@@illfaptothis333 it's weird. Out of the 100's of NRA events I've attended, I never see anyone getting killed. I believe you have a highly over active imagination, not to mention prejudice views.
I went to our local outdoor stores during the lock down and after a week you could not find any 5.56 any more but everyone still had plenty of 6.5 grendel, 6.5 creedmore and a ton of other calibers that can be used in either ar-15 or ar-10. I think this great for no other reason than the flexibility of choice in an emergency.
I've been shooting 308 and 243 for a lot of years. I have a 5.56 or so also. That 243 covers about everything actually in my area. 400 yards with a good 100 grain bullet and a whitetail is down with not a lot of the grocery part destroyed. 53gr. to 100 + bullet weight selection and it's in your local gun shop. 308 is about the same with 110gr to 200 +. 5.56 is a 22 caliber. Really not much more to say other than a good varmint round. The military had several good choices over the years. They're just understanding what folk's here and over sea's with 243, 6mm, 6.5mm and 7mm actually have known for years.
“It’s great, it’s the most flexible, it’s the highest performing, it out performs.” Why lol? Zero info, all I gathered was that it’s great and trust us lol.
Then Hornady replied - basically, "we know, but here's a link with more advertising hype, but still shy on facts." Their cahrt of velocity over distance doesn't begin until 500 yds for some reason. How many are shooting an AR at more than 500 yds? Not many. Hornady wrote in the link that the ARC has more mag capacity than an AR-10, but the brass sure looks like about the same diameter as the .308. The brass is shorter than 5.56 brass, but the COAL is longer. And - Hornady brags that you can spot your holes better than in a .224 Valkyrie. Hhahaha. Yepper, the difference of an extra 2/100ths of an inch, at 100 yds sure will make the ARC really visible, where the Valkyrie is not. Forget about the fact that the Vallkyrie probably is head and shoulders above the ARC in ballistic performance. And how is this better than the 6.0 Creeeeeedmoor? Or the .243 Win, for that matter? Or the 6 PPC? OK, they might need the AR-10 platform, but I bet you could modify the AR-15, and since their goal was a gov't contract, that would be reasonable to get even more performance than the ARC. They are really struggling to hype a new product, but only with hype. I guess I get tired of "newer, cooler, better" for lots of the new cartridges that are barely different from what is already available. For hunters, with a .25-06 and a .30-06 (or pick another reasonable pair), you can take anything in North America.
@@worsel2113 Wow. Watch the videos or do some research before commenting. The 6 ARC is basically the wildcat 6AR/6Predator that is now saami spec. If you do a little research, you'll find out that the DOD came to Hornady and asked for this cartridge. It's a cartridge for the M16/AR15 platform because that's what the military already has. They wanted an improvement over the current 5.56. What they have with the 6 ARC is a cartridge that's capable of shooting from zero to 1000 yards and have lethal energy. The 105 FMJ bullet has twice the energy and twice the range of the 5.56. At longer distances it has better accuracy and energy than the 7.62x51 that the military currently uses. It also has less recoil, so the shooter can easily spot their own shots. If you were ever in the military, you know that weight is huge. They've shown that the M16 in 6ARC is 30% lighter than an AR10 in 308/6.5cm. Now all the military has to do is swap barrels and bolts. It saves money.
Hype. last thing we needed was another cartridge. How about coming up with a smokeless powder thst gives an extra 1,000 fps, is more stable in temp variances.
@@worsel2113 you seem to be missing the point. This is an attempt to maximize what you can do out of an ar15 platform. Can't legally hunt medium-sized game with any of the.224 cartridges. 6.5 Grendel and any of the larger calibers are too slow to be effective at range. 6mm is sweet spot. Rest of it has to do with optimizing case dimensions for accuracy, mag feeding and other considerations. .224 valkerie is a terrible cartridges. Nobody can consistently get the heavies to shoot well. Without being able to shoot heavy for caliber bullets, it's just an anemic 22 nosler.
I’m glad to see someone finally standardized a 6 mm A.R. Wildcat variant cartridge. I have seen people have great results with the 6 mm A.R. and other 6 mm Grendel Wildcats. They should perform a lot better than the 224 Valkyrie.
6mm PPC? The base cartridge from which the 6.5 Grendel was derived. Developed from the .22 PPC, which was itself a lift from the early 1960s Russian 5.6 x 39, a "Running Boar' competition round from the early 1960's, and which was a necked-down 7.62 x 39. The 6mm PPC ruled the roost in a couple of bench rest disciplines for quite a while and it makes a nice field cartridge in a suitably light rifle.
I hope this round gets popular enough so that more companies will produce magazines, hopefully with design improvements. I'm definitely interested! If Wolf starts making this in steel case I think the market will grow well beyond just the precision crowd.
I like the concept of the "6mm Optimum" this round seems like an attempt to standardize a 6mm optimum inspired round. I find this to be a very good thing.
I built an 18 incher to start with and it's REALLY impressed me over the past 4 months. I'm building *2* more now: another AR around a 22" Shaw barrel as well as rebuilding an older Rem 7 SS for a bolt-rifle. PTG makes replacement bolts for ~$200 since the 6ARC uses a PPC-based case. Planning to build it around a 26" Proof carbon wrapped barrel for a lightweight hunting rig. Tons of components for reloading on hand. It's an awesome do-it-all caliber. I'm leaving the barrel burners like 6Creed behind for this. ALL-IN!
@@convenienceisa4letterword320 My question exactly. Will it out shoots the 6 ppc. I'm a tad skeptical of the latest, greatest cartridges and the lofty claims that surround them.
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I really hope the Military picks something Between the 556 and the 308 soon. There are so many great choices out there now, that fit the AR-15 platform.
there is NO ONE RING TO RULE THEM ALL! stick with tried true platforms and just mix n match and improve what you got. we dont need to spend billions on last generation warfare. those billions need to go into 4th gen warfare concepts , strategies and hardware/software.
No the Russians been invented this long ago the 6mm arc is basically a 5.6x39 www.google.com/amp/s/www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/01/10/5-45x39-small-but-perfect-a-history-of-development/amp/
Accumulating the hardware now! Faxon 20 inch barrel, SanTan Tac. BCG on the way! Can't wait to get everything and get on the range. This will be my LR Varmint toy plus!
To: Hornady, Thank you for restraining from cursing in your official product announcement ( kick butt vs the alternative). I and many other people do cuss in daily life, however it still isn’t appropriate for a public company to do so when addressing the public/their customers. Thank you.
I think only the Gen 1 Grendel bolts were known for breaking because they were the .125 faced 7.62x39 bolts. Gen II introduced the .136 face that was stronger and is now the standard. I'm guessing it might still be able to handle 6mm ARC loads that are in spec
What??? Where are the million plus subscribers??? This is freaking HORNADY we are talking about, here Seeiously!! I want to understand how and why this channel is not blowing up with viewers!
I have been shooting the 6mm 22-250 for 16 years. Easy shooting and shoots everything from 65 Vmax to 115 Tubb. The ARC is a little slower than the 6/250 but still a very effective combination in the AR platform. I was thinking in the CZ 557 this would be better than the 7.62x39 or the 6.5 Grendel. Same can be said with the mini-Howa action. I have a 6.5 Creedmoor and a heavy bullet 22-250. They all are excellent but the 6/250 is my favorite, a great all around setup. I tend to shoot the 6/250 more than the others. For the AR and the short mini bolt actions this can be interesting.
RCMP may have to add this to Canada’s FRT as an prohibited cartridge. It was designed for military use so has no use in civilian hands. Scary days for legal firearm owners in the Great White North.
I feel like 6mm arc, if produced in mass production settings, could replace 5.56x45 once and for all because it just does more and does some things better than several other cartridges out there. It just needs to be made available as 5.56 in order to eliminate 5.56 as the gold standard of calibers for the AR rifle. It's an effective combat capable cartridge, is lightweight enough to carry a 24 or possibly 30 round magazine and has the performance so many have been looking for. I've seen guys dropping coyotes at over 500 yards with this caliber and I mean dropping them in their tracks. Will 5.56 always be around? Yes it will, has been for almost 60 years. Is 6mm arc the new and 10x better 5.56? I believe so simply based upon the numbers and personal experience in the field having seen it work.
I’d love to crunch the numbers but y’all talked forever and said nothing. Velocities? Weights? Bullet types? You took a 200lb buck at how far with it? I love Hornady but seriously say something worthwhile
22 ARC next? 22-250 is my favorite coyote cartridge, but the cartridge design taper doesn’t work right in AR platform. Quick follow up shots on coyotes or multiple coyotes is desired, and a 22 ARC may fit the 22 longer range shots on coyotes.
I would love to see more on the testing of the 6.5 Grendel and where it fell short. I understand the lack of velocity. So I am not interested in trying to defend the Grendel or ARC - just your testing and how the Grendel fell out.
Larger case capacity, shorter neck. Slightly more accurate and slightly more powerful, capable of firing almost any weight bullet where the 6mm ppc is slightly limited in that regard. And of course the SAAMI spec, that stuff is really important for consistent accuracy if you don't want to get into handloading every round.
@@PwntifexMaximus Lmao! More accurate than the PPC? You are way off. 6ppc is the most proven and accurate cartridge in the world. Just because it doesn't have the SAMMI BS doesn't mean it is less accurate.
@@dragonflyfab8982 I agree as typically I am not shooting targets behind barriers and at distances beyond typical AR ranges and when I did while in the military, there were other more than suitable tools to do that sort of thing with!
Another thing That hasn't caught on is the 7.62x39 necked down to 7mm. If someone made it then we could get actual SAMMI specs. I think it might make a good mid range deer cartridge but there's cartridges that already do the same. 280 Brit was ahead of the game.
I was liberally starting my build cart for a 6.5 grendle after researching and realizing 6.8 doesn't have as many option yet. Despite the Army planning on adopting it. saw this and looks like I'll have to wait for the products I want out for a build
The army is not adopting the 6.8SPC....the 6.8 they are going with is an entirely different critter. Can you image the army with a 6.8 SPC round and the general public can out shoot them with a basic 6.5 grendel...that would be hilarious, but maybe typical of the Army
I get why the 5.56 necked up to 7mm would be redundant. It's maybe too much like the 300 Blackout, but I'd still like too see it. Good bullet selection, better sectional density with same velocities. Maybe higher velocities too.
Hopefully we can get Dasher like performance in an ar15 platform. The Valkyrie flopped because not very many people could get the heavy 90's to shoot worth a damn, and the factory ammo just never performed.
@@nathanhudelson4935 bought 100 factory rounds of 300 prc, 10 % primer pockets were loose after those were fired. lost 50% after second firing. mild load as well 76.7 h1k at 2833 with 225 eldm
Of course, this cartridge is NOT new. As well as the 6mmAR.com website, this cartridge was discussed in depth by the 6mmAR’s creator Robert Whitley in the article "The 6mmAR Cartridge in AR-15 Spaceguns . . . 2750 fps with 105 Grain Bullets" in the August 2006 issue of Precision Shooting magazine. Redding dies were already available at that time. The question for this cartridge will be: Did Hornady “F” it up like Federal with the 224Valkyrie and let the lawyers??? (liability concerns) insist on a ridiculous amount of freebore/leade so that 105-108 gr. bullets cannot be loaded into the lands and still function in a standard AR length magazine? If this is the case, precision has been severely compromised, and handloaders will soon render a harsh verdict. I will switch my 224V to a 6mm ARC in a heartbeat if I can seat 105 Berger Hybrids (sorry Hornady!) into the lands without cutting out the front of my magazines. BTW - Rockin’ product intro - let’s hope the performance matches the hype!
This might be my next rifles, so I will be interested in the performance. Brass will be important along with the other components associated with the ARC.
The 6mm AR has only been around for over 20 years now. That's all this is. It's a 6mm AR that's has the shoulder dimensions changed so it can be claimed a new cartridge and Hornady can now submit it to SAAMI for specification. Now that the cartridge has SAAMI specification and a ammo manufacturer has "legitimized' the cartridge, the DoD can write the specification into their contracts. It was either this or they would have to pay the originator of the 6mm AR (Robert Whitley if Wiki is correct) to legitimize it for DoD contracts. This isn't even a remotely new tap-dance. 300 Whisper.... 300 AAC Blackout. Ring any bells. All it means is instead of being able to neck down Grendel ammo, we now have different barrels, different reloading dies, different brass, BUT we can get it from an ammo manufacturer and the barrels will be available without buying custom cutters and having a gunsmith custom make an AR barrel for the cartridge. We will see how it pans out. I suspect it will pay off huge for Hornady and might kill 6.5 Grendel.
I like it when companies comes out with a new round but hate it when they dn't back it and/or push it. Like the 224 Valkyria, 300 PRC, 300, 350 Legend and etc
@@killerfungis there is a large difference between a wildcat and a factory produced SAAMI cartidge. I've been a fan of 6mm AR for years but the huge jump in availability has me hypef.
I went to our local outdoor stores during the lock down and after a week you could not find any 5.56 any more but everyone still had plenty of 6.5 grendel, 6.5 creedmore and a ton of other calibers that can be used in either ar-15 or ar-10. I think this great for no other reason than the flexibility of choice in an emergency.
I've been looking to branch out from 223, but brass life is important to me. If I can only get a few firings per case, it's not going to work for me. It sounds good and I love Hornady products, but I'm going to wait for independent reviews after the Valkyrie fiasco.
I love it however, as a retired vet, I want & need a cartridge that is nominally inexpensive to practice with. Contrary to popular myth, the 5.56 did & does its intended job very well & fits within the fiscal cost parameters well. The 7.62 was & is still my round of choice for a heavy AR. I also have great respect for the 7.62x39 in a proper & quality platform such as the Galil ACE. If this cartridge gets beyond fad stage & becomes a DoD or NATO staple, I may take a serious look. I will & am watching with peaked interest.
6mm Grendel, 6mm creedmore, 6mm Remington, .243 win.... There's already plenty of perfectly good 6mm rounds out there with proven ballistics not to mention 6.5 creedmore which is a widely used and well loved round. I'm calling it now, this round is already obsolete before it even makes it to market.
Yay another caliber a manufacturer says is the best that we don’t need . It’ll be just like 6.5 creedmore or 6.5grendel or rem. 6.8spc Ammo isn’t accessible, Hell you can even keep up with 9mm or 45 production right now that we all need. Yeah what I really want is another $42.00 dollar box of 20 rounds .
Have to wait and see if this round catches on. I like the idea of the 6.5 Grendel. But it hasn't caught on as well as the 300 Blackout which is an entirely different type of cartridge - not a long range round. I'm waiting to see how the Army's 6.8 round turns out and if it's available to civilians.
I'll tell u buy 6.5grendel. It's made in bolt actions and ak47 rifles. Russia. Italy. Serbia make ammo for it. Wolf is 5$ a box. And it's been around for 20years. Its more popular today than ever. Ruger howa and cz make bolt actions for it. And many ak and ar15s chamber it. 6arc will be a niche USA hornady only cartridge with no cheap ammo.
Ahhh a cute little round for my daughter to use. I'm sure it shoots great and performs well. But I dont settle for anything less then a 308, i hunt big game and 30 cals are just plain superior with a good shooter pulling the trigger. That being said the military should do fine hunting long pork with the new cartridge.
Yes sir I agree! I don't care how fast these little bullets go im not interested in a hopped up .22 or a 5-6mm round at 55-65 grains. 150gr at 3000f/s is what I'll stick with!!💪💥
ill wait 3 years to see how many people say it sucks.. i had high hopes for the 224 and that was a flop. glad i didnt pull the trigger and build one. love the grendel thou. works for me.. i hope this ARC is as good or better
6mm AR, aka 6mm Grendel, has been a really good wildcat for a long while. This seems to be just a factory optimized and SAAMI specced version so I have more hope. .224 Valk never got me interested because 6.8 SPC is hot garbage.
Number 1 rule to introduceing a new caliber thats actually worth it, supply the ammo readily available first at an affordable price for it's purpose, then let the public judge if it's worth it
I like the cartridge, I shoot a Grendel AR for coyotes and pigs. I was thinking I might build a bolt gun as well as a AR in this cartridge. I was wondering about a powder that wasn't affected by temperature extremes.
I reinvented the wheel. It's a little rounder, a bit shinier, but still rolls like all previous wheels. Buy my newly reinvented wheel today and you can save 50% off the price jacking I'm going to mark up at wholesale.
Common sense tells me that ,If I have a small target to hit at a long range ,and that target is shooting at me as well , I need a gun that can reach out there and get the job done . 5.56 is a close up combat round ,not a long range combat round ; this 6mm seems to be an attempt to meet in the middle and if that works out ,great 👍 . Our armed forces need every advantage they can get .
So... basically a 6mm BR with a heavy bullet for use in a fast twist AR. I actually like it. I’m happy to see this come to the mass market. But come on guys, it’s not really new, innovative, or unique. Let’s give some of the credit where the credit is due. That being said, I hope it does well. Seems like it’s right in the sweet spot.
Hey that load development thing you might want to re-think. Look up 6mm PPC. Thanks to a prophetic marketing campaign now we as the shooting community will be out of .244 bullets. I'm not done, just getting started. Please direct some of your marketing dollars towards bullet production, more specifically .264.
This looks interesting, but why not Grendel? I read the spec sheet and it compares favorably against 5.56 and it has achieved its goal of being better. But Grendel is already here and Grendel does almost the same thing.
They don’t give info on bullets, powder loads, velocities and barrel length. I’m curious to see if it is better that the 6mm SSM. I’m quite sure my heavy 26” barrel turn bolt would kick its ass in the same build. Im quite sure an AR platform built to run a 6mm SSM would easily out do that cartridge. You could run heavy longer or special designed bullets with slower cooler powders at velocities completely out performing this cartridge. This is just an attempt to get a government contract. There are a few cases that out perform that one just by looking at the case. Oh well. If it performs properly to do the job needed, more power to them. Having served and also having proprietary cartridges with my name on them, I would build the best that could be had. If I had the machinists, I could developed one hell of a cartridge and rifle. Just design the bolt, upper, barrel, gas system, Mag well and magazine to operate the cartridge. The design of the AR is a given. The information from other cartridge modifications have already been developed. It is only machining. The gas’s flows and recoil springs and the rest is not that hard to develop. I would rather utilize proven cases with more a efficient combustion chamber and performance to arm our troops. That’s how I see it.
Just after I bought a new ar-15 with a .223 Wylde chamber :( When ammo or at least the brass becomes more available and affordable I will certainly look into this cartridge. I can get .223/5.56 and .308/7.62 anywhere except Walmart but I'm permanently boycotting them SOB's anyway, I think it will be a while until this gains that degree of popularity but I at least want to see it available in the gun shops and hardware store near me before getting one. I have a good feeling about this cartridge from everything I've seen so far.
@@MF-Rell They are continually selling goods and making more money off that, it is millions of customers that are maintaining and growing their fortune by purchasing goods from their stores. Those millions of customers are only one customer each but add up to many millions, if they lose enough individual customers it will hurt their bottom line. They absolutely do care about retaining customers not because they love their customers but they love their profits that can only come if the customers keep coming.
@@phillhuddleston9445 Walmart isn't losing anything. You're being unrealistic. Are you mad bc you can't open carry in Walmart? You shouldn't want to anyway. Is someone was coming to do harm in a store the first person there going to shoot is the one who open carries.
@@MF-Rell No I don't care about open carrying in Walmart, What pissed me off is when the CEO of Walmart wrote a letter to the president of the united states on behalf of Walmart asking him to support and sign several unconstitutional bills such as an "assault weapons" ban, red flag laws and background checks on all firearms transfers that would create a national gun registry. Since then they have supported the Marxist BLM group pledging many millions of dollars to be donated to them and their affiliates and have pledged to hire and support more minorities which can only be done by discriminating against people who are the majority (white people).
@@phillhuddleston9445 you mad about that? Don't you still own yours? Do you really think they're going to take them or are you drinking Trump's Kool aid? People can have different opinions... Some of the anti him people arguments make sense but do I believe everything they say? No!! Handguns are used more in crimes that carbines. You know the second amendment so therefore they can't lawfully take our guns. You're an overly anyways emotional person that knows the constitution but would rather start an argument instead of comprehending that they won't take anything away from us. The US government would crush us in a civil War, remember that.
Question: Why does the Military keeps asking for continual changes on their equipment and replacing the working proven stuff for newer and more expensive ones? Answer: Well obviously the new top brass needs to start funding and working on their future Retirement plan.
hm. as much as i don't buy into the hype, i do have to admit: just like with the grendel, those trajectories from just 52kpsi and limited case capacity are rather nice.
Bah, its just a factory made 6 grendel. They pretty much figured out cartridges in the 1900's and this fangled new things are just for marketing to sell stuff.
We already have a 6mm cartridge based on the 7.62x39/220 Russian case, with a 30 degree shoulder, it is well established and might be the most accurate round ever conceived; may have won more bench rest competitions than any other. It is called 6 PPC. But Hornady needed something "new" to push on the shooting public I guess. Great cartridge but give a little credit where credit is due guys, otherwise it comes across as a ripoff (not that this is anything new in the firearms industry).
Yeah casing is totally a determining factor of cartridge power, that's why .38 special is sooo much more powerful than 9mm right? I mean look how much longer it is!
Why did it take so long for a 6mm to be adapted to the ar15 platform? Even the lesser 6x45 was better than the 5.56. The 6mm ARC would add at least a 100yd more effective range over the 5.56. We have come full circle from the 6mm Lee Navy with the addition of modern technology. ABOUT TIME
