi 3 года назад
My initial thought was just "that doesn't sound as meaty as the original". but for 1% of the price? think just adding a bit more reverb will help and totally worth it.
@DCDacey-cq6nb
@DCDacey-cq6nb 3 года назад
Lol. Awesome vid. There is another vid on RU-vid where 5 or six get compared to the decibels (touted as an exact Klon copy). The bottom line was the “Mosky” golden horse (probably the smaller version of the one you reviewed), was the closest to the actual Klon than any of its high priced competitors. Biggest difference being the shimmer on the high end, just like you found. Also the Mosky lacked a little headroom. I have a Mosky and I use it for my 80’s band for a little more goop in certain solos. The JCM 800 is already distorted enough to cover the lack of shimmeryness. For my classic rock band I use the decibelics, cause, well... it’s a little better. There is no doubt, if your playing in a bar, using a microphone that costs less than $500, and your sound man (person) is less than half drunk, no one will ever know the difference. For $30 (I bought mine 2 years ago and it was $19.76 after tax, delivered to my door) every guitar player in the world should own one. If there ever was a no brainer.... this is it!
@dasherf17
@dasherf17 Год назад
Don't judge a Centaur by the size of its box...I got one at the advice of a coworker...yes, from Wish... As I didn't have the real one to compare, I was pretty pleased...hearing your video, I'm very impressed how close they are...yes there is a difference, albeit slight... Thanks for your vids!
@ericvalverderosado2046
@ericvalverderosado2046 3 года назад
Just buy the Chinese one instead of buying a pedal worth a motorbike
@midnightshroud527
@midnightshroud527 3 года назад
Better still, buy the chinese one AND a chinese replica motorbike of your choice ... They'll both still be there when you get back from your world cruise.
@aaronsanchezz
@aaronsanchezz 3 года назад
@@midnightshroud527 the replica motorcycle gonna be waaay slower tho lol
@admiralrng6506
@admiralrng6506 3 года назад
@@midnightshroud527 you can get a used SV 650 or a DRZ 400 SM with gear with the remaining $4900 something
@SpacemanXC
@SpacemanXC 3 года назад
Buy Chinese graphics cards too. I hear they work great /s
@CyberChrist
@CyberChrist 3 года назад
My used BMW 328 was about 20% cheaper than that :P
@galacticpills
@galacticpills 3 года назад
You giving this to someone who didn't have the bucks to buy it makes me respect you even more man! ❤️
@mladenbradac3832
@mladenbradac3832 3 года назад
I could hear the difference in a sense that original has a fuller more in depth sound but the ripoff wasn't that far behind. I bought one as well. It's not a metal pedal, but then again it was never meant to be.
@brushcl
@brushcl 3 года назад
Also remember that unless you are absolutely sure the volume output is the same, it’s not an apples to apples test. Volume matching is the trickiest part of all of this. That said, the Klon to my ear sounded better at all settings than the knock-off. But that Knock-off is pretty great for what it is. Makes me wonder if I would pay $100 for a Klone vs $29. The Klon seems more harmonically complex at lower volume, for example. But at the 3/4 knob positions there wasn’t as much difference for me. But again, the volume output of each and how it’s driving the preamp is also a factor. The Klon enclosure is a work of art all its own, and for me that makes it more valuable, just maybe not to the tune of 4K.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
I think the original Klon had pots with custom tapers; if the clone isn't matching that exactly you'd get some variation. The germanium diodes are supposedly magic, but really the rest of it is just standard components. I suspect that if he had just cranked the volume on the clone a bit people wouldn't be able to tell which is which in a blind listening test.
@bernardosilva7306
@bernardosilva7306 3 года назад
Always amazes me when someone cannot believe that two circuits that are identical sound the same :D
@GreatBurningNullifier
@GreatBurningNullifier 3 года назад
LOL Are you implying that those two pedals sound the same??! Because they definitely don't.
@bernardosilva7306
@bernardosilva7306 3 года назад
@@GreatBurningNullifier No two analog pedals will EVER sound the same, even from the same company! Capacitors change overtime, imprecisions on the components can drastically affect the overall sound. POTs normally have a 20% margin of error alone! Do those two pedals sound the same? No. Do two original Klon pedals sound the same? No. Do they do the same "job"? Yes. Identical circuits are "almost" identical in sound, it is simple engineering. If you remove the "bias" of thinking that one "sound" is $5000 and the other is $30, some people will prefer one over the other and some will be the inverse (it is a matter of taste and margin of error on the circuit components).
@GreatBurningNullifier
@GreatBurningNullifier 3 года назад
@@bernardosilva7306nah the cheap one sounds like a simulation, the original one sounds way better overall, way more pleasing to the ear, that being said no pedal is worth $5000.
@bernardosilva7306
@bernardosilva7306 3 года назад
@@GreatBurningNullifier Try a "clone" with better components, for example the Tumnus or the Archer... :D... This cheap one is too cheap, probably have high compromises on parts that have far more margin of error :D
@GreatBurningNullifier
@GreatBurningNullifier 3 года назад
​@@bernardosilva7306 That's exactly my point, this is a cheap copy and doesn't sound as good as the original or a "clone" with better components.
@oliphant3727
@oliphant3727 3 года назад
The clone does not have the harmonic sheen as the original, but I bet adding a treble booster after the clone would get you there! IMHO
@ExpatZ266
@ExpatZ266 3 года назад
Bounce a Super Sweet in front of it, that'll kick up the harmonic content in a really nice way.
@jonthehermit8082
@jonthehermit8082 3 года назад
Maybe, would be interesting to try.
@DruNature
@DruNature 3 года назад
i hear a harmonizer or something doing some low end awesomeness too though, theres some wizardry in that klon
@phililpb
@phililpb 3 года назад
The copy was not as good. But it is low quality at lowest possible price. Im sure you could match the original for less than $100
@shredvansshredquarters
@shredvansshredquarters 3 года назад
One of the first gen Icarus Boosts from Caroline Guitar Co. will do JUST THAT fam. Holler if you want one. I have the spec. SILVER and RED one. I thought it would NEVER leave my board BUT my new preamp from my endorse, is a clone of the Integrated Preamp from TC Electronic and is MONEY with the 18v supply. It was THE FIRST one to sound "better" than the Icarus. There is a new gen Three Knob Icarus out that Im sure is more doper. BUT we will seee!
@nickg1307
@nickg1307 2 года назад
3:48 You cant imitate that.. unless the parts are discontinued and unobtainable, you can surely reproduce it. Its just a circuit, that's why they put the goop over the board.
@BeGloryOrPeace
@BeGloryOrPeace 3 года назад
when you cranked the gain and treble, that’s when you can hear it.. great video 👍🏽
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