where your research falls short is that your missing the fact that the spear was reforged around then. This was done by people like you who want to control the historical information for their own ignorant agenda. Sucks to be you
Longinus likly was carrying a common pillum, a throwing spear with a wooden shaft tipped by a along iron rod with a spear point at the front end. Designed to be thrown and on impact bend such that the unfortunate foe hit with it could not easily dislodge it. Light and handy it would have been a great personal defense weapon to carry on duty for a Legionaire present at a public execution much like an M4 or AK would be toted today, or an MP40 or STEN during WW2. Whatever happened to it after the Crucifixion would be however Ancient and Medieval discarded armor and weapons would have been recycled. Maybe its part of an engine block, wrench, or skyscraper pillar by this time.
This is the most sane opinion I've seen so far and also happens to be my own. Just like with the stories of the holy grail that you hear, that spear wouldn't have been anything special. Every other soldier there had one just like it, and it's very unlikely anyone kept that particular spearhead as a relic. Claiming to have holy relics and enshrining these objects in cathedrals was more about power and convincing people you deserved that power.
True. At the time I would think that to the Romans, Jesus was just a guy being executed. The spear would've continued its life as the weapon it was intended to be. Maybe ended up in someone and buried, discarded or eventually recycled to something else.
@@cylon1983 I'd like to think it still exists as something useful, perhaps a K Bar on a serviceman's hip. or a gun barrel in a 1911 sidearm. Maybe just rusted away in discarded junk about 2000 years ago or became a hammer or shovel.
Unless the Roman legionary was a Triarii - in which case he would have carried a Hasta (a broad bladed spear). Triarii were the last line of defence in a Roman assault unit.
If you want to read a fictitious version of the lance read the Barry Sadler series 'Casca: The Eternal Mercenary' follows Longinus as he is cursed by Jesus to live eternally until Jesus returns. The series follows his life over 2,000 years during major events in history.
Longinus wasn't cursed, when he pierced Jesus, water and blood droped on him and cleared him from his sins, and he than saw who actually was Jesus, and later he became saint, at least he is saint in our church (orthodox), he make many pagans into christians, this is the first time that i red that Longinus was actually cursed.
That is not the spearhead of a common Roman soldier. You would have tremendous difficulty identifying the soldier, much less the spear. A week later, the soldier himself might have had no idea which spear he had drawn from the armory that day.
Roman soldier: okay I think this guy is dead, let me just check with my boring, average, everyday spear that every other soldier has. I hope this doesn’t cause any problems in the future. Everyone else: its a holy relic now! I deserve it!
I know this is out on a limb here, but I had a thought. So many famous items have gone missing over time. I honestly wonder if sometime in the future someone hasn’t invented a Time Machine and gone back and collected items BEFORE history loses track of them. Wars and other times of upheaval would be perfect times to pop back too and snap up an item, or swap it for a fake. Just a thought. Good video.
It would have to be invented long ago for people to be able to travel no further past the point it was invented or it would never work like people can't travel back to th3 dinosaurs but if it was invented let's say in 1999 could only go back as far as 1999 and not 1998
@@jBurNaa What exactly is your reasoning for that? Who's physics are you quoting? Since one hasn't been invented (we are aware of) then how would you know how it works?
Not sure where it was recorded that Longinus was blind. This video is the first time I have ever heard this version of the tale. But, think about it. A blind Roman soldier? If he was blind, how could he have known where to thrust the spear? Why would a Roman cohort keep a blind man on active duty? As a guard? That makes no sense. The Viennese spear allegedly had one of the nails used to crucify Jesus embedded in it? Obviously, this would have to have been a later alteration to the spear because the nails were still holding the body to the cross when it was used to pierce his side. That makes no sense, either. Also, the Nazis didn't invade Austria in 1938. The Nazis annexed Austria in a move called "The Anschluss." They simply declared Austria was part of Germany. It was a political move, not a military one. Personally, I don't trust any story regarding any "holy relic." They all seem to come from hundreds, even thousands, of years after the fact. They are all tales constructed by those in power to keep or increase their hold on the ignorant folks over whom they rule. I am not so easily intimidated.
Have you ever seen "Robin Hood: Men in Tights?" There is a scene where a blind man in on guard duty. He is asked what he is doing and says "I'm guessing? I'm guessing no one is coming?"
Also the Romans - Pontius Pilate washed his hands of Jesus letting the Jews decide his fate, and the Jews wanted him crucified so the Romans crucified him.
And they wouldn’t have kept the spear as a keep sake as Jesus was considered a martyr and a nobody. He would have been looked on as a common person just as any of the others being crucified at that time albeit he was probably considered crazy for speaking out agains the status quo. And to say it again, why would any military keep a blind soldier? That makes zero sense.
“And why do 4 additional versions exist” I haven’t watched the video yet, but my guess is- Two spares, a display model, and one for the kids to play with. Okay- on to watch and confirm this!
Ah, the spear of Casca Longinus. Barry Sadler, of "Ballad of the Green Berets" fame, in later life, wrote a cool series of books about Longinus, cursed to be a soldier forever, fighting in wars throughout history. He himself died while fighting as a mercenary in Afghanistan, back in the 90s, though I think his death was in a bar fight. Quiz next week. Peace.
The version of the spear that has what is evidently gold wrapped around its middle section, as well as many grooves and other embellishments rendered into the forging itself, is the version that I have most often seen in photographs and videos of the true lance. However, it seems unlikely to me that such an ornate and no doubt expensive spear head would belong to an average Roman foot soldier. I do not mean to imply that the holy lance does not exist, but if it does, I would expect it to be a simple and common object; nothing more than is required to arm the infantry. Assuming that to be true, it seems likely that it would be a difficult item to find, as well as to certify it's lineage back to Longinus himself. Although I am not religious myself, I think it would be amazing and exciting to discover that the true lance still exists today and is possessed by some responsible party.
I would suggest changing the into noise. the beeps and boops are ear piercing. The spear that would have been used would have been a basic spear head and not fancy at all. It wouldn't have been near as big either.
@Xhade Brinsbane That's just it the crucifixion wasn't ceremonial or ritualistic. it was a standard sentencing of criminals. they had normal guards and not an honor guard.
what kind of literal idiot would believe in a spear! science is the only real religion! it wasnt jesus who saved us from covid it was masks social distancing lockdowns and the vaxxine!
It's funny that we have perfect examples. that have survived throughout history. Examples of what Roman soldiers Lance's would have looked like. No one is comparing what these artifacts look like. in comparison to the actual lances of the time
There are a few strange artifacts in New Zealand museums you could check out. One is the "Korotangi" or Bird of Sorrow. Another is the "Tamil Bell". There is also the "Spanish Helmet". The questions around them are a mix of what actual are they, who made them and how did they get there ?
Thank you for sharing Dark5. This is something very difficult to express. Especially having seen the movie "Constantine". How truth can be stranger than fiction. Although there are similarities in the movie that, do not depict the accuracy of the true spear. It remains one of the most controversial movies about it. Besides that of "Passion of the Christ". I admire that you had enough courage to research this without anyone going after you. I'd be a little scared if I got into it. Well, "Constantine" was scary. Thank you though, this is really interesting content.
Indeed you are right, Nero is the same way, we are taught and so believe he was some dumb monster but looking at his personal history he is 100% a different person and not that monster taught to all, first off he had zero to do with hurting a certain religious people in the arena, that was another person's job and not the rulers in irony to popular belief. Nero's mother was messed up and for decades played chess with her son like he was just a pawn of use and nothing more yet he did her in is the part we get in school and history that stands out most. So much in history is just like this tiny example.
If the spear that pierced Christs side is so important what ever became of the nails that held him to the cross? History is weird! Love your work @Dark5. Edit: well we know where one nail ended up at least :D
& we know the alleged cross the pretend man was affixed to must’ve been between seven hundred to one thousand feet tall what with all the claimed splinters & shards people have put forth as parts of the true cross.
I don't think he was blind. However, there was a possibility that if it was true, he would've only been partially blind due to an eye injury during battle. Thus, leading him to only be of service for criminal executions, guard duty, etc. I don't know but that's a possibility.
Actually, Jesus was intended to die on the cross as reparation for the sin of all mankind, as the ultimate sacrifice which was represented by the Jewish practice of sacrificing a lamb on the day of atonement for the Nation of Israel, it is important to note, the lamb chosen to be sacrificed could have no blemish, be sickly or have broken bones. If the Romans had broken the legs of Jesus (as was the practice, since in order to breathe while on the cross you had to push up with your legs, and of course when the legs were broken you suffocated) it would have made Jesus an unfit sacrifice.
I just wanted to hear the story told by Mr.Gloom and Doom. This is how storys get stretched into legend to Myth. Thanks! He could make reading a phone book sound like a disaster.
Truth is: none of them are the actual spear. Have you seen a Roman spear? They not anywhere near as elaborate as any of the supposed "spears of destiny" if the real one is out there: we will never know it's true location.
The SCP universe has the best spear mythology. They call it the spear of the non believer or the godless lance. Pretty cool when it fights with the sword of Lucifer.
This was a nice overview of the general history of the spear clearly it could be lost to history or reproduced even if it was original and dated back to that time it would still be a relic of interest but not the actual spear of course the comments here by all the basement dwellers are really funny
Wait! They gave a blind soldier a spear, and he was the one selected to pierce someone elevated on a cross to SEE if blood flowed. That is some amazing ability while bilnd.
Let's not forget the other important artifact from Antioch. The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch which King Arthur used to smite the vile Rabbit of Caerbonnog. 😁😁😁😁😁
Piercing the side of jebus gave the spear the ability of granting total victory over one's enemies.. which of course is something a such a peace-obsessed dude like jebus would want.. It's all so ridiculous.
These relics exist because relics were a big niche market. Pious people would buy anything that was proclaimed to be associated with Jesus or anything from a Saint.
If blood/fluid were draining it is because there's still a heartbeat elsewise as dehydrated as he was and nothing by mouth in hours any blood would drain down as any fluids would also..so maybe this is a clue to whomever could read between the lines....
Am I the only one who wants it? I wish I owned that and the holy Grail. There are so many ancient artifacts I wish I owned. I want the bow and arrows of Heracles. I want Achilles armor I want Alexander’s armor. I want the animal skins that Jesus made for Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. I want every artifact that belongs to Jesus. I’m sure the RothChilds own most of that.
It's Wulfhere's Elena which is most revealing about Constantine's mum, the fishwife. You can just see the contact in Jerusalem, "Jesus' Cross? We can do them wholesale."
@@user-ov8ji8oq2v ig maybe now that legends of tomorrow thought of doing it but mind you this the spear of destiny in the show was based of the real one so yea
Superstitions and fables passed down by generations. "Anybody that has this thing in my hand shall rule the world." Proceeds to get defeated, then "Oh, that's not the real one, this one is." The part of history I find to be the most fascinating is, we still don't know how much of it was fabrications or counterfeits that were handed down. The more artifacts we find, some can be explained away to a religiosity that will "find" reasons why the previous artifact was not the real one, but not divulge it, and by that point there are so many fakes, they just make up another story. On top of that, the people maintaining the artifacts were the same ones that had every reason to misrepresent it from the start. The same church that relies on the beliefs that the artifact is authentic, is also the same one that needs to maintain it is authentic to prove their beliefs. If the Vatican were to allow true investigation into it's relics, they have a religious and monetary motivation to make every effort to ensure their authenticity is not disproven. If these "artifacts" were to be disproven, the perceived value drops from $3 Billion to $1 Million, so they have a financial stake & religious motivation in limiting access. Counterfeiting always had a financial motive, so how many of the relics we have perceived as real were actually fakes that were unknowingly believed to be real? I would be heartbroken if I spent my entire life investigating an artifact just to find out it was a fraud from some shyster back in the middle ages or earlier. They learned the lesson of letting the Shroud of Turin be investigated too closely, and now it's whole authenticity is murky because carbon dating dated it to "between the years 1260 and 1390" to a 95% accuracy. Add in the fact that the Catholic church always had a an anti-science stance (because it could have the ability to disprove them), and I take any religious artifact with a grain of skepticism. It's frustrating that one has to be skeptical of everything because the Catholic church has such a history of representing their own best interests instead of humanity's. It continues to this day as they still protect themselves instead of the victims of the church abuse scandals among other things. Science continues to evolve, but the church still protects itself instead of humanity. They preach "The Truth", but have proven to lie (often). I may have gone a bit off topic, but is it wrong to question a narrative or, is it better to prove a certainty?
The original lance would have been an ordinary Roman infantry weapon, one of thousands made with no great particular artistry. Far more important are Christ's greatest hits: Love your neighbor. Only truth can set you free. Forgive your enemies.
