The 5th Generation Air Warfare is Bonkers... 

Every time an F-35 comes off the assembly line a bald eagle hatches and shareholders shed a tear.

"Otis why don't you found a union?" They made a movie about that. It's called Terminator

I just came here for the download link for a free F35

_YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A PLANE_

I love how the osprey is so slow the F-35 has to go into STOL mode

I'm here for Otis. ✌

Many times while watching your excellent videos I ask myself “Where else could I get this detailed information?” and the answer is always the same…”Nowhere”. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

13:02 quick and effective OODA loops -- Observe, Orient, Decide and Act -- is a four-step approach to decision-making that focuses on filtering available information, putting it in context and quickly making the most appropriate decision, while also understanding that changes can be made as more data becomes available.

F-35 is just the modern version of A-6 pretending to an F-16.

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In the age of digital communication, you can decentralize "centers of gravity", having e.g. small command units spread over an entire continent and communicating with each other electronically (if your electronic communcation breaks down, it will probably break down for your entire system anyway, so this would be a feasible approach). The same is true for all other military aspects: Have small operation bases with comparably few military hardware items, operations and maintenance crew and coordinate them via the "combat cloud". That makes your military infrastructure way more resilient. You already mentioned redundancy. The interesting question for me is how attacks on a combat network like you described with falsified data works. Just imagine that in 20 years from now, sophisticated AIs battle each other, and they also excel in providing false information to the opponent that looks very plausible, or hide some of their combat capabilities behind slightly altered data about these capabilities. This could build up to making essential tactical and strategic mistakes for the opponent. I believe that the most efficient way to battle such a data based combat network and system is to feed it with false information that is just enough off to produce an initially small deviation from a proper response to an attack that evolves into a massively inappropriate reaction of the entire network, kind of like a chaotic effect where a small difference can produce immense result deviations. The response to that must be extensive validation capabilities, deciding on plausibility of data and the reactions to it, and will probably be a cat and mouse game like between hackers and network administrators.

Forgot to say: I love your videos, very in depth, very good information. Learned a lot from this one. Keep up the good work! 👍

At 15:32 that is a very real caveat. It's all way CLASSIFIED and most of us don't know, but we can dream.

Hats off to a great video and excellent research! While just skimming the surface due to the incredibly complex set of topics, you kept it interesting and straight to the point. I'm looking forward to your next video on this subject! 👍

Thumbnail Is so Adorable Actually Interesting and New Doctrine Vibey

Sir, i think you are right when you said in one of the last videos IIRC, that you found the perfect recipe for your content! The Editing, lighting and the new slideshows as visual elements bring your content on a new level. Now the superficial side of your content is getting closer aligned to the always excellent level of substance. Which means this channel can finally reach much more people, who are not super nerds like we are, and more people can enjoy quality analysis, compared to most military content on RU-vid, which is clickbait crap. Great work!

So many interesting facts you are relating to us. And also information about the consequences of all these changes to aircraft and their doctrines

Very informative! I am looking forward to the next video in the series. The most important consideration in my opinion, is how to train the warriors who will fight this extremely complex style of war.

Wow why does this have only 10k views? It’s a great topic. Thanks sir for your content.

Main concerns: hacking, adversarial data injection from captured equipment, jamming. If there’s a remote disconnect option for captured equipment, that’s vulnerable to attack

People do not understand that Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan were chosen as political and military targets by the pentagon for a very specific reason. The pentagon essentially ran a massive experiment on warfare and tactics measuring the statistics and effectiveness. These countries were basically a laboratory to run different studies on how to develop our air power. Through all of these tests the conclusion was consistently that being able to bring in airborne weapons against enemy ground forces was the only way to actually win any battle. We see now with Russia and ukraines brutal artillery based attacks how stagnant and weak any offensive forces are. They can only make small gains with large amounts of casualties making them useless and any gains can easily be lost. Air dominance is about clearing a battlefield so that the enemy is forced to retreat and key positions can be taken away from them. Drones, ospreys, f 35s allow the flexibility to attack defensive targets so that 4th generation fighters, attack helicopters, tanks and ground forces can operate safely. The F35s primary purpose is to destroy anti air defenses, the osprey allows troops and supplies to be dropped in to establish communication and scouting while drones protect them until other assets arrive and secure the area. A simple explanation is that if you were to make a video game of a war, this would allow you to do everything you can do in a game but isn’t yet possible in real life. We are about 5-10 years off from this becoming a reality. This is why I believe that Russia, China and Iran are attempting to make their military movements now before they fall too far behind in technological advancement. China and Russia do not have a real 5th generation fighter and by the time they accomplish this America will have a 6th generation fighter. They don’t have the money or technology to catch up.

Always great content... but that shirt/tie combo is the absolute slickest, my man!

strategically used EMP's could have an extremely dramatic/devastating effect on this type of system of systems. hardening against such attacks must be done throughput the entire system including civilian infrastructure...that seems unlikely at best

Very interesting and informative. I'm skeptical about this in so many ways, but I want to hear more. I am heartily sick of the propensity for technologists to imagine they're the first to conceive an idea, and consequently blunder on in ignorance of their own history. Looking forward to the next installment.

Exceptional lesson ,thank you .

Super good video, thank you!!!

Destroy the satellites, destroy the submarine cables and you win the war.

Excellent!

This entire concept is the embodiment of the American way of war. As an Aerospace Expeditionary power, anything that allows airpower to increase overall force effectiveness or vice versa is implemented. Done well, and with adequate prep work, the opponent will be overwhelmed. However, it's very much an American way of war and not applicable to those without such requirements or being directly tied militarily to the American system. And I would expect adversaries to strike at all levels with enough force to degrade the system into something lesser. It remains to be seen how this develops. A most informative video M7.

Snazzy tie :)

Combat Internet and combat cloud... i used those terms in my stories thinking I'm doing something original... damn 😮 keep this coming sensei, this is stuff 👍

Now this is ingenious, top marks for the designers for this from n east Scotland

The over riding priority is to have a human in the loop to approve a strike or destruction of a target. The human in the command layer has access to nearly unlimited information from all the sensors. My experience with computers is that glitches are inevitable. So the human in the loop may not receive all the information in a timely manner to make a decision or is inundated with so much information, some of it irrelevant, in that it will make it impossible to get through all the information in a timely manner. Then add in the effect of the fog of war and the enemies electronic warfare capabilities. Then there is the possibility of the enemy doing the same in striking a command post trying to make a go no go decision.

THE major risk: All what you described isolates the human, makes it impossible to understand or judge how certain aspects come into being. What that system is really good for is fully automated drone warfare.

Thanks!

He makes it sound too complex but it is simple. F35's, drones, satellites and surveillance and reconnaissance (SAR) vehicles gather data on enemy positions using their sensors. That live information is transmitted/shared directly between armored vehicles or F35's in formation in real time. Sounds good to me. But maybe he is implying all sensor data is relayed to one satellite and the Russians just have to knock it out and the battle is won. That sounds like the Russian version of a Hollywood ending!

Thank you for your video. Food for thought indeed. I have never though how vulnerable large projects like the F35 could be to sabotage and asymmetrical attacks on its Data.

The YF-23 Black Widow deserves a second chance

"Synergy" is spelt with two "y"s, not an "i" in the beginning and only a "y" in the end. That stems from the greek syllable "syn", meaning "together".

A lot of nostalgia for the graphics in the first 1/3 of the video. Reminds me of the sorts of things being talked about & drawn up in the 1980's. Even the grid-plane graphics hehe. Far from 'new' ideas, but it's always being worked on and made more up to date. Not a fan of "cloud" terminology though. It's like Apple suddenly one day said "you can put files ...on the internet! We call it the Cloud!" and literally everyone who owned an actual computer rolled their eyes in unison. All the eye rolling could have destabilized earth's orbit, we got lucky there. Technically, an individual soldier is an incredibly complex system of systems... they're just refined by evolutionary pressure to be fairly reliably functional ;) There was a combined land & air exercise (a fairly large one) where an AWACS was unavailable due to maintenance issues. An F-35 took over the job, and did just fine. If it hadn't, the exercise likely would have been scrubbed. In many ways, the system of systems you discuss is kinda an old concept in the US, and things like the F-35 actually immensely _improves_ the system resiliency over what predates it. I'm gonna call this one a "miss" as 'concerns regarding the F-35' go. If anything, it helps to address these concerns, rather than proliferate them.

The MOST powerful layer is missing: Spiritual warfare.

I'm always amazed at why the lift fan door doesn't blow off. Don't know much about physics I admit but the thing looks like a barn door in a storm.

that thumbnail is some black ops 2 shit

The potential advantage of a redundant distributed network is to eliminate what you call a center of gravity. One criteria of the Uptime Institute's tier four concept is fault tolerance. In the initial expression of the concept no one failure could knock out a system. This is due to adequate redundancy including dual pathing. This wascfurther extended by hot sites, a duplicate installation geographically distant. The principle could be extrapolated to multipathing where multiple nodes would have to be taken out simultaneously to impair the network. The advantage of AI will include rapid containment of a cascading failure such as a virus by isolating paths out of the affected nodes faster than they can spread and reconfiguring elements of the surviving network to prevent overloads to both the pathways between nodes and the nodes themselves. This is a supervisory function that hasn't been applied yet to data processing systems or utility power distribution grids or information networking grids. This means that they remain vulnerable to cascade global network collapse resulting from failure or a transient discontinuity at a single point. This is how the northeast power grid was knocked out by a single transformer failure in Niagra NY 1965 and again by loss of a single feeder in Ohio in 2003. In nearly 40 years they hadn't figured out the cause let alone a fix. It isn't going to be cheap. Most of the time the entire network will have to operate at a very low percentage of its design capacity.

Which is why it might be working because itself opening up a new form of flexibility only dreamed and hoped for which will making the 5th and 6th generations of battlefield scaringly effective but also in itself it's opening up the real potential of humanbeings the enemies of the machines.

Planes only fly close together like that for the photo op, or if they're waiting for fuel from a tanker

You are unusually well researched in this. Are you a War Thunder Forum Mod?

Those AI generated images steal the show lol, especially that one that adds extra wings and canards to an otherwise hypersonic body plan meant to fit inside a narrow shock cone.

I like your point at the end about F35s in opposition to the USA. It isn't unprecedented, F14 and F5 are both present in opposition air forces. However, by the time that an opponent has the opportunity to fly the F35 in anger against America, NGAD or NGAD successor would probably wipe the floor with F35. Right?

Imagine, the fighting forces working together, instead of against one another.

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I think the most vital aspect is not stealth but rather information superiority. Stealth serves information superiority in that it denies vital information to the enemy though, so it's probably on the features list of just about every platform involved in some capacity.

So, IRL Command and Conquer? time to put hell march on repeat

Scrap refuelling scrap - my personal opinion. But your videos are the best out there so keep up the good work.

Why are the f35 not winning in the red sea ?

Haven't watched the video with the telling thumbnail, yet - but will surely enjoy the 'structualist' argument... Recently, I noticed that Peter Ustinov narrated upon 5th generation*Data Links* ...in 1993... implemented on the Mikoyan Mig-31 supersonic interceptor... I can't remember that You had adressed that case ? Surely by now something can be said on respective tactics in air campaigns - e.g. in contrast to ground and airborne early warning RADAR...

Ummmm.... Why the FCK isn't the Cheyenne mountain that USED To be called Home by NORAD re-staffed & be an Absolutely Secured Site that be linked to assets via remote radio upload&download antenna sets that are cheap to produce & EXPENSIVE to find&destroy, linking NORAD to ALLL the data generators & verifiers & obliterators. I mean, exactly WHAT is the NORAD site in the Cheyenne used for at this time?!? that would Preclude re-activating it?

today Air Combat : link this link that, call someone to confirm random radar spike is actually red, touchy thing, more touchy thing, then fire yesterday : just outturn them ok? would be cool furball

Discussions on 5 Gen warfare/Network centric reminds me of the admirals before ww2 like Isoroku Yamamoto who were pointing to the advantages of aircraft carriers. The traditionalist agreed on it but pointed to the track record of battleships (though, I think dreadnaught types seem to have only fought at Jutland) thouand their predecessors (ship of the line) which can range up to centuries. Now, this is not yet tested in a near-peer combat environment (hopefully will never happen) but has merit so many nations are persuing it.

Resilience is the Achilles heel in the matter just knock out the enemies polar and or equatorial satellites and you are a game changer. By the way, aircraft formation is just copies of real birds formation.

You know that the 5th gen warfare is just a gimmick to sell more expensive and sophisticated weapon. The most important aspects of any war "effector" is its its reliability, agility, effect and sustainability - consider those in the exact order. 1. Reliability - you need system that will perform whenever you need it and in the way you expect no matter the situation (this is includessystem security too) 2. Agility - you need the system that is easy and quick to deploy, use and relocate 3. Effect - the system should be able to put maximum damage to the opposing targets by any means respective to its purpose 4. Sustainability - in military perspective this differs a bit... means system should be versatile: can use multiple ammunitions, interoperability - to be able to operate within and together with other systems (here comes the comms and sensing), independence - to be able to operate independently without other systems data, operability - use munitions and human personnel effectively SO this is what makes the weapons better and army wining. What is the purpose of missile which cannot be guided to hit the correct target, what is the purpose of multipurpose fighter jet that needs the whole infrastructure even for the simplest mission and cannot be fly "solo", how good is the system stop working because of fragile parts?

Networking is not the only capability for F-35 as it has its own capabilities all within the Squadron to view the battlefield scenario with its own inherited sensors via Radar, DAS, ECM, ESM, ELINT stealth capabilities queued in with some of the best weapon systems out there. In war nothing perfect but the F-35 does have very good independent sensor capabilities all available to the Squadron for which it has to apply its tactics. If the network goes down I'm sure the squadron is trained to fight within its own capabilities.

Wow, the FSB Disinformatzya Corps are all over this thread like bees on blooming flowers.

How did you get Russell Crowe to do your video? And, who dubbed in your voice?? Seriously, loved it. GREAT analyses and explanations, found nowhere else that I am aware of.

It's possible that all these fifth gen aircraft are based on outdated assumptions on how war is to be fought 😮

I am interested in front line positions being supported from home bases for smaller systems. Distant operators providing support with satellite or other communications. This could mean many NCO could have their own information and support systems. Each squad, platoon or vehicle could have support. This can include reliving combat data and even support like logistics. Reducing the work load of troops in 24/7 combat operations. For example an operator could track ammunition and fuel coordination. Also operating sensors or drones. Also provide very practical combat information. Having access to advanced battlefield computer operating systems. When tank crews get a break from active operations day and night. A tank crew could do other tasks or resting while rear support operatives can use a tanks sensors or operate a tanks own drone. Reducing a tank crew work load. An NCO could quickly ask questions from a designated support team. Such as where and when to get supplies or ammunition. As the Western nations are reluctant to send large numbers of troops in combat they could have remote support from home bases. For global operations. Remote operators could help with deconflicting allied support. Reducing blue on blue accidents. Remote operators can also focus issues with more senior commanders. Or other allied units helping to provide air support. Providing air crew with the ground situation.

If you think that's bunkers we had missiles fall out of the sky in the 90s.

the CV-22 are all grounded and the F35 is using more fuel in that semi-hover than it's taking on....other than that, it's great.

Combat Cloud - that’s where I go to download more RAM 😜

Essentially same concepts as from WWII but all advanced technologically. Main difference is use of computers to aid humans.

I suppose as with any combination of systems it’s only as strong as it’s weakest link. Technological advances can seem strange at first but with time they then become essential. Just like putting radars on aircraft or missiles on aircraft. Not seen as essential or even worthwhile at the the beginning but now are very much so.

I think the capability to use layered attack with high stealth platforms providing targeting and spotting information for heavily armed “middle trucks” loitering far enough behind to survive without stealth is the kind of ability that will utterly overwhelm a tier 2 state enemy. Much as we saw with Iraq’s defenses being so quickly overwhelmed. But, do our assets have the operational range for this approach to work against a near-peer? If the carrier group can’t get close enough to deliver its F-35’s to the operational area…

As always, great content ( that is not available anywhere else ;-) ). Complexity is not vulnerability. Humans are more complex then crocodiles, but humans make shoes and bags from crocodiles, while crocodiles don't that with humans.

just coming from an it security event that title made me laugh... 😮

After SAM capabilities have increased 1000 times over. It amazes me that fools still want to fly warplanes

Bravo another scary scenario, grown up in n the age of paper maps, and 2 way radios. Then seeing intertial guidance pushed aside for GPS and we're talking at least a quarter century ago. Network Centric Warfare needed sensor tech to catch up. All these layers have rushed ahead unbelievably. I bet lots of effort is being put into ways of affecting authentication so that enough disruption of sensors to affect polling to spoof or shift an RT response to derail the attack chain.

With super computers processing high fidelity information from sensors - the army that processes faster wins and is able to engage and defeat the enemy - now imagine adding AI and you get a system that can think out from vast data the best way to attack or defend assets even with weapons with limited capabilities.

I thought even Gen 4 fighter pilots clown on movies that depict that close formation flying during combat?

Lol, nevermind there have been at least 16 crashes between the 2 (f35 and osprey) in the last 2 years alone and have been grounded several times for fear of safety.

The image at 2:50 :D

But can all that cloud C&C compete with a situationally aware commander in an A-50... oh wait, never mind 🙁

What are these networks based on? How do they function?

2:59 why are they staring at blank screen? 😆

When they gonna re-arm the jet in mid flight?

How do you use this magnificent concept against ... the Houthis ?

are lasers kinnetic or non kinnetic effectors?

The Northrop YF-23 gets a second chance in the Japan Air Defense Force with new technologies

also c'mon man combat cloud is my six defense system deploy thunder cloud doing dogfight, can't change my mind XD

I understand assets are “hardened” against EMP but it strikes me that well placed blasts of the correct radiation could make such complex systems collapse or at least hinder effectiveness for a low cost. Is this a naïve perspective?

I wonder what AI's clear definitions of "war" and "adversary" are. Because what would stop AI from simply arranging things to maximize deaths on BOTH sides?

The Yemen battlefield has foreign ships, India & EU

I didn't know you owned a tie.

Love the channel. Personal opinion, the F-22 is struggling to remain relevant. Barely a hundred are combat capable, the logistics of maintaining the fleet outweigh their potential in a fight that really matters. Its still arguably the best fighter ever developed, though even there I'm dubious. 1v1 sure but no airborne weapons system operates in a vacuum. If the theatre is the western pacific, the F-22 won't carry the day as many anticipate. As for the cloud, its integrity would surely be compromised in a battlespace featuring a high level of adversary electronic countermeasures. Again, just my uneducated thoughts, happy to revise my opinion if presented with reason to do so. EDIT: I'd LOVE IT if you created an alternate channel where you shared your personal thoughts regarding geopolitics and grand strategy!

20:55 *"Stay tuned for the next episode."* Hey, we don't have to *tune* anything to watch RU-vid videos. How can this guy possibly be qualified to talk about military technology when he doesn't even under stand basic computer technology. (Apparently I'm in a weird mood.) Thanks for the interesting video.

Firth level air warfare systems is very precise and aimed towards air superiority at all times. However, it is heavily reliant on satellites, AWACS (although this system appears to be going obselete) and interlinked squadrons of aircraft like the F35s. However, as is not reported, is there a falling domino's effect, I.e. if you (the enemy) knock out one critical system does all the other systems collapse? E.g. knock out the military and civilian satellite network and the air warfare system is dead? Unlikely, although it's capabilities will certainly be diminished.

Amazing content as always, thanks ! With so much (allied) countries going south to keep their sovereignty, like the french scorpion program, and the US quickly deprecating existing standards like the L16, I'm wondering if we'll see the emergence of interoperability protocols via open standards, similar to the TAK exosystem for example, doesn't matter if your protocols are well known if their cryptography is strong enough. Sorry about my crappy english, have a great day !

Well, I am sure something useful for civilian life will come out of all this work eventually.

Could you tell us how all of this was used successfully in Afghanistan?

0:37 Except that isn't a tactical formation.

2:00 could the network centric warfare concept be seen as the steroided version of combined arms warfare ?