The 2021 Yamaha MT-09 Is 90% New - But Is It New Enough For Me To DITCH My Old One? 

4 wheels as in a quad? Or car first bike that is crazy to me been riding for 20 years started at 8years old I'm not 28

@@kierannt9041 Four wheels as in car. However, I started on a 600 Bandit 24 years ago. Moved to 4 wheels only after taking a job that came with a company car and many days per week on the road. Never got to ride much so got rid of my bike. Now I’m back 😁

Kawasaki Z needs a quick update with all those bells and whistles...I am considering a Z H2 SE but it wont be nimble

@@maldridge7630 Perhaps they do. But they aren't ride-by-wire yet and it would require some substantial systems reengineering to achieve the usual suite of gizmos becoming more and more commonplace these days. Honestly they aren't necessary, but they are nice when comparing similar class models. If I could have IMU based TC and ABS, a cruise control, and absolutely nothing else I'd be satisfied. Even if those things were delivered with a clear analogue tach and LCD speedo w/indicators.

Late response, but yes, Q/S up and down with autoblip.

100% 😂😂😂

Lean a bike far over, and the telescopic suspension no longer is in-line with bumps. At that point the chassis had to twist and flex to offer compliance to traction. Ducati ran into this problem a few generations back with the Panigale. They made their frames too torsionally stiff and the bike's traction at the leaning limit was terrible. But the opposite is true as well, get a wet noodle for stiffness and other problems happen like wobbly handling and terrible lack of confidence, all pronounced by lousy suspension components.

Very true 😂😂😂

MAY 26 2021 First

An infinite number of people walk into a bar. The first person orders a pint of beer, the next a half pint, the next a quarter of a pint and so on. Each person orders 50 % of the volume of the person before. How much beer would be poured? Answer is just 2 pints. Fun statistics, I guess that rigidity works the same the other way, a 70s Honda to a 90s Ducati to a 2021 Yamaha…..

Just curious, what’s more fun about the mt07? I’m torn between the 2 but leaning toward the 09 due to all the electronics and upgraded suspension on the 09sp

@@CoryFugger think more smaller bike less power, bigger bike more power. the 07 is a little cheap buildt but you get what you pay for. you can do the same stuff with both bike. so would say test both bike and see which of them thats gives you the biggest smile

@@CoryFugger keep leaning. 09 is better .

great handling? GREATTT handling? I've been eyeing one so you just may sell me on the idea.

How's the gearbox? Usual yamaha notchy or honda smooth?

@@bmwm3man very slick. The quick shifter, up and down is properly the best I’ve experienced

@@bmwm3man I’ve not had it on a track but on the road, it’s very, very good. 100% better feeling from the front then the last version of the MT09.

@@Steve-motorcycles That's it, I'm getting one. Thanks for winning me over :D

Were u able to find one?

thanks for that correction, I almost thought I needed to get rid of my 1000 ninja and get this bike...LOL

@@maldridge7630 Well the TQ and HP figures of the MT09 may not match up to the Kawa 1000 but considering the 3K savings in cash and the 100lbs savings in weight It's certainly not far behind, if at all. I've had both the second gen MT-09 and the MT10, I really like the looks of the Kawa Z1000 and I have the 2021 MT-09 in order and probably stop there for a while. Hopefully nothing cool comes out for a while, because the temptations are getting too numerous :D

Any feel for dealership availability in general this year?

@@exothermal.sprocket I live at the other end of the globe in New Zealand. The first batch in Auckland sold instantly, did not keep a demo. So no test rides. When I asked they said one left buy it of you want. If not someone else will. Not a good environment to do a trade ;-0 I think more have arrived and a demo is finally available now. Weather crap. No Sp demos yet. Funny world....

@@paulconnell1309 All this supply chain business is on purpose. Who in the world could leverage such control over GLOBAL supply chains? The private western central bankers, the ones crying for a "great reset." The ones wanting their globalist totalitarian utopia. Globalism is Satanic. Fight against this crap with every last cell in your bloodstream.

just look at the gauge up close when you're stopped how often do u drive for an entire tank of gas worth of mileage and never stop or look down at the fuel level?

Did you sell the coin?

Anything not phased directly inline (flat-plane) is technically cross-planed. A crankshaft plane is a theoretical plane in space where crank-pin centers are aligned, or co-linear. Any pin off that plane creates an intersecting plane, even if just 1°. All triple cylinder engines on the planet are cross-plane, even before manufacturers started calling them that. The only flat-plane triple that existed to my knowledge was the Laverda Jota 1000 (981cc) and even that was converted to the ubiquitous 120° phasing in 1982. Triumph's new Tiger is basically a common 270° parallel twin with an additional cylinder added, phased another 90º ahead of the 270° twin, which is why it sounds so similar to a 270° twin except smoother in tone. From the reviews I've seen, there's a lot of harsh vibration in the upper range of revs. T-plane is the proper theoretical description, and it probably produces some mechanical balance problems. They did it to space torque pulses to the rear wheel unevenly for traction off-road. Common triples are even firing, just like flat-plane inline-4 are even firing and not the best choice for dirt traction.

@@exothermal.sprocket fair points. But ide still like to see this style of triple in more applications. Vibration in high revs isn’t something uncommon for many bikes, twins and in-line 4s, so that wouldn’t be much of a change for many. And the stronger torque delivery along with the sound profile is what ide be looking for. The MT is supposed to be a “master of torque” and this style of triple I believe would only help it earn its name

3.2 gallon tank on the Katana. Big downer. How about the updated GSX-S1000 now with 5 gallon tank? suzukicycles.com/street/2022/gsx-s1000

Go with a Z H2 SE and you will never look back

@@maldridge7630 You will always look back, scanning the mirrors for blue and red lights.

Get katana, looks better imo

Really like it but don't like the menu toggle and I use it for a trip meter all the time

Lowered, centralised mass, what's not to like?

@@wbabojo2779 err ... the way it looks!!!

Actually its cause it use a different type of pump (radial if I remember correctly), the same type like that of a track bike I wanted to change it but the dealer explained that changing it will actually make the bike perform worse rather then better. Got the same on my old mt01 which shares alot of parts with the r1

in 2021 the technology should by now have rendered this reservoir obsolete. Its such an eyesore on bike asthetically.

I agree. Imagine if they rocked up with that reservoir on the new Hayabusa. Love this bike but that reservoir would have to go

I completely agree, personally I'm struggling between the two models. Would like to know if you get an answer on this!

@@Jimmylondon15 get the SP, never ever pass up an opportunity to get Ohlins.

No. The switchgear is different. Perhaps the capability is there in the ECU and needs to be switched on, but you need the left-handlebard switchgear to activate it. Wiring harness would be slightly different.

Were u able to find one?

@@Abundance4LL nope, I've decided to hold on with the idea for now

I also looked hard at the KTM 790/890 as the reviews raved about them, but then I read a bunch of end user reliability issues (leaks, electric failures, etc). A local brand new 890 ended up twice in the shop because of warranty issues. While the MT-09 series has practically none. Guess which bike I bought in the end! :D

KTM are very uncomfortable and very unreliable

Go to Demos. Try them. It's way too complex for others to make such decisions for ya.

@@exothermal.sprocket I never asked for anyone opinions what I should buy. Just made a statement that I find in the 900 cc class these appear to be the leaders all around. I already viewed and tried both of them. Now I'm just waiting for the Ducati monsters to hit Canada so I can see those. Then it's purchase time. 😍

@@blockchainshark1392 Do you want to move up a notch to the 1L class? Suzuki's updated GSX-S1000 is a pretty great looking piece.

You should.

Keep your gen2 man.....

It’s like 144mph

It's 240~245 kph

@Leland Holton i think you have more fun with the mt09 because its CP3 Motor and more power. I was faced with the same Choice and i chose the mt09.

Mt 07 is more basic, much more now. Throw a good shock and fork kit on the 07 and it’ll be a nice basic bike that’s really fun. The 09 is good right out of the gate. Might need a seat.

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Mt09 has cheaper insurance