The 2S38 Is Absolutely Broken 

AbramsX / MPF when :)

also now that i think about it this is a precedent to fix the hstv-l, such as reload rate (down to 0.85s), give the he-vt/flechette rounds, fix the spalling of xm885, etc

everyone keeps telling me year of adoption should never be considered and that it’s fine for light tanks to be technologically ahead of everything else at their BR :)))))

The ussr propaganda machine has to start somewhere.

@@railfan8444 You would think, but I don't have much hope

Second to the su25 probably

Watch them milk everybody dry with it. They won't nerf it until their next OP premium is ready for release.

the fact there is an entire high tier premium for russia is insane, you can get ka-50, 2s38, Turms, the t-80 from research, the bmp....

To bad when I bought this tank the minute it came out for sale it was labeled a SPAA and that's what it actually is in real life maybe Gaijin should make it labeled as a SPAA instead of a light tank. So its a light tank because its made from a BMP-3 body

did it cost GE or was it a pack?

how is this crap with -5 angles and b.r. 9.7 is equal to PUMA?

@@raketny_hvost not equal, better

@John PUMA used to be busted. On release only a handful of tanks at or below BR that had APDS that could reliably defeat the extreme angle of the UFP (otherwise the engine eats the round) and it was borderline immune to HEATFS outright.

@@lukeskylicker Yeah at 8.3 was busted, but it really isn’t busted 8.7+ (really good at 8.7 tho, alr at 9.0, but the problem is that it’s currently 9.3, still works though)

​@John main strength of Puma is that it's in good line up right now. It and Begleit form first wave of NATO offensive at this BR and they cover weaknesses of each other. Puma has staying power, Begleit has offensive power, both are fast and both can ruin early heli spawns. This thing and PT-76-57? They're solo menaces.

Doesn't the oto have to have radar on for it to track aswell? (Which is a disadvantage as there are many helis and jets hunting anything that pings them).

@@EasyAL_YT There are currently two bugs that have been affecting the Oto for about a year. 1. The Oto's tracking radar, the VPS-A06 should be able to track targets +/-90 degrees from the front of the turret but currently on tracks about +/-10 degrees. You can't lead a jet without losing lock every single time unless it's flying directly at you. 2. The IRST is tied to the gunner and commander optics and isn't tied to the radar mast at all. IRST is currently only usable with the radar mast up. So you are forced to have the search radar, the VPS-A05, up making your already massive profile larger and allowing any jets with RWR to immediately know they're at least being detected.

@@SadisNic Yeah i grinded the whole Italian tree just for the oto... honestly I just use it as a TD, having the radar on and being detected by any and everything in the air is just not worth the tracking capabilities. I hope they fix the issues you raised and maybe even increase the apdfs pool it gets access to seeing how the new Russian 2S38 can carry apdfs without limit.

Not to mention the OTO still only gets 10 rounds of APFSDS

@@GodWentAFK it's 12 I think but yeah... not enough.

It will probably do even better at a higher BR honestly just because of the teams

Honestly I hope it stays at 9.7, they ruined my 8.7, 9.3,9.7 and 10.0 German lineups at least let me keep my 11.0 lineup

this has happened too many times to count

I am doubtful that they will even move it up.. If they do.. It'll probably only move to 10.0 even though I think it could sit comfily at 10.7 or 11.0

Yeaa... it's a Russian premium so doubt

Just because it appeared in a stupid anime, otherwise no one would have cared about it probably

@@AWaveNotSoSynth clearly you don't own an air fryer

@@AWaveNotSoSynth I fucking hate anime but love the BT-42 so idk what you're talking about.

@@AWaveNotSoSynth wrong

@@NotWorthTheAirIBreathe well guess what, you’re the only person who knows about it not because you see the clip from the anime on RU-vid, congrats mate

@uNnHkP8mza tell me you are joking

@uNnHkP8mza aint no fucking way lmaoooo. Tell me youre joking. It should be the otherway round cause russian armour is brittle as fuck irl

@@ivancsontos7011 try shooting bvm or something. You'll notice it barely spall

This also remembers me the Su 25, some times you can just throw 3 missiles at it, set it on fire several times, it does not want to die, when pretty much all planes get killed if you strike them with a single missile (in addition of having huge number of flares). It's almost comedical.

@uNnHkP8mza The extra 2-5mm of armor isn't just extra armor too, it's armor to protect against fragmentation so any fragmentation that gets launched form the initial penetration would be caught by the spall shields.

nah they could get ammo rekt 9.0max take or leave.

In a new top-tier soviet bundle (never seen before, a russian top-tier premium) for only $49.99. Gaijin definitely hired someone from Electronic Arts

Gaijin: source trust us

I mean the reay rack for the apfsds is only 12 round but you could carry it in the non ready rack

Not even a full day...

Exactly why they did it though, no time to let the community pre-rage about it.

3rd person arty?

@@popefrancis9565 When in the artillery menu, press your middle mouse button

@@Lynxium_ bro I completely forgot that was a thing!

@@Lynxium_ bruh... I've been playing WT for 5 years and I didn't even know that... thanks for the tip my good man!

that just does the same thing as zooming in in 3rd person

honestly when I get teamed up with the germans and some dude is going around in a DO-335B2 it takes every bit of my willpower not to delete him.

I always do as soon as the round ends.

When you have only 10 clips of ammo in your Bofors Lvkv and your team is throwing the match with their grabCAS behavior: "I WILL STRIKE THE SINNERS DOWN EVEN IF I AM TO DIE DOING IT, so saith the prophet Muhammed bin Anti-CAS" **TK Nasheed on blast** And after, assmad messages parted the clouds and the ground world was a little brighter. The report spam and negative SL is a price worth paying to be a man of Allah.

I usually end up doing it by accident since they always seem to fly in front of were I’m radar locking JUST as I start firing

and auto tracking

I'd be okay with the walkers and balloon tanks being added

@@MrSquigglies The walkers YES

Pony CAS

Gainin is making april fools all year long

Can't wait for the UCAB Wyvern to be in the game then.

The I-TOWs aren't even that good so I'd say its a fair trade.

sausage girls SUFFA again? uh oh pooor europeans

If it's soviet, it's OP... classic

@@lucass.8627 it's always OP

And the HSTV-L

@@lucass.8627 didn't know that soviets made MBT-70/Kyler/Stryker/dumBILL missiles/Wirbelwind/Begleitpanzer. oh those communists

Yeah, the only thing that annoyed me about this update was the fact that Finland didnt get its own tree, now i have to listen to swedish all day along

@@yourcasualfinn2213 I think it's good that they are inside the Swedish tree - a Finnish tree on it's own woud simply not have enough tanks for lineups and it would be 100% copy and paste. What they really should have done is to give Finnish vehicles their own crew voices. I mean they did hire a Finnish voice actor for the update trailer - so why the hell no crew voices?

@@yourcasualfinn2213 Why does that annoy you? Would you rather have 2 separate tech trees so that neither have good lineups?

@@enkeksinimea4399 The only reason why i wanted Finland to have its own tree was the fact that i dont like listening to swedish all goddamn time

Bro the reskins are so lazy, they didn't even put the J in Pz.IV J

But the HSTV-L should be way lower IMO. I know the HSTV-L is played by many players with high skill and this seem to make it look OP but me as a avarge player, I would suck with this even at 9.7. So jep it''s not fair TBH.

​@@miuu7616it needs to be buffed, not lowered in br

Gajob: pulls out T14 and Kurganetz instead.

Probably will. It will also be an op premium. So people will complain about p2w premiums but still rush to buy them

well this comment did not age quite right

KF 51 right ​@@Paronak

It's a classic strategy. Make OP vehicle, everyone rushes to buy it. After several weeks when sales die down, put it's BR up to a respectable level. Few months or years later, announce you're going to remove it from the store so everyone rushes to buy it again. After it's gone, add a new OP premium and repeat.

Skill issue, all you gotta do is aim and or touch it anywhere but the turret with HEAT and it’s dead, I kill them constantly with my centaros and STRF 9040s

@@Mitron43 Ah "just touch it anywhere with HEAT" so what you're saying is, all you need to do is load a shell that you wouldn't normally use in it's BR range, wait for it to finally be done loading in which time he may well have moved out of your view already or killed you if he has seen you, and then shoot that at him. Great advice dude.

@@Gary_The_Metro you sound like the type of player who uses only 1 type of shell. ALWAYS and never changing or thinking about tactics. Literally the game recomends you to have HE/HEAT for lightly armored targets.

@@goliath3413 I know, and I always bring HE/HEAT for lightly armoured targets. But you don't always have HE/HEAT loaded, because here's a secret for ya buddy... you don't always run into lightly armoured targets.

It already has APHE

@@clipixs447 it has only AP-T, SAP-T, HE-T or HE-VT

@@clipixs447 i worded it wrong my bad

@@SdKfz-gq8bh yeah I bought it myself I know it has APHE, oh i see what you meant nvm

Take a look at germany, it has always been that way for them lol

Meanwhile Japan sitting here with no SPAA above 9.0 and the 9.0 one is so useless that the 8.0 one below it is more effective

Clearly youve not seen france at all, 1 aa from 4.0 to 8.3 and 1 from 8.3 to 10.0, the santal helps, but not by much

We desperately need the Strela-10

@@ivancsontos7011 France only missed the roland 2, not like they have a equivalent to the lav ad or sergeant York

Well im a russian main (aswell as US and Germany) and im let down by this thing being premium lol

It should be 19.3

The Leclerc would annihilate everyone with its targeting system

Realistically most modern variants of NATO tanks would have a similar kind of tracking system (I believe even one that works on ground targets so that you have a lead indicator on moving targets)

@@Gary_The_Metro yeah I always thought they could of implemented that ground track system, like in game helicopter atgms lock on target and free aiming within the circle. Not great for close range, but on huge maps and moving targets, very lethal.

They could maybe add a lead function that most if not all modern mbt's have, but then the game might get too boring because well, then the game starts playing itself and kills are way less satisfying.

Borth nato soviet tanks have had tracking systems for ground targets since the 70s and 80s.

What’s so good about it? The only fun new vehicle that isn’t premium or top tier is the as42/47 (and it’s not really that fun). I also got more bugs then usual, for example sometimes I can’t stop repairs, which got me killed twice.

@@albero319 the fact that it wasn't good doesn't mean that it's bad.

@@lior_theboom yeah, it does… first of all they added this thing, and as always they managed to squeeze in a couple of bugs

@@albero319 You realize bugs will always appear right? There is no way you can fix all bugs, especially when the update that fixes bugs cause more bugs to appear.

Nah we still have the dogshit smoke

The TUSK is a SEP...well they call it one, whether it actually has DU armor or not, they call it one.

it also (seems to) use shells that havent even been developed yet. this is, after all, the same zsu-57 gun we know and love if im not mistaken

The new us tank is literally the m1a2 sep. maybe the SEPv3 will come in 2023

@@YourGodStalin the SEP dosent have its 3rd gen DU inserts that the regular m1a2 has the sep also has an APS system and they should have given the SEP and regular m1a2 the m829a4 round. also, with the 2s38 they should give the HSTVL its .85 sec reload and its proxy fuse round along with the proper pen on its apfsds and its ground/air irst tracking

Second army in Ukraine maybe

YT compressing everything doesn’t help

It's slow and reloads even slower. That's why it's at 7.0. I do love thay thing though

Also, the .50cals should get SLAP rounds wich would help tremendously against light vehicles. Moreover, you should be able to remove the TUSK package without losing smoke grenades! Yes, all smokes are gone if you remove it:/. I could go on, but this doesn't seem like just laziness from Gaijin, it looks deliberate because this info is not hard to find. It is basic logic that the M1HC and M1A2 sould not have the exact same hull armor as the basic M1.

meanwhile sabres, supersabres, zeros, tigers, jpz 4-70, A-10, scumhurier:

Yeep, even though in real life they suck lol

@@raketny_hvost Tigers??? Hahahahaha

@@simisg2121 At least if they survive the war they’re vehicles will have more combat training than every other major military power. Big if though lol

@@youwotmate7705 they're going to survive the war purely through nato intervention, last time a nation kicked russias teeth in the entirety of nato had to practically pay finland to leave moscow

Honestly I feel like it's more like a premium bias. Otherwise things like the Turm III wouldn't exist.

@@a.b.3455 russia has shittons of premiums if you make it look like its the best nation to play, the players are more likely to buy GE to get those premiums or those packs with premiums you cant purchase for GE

do you love how hureers and dumb-10s did the same? ah they are simply not russian

Those vehicles were added in like 15 different updates, not even close to each other. “Every single update” for sure. We have a new Abrams every single update - that’s a fact. At least for 3 of the last ones in a row.

​@@raketny_hvostOk russia main, let's get something straight... Su25 is better than A-10 in almost every possible way. The survivabilty is insane while the A-10 feels like paper plane, the Frogfoot can eat so much 20mm HE it's hilarious. Better flight performance, Better A/G ordnance. I'll give you one thing though. I would much rather have 4x AIM-9Ls than 2x R-60s so that's one downside that I can think of. Hell in GRB the A-10 spawns going 300 km/h while other faster aircraft spawn almost at their top speed, and Mach 1.0 capable aircraft spawn at Mach 1 or right below. Mavericks are dogshit that either don't track correctly half the time or do little to no damage (track vehicles) even when hitting the target directly From what I know Kh-25/29 don't have that problem since you can guide them in apart from the fact that you need to be pointing the plane toward your target. Hureers? You mean Harriers? Pretty much the only broken one was GR.1 and the only thing going for it were the SRAAMS but it was moved to 10.0 and pretty much is food now... Besides this is not what I'm saying, obviously there are other broken vehicles: XP-50, Su-11, PUMA to name a few... I'm talking about the fact that when you think about which faction constantly gets the biggest number of OP vehicles that ruin the game the answer is going to be Russia every single time, pretty much no matter who you ask. Edit: Ahhh he deleted the comment, too bad... I was up for a discussion, but to give better context, this is what I'm answering to: *do you love how hureers and dumb-10s did the same? ah they are simply not russian*

​@@alexey_chekhovich Okay, I might've exaggerated about the 'every single update' point. A new Abrams every single update? Yeah, sure... has any of these tanks broke the game... no they haven't they are literally copy paste of one another but with better thermals... God bless gaijin (/s) for kindly adding Abrams' with usable thermals. The AIM is just a tree M1A1 with Gen 2. thermals but with worse shell, the SEP is just M1A2 with Gen. 2 thermals and an additional .50 for the gunner (truly broken OP vehicle /s). Meanwhile the BVM has been a shell eating menace for how long now? A year? A year and a half?

@@jakub-k like turms or bvm is anything else than a copy paste of existing tanks with better thermals and that’s all. A10 is a great plane as well, one of the best choice to grind the tree, easiest plane to make 3k+ points and 1st place during the events, and mavericks are way better armament for top tier than ones that su25 has. Who cares how much 20mm it can hold when 99% of the time you die from a missile or proximity shell? At least A10 can use his armament without actually going into proximity shell range. I’ve played both and A10 is way easier to use in mixed battles for sure. These complaints feel more like “Germany suffers” whining rather than an actual weighted critique.

It's not bias exactly. Wait till the sales slow down and one of the nations they face will get the next op thing to counter it. For a price of course. It's the same push the p2w stuff they've done for years

Just switch to il2 bos. You will be happy

that is an extremely cursed PFP

@@barca227bc3 everyone always says this same thing for 2 years now and it hasn’t happened

@@colejones594 I haven't played for 3 years but that has always been the case just when people get the op vehicle for there faction they will also not see it as op. Personal bias

Wtf

What does this even mean and how does it relate wtf

Ayo 💀

We have TUSK I now. But it's just for RPGs and lower pen HEAT like the old recoilless rifles. TUSK II won't be added for a long time tho.

All of the shell pens are wrong

@@molashen771 then why does it say pen value for 0° then? There's no way a modern Delpeted uranium shell has less then 500mm of pen at 0° from 10m away. Even Russia says US 120 has atleast 750mm of KE pen. Meanwhile again gaining says lmao nahhh, you mean 500mm. Meanwhile a Russian shell goes through damn near everything at any range. Regardless of angle. Like majority of nations get shit on by gaijin except for Russia. Like how they had broken helicopter spawns for ka52 then when they release the AH64 is magically fixed.

Does sound like OwO lol uwu

Wait...It's not OWO? xD

I thought he said "Oh well"

@@shadows4400 owo

Strela moment (also Gaijin then adds a 9.3 Shilka with ahistorical infinity-G turns off the rails)

And has a lower caliber :D It really is crazy ^^

@@Lxcx333 😯

I couldn't use it against the other plane because my sight was taken out, so IRST didn't work. There was a bug where you couldn't repair the sight.

literally the experience the swedes had for a long time (excluding the bill)

What the F do you even mean with DM13? The 120mm DM13 with close to 400mm pen? And are you a level 2 player which bought a Leo A1A1 with a noob crew or what do you mean with 9 seconds??? So much BS it makes no sense but yea it should not be compared to the PUMA but rather because they have so many different advantages. I mean does this thing have better armor? Can this thing make good use of it's unmanned turret with good gun depression and cannon hight? Can it fire all the darts without reloading? No because it's not a "flat better version" then the Puma. But it is a good AA and has more pen, it is different and you should play it different, more like a strf 9040C with more pen but worse spalling for some reason. Just don't play light tanks as long as the 2S38 spam is not over.

@@miuu7616 DM13 the 105mm stock german shell for all the leo 1s. it has 303mm of pen and 116mm of pem at 60 degrees. 3UBM22 has 225mm of pen and 130mm of pen at 60 degrees. 3UBM22 therefore being very comparable to DM13. Not the 120mm DM13 that should be extremely obvious to anyone with functional brain but the 105 DM13. And the Leo 1s have a stock 8.7 second reload. Sure its 6.7 aced but most people arent using fully aced crews at 8.7. As for the puma VS 2S38. The armor on the Puma USED to be pretty good. Now it only sometimes stops some auto cannons at its br, the armor is a none factor anymor and the S238 is actually more survivable since the crew is layed out horizontally meaning it is very difficult to kill two of them with one shot frontally. Really the only thing the puma does better is the Puma has better gun depression. But that doesnt really matter since the puma is extremely easy to ammo rack when hull down compared to the 2S38 that has a extremely small spot to hit to actually kill it when it is hull down. And yes the puma has blowout panels but for wome reason the ammo fire will almost always kill the gunner and like 50/50 also kill the commander before you can put it out... So dude maybe use your brain for 5 seconds before sperging out lmao

@@simethigsomethingidfk 303mm pen from a 105mm gun apds is "very comparable" to 225mm pen from a 57mm gun apfsds? Mkay bro.

@@miuu7616 the 30 degree penetration is almost the same and the 60 degree is better on 3UBM22. literally no one is driving around with flat armor plates dude. 30-60 degree penetration is far more important then flat penetration for any tank at any br. Its like you have never played Warthunder before