THE ASCENSION OF ANGRON! 

Because he sucks

It is the end times. Guilliman's primaris have succeeded. The loyalists have reunited the majority of the imperium. Abbadon is dying. Blood drenches his ragged smile. He looks up. From the sword, to the hand, to the face. And his smile widens. Abbadon has succeeded. Guiliman's imperium is his prize. A a lesser jewel than his fathers's, but one of flawless construction. A ceramite turbrine forever bound to spin in the winds of chaos. Forever spinning upon a fixed axis. Forever empowered by the unending winds of chaos. Humanity is but an object for chaos to flow around and through. Never again to stand against the tide and drive it back. Forever bound to it's bulwark and the minor turbulences it creates as chaos flows around and through it. Abbadon smiles his last and the light of the astronomicon goes out. He is calm. That is to say enraged, but stilled, receptive - if but only for a moment. Never a gifted psyker, none the less he feels it. As though the sun where on his back one moment, and then not. And then he feels it again. This time upon his face. Rising to meet it he bellows with a fury that shakes his halls. He would devour this star as easily as if a child had been foolish enough to stand between his boot and the ground. It reaches him and matches his fury with his its own. It comes to him with passion and strength and he matches it in kind. It dares. His rage grows. He unleashes his rage and it is met, halted - but not in kind. The rage flows out of him and the light flows through him. His bellow still reverberates, but silence has settled upon the hall. The light is gone. He neither feels it upon his face nor his back. All that remains is the clatter of nails upon the floor. Angron - a ghost no more. __________ I am a casual pleb so pardon any egregious lore issues. Just having a bit of fun.

Facts... it was a double bad for me because I hadn't caught up on the lore and I though Lorgar had a chance to redeem himself but when he did this to Angron (I didn't know about Calth yet) I knew he wasn't gonna be a Loyalist.

#BlameLorgar

@@user-xk9gw1gf8c Nah, it's all Magnus' fault.

He was robbed of that and more. He couldn't even die with comrades that truly deserved his loyalty.

I believe that if the Emperor would have helped Angron save his people, Angron wouldn't have been swayed as easily. Angron would have felt far mor loyalty to the Emperor. This book made me understand Angrons hate for the Emperor.

​@@xSystem1111x By the time the Emperor encountered Angron he had already become completely and utterly ground down due to the incomprehensibly monumental task of uniting humanity and conquering the galaxy and had become completely apathetic when it came to bringing his wayward sons into the fold. Meaning he was so far passed the point of caring about recruiting his sons the right way which was earning their trust and admiration before taking them under his wing and simply wanted it done as quickly as possible so that he could further bolster the forces of the crusade. Honestly just think about how messed up humans become as a result of war in the real world and then imagine having to fight a galactic spanning war where the very fate of the human race rests on your shoulders and then as if that wasn't enough you also have to wage a secret war against the ruinous powers which nobody can know about. Yeah that would rob anyone of their humanity no matter how mentally, physically and spiritually elevated they are.

@@Doomseer But that in of itself was the Emperors undoing. For the Emperor had pre-planned the Horus Heresy because he wanted to kill off the Primarchs & the Astartes once they conquered the galaxy for him. However it started sooner than anticipated AND Emps didn't expect the forces of Chaos to get involved in it.

@@barklordofthesith2997 Yeah I understand why you think that bro but that's simply not correct because for one Malcador was straight up lying when he said that to the one dying imperial in order to assuage her fears that the Horus heresy was going to be the undoing of the Imperium and much of that is due to the fact that he knew the existentially horrific fate which awaited her once her soul passed into the immaterium. So he wanted her at the very least to die with hope in her heart that the Imperium she loved so much and fought so hard for would endure by convincing her that the heresy was indeed all a part of the Emperor's grand design. However the truth is far more complicated because even though the Emperor without a doubt knew some sort of terrible civil war would at some point occur he didn't exactly know how it would start or by who's hands and definitely didn't except in the slightest that it would be his own sons who'd eventually kick off the civil war. Furthermore he never intended to kill the astartes and especially not the primarchs because even though his relationships with them were complicated at the best of times he definitely loved them in his own way and more importantly knew that no matter how strong the Imperium became they would always need them when taking into account the very real possibility that there were still threats out there which had not yet revealed themselves such as the Tyranids as a perfect example. Also I know you'll probably say then why did he wipe out the thunder warriors and honestly all I can say in response is that he had no other recourse then to take them out of play once Terra had been conquered because they were always imperfect creations which were unstable to put it very mildly and bread for only purpose being of course constant warfare and as such wouldn't of been able to handle even the briefest periods of peace without going flat out crazy and turning on each other and their human allies. So in short they were blunt instruments instead of the highly refined tools that were the primarchs and their legions.

Now *that* would be interesting! We'd actually get to see what he should have been. Although he would be without a legion.

If the clone retained all the memories up to the point of his reunion with his father, the clone would probably also go rouge. Big E. did Angron a big dirty, the most compared to all his other brothers at the point of their reunions I would argue.

There's Roboutian Heresy Angron where he never had the nails at all.

As a gift to that workd eater apothecary that became Biles equerry

dmastermanga i think that just based Angrons free spirit alone would cause him to loathe the Imperium, not his father, but empires, in general

that's the best part but i felt bad for Esker and only Esker he deserved better his was a very sad tale

for a moment I thought they were actually going to kill Lorgar.

@@vincebradleysolante7895 nah he's a primarch lorgar was a beast that fight he was only having a hard time cause his hand got blown away. But when you Hear Angron say My Brother!! you know what's gonna go down it's handsdown the best battle in the book

Its so unfair. ;c Let's start a riot!

Thought the same. Good week though. Found out so much more about Angron lol

Angron month? 😍

That's 2020 for ya lol.

Dr. Medic BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD 🩸🩸, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE 💀💀

As much as they genuinely did, they never really deserved Angron's loyalty, nor did the Emperor or the imperium at large for how he was "procured". What was left of Angron belonged to the slaves who all died on his homeworld trying to fight for freedom and the end of tyrant slavemasters. What was left was slain by the emperor on that faithful reunion, and instead he made a creature ready to betray him. I believe as much as Big E. wanted to not admit, a sane Angron without the butcher's nails would have rebelled faster than the one blinded by rage. Angron himself admitted to this prior his open rebellion, that the nails were the only thing making it possible for him to follow his father's orders. The opportunity to commit mass slaughter was the only thing that gave Angron pleasure all thanks to the nails, and I think the emperor fully knew this and was aware it was the only way he could continue using him as a tool after the big dick-move he committed against his son.

Words cannot describe how much I hate Lorgar.

@Ahmad Zubair he hated Guilliman for his indifference. He saw cold duty in his eyes on Manarchia and thought he didn't care for him or his legion.

Scared? Lol He wrecked Guilliman's pretty blonde face.

@@BBlueu2 Pretty? Guilliman looks like an older uncle lol

That would be an incredible finale. Especially if the Emperor ended up killing himself for real in the process of freeing his son.

Think about what the big E would need to do to Slaneesh to get Fulgrim back... nightmare fuel right here haha

Also it would prove that Lorgar was right all along. I don’t think Emp’s ego could survive that.

Well, Fabius bile had cloned all of them at one point, cloning Angron would have made a Nailless version but i guess that went down the drain since he whont make loyalist clones except the Fulgrim that the necron guy has.

I dont think he would have chosen it willingly even if it were offered. He wanted death and freedom from servitude. Becoming a demon offers neither so lorgar tricked him into becoming one while his mind was completely lost in the rage of battle.

@@degalrants7968 See it in pretty much every single religious fanatic ever.

The makeup of his brain was literally altered and you think he could just will that away?!

@@Tracker947 He would've at least tried if he still had any of his people left to protect. Humans made him a slave, replaced part of his brain with Butcher's Nail, the Emperor robbed him of his people and left them to die. Angron doesn't owe humanity/Emperor a thing. Humanity/Emperor made their choices, Angron is the consequence. This is the Angron they earned, this is the Angron they deserve.

This is the most stupid take ever. Lorgar opined to Magnus about Angron's fate, in his discussions with magnus, Lorgar was entirely surprised and disgusted when Magnus was fine with Angron dying due to the nails. It literally drove Lorgar mad and it made Lorgar promise Magnus that he will save Angron from death. Again, Lorgar could've just enacted his concentration on Guilliman and killed him with the psychic power that he would have used to ascend Angron yet he did not because he valued Angron's life higher than his own goal.

Angron was lost the moment he was betrayed by his father during their reunion. He warned the Emperor himself, that he would be leaving with only a ghost of his son and the Emperor was content with effectively killing what's left of his son and making use of a tool instead. Super-human or not, I don't think after all he went through, he could have "fixed it himself", he certainly could have before the Emperor totally blind-sided him, but that's what finally broke the camel's back after a lifetime of non-stop physical/mental agony while a torture device stuck in your head aggressively messed with your sanity. His trans-human physiology can be credited for keeping him together enough to get him to lead a cause that was clearly just during his rebellion against slavemasters, but something much more within broke from his father's transgressions, something that even the lifetime of slavery or being under the influence of the butcher's nails couldn't even break. "You kept that mule Kor Phaeron. Russ kept his kin-friends. The Lion kept Luther. Humans - brothers and foster fathers - saved and raised into Legion ranks. But not me. Not Angron, no. Did the Emperor teleport his gold-wrapped Custodians down to help me and my army? No. Did he free the War Hounds and order them to battle, fight alongside me? No. Did he save my brothers and sisters the way he spared and honoured the Lion's closest kin? The way he honoured Kor Phaeron? No, no and no. No mercy for Angron. Angron the Oathbreaker. Angron the Betrayer." - Primarch Angron explaining his anger towards the Emperor

@Ahmad Zubair That was about yhe Lorgar exerpt.

@Ahmad Zubair lol no... Guilliman was getting his ass kicked by Lorgar. And He stands no chance against Angron in close combat.

He killed the world eaters trying to stop Lorgar, I think the gods would trust that into some form of consent

That's not entirely true, as we see in Fulgrim's ascension. Yes, he wanted to ascend. But Perturabo notoriously hated witchcraft, and a piece of him was used to help in Fulgrim's ascension. Then there's the act of Daemonic possession; That is not always a willing act. It can be forced. Lorgar is the one who performed the ritual. He does it to save Angron's life, but it is forced upon him in a consistent manner with what we've seen of Chaos.

@@Nurriek He didn't necessarily hate the act of witch-craft specifically, but the Chaos pantheon are just another band of would-be Emperor's in his life. Perturabo was all about sticking it to any authority that would try to place itself above him after years of trying to appease the one he had before.

@@dmastermanga That isn't true. The Iron Warriors, and by extension, Perturabo are vehemently anti-sorcery and Warp-yuckies. This is evidenced by the fact that the Iron Warriors will amputate mutation from their form and replace it with cybernetics. Or the fact that Perty himself could see the Eye of Terror in the sky no matter where he was, and that he felt like it was watching him. It made him feel uncomfortable. And he cast his vote against the Librarius at the Council of Nikea. He would use a Psyker / Sorcerer, if necessary. But he was not in favour of them at all.

We don’t know that for certain. And Khorne isn’t exactly a contract signing kinda guy. He was summoned by Lorgar, offered Angron the power he wanted in that moment, and Angron took it without a second thought.

No Name I think Russ & Vulcan would still be contenders.

Dorn, and Perturabo are the best Primarchs! All of the others boasted in their personal abilities, but that is not what they were made for. They were made to command legions, Sanguinius feared Perturabo, and Horus wished that Dorn was on his side. Blood for the true Blood God, the one that sits on the Golden Throne ... Iron within, Iron without

He, before the nails, was actually a healer who could take the pain of others. I think the theory stands on a good base.

I don’t disagree that Antron was supposed to be a healer. On reflection, I believe nearly every Primarch commanded absolute loyalty within his OWN legion. I believe a Primarch’s ability to command loyalty not only from the Astro Milatarum BUT from other legions is a much more significant accomplishment. In that regard, sadly, Russ had the disapproval of many of his brothers....Sanguinius was one of the few Primarchs that could command loyalty across the imperium.

Even without the nails, there would be the issue of the Emperor's bad first impression. Horus with his charisma would exploit it, like "Emperor discarded your friends just like he will discard you after the crusade is over" type of argument.

I always assumed that you had to voulentarily accept apotheosis or chaos gifts

@@alexthebassist23 I would think so too, but there are plenty of instances where exposure to Chaos can turn you to Chaos. Angron was hit with a lot more corrupting Warp energy than that. Maybe if he refuses the Warp energy just kills him or turns him into warp spawn? "Accept apotheosis and serve me forever or die" is a pretty tyrannical offer, but the amount of energy being directed at Angron makes me wonder whether such an offer even needed to be made.

I hate this specific lore point. Instead of Angron becoming a psychopathic maniac that enjoys slaughter and skills then begins re-decorating his ships with skulls and rivers of blood from his enemies and THEN deciding to become a demon himself, it is implied that without Lorgar on the premises Angron would not ascend or would start worshiping the god of skulls in the first place. It doesn't make sense to me for someone to become an unwilling servant of Slaanesh or Khorne, like what seems to be happening to Fulgrim and Angron. I think writers are trying to create sympathetic characters where they shouldn't be. Some guys can be just bad.

Khorne doesn’t give “offers.” I don’t think Khorne is capable of understanding the concept of it. I remember in Soul Hunter, also by ADB, Talos is approached in a vision by avatars of all four Gods. Tzeentch and Slaanesh try to seduce him with promises of power, Nurgle simply refuses him, but Khorne doesn’t even speak. Khorne is a nonverbal ball of pure irrational rage. If you share that rage, you invite him. And in the moment where Angron saw the remains of his brothers desecrated, he had that true level of ferocity and bloodlust. He would have done anything to get revenge. Khorne simply provided him the tools to do so. Khorne has no ulterior motives or desire to manipulate, Angron was already doing what he wanted. But now stronger.

@@Entrophius I believe Angron would have turned to Khorne on his own given time. If he survived the heresy as a mortal and fled to the Eye it would be a pretty certain fate. But Angron didn’t have that time, he was dying. Lorgar just sped him through the process. He WAS willing, the situation was just engineered to ensure he reached a desperate enough state. Lorgar’s plan was basically just to trigger the fuck out of his PTSD and then flood him with warp energy. There was no true misleading or trickery of Angron, just putting him in the right place at the right time doing the right thing.

Just throw angron and the world eaters at an ork empire and see what happens

The emperor should have just took angron and removed the nail forcefully cause angron would probably be a little B*tch about it or he could throw him at orks in the first place

@@orcslayerwhatifs4507 I think the the reason is that the nails can't be removed without killing him at this point. Although I'm with you. I feel like big E could have figured something out

Even then Don't they have cryogenic stasis where he could sleep until they had a way

@@Max-zr7hr The Emperor would have to keep him sedated and alive with his psychic powers. The nails would kill Angron in response to the psychic powers.

While Lorgar was indeed a religious zealot, you have to admit that what Emps did on Manarchia was a total dick move & it does drive the storyline forward that Lorgor would then be driven to find something to fill the void left by the Emperor himself. (plus all the novels would be MUCH shorter if these events didn't take place.) example - Horus Heresy book #1 "Doesn't exist because Lorgar never turned to Chaos."

A woman so badass, she shot a World Eater in the face with a las pistol, gave him a stern talking to and won the respect of every World Eater on the ship.

@@randomcenturion7264 Delvarius. A amazing bit of Betrayer.

Not really now hes permanently made a slave

@@christophercombs7561 He always was a slave, now he got a pair of wings. It's a bargain.

@@Nhosto i disagree that the primarchs were slaves you dont give slaves wide latitude and clearly lethal weapons

@@christophercombs7561 I think he meant in a more metaphorical way, a slave to his nails and to his anger, which is exactly what Guilliman says in the fight.

@@Demigodish4o3 yeah thats true i think had they made it through the great crusade or the ham webway big E could have saved him

When was Angron ever seen as a hero?

@@heathenpride7931 Imperial propaganda, such as the Remembrancers, was focused on portraying the primarchs and Emperor as heroes, crusaders for the good of humanity. Anyone who met Angron for 5 minutes would be dispelled of that notion, but that was the kind of public image they built for him.

This!!!!!!!!!

Kurze has stated that the longer you fight G-man, the better he gets at predicting and countering you. And I'd call Angron and Lorgar 2 of the most predictable primarchs.

@@Demigodish4o3 nope ANgron is not predictable ,he is a berserker with a disregard for his own life and safety he would do anything to kill his enemy , even Russ stated that ,that angron cannot be predicted .

@@BaldyAngry dang, that's true that Leman said so. I guess I just find it difficult to understand why. Being unpredictable has nothing to do with Angron and Khorne. Best I can guess is that in his rage, Angron just starts thrashing around randomly, but...isn't that easy to see coming?

Ekter being unpredictable is khorne, he’s might be a god of slaughter but he’s also a god of war, being predictable makes you worse at fighting wars. Just because his main marines are blood lusting berserkers doesn’t mean everyone else that worship him can’t strategize as long as you don’t use deception on those trusted you and be honorable he’s fine with it, look at the blood pact guys

@@BaldyAngry You don't know much about actual combat. More more angry you can make your opponent, the easier they are to predict. Ali Vs. Foreman is a textbook example of this.

yes. This lore remains as one of the most contentious one because of the seemingly out of season heel-turn by the Emperor. While all the other primarchs were treated by a father just reunited to his sons, Angron was treated by one that had flesh, yet had the soul of a god-corpse completely stripped of his humanity the emperor would become in the future.

The word bearers are the main rivals of the ultramarines but GW hasn't done a good job of writing them lately, the word bearers and lorgar were written amazingly well in the heresy but now they don't do anything

And a big ol' stab in the front by Big E. not back, no. front. Big E. bluntly states to him that he was content with leaving with just a "ghost" of his son. If I was a slave all my life, then someone who claims to be my father deprived me from what was left of my humanity could define as its most crucial moment to hastily get me to committing more genocides, that entity claiming to be my father may as well have admitted to being my new slavemaster and I a tool.

Same! He didn't even talk about the great interaction when they first returned to Nuceria and Angron laughs.

I don’t think in the lore Angron needs any tactics, he is a monster so big (in size and in actual danger) that he could charge headfront anything, including Titans, and he would still get things done. He almost doesn’t need any guile, because he always was a the most dangerous CQ foe the Emperor made, plus with the “gifts” of Khorne it is almost impossible to stop it (even for Mary Sues Grey Knights).

@@NueThunderKing I disagree his lack of tactics cost him Armageddon. also i don´t want Angron to appear as some form of mindless monster. Have him be an Angron who have ascended above the nails, who while still a monster in Close Combat knows how to use his powers to win battles.

What did he refuse exactly?

@@dmastermanga to learn from the example that Russ tried to show him. That his was outright butchering everything, even his own sons.

@@willsword8100 That's fair, what's not is assuming there was anything left of Angron to feel numb about apart for rage. Angron is a product of a lifetime of physical/mental agony and permanently attached torture devices that drove him to a violent insanity. What's ultimately tragic is that it was not Nuceria or the nails that broke him, it was his father. He had warned the emperor he would be leaving with just his son's ghost after his decision of ripping Angron away from his true family who were about to die, like the wolves of Fenris is to Russ. His father coldly states that he was content with that prize. There was no part of Angron left to learn, there was only insane hatred left. You couldn't defend Angron's actions past the moment he was betrayed by the emperor, but you can't also give Russ or any critics ignorant of Angron's own life and betrayal from his father an easy pass for their blind presumptions of what their brother was at that point even capable of doing. "*Russ kept his kin-friends*. The Lion kept Luther. Humans - brothers and foster fathers - saved and raised into Legion ranks. But not me. Not Angron, no. Did the Emperor teleport his gold-wrapped Custodians down to help me and my army? No. Did he free the War Hounds and order them to battle, fight alongside me? No. Did he save my brothers and sisters the way he spared and honoured the Lion's closest kin? The way he honoured Kor Phaeron? No, no and no. No mercy for Angron. Angron the Oathbreaker. Angron the Betrayer."

😭😭😭😭😭

WE DO NOT SPEAK OF THEM!!

Who?

As long as we don't know what happened who knows.

I kind of like that though, Guilliman is blinded by his fresh contempt for Lorgar and his own privileged upbringing. Guilliman essentially tells Angron to 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps'. I am sure looking back from the 41st Millennium Guilliman would have said something different like 'Past does not have to dictate your future' etc.

While Robbie did have a good upbringing, its not like it was all wine and roses. His father was murdered, he avenged that, then he had to run an empire. That ain’t easy. Everyday a thousand decisions that impact billions, trying to get it right, being wracked by guilt when you get it wrong. responsibility sucks. RG was correct, Angron never grew past his life on Nuceria.

@@spike.strat1318 He didn't grew past it because nothing was left alive to "grow" in the first place. What the Emperor did during his reunion effectively destroyed what was left of an Angron beyond his psychotic induced rage. When big E took him without a meaningful intervention of his affairs, Angron already warned that all the Emperor was coming back with was a ghost of his son, and like the big douche bag big E. was at that moment states that he was content with that. "You kept that mule Kor Phaeron. Russ kept his kin-friends. The Lion kept Luther. Humans - brothers and foster fathers - saved and raised into Legion ranks. But not me. Not Angron, no. Did the Emperor teleport his gold-wrapped Custodians down to help me and my army? No. Did he free the War Hounds and order them to battle, fight alongside me? No. Did he save my brothers and sisters the way he spared and honoured the Lion's closest kin? The way he honoured Kor Phaeron? No, no and no. No mercy for Angron. Angron the Oathbreaker. Angron the Betrayer." - Primarch Angron explaining his anger towards the Emperor All of Guilliman's accusations were short-sighted and even out of line despite their circumstances. Comparing their life experiences is like comparing of that between a Politician within a dysfunctional civilisation, and a physically and mentally brutalised slave of an even more horrific civilisation. Papa Smurf was completely blinded by his vengeance and his own priveleged up-bringing compared to Angron's.

I mean. Calth happened. That was Lorgar's idea, and at that point the Ultramarines and Guilliman were out for blood after that, it was to be expected.

@Dionysus’ Grapes fair enough, as I say I stopped buying the books when I realised I wasn't going to read 90% ever again. Stuck to 40k since.

@Dionysus’ Grapes ah yes: Don't tell the boss bad news when you have no good news to report as well

@Isakur the emperor didn't want to. He knew Angron was a better weapon with the nails then without them.

Because the implantation cut away and replaced part of his brain. Remove the nails, he dies.

@@kelman727 I don't think that is entirely true. I read a section where an encounter with the emperor was told to the eyes of a citizen. He had a bum arm from birth and, upon seeing the arm, the emperor said " heal " and the arm was restored. So I think he had the capability to take the nails out and still save Angron.