We have ourselves a new, dark, Gothic crime opus, which takes us through the criminal world of Gotham city, with Batman as our tour guide. Here's my review for THE BATMAN! #TheBatman
I read an interview where Matt Reeves mentions that the brooding Bruce Wayne was intentional. He said that he wanted for the audience see Bruce before he develops his "public" personality. You have to remember that Batman is really who he is. "Bruce Wayne" is the real costume he wears. I think this is a very interesting approach as its never been done on film.
@@megamikethemovieman At first I was very disappointed. But then again I never saw his movies. And I am a big Batfleck fan so that was another issue. But after seeing the trailers and checking out some of his movies, I'm pretty pumped.
Yeah, I didn't see that interview, but that's kind of what I was hoping for. Given that this is a year 2 Batman and Gotham is in its deepest, darkest place at the time we join this Batman, it wouldn't make sense for him to already be running around with a big smile, glad-handing everybody. This is still "my family was murdered, my city sucks, and I'm trying to figure out how to process all this and make some sort of difference" Batman. Given that moment from the "Riddler crashes the funeral" scene where the pol (or whoever) talks to Bruce about why he hasn't continued his family's legacy of philanthropy (while he ignores her and looks broodily at the kid), the movie appears to be setting up a space for Bruce to grow into. If we do actually get to see him develop the Bruce persona, I think that'll add so much realism and depth to the character over the course of the series. If he stayed 1-dimensionally broody, that would be a shame and a waste of an opportunity. Anyway, glad to hear that Matt Reeves is already thinking this way.
@@johnplaysgames3120 all that sounds great!! Can’t wait to see and review it. I did a pregame video and reviewed all the classics Batman movies on my channel if you would like to check those out? I appreciate your great thoughts.
Bruce definitely thinks Bruce Wayne is only a costume he wears during year 2, sure. He will build a public persona. However, I do hope Reeves doesn't reduce Bruce to being "only Batman": in comics, while he is dedicated, he also is a man with emotions and hopes outside of the mission. He forms a whole, though it took him some time to reach a fragile equilibrum.
This movie felt like a Batman that didn’t know who he really was yet. Makes sense because he’s only two years in. He’s not perfect, he takes punches. I dug it.
@@MeowXMeowXBI7CH I think there was some influence from that. I had also just watched the DC animated movie Batman Hush, and this was a lot of that. Also Long Halloween and No Man’s Land vibes.
Really because it seemed terrible the stiches on the mask were visible. He was scared of heights. And literally batman is supposed to be slick and sneaky this guy walked thru the front door. This movie was an embarrassment honestly
I love the fact that we didn't see "Bruce Wayne" yet, because Bruce Wayne still hasn't surfaced from the traumatized kid's vengeful persona... The awesome scene at the end of the movie where he helps people, tells you that he finally realizes that to make a bigger difference he needs to become THE Bruce Wayne. Because he realized, while that kid was holding onto his arm at the end, getting ready to be picked up by the chopper, that he can do even more than just fight people in the dark, and to help common folk through his wayne legacy. BAsically, up until now he was beating up people just to satisfy his lust for vengance. At the end of the movie he finally "grew up". LOVE THAT ! As a matter of fact, the first time he helped a common citizen , while giving them literally a HAND in the stadium ( The mayor and that kid ), and leading them out of the flooded field ( symbolically an exodus = leading people out of darkness which he dwells in, and leading them into light > literally a sunrise, the world in which Bruce Wayne "dwells".). And everyone following him in the dark, hints at the transformation that he needs to become more of a "people's man" and more involved with the people of the city, who are as well, going through rough patches ( he finally realizes that - encounter with Selina helped him a lot too > why her character works even more) . Meaning that the 2nd movie will focus on him becoming Bruce Wayne, in the capacity that his father was, to rebuild the gotham, and show people hope.
Out of all the amazing moments in the movie, this was the one I remembered most. Just the look of horror on his face when one of the followers said "I ma Vengence". At that moment, Batman knew that his methods likely inspired the Riddler to do what he did, and that he has to find another way to help Gotham. And that look he had upwards to the helicopter flying away during daytime was a complete contrast to the one he had looking up to the bat signal at nighttime at the start of the movie, showing that he is finally coming out from the darkness.
Exactly. You can tell that inside he's still that traumatized little boy, who watched he's get shot in flood blood. Bruce Wayne is meant to be a deeply damaged individual. He hasn't found a way to balance his personas. But he will
Going by ture Batman timeline At 14 he was already trained as a detective as he had help from qualified detective At 17 he left Gotham travel the world to continue is martial arts training, his detective skills Living with gangsters and slums all over the world He then return to Gotham from the age of 24 or 25 depends on what read So if true timeline Batman wouldn't be moody he would know how to blend in with his character as Bruce Wayne and his alter ego as Batman
@@knightveg Bruce is always moody. Bruce Wayne has always been a deeply damaged individual, he just learns how to mask his pain through his different personas. This version of Bruce has all those skills, but realistically all the things you mentioned can't fall into place so quickly. This Bruce is still angry and afraid, that's why he's putting everything he has into being "vengeance". He knows how to be a detective and beat up criminals , but that doesn't mean he knows how to be a hero ... Yet.
Here’s a quote from Robert Pattinson about Bruce & Batman’s relationship "He really hasn’t figured out where Bruce ends and where Batman begins at this point in our telling of the story." That is basically the entire point of the movie and this interpretation. I get Jeremy personally didn’t like this retelling, but it’s in no way a oversight or flaw on Pattinson or Reeves
@@GauravYadav-bf7qj ya'll seem to think 2 years is two months... he in rooms full of cops and detectives, and they've had two years to go... 'hmm maybe it's the bilinaire emo loner who had his parents killed infront of him'... like 2 years and no detectives figured that out lol
@@WuMyth bruh that's stupid from you, do you realise that in real world anyone would be able to tell that bruce Wayne is batman? It's a movie, tons of things doesn't make any sense, it's same for every movie
@@GauravYadav-bf7qj yes but it means the critisicm of him not having a bruce wayne persona is still valid... saying 'well it's only year 2'... he has persona for cover, two years with no cover?
Respectfully, I couldn't disagree more with your take on Robert Pattinson's portrayal of Batman. I think the WHOLE point the movie is going for is to show a young, flawed, not fully formed Batman! It's year 2. He's still figuring it out. The blurred line between Bruce and the Bat is purposeful! The Bruce in this movie doesn't know what the Batman stands for yet, he's literally just out for "vengeance", which is why at the end there's that big moment when the Riddler's follower says that exact line. Bruce spends the whole movie seeing where blind rage and anger will lead him, and in that moment that's where he makes the decision to start changing. Everyone in the movie was good, but Robert so impressed me. He was excellent. A new side of the character with a raw depth that hasn't been seen on the big screen yet. I can't wait to see where he takes the role in the sequel.
I loved this take too. To see the conflict in Bruce and him learning to switch between the too. I expect the next movie to focus more on the Bruce Wayne part.
He can smile at least rather than looking completely depressed. how does he do anything? I shared my complete thoughts on this film and although I'd say it's good and not terrible at all, it does have elements that can be pointed out as questionable for sure. Also the "white privilege" elements... Check it out I'm curious to hear from you folks. The people here are all civilized it seems :D
He has been Batman for 2 years, he is still struggling trying to “find himself”, he is still making mistakes, he is still “young”, he doesn’t know whether to continue fighting for this city and for what it stands for or to just give up and blend into society. What a fantastic entry
@@exiledknight3961 you have to suspend disbelief when watching the batman films, batfleck fought Superman and doomsday and just survived because of plot Armor, Bale's batman literally lost all cartilage in his legs and broke his spine and got stabbed and then carried a nuke and still survived allegedly so all the batmen have their flaws
I think Bruce being broody is on purpose, because its about year 2 Batman. He’s still new to this. He’s rageful, vengeful, an has zero things stopping him. As he ages, Alfred changes his image. Makes him more playboy Bruce. Philanthropist Bruce. An eventually dad Bruce. But rn it’s young Bruce. An he’s not giving a fuck if he’s perceived as a bad person. Or good. He’s doin what he wants to do. Rather needs to do. I think by Batman 3 we’ll see a more mature, reaped back Bruce like bales Batman in dark knight
That’s probably true but the issue with that is it makes the character feel a little boring. Jeremy is the 3rd critic to label Pattinsons Batman as a little one dimensional. With these long time frame plans, unfortunately you have to sacrifice genuine character interest for character development
Bales Batman didn't start off like that and I bet his training was way more intense than anything in this with the League Of Shadows. It's all about balance.
yeah i think Jeremy should really play Arkham Origins i feel THAT is the angle Matt Reeves was going for with Bruce in this film. Batman in Origins was pretty much a one dimensional rage machine. like what Alfred says in the game is "your not some hardened vigilante your a young man with a trust fund and too much anger"
@@michaelkean5969 well the Arkham games don't really feature Bruce Wayne at all apart from about 1 or 2 tiny scenes so there's not really a Bruce Wayne character at all. The Telltale games are the only ones I've seen to really feature Bruce Wayne.
@@kityhawk2000 yeah the Arkham games are an awful comparison. I think a lot of fans are going to make a lot of excuses for any issues that this film has because they want it to be amazing deep down.
Just to point out I do hope Jeremy reads this, Matt Reeves and Pattinson have said it several times in interviews for the past year or so that this Bruce Wayne does not know yet how to balance those two personas. It's a year two Batman that really just not yet defined and is just really angry. There's a scene in the movie with alfred that hammers down this point, I hope you see it in a new light once you read this and watch the movie again.
and the fact that nolan's trilogy is rushed as fuck with the definition of batman/bruce persona. It's bit unfair. The year Two perspective of Matt Reeves is much more realistic. I think jeremy wronged in that regard
@@ledani87 yeah considering that it took bruce YEARS literally YEARS to get finally distinguish bruce from the bat. and the Nolan trilogy/batman begins literally skips right over it. he's already got everything down pat and mastered. not to mention all his "training" with Ra's Al Ghul where he trains his mind is NOT accurate at all. in the comics Bruce traveled the world to train his body not his mind thats why he comes back to Gotham and why hes so pissed off in year 1 and 2 because he didn't train his mind he trained to get strong.
Totally disagree with your take on Pattinson. Thought he was fantastic in the role. He’s meant to be portraying a Batman who hasn’t figured out how much he needs the Bruce Wayne persona in order to be successful. His only focus is being Batman, all the time. Closest I’ve felt like I was reading a live action comic book ever in a Batman film, for 90% of it. Colin Farrel was fantastic, as was Zoey as Catwoman. Riddler take was refreshing and well done, although his motives were a left a little undeveloped I felt like. That was my only gripe. Some of the fan theories before hand ended up being better than what actually happened. Casting really was superb. I’d give it an 8.5 out of 10 probably. Tied with TDK for the best overall live action Batman film all time.
I give this film an 8/10 and the TDK a 9/10. Both movies went for very different things and I absolutely loved this new movies approach. You your completely right. The Riddler's motives definitely lost some of its steam in the final act
This was by far pattinsons weakest performance. Robert Pattinson is one of the very best actors today. To see him play sich a bland and boring portrayal of Batman really confused me. I dont think he was the right choice for batman.
I loved this version of Batman, It was a refreshing take. A lot of emotion was shown through his eyes. Wayne doesnt quite know how to be anything other than Batman. The Riddler was terrifying and felt like an actual serial killer. In a way Cat Woman was an inspiration to Bruce, she kinda showed him, in the future, how to separate The Batman and Bruce Wayne. This was definitely a Batman movie. Dope overall, imo.
My favorite thing about this Batman is we got to hear his thoughts like in the comics. In the comics, Batman was a man of few words but he was constantly breaking things down in his head. Kind of reminded me of Rorschach in the Watchmen.
That's because Night Owl and Rorschach are both based on Batman. Rorschach being more of a mixture of Bats and the Punisher. The Comedian was Captain America if he was a psycho and Dr Manhattan was Superman after becoming totally detached from reality.
@@jonathansyversen7988 Moore used generic versions of Superman/Batman etc for editing reasons. "DC managing editor Dick Giordano was receptive to the proposal, but opposed the idea of using the Charlton characters for the story. Moore said, "DC realized their expensive characters would end up either dead or dysfunctional." Instead, Giordano persuaded Moore to continue with new characters. Moore had initially believed that original characters would not provide emotional resonance for the readers, but later changed his mind. He said, "Eventually, I realized that if I wrote the substitute characters well enough, so that they seemed familiar in certain ways, certain aspects of them brought back a kind of generic super-hero resonance or familiarity to the reader, then it might work." The characters themselves are just stand-ins for different versions of Nihilism. From the wiki: With Watchmen, Alan Moore's intention was to create four or five "radically opposing ways" to perceive the world and to give readers of the story the privilege of determining which one was most morally comprehensible. Moore did not believe in the notion of "[cramming] regurgitated morals" down the readers' throats and instead sought to show heroes in an ambivalent light. Moore said, "What we wanted to do was show all of these people, warts and all. Show that even the worst of them had something going for them, and even the best of them had their flaws."
Meanwhile in the children's mcu. Joke after joke, fake death universe, forced girl power scenes, dancing off against villains lmao 🤦♂️ the list goes on
No doubt. To me personally I've enjoyed all the takes on Batman. They're always different, fresh, and have never bored me. I haven't gotten that experience at another superhero movie before besides Watchmen I think.
I was shocked to see those influences! Matt Reeves dug deep. Jeremy is obviously not a Batman reader. Zero year and Batman year one are to me the biggest influences on this films Bruce Wayne.
Dude, same. Long Halloween and Year One/Two we’re obvious, but Zero Year was a pleasant surprise, didn’t really hit til the third act. Super Telltale at parts though, both the villain and the heroes!
Bruh how y’all think this movie was any good? 😭 it was so ass I was falling asleep towards the end tbh, although the bat mobile scene was pretty cool lol
LOL Just no, this movie was PHENOMENAL and absolute MASTERPIECE of a Batman movie. Nothing about it was "sO @sS" AT ALL and you falling asleep is your problem because the movie was MASSIVELY engaging and compelling to be the BEST Batman movie of all time! What you're saying is MASSIVELY wrong here entirely so as this movie was BEYOND just "good", it was MASTERPIECE of a film!
@@chonchjohnch the funny thing about the boots is it sounded like sherif boots from the old western movies. It really reminded me that Batman is like the badass cop in the town that everyone is afraid of.
Honestly I feel it's realistic that Bruce struggles to keep the two separate. It's only been 2 years and that still isn't a long time when you're fighting crime every night. He's young and he still doesn't know how to lock that Bat side down.
That’s what I was thinking too like didn’t the Nolan movies also deal with “where does Batman end and Bruce Wayne start?” As well? I like that dynamic cause he’s essentially going off the deep end and he doesn’t know how to control his emotions. Haven’t seen the film yet so maybe I’ll come back to this and think differently but who knows
I could imagine a few years into it, a person would be at a stage where they get almost overconfident which would just fuel the rage and wanting to just do more, until it evens out and events put focus into how important it is to hide his identity and not become like the criminals themselves. Tbh, I love that "stage" in Batman stories as it usually has a lot of psychological depth. Though I do understand what Jeremy means with different identities of Batman in the later stages of his "career".. that brings around a different depth to the character. I hope I'll dig the film. Very much looking forward to it.
I think this Bruce Wayne genuinely doesn't care about putting up appearances and is completely consumed by his vigilante side and throughout the trilogy he will learn how to get the right balance whilst trusting others to help him in his crusade, it's definitely by design
This movie was AMAZING!!! I LOVE this ‘year two’ Batman!! He’s young, he’s learning, he’s getting his feet wet with different things. Can’t WAIT to see how his Batman progresses and develops!!
I like how this Batman's more unhinged, rough around the edges and fully engulfed by his Batman persona while Nolan's Batman is more streamlined and psychologically mature/organised to make a distinction between his personas. It probably has a lot to do with his training as a Ninja in the Nolan movies - a well-trained covert mercenary. It feels like Nolan's movies are about Bruce Wayne while this movie is about Batman. It's great that they're exploring new territory.
I know in this film Wayne is a recluse but even if your a millionaire you still would have two girls on your arms in public for the show like Bales did . Patterson dont seem to smile and like the review said even with the cowl he looks the same . Batman is too clean face here .
Unhinged? Lol OK. He gives mid 00s emo. Maybe out definitions are a little different of unhinged. I think whiny weepy B. Then again batman w his parents death became a meme at this point like we get it bruhh ur a 35yo who refuses therapy so u still crying over ur parents MARTHA.. so maybe that's what Pattison was going for in the character Hahaha idk it looks like ish. First time I saw a full trailer I was like oh I know the plot already because only so much batman lore out there and I hard effing pass. I bet it's a loose take/idea of the telltale game where Thomas Wayne caused half the cities problems. Only place canon where he's that much a sack of ush and everyone blames the Wayne's for the cities problems. Soon I heard that I said PASS.
@@GH-hl8gu Bruh I've seen the movie and you couldn't be even more wrong lmao. Spoiler alert: Riddler isn't even the real villain of Gotham in the movie and Thomas Wayne is a good guy bruh ur so wrong on a stack u must feel so dumb rn
Just finished my early screening and I loved the film! But to address your criticism about him not being mythical. I have to strongly disagree. There were parts of the movie where I felt like Batman kinda came across as something a little otherwordly. I loved the way he moved, a bit like a movie monster. But there were other stuff that definitely feed into him being memorable in the better kind of mythical way.
When you look at the ending scenes with Batman during the dawn, and that scene with the torch, oh he is definitely well on his way to become the mythical figure of Gotham but not in the way that we traditionally think about Batman. In the movie he is like both the bogeyman for the criminal underworld and a beacon of hope for the city. It's definitely a different take than Nolan's which does feel more like a billionaire taking an extreme hobby, here it feels like he's stuck with the city he's trying to save like a troubled marriage which coincidentally mirrors his father's own struggle in protecting his mother. Good stuff.
I think his issue is that he is seen as a boogeyman by the crime and the civilians. That’s the journey he had to go on. Riddler is tearing down the villains who pose as hope. Bruce has to learn that he can’t come across that way anymore.
@@MedskiPurnamski very well put, i totally agree and find it a shame that some people don‘t get/like what they were going for with the character in this movie
@@evandalton8074 exactly. Batman is realizing that it's not enough for him to just be a symbol of defiance anymore, he also need to be the symbol of hope. In context The Riddler was also a vigilante, not a full blown criminal and the difference between him and Bruce is so thin and Bruce is only saved by his unwillingness to take a life.
I loved the way the movie had characters like falcon and the riddler as the villain. Made it feel so real and not the superficial super hero type we’re used to
For him to act as a charismatic and womanizer, at a funeral, while the city is ravaged by a serial killer would have been out of with the tone of the film and within the story. This batman is not interested in impersonating Bruce Wayne and that's perfect.
I don't know Jeremy, for me Pattinson was absolutely fantastic, the way his eyes were telling us all his emotions and struggles with the mask on 90% of the time was fantastic, they showed us a flawed and not defined Batman and that's what I love about this movie, hope they keep developing this story
yea its the problem with the internet, before the movie came out you could have sworn people had already seen it and hated his performance but the movie wasn't out yet. So people keep on thinking "it's pattinson in the cowl.." probably talking shit to your mates instead of actually watching the movie and appreciating that he is actually one of the better batmen we have had. He is already up there with Keaton (yes I'm one of those that after the Nolan series was done I realised how much I hated Bale's Batman) only issue I had was not so much the broody or "1 dimensionalness" as honestly that made sense, he has gone through a LOT of shit that only some of it we may know from being comic or batman fans and he is in the stage where he couldn't care less about what the Wayne name stood for and thinks that Bruce Wayne is useless and if he could he would never take off the mask. No I just felt the way he looked with the hair and how "lanky" he was I felt he would have been a better fit out of the suit as a Dick Grayson or Damian Wayne. Then towards the end of the film there are hints that maybe he is starting to think it can't all be done by Batman, there are things that gotham needs that a guy in a batsuit that goes around dishing out concussions can't provide.(trying my best not to spoil anything for ppl that haven't seen it)
I fell asleep in the theater...idk man maybe ill have to rewatch it. It was good for about an hour, then i woke up and the riddler was in jail? Saying i thought you'd be smarter than this or something.
The shot where the Batmobile goes through the fire was real. Matt Reeves commented on that during one of his interview's. So, I suspect that a lot of the chase could be real. So frickin excited to go see this movie!
There's a nice detail in that scene that I think not many people have noticed, when the car jumps through the fire you can see something like bat ears on top of the car for a split second, check it out
If he's struggling to turn it off, then that's just a sign that this Batman is a guy who's still trying to kick his demons. I can agree with that and can't wait to see this movie.
Brutal honesty? Brooding all the time is not an exploration of trauma. Yes Batman broods but he also shows vulnerability. Punisher and You Were Never Really Here show the brutal enforcer tough guy thing while also delving into the psyche. The trailers look like it is less the character study Matt Reeves claims and more my chemical batman emo goth shit. People in the comments keep saying it is better that he hasn't built an exterior yet but people with childhood trauma often hide it so I figure he should be good at it, at least he should be see to make an effort to hide secret identity. It seems like more what people joke about with the exaggerated meme Batman. If they aren't careful they could end up coming across as that emo kid who thinks being dark is cool so tries to act dark without any actual issues. Hopefully there is much more than the trailers showed.
@@connordorman117 people that hide their trauma don't tend to become a superhero like Batman. It's not like Bruce just flicked a switch and was able to put on an act. He's got the anger and motivation, the cunningness will come.
@@Braddicus84 he has already been Batman for two years. Also plenty of people that hide trauma go on to work against it. Frank Castle doesn't advertise why he became the Punisher, though he isn't afraid to talk about it with people who find out like say Daredevil. But intelligence has always been a defining part of Batmans character and the fact he does something so dumb in a Batman detective story is a problem. We shouldn't hope another movie will fix this ones flaws. The character arc should've been in this movie. His unchanging demeanor means he can be overshadowed by other characters. Catwoman in particular. It isn't movie ruining but it hinders it.
I personally want to see brooding Bruce Wayne. The idea that someone could be as traumatized as Bruce Wayne is that they then spend their evenings beating on bad dudes...yeah man, gonna be hard to fake a smile in a dark place like that.
@Rajat Tyagi that was after he made Gordon blame him for all the deaths tho it’s a different situation in this one Matt reeves is going for a Bruce Wayne who was always treated a certain way by the public because of his rich heritage and losing his parents that it made Bruce not like being out in public at all and being recognized that’s why he acts that way over all he’s just a brooding Bruce.
That's why I've always liked Dick and Terry there's just something about having the old grizzled Batman tell the new kid that life is tough that's so great.
I personally loved this brooding take on Bruce Wayne. This version of Bruce doesn't give a shit about keeping up appearances, he doesn't pretend to be a natural public figure when he's not. He's a traumatized human still grappling with a lot of character flaws, and I absolutely dig that
Exactly! And it was actually shown in his conversation with Alfred that he doesn't even care about being Bruce Wayne anymore. He hasn't created that Bruce Wayne persona yet as he is only focused on becoming batman. Perhaps we will see his Bruce Wayne persona developed in the second movie.
Exactly- I guarantee in the next movies Bruce Wayne will become more distinct. So many reviewers are missing the point. I know Jeremy says "oh he's been Batman for 2 years but that should be enough to become the real Batman"... that's still nothing when it comes to developing the tech and skillset batman possesses. Really disagree with Jeremy on his opinion of Batman, but that's okay! At least we agree the movie was great overall
@@basedboi3956 I don't agree on the rating. Good time no alcohol required but Spiderman no way home gets Buy on Blue Ray? Sorry but this movie was way better than no way home especially from a character growth and story standpoint.
Dark Knight: 10/10 Batman Begins: 9/10 Dark knight rises: 8/10 The Batman 2022: 5/10 ( It had great cinematography, fighting was realistic and brutal, Batman was great and the positives end there) Horrible Bruce Wayne, 3 hours was way too long they should have cut at least 30 min. Slow zoom in dramatic shots that add nothing to the plot only add time, more zoom in faces for dramatic effect, all white people are evil, black people only are good (Gordon, Cat woman, new black woman mayor,) uninteresting main villain, predictable plot, no satisfying ending, inexperienced Batman for 2 years of fighting when he already has catched the joker, why most civilians and gang members don't recognize Batman or disrespect him by not fearing him when he fights already 2 years in Gotham? Terrible pacing, editing, unoriginal music score, compare this to Zimmer 😂😂. Realistic movie doesn't always translate to masterpiece. Dark knight trilogy knew to balance realism with action and plot and pacing.
I just saw the movie. 100 percent disagree with your statement that Robert Patterson doesn't feel like batman. He not only felt like batman. But he also captured the presence of batman perfectly. He even says in the beginning that he makes criminals so afraid that they'll avoid going down dark alleyways. And you literally see and feel that in the movie.
Especially when you hear Matt Reeves and Pattinson's interviews, you could tell that this version of Batman was what they intended. Reeves is going to continue this project for the next decade so I fully anticipate Pattinson's Bruce Wayne to continue developing throughout the series.
I'm pretty sure he said Robert Pattinson doesn't portray bruce wayne properly. He's absolutely right when he said that there's 3 personas in his body. Batman is one of them, Bruce Wayne with Alfred is another and then there's Bruce Wayne in the public image. What Jeremy said was that he's batman all the time, even when he's just Bruce Wayne.
@@rogerchandelier6673 they drive the point that he hasn't been batman for long. As the years progress I'm sure he'll start to develop the public bruce image. Perhaps in the sequel.
Bro he don’t feel like Batman. He got bamboozled the entire movie. Riddler plan went completely through. Also he only knew about the shooters at end because the riddler basically said everything but telling him outright. I couldn’t get over it he felt weak the entire movie and at some point I felt like I was t even watching a Batman movie anymore
The fact that there's little to no separation between the personalities of Bruce and Batman in this movie was an intentional choice, the director wanted this to show how he's struggling to separate and balance the two and not get too lost in the mission
Yeah but it kind of made bruce wayne uninteresting to me. And thats always been a big part of batman. Without people would of put two and two together that bruce wayne is batman
I LOVED the fact that there wasn't that big of a difference between Bruce and Batman in this movie. By far the most believable Bruce that has ever been put to film. It really made me realize that you can't be a vigilante dressed as a Bat while also running around pretending to be a happy rich kid. It's just not real in any sense, but this Batman was. As for Batman not feeling "mythical", the exact same point applies. It's a "real" Batman and one that is still learning. It's a Batman that you can actually believe would exist, which you can't say for any other Batman put to film.
This right here, I don’t know how you expect an orphan raised by a butler to be able to have a charm and charisma. Especially this young looking. When his life is as bleak as Gotham. This interpretation of Batman is by far my favorite. The dread he gives when he’s menacingly walking toward the camera and all you hear is his boots marching in the rain. Out the shadows is the thing they imagine in the darkness The Batman.
I have to degree. I feel like if your gonna be this vigilante this extreme u almost have to have a split personality u have to have a completely different persona become a totally different person by night. we know this from lots of stories in rl where ppl leave 2nd lives or secret lives even in such basic things like when ppl have a second family and everyone always says "they were like a different person" or killers who act so "normal" and charming at times but then almost go into this mode for their crimes. I don't think u could just be normal, u'd have to compartmentalise your life
@@vkdeen7570 It's true that he needs to split his personas. But this is Year Two. He hasn't figured out how to effectively do that. He's still obsessed with being Batman. All the suggestions you made are something Bruce must figure out over the course of his "career" as Batman.
I loved the broody Bruce. He seemed like his real persona, Batman, neglected his former life. Like hes ripped, but malnourished and scarred. He cant separate who he really is and his real life has suffered for it. He cant go out in the day because his eyes are completely adjusted to the night, he hasn't cut his hair in what seems like months or years, and he's done nothing publicly with Wayne tech. Its genius and totally realistic like the rest of the movie.
I'll most certainly wait for the film to come out, but it isn't unheard of that Batman being in his 2nd year is him still being fairly new to the whole thing. Long Halloween is Batman in his 2nd year and people underestimate the length of his actual career. Take into account that it took the end of his second year for his more fantastical and notable rogues to even appear. Pattinson had also made it clear that Bruce Wayne is having difficulty balancing both personas. "What made it easy is that he really hasn’t figured out where Bruce ends and where Batman begins at this point in our telling of the story. And so sometimes (its) Bruce seeping out of Batman. And there are a couple of scenes where I’m doing a kind of little, subtle vocal changes. It’s incredibly subtle a lot of times. But sometimes he’s more in Bruce’ when he’s Batman. Because he hasn’t got full control over the delineation yet." He's also at a breaking point where he doesn't even know if he's making a difference in Gotham. I truly believe he'll get there and the distinction of those 3 personas will become more apparent, but it's going to be an evolution throughout the series. Just like the Planet of the Apes trilogy. He'll get there where he'll utilize Bruce Wayne's wealth to help the people of Gotham. It's all wait and see for me. As for the Batsuit being low-tech...that's intentional and has been stated by Reeves. I mean, you can quite literally buy the holsters he carries.
yea im expecting a scene where he buys the materials to build everything that's what makes it all feel real and exciting. he is a young rich dude who goes to the store to build a suit lol I'm in lol
I just finished watching the movie at theatres. I loved it for what it was. Should I go crazy over it? No. Does it bring people together like Spiderman and Endgame did? No. The truth is, if you're not a batman fan, or you're not a comic book reader, or you're not a fan of long winded action scenes, or a non stop 'its not over yet' twists and cliffhangers, or simply a badass movie centred around a badass character, you'll be itching to leave your seat and get out of the hall before the final fight begins. I was that guy. But the aesthetic, Robert Pattinson and especially the music, held me throughout. The movie was 3 hours, and very slow at that, yet the final message was amazing. I will say it was worth it. It's my first time going to theatre alone and it amazes me how, by just paying a few bucks, I get to enjoy a 2 year hardwork. Now I understand why people were crazy about Avatar. It's one thing to watch online or Netflix. Theatres are totally different experience. I will say this, if you want to watch this movie, go to the theatres. Because the money you pay will force you to pay attention to the film, unlike in RU-vid or Netflix where you could just skip through them and miss out on the whole plot. Some people in the hall were quite annoyed at the film honestly, and how unnecessary details took place. For example, when Batman stalked Selina at first, they didn't have to show the entire process of Bruce getting up on his bike, slowly, and following her, slowly. All they had to do was right after Selina talked to Annika, show Bruce following her behind through the rear window. Subtle scenes were all over the place in the film, but _they didn't serve their purpose_ with filler scenes before and after. And the villain's monologue was boring, they really tried to make it sound poetically so serious. Especially when he started explaining his motives. But I understand that's what the movie needed. Maybe it's just not for me, but I also don't know if the scene would have been great if it was done differently. And I'll say most of the conversations were. Like Batman and Selina's, they were too cliche. And a lot of the backstories, like Selina being Falcone's daughter really didn't mean much to me. But however, I admit that they made the film feel complete. Not too perfect, not too imperfect, not too long or short, and most importantly, not geared towards one specific niche. It geared towards everyone. Woke Liberals willl be happy with how black women got positive representation. Feminists will love the Catwoman' "I can take care of myself" motto. MRA and anti-sjw will love the film for simply not emasculating Batman, and not emphasizing on any woke sentiments. Action film lovers will love the film for the fight scenes, especially Batman chasing OZ. I, being a bit of all of them like casual people, loved the film for what it was. Overall. The movie is watchable twice. Once for the first time, second for the aesthetic, music, and small details you missed out on in the first. Don't bring anyone, unless they're a heavy action film or batman fan, with you to the film, because their disappointment willl negatively affect your experience.
@@krosskross1221 I genuinely think you wasted tons of time writing this. I've seen so many good reviews for this film it's inbeliveable. Anybody who likes good thrillers will watch this. And the b.o. for opening day of this movie looks real good.
@@krosskross1221 Also Catwoman is biracial in the comics so her being black makes sense. You using "woke liberals" for ppl who ppl who are happy with the representation is so stupid.
Since the movie takes place around year 2 I think the brooding Bruce Wayne makes sense for now, like he’s going to take time to really develop the billionaire persona. I wonder if it’ll develop if they ever make a sequel
There will be a Batman 2. A lot of sources are saying it. Makes sense if DC is building up to something great in the future. We have a Batman, flash, Aquaman, & WW movie. If I was DC, I would absolutely copy what marvel is doing. They’re killing it and have been for decades. Do a build up…. Do solo fims, then do your big movie, (Justice League). If Roberts Batman is in the same talks with the other WB characters. They can really do something special here for the next upcoming years. Just have to play the cards right.
I saw it yesterday. I disagree with the Pattinson review. Comparing him to the arc of Bale’s leaves out that Bale’s ran as a semi criminal for years in Asia and other locations likely working out stealth etc. Bale’s also has a very different level of support. Bale’s was in semi-suicidal/homicidal mode in a summary/montage during Batman Begins. Remember where bale is in a Chinese jail? That’s likely the timeframe we see this Bruce at except Battinson is already trying to do something about crime. They wrote this where his character is pretty much psychologically on his own except for tough guy Alfred. Most the tech is diy. I can go into it more why I think this fit great but I don’t want to spoil.
I haven’t seen the film yet but I’m really glad they decided to tackle this aspect of Batman. For a long time he’s always been an investigator. Solving crimes, not just being a vigilante. He was an investigator in the Batman animated series that gets praised so much. So I’m surprised it took them this long.
@Oddwolf 799 “Critics say Matt Reeves’ gritty, grounded take on the “world’s greatest detective” is one of the best we’ve seen, from Robert Pattinson’s performance down to the cinematography and the score.” Yupp sounds like a 7/10.
That's a negative not a positive imo. The more room to grow is just a cop out. Imagine Superman without flight and saying lol don't worry he'll fly in the second one more room to grow.
I think with simply how much he struggles to contain his anger even without the mask (he's trembling in rage the moment he sees the Riddler's silhouette even as Bruce Wayne) it makes sense that he's having an exceedingly hard time differentiating Batman from Bruce Wayne. He's vengeful and completely dedicated to his mission, and to him Bruce Wayne is just a name, not even a persona. Batman is all he cares about. Pattinson himself mentions this a lot in the interviews, with a really interesting comment on how Bruce is essentially replaying his parents' death over and over again nonstop in his head, and despite us not actually seeing that, we see it on Pattinson's face. Also Jeremy kinda missed his own point where he said most of the movie was at night and so Batman was mostly the one appearing? So like…very on the nose intentional?
@@Jonatan606 Yeah, lol. Jeremy isn't the only one with complaints with Pattinson's Batman/Bruce Wayne character being entirely too emo in the whole film. It kind of makes it worse when the film straight up says this Batman has been at it for two whole years already. I mean don't get me wrong, Batman will always brood no matter how old he is, but a Batman with that much time served under his belt should probably have matured already. They should've honestly just had him starting out like everyone thought so in the beginning.
Excellent review, as always. If he’s just broody for the sake of it, I would tend to agree. But knowing we’ll have sequels to establish a more classic status quo leaves me fine with a Bruce who is still struggling to come back from that alley. He died there, that night, with his parents. And every day since has been a struggle to find his humanity, in a world and a city that is designed to take it away. Right now, there’s only the Bat. It’s not what he, nor Gotham deserves, but it’s what they need right now. Something incorruptible.
Very beautifully put. I think not being able to tell Bruce apart from Batman Is way better. Because if someone were to ever be Batman In real like they’re not gonna be dark and violent with the suit and just immediately act like the playboy millionaire. No they’re still gonna be dark and moody especially being so young. I think seeing a second or third movie and watching Bruce learn how to act as Bruce would be way more entertaining and relatable to watch
I personally thought everyone in the movie killed it especially Pattinson and Zoe Kravitz. This is my new favorite on screen Batman it felt so dark gritty and intense as a lifelong Batman fan I felt fulfilled and can’t wait to see more.
@@harrisashraf9372 read the year one comic and many of the past comics its a comic vigilante movie portrayed from Batman Lore A movie that was over rated was The Joker
I'll be honest the least interesting parts of any Batman story for me is when he has to play Bruce Wayne playboy billionaire. So hearing that this movie is mostly Batman even when he isn't in the cowl is a huge plus in my book. Because that is who he is, Batman Beyond said it best "the voice kept calling me Bruce, in my mind that's not what I call myself."
Bro what does this guy mean when he says He didn't feel like Batman, didn't feel mythical? That's bothering me. Cause if he is anywhere near like the Bats in Arkham Origins he's perfect to me.
@@GrantH2606 Batman in Arkham Origins was the same when he was with alfred too, but he wasn't any less "mythical" and he totally felt like Batman. He's just too angry 100% into "vengeance mode", that's not a bad thing.
it makes sense when you see the movie though with where bruce is at in life. He will grow into it more later. Characters develop and this movie takes the time to do that. we will see more
@@The__Deadman this movie portrays a budgeoning Batman. Let s get this straight - Bruce Wayne died with his parents. Batman was borned that day. He has yet to mature and form himself into THE Batman. Jeremy is right, there is no distinction between 'Bruce's' public scenes and Batman's because that facade doesn't exist yet. We'll see in a sequel, I'd love a scene similar to BTAS when Batman jusy shifts his voice in Bruce's to use that persona to get where he wants.
This is my favorite Batman movie since The Dark Knight. I love the established world we already got, everyone truly felt lived in and the lack of origin story was totally fine. This is the first time we don’t get a polished, womanizing billionaire Bruce Wayne and I LOVED that. It shows what happens when Wayne doesn’t get over or even find out how his parents died and is bitter and resentful and slightly unhinged. Pattinson’s Batman was pretty brutal in his fighting style and a brute-like force. I really loved this movie.
@@dogoo5867 ehhhh he had a thing for his childhood crush. But it was complicated (he's batman). Then was she Raz's daughter? Can't remember. N I guess he wanted to bang Catwoman. But so did I lol. That comment jst sounded like something a fake woke "ally' would say. This movie looks pretty good tho, and I was worried at first.
@@tom2gunzbombadil689 no he means the parts where he shows himself walking with multiple groupie like looking women for the sake of *looking* like a dipshit womanizer who only thinks with his dick. Further proved by the Russian ballet ploy, falling in the fountain with those two girls, bringing THREE women on one date to Harvey’s event in the second one. You just didn’t pay attention if you missed that element of his disguise or you just didn’t see anything weird with it because your dude brain is like “yeah he’s a rich dude, of COURSE he has ultimate women.”
I agreed with him until he talked about Pattinson being “broody.” The point of him brooding so much is because he is early in his career so there is no fake Bruce Wayne persona that he puts on… yet. The reason for him brooding so much is because Batman hasn’t seen a reason to keep up the Bruce Wayne charade, therefore he is more than willing to forsake it for his crusade in a very Frank Miller’s Year One kind of way. It’s pretty obvious and is mentioned in a lot of interviews and is even present in some of the graphic novels, so I’m not sure how Jeremy missed that.
Yes! Thank you! The ending to me hinted at Batman realizing how important Bruce Wayne is. He realizes he has to be more than just The Batman. Early in the movie he talks about how he doesn’t care about the company, keeping up appearances, basically… he doesn’t care to be Bruce Wayne, that’s not what’s helping people. He thinks the “I’m vengeance” is what’s gonna help Gotham, but as he sees at the end with the one guys line quoting him, he realizes that won’t save Gotham, it will only delay the inevitable. In order to save Gotham, he has to become more than vengeance, he has to be Bruce Wayne and he has to right his fathers wrongs AS Bruce Wayne.
Jeremy didn't miss anything. Just because it was the point and what the director wanted and envisioned doesn't mean it was the best thing for the story. George Lucas intentionally put Jar Jar Binks in the Phantom Menace. Does that mean that was the best thing for the story or does that make it good? That it was intentional? Jeremy is just saying that he doesn't like that kinda of Bruce and that's fine. Neither do I for that matter, I like the character triad he speaks of in the video. That doesn't make me, nor him, nor you right. The movie tells us a story, and we like or dislike.
Exactly! It was stated multiple times how he's only been Batman for 2 years. Yet some people assume that he SHOULD'VE been at his peak already, like huh? Did we see the same movie or nah? He hasn't even developed most of his tech yet. Heck, he even STALLED the freakin batmobile coz it's his first time driving it! It's funny how both Batman fanboys and Batman haters won't shut up about it not being the "best" Batman movie LMAO
Saw it last night, it was amazing. I personally loved Pattinsons potrayel of Batman and even Bruce. If they made him do the typical Bruce Wayne we’re used to seeing than it honestly wouldn’t have worked. It wouldn’t have made sense with the type of Gotham we’re given. I might be jumping to conclusions with it but it was, with our a doubt, the greatest Batman movie AND superhero movie I have ever seen. It felt like I was watching a Batman comic on screen and there wasn’t a single moment where I was bored or uninterested. The 3 hour runtime was perfect for it and helped it flesh everything out. I loved it and am so excited for the rest of the trilogy. Sorry Jeremy, but The Batman was AWESOMETACULAR!
Loved the movie and everyone and everything in it but imo The Dark Knight still holds all of the ‘best’ categories. I hope Battinson’s character gets to a point where he fights like Batfleck. The Batfleck warehouse scene is my favorite Batman brawl. Feels like he’s playing the Arkham games.
Dude you are sniffing dog but crack. No way in hell, nope, your mind is on space and it aint in this universe. Patterson portrayal was not good, it did not attract me , it did not convince me , and it look like a guy trying to be batman more then the opposite. What is typical bruce wayne? And how would it not have workd? The tone of the movie and patersons portrayal did not blend. P.p's could have maybe worked in a different way ,iim open ti suggestions but what we got... N.O. greatest batman & superhero movie ever seen? Now i know your living under a cantaloupe. No bro, just no. This movie is not eating in the same room as the nolan trilogy, it lucky its even outside by association of name.
@@freshpoloofla3450 the tone of the movie was a dark focus on how shitty gotham is and how Batman is struggling to figure being Batman out, Pattinson portrayed that aspect pretty perfectly and his performance definitely matched the movies tone regardless of if you thought that tone was good or not
@@lukesimonson2803 so you watched this movie and to yourself thought "wow the way paterson is making it so believable that his batman is still figuring out how to be batman" (whatever the fuck that means) doubt it bro. My thoughts where like "he seems off, uncenter'd,tryhard-trying to be like the batman, not convincing,not attractive, not interesting enough". The tone of the film and pats style of bat did not blend well.
Not having seen the movie yet, I see what they're going for with this portrayal of Bruce, though time will tell if it pays off. Unlike in Nolan's trilogy, where he had pretty much figured out balancing his three personas from the moment he returned to Gotham, this is a version of Bruce who hasn't. His life is dedicated to his mission as Batman, he's still grappling with the rage he feels towards the injustice all around him. Outside of punishing criminals, nothing else matters to him. One of the clips even has the mayoral candidate talking about how unlike Thomas and Martha, Bruce isn't using any of his wealth to support Gotham's vulnerable people. This is very much him at a point where not only is Bruce Wayne just a mask, but it's a mask he has next to no interest in wearing. Likewise, Batman isn't Gotham's saviour, but a means for Bruce to give an outlet to his fury on those he feels deserves it. Again, I have not seen this yet, and time will tell if we even get more movies in this world. But it feels to me like a part of the journey they're intending to go down, is Bruce learning to move past that darkness he feels inside of him, and learning that there's so much more he could be doing to not just punish criminals, but truly save Gotham from itself. Most importantly, that he can do it not only as Batman, but as Bruce Wayne as well.
@@damien1781 jealous much? Not everyone is a dumbed weenie . The op gave a well thought out and articulate reply. Actually made me step back and think . Obviously that is something you lack .
I was planning on writing a similar long comment, but now i don’t have to. Haha, thanks! Beautifully put. I have not seen the movie either, but I also think this is the beginning of a bigger arc that will hopefully stretch and develop over multiple movies.
It’s not for everyone I’ll say, coming from someone whose favorite movie ever is the dark night, I loved this movie. HUGE Christian bale fan and I think patenson was phenomenal in this movie.
I’m a HUGE Christian Bale fan, and Christopher Nolan fan. But I am astounded by Robert Pattinson and Matt Reeves, for me they found another level I didn’t think was possible. The best part is that hopefully it’s only begun
@@jaseys pattinson’s Batman is so sick to me, the already iconic dark shadowy entrance to each altercation is my favorite part, and the music/sound affects were insane!! The ending was the perfect setup to the next movie, super excited!
Still, nobody talking about how good Battinson acted through his eyes alone. I feel like they never or rarely did that before. There was some of it in other movies, but just moments. But in this one, whenever he's in front of people, he speaks little and to-the-point, but when he doesn't speak, he still shows emotions through his eyes. - It's really impressive, but people don't seem to realize it.
Yep, that last scene with the Riddler. It was all in body language and the eyes doing the work. He was great, and I disagree with the fact that the brooding Bruce is lazy/off. Loved the filme although I think they did try to squeeze in a little too much.
I'm really excited to watch this movie because of *one* scene in the trailer, it was when batman punches that thugs face into mush..... and there is a teenager in the gang who is literally tearing up from fear of the batman. This alone tells you that Gotham is not black and white but is grey and that batman hasn't been at this for a long time and that Gotham itself is such a filthy place that even teenagers start getting mixed up in gangs
Apparently the action isn’t as good as in the trailers and heard it be described as having John Wick action that isn’t filmed like John Wick - - which severely decreases my hype for this movie.
@First Last I don't go to movies just to see action. I see it for plot development and story. If you're going in to see an action flick then watch fast and furious.
I love how they did this Batman, they really played up the fear that he strikes and Pattinson’s eyes and body language really showed the fear he felt as Batman. It really humanized him. Also he used the shadows for an entrance, and you heard his footsteps, but once he was there, he wasn’t going anywhere til he was finished beating somebody ass. 😂 his footsteps really played up him being a menace
The biggest gripe that Jeremy has with this movie is actually my favorite part of this take on Batman. Robert Pattinson’s Batman has only been in operation for a year and a half. He doesn’t know that in order for the Batman to stay below the radar, billionaire Bruce Wayne needs to be bombastically above the radar. It’s this dichotomy that Robert Pattinson’s Bruce Wayne doesn’t realize yet, which could be a great source of character development.
I disagree. I think he's saying it was soooo similar that it was an issue. He doesn't have to be playboy over the top Bruce. But at least act a hair different. So when he becomes batman, it's impactful. And enjoyable to watch Bruce also
Stop justifying that with "it's only his year 2", the same with the Batmobile and other things. Being new doesn't negate the fact that some things just work better. I respect Reeves for going in that direction and you for enjoying that, but it's not the logical take. Frank Miller's Year One has a brooding Bruce Wayne who can act for the masses.
@@el34glo59 if that’s your interpretation, i respect your point dude, having different perspectives is what makes these discussions fun haha In my humble opinion, if someone feels so strongly convicted about stopping injustice to the point that he’s willing to dress up as a bat, put himself in perilous situations, and fight criminals, I would imagine that he would devote 100% of his mental capabilities to come up with contingencies for every potential issue. This is the first movie a new Batman trilogy. I dont know about you, but I would MUCH rather have a Batman who isn’t perfect right out of the gate, but learns and becomes better with each installment of this film series.
From some of the interviews it seems that R.Patts version is still very green.. in terms of skill and his handle on his emotions/personas, I can agree that Christian’s Batman didn’t take that long to get with the flow but realistically someone working through all that trauma wouldn’t just get the shit together in 2 years, which imo, further expounds on why his bruce is still so down in the dumps and broody… def intentional
And to point out, Bales Bruce Wayne was much older and had overcome what was holding him back before he became Batman. Pats Batman has not dealt with his issues properly and jumped in the suit before growing up. That’s the best way I can describe it after seeing the film.
Intentional does not mean good. He is not a child anymore, people who deal with childhood trauma usually learn to hide it or at least not constantly act emo. He is meant to be smart, the charming but irresponsible persona was used to try and throw people off as a billionare with a vendetta against crime existing at the same time as a crime fighter draws suspicion. Doubly so if they both act brooding and angry so he tries to act as un-Batman like as possible. Not doing so isn't inexperience, it's idiocy. The promotional material comes across that they seem to view trauma as cool and edgy, the trailers in particular gave that impression. It can come across as cringy. I actually think the Nolan trilogy tackled his ptsd reasonably. All this said, I do hope the movie is good. I will try and put my first impressions aside when I watch this movie as I really want a good detective style Batman movie.
@@connordorman117 well I never said those terms were mutually exclusive or implied that it was “good” because it was “intentional”, just offering a possible reason to write the character that way at all as I’d like to stay positive about the movie. But since we’re here let’s postulate that if he actually ‘dealt’ with any of that childhood trauma I’m not too positive he’d be running the streets dressed as a bat beating people up for lunch money in the first place but you got it chief
@@blakewilliams984 I am not saying dealt as in he has overcome it, someone who dealt with childhood trauma is someone who has encountered it. That is what I mean. I don't mean do not be positive about the movie, aspects of it look absolutely kick ass, a lot of my comments about this movie funnily enough are negative on this movie not because I do not think I will enjoy it but because a lot of people are defending it from what I view as fair criticism.
@@connordorman117 Nah that’s fair man, and I can definitely agree, hopefully that movie is just as exciting to see as I’m imagining.. minus the really angsty bits 😂
I think this is actually my favorite version of Batman. Because he's like a super traumatized, messed up guy - which we've always kinda assumed of a guy who dresses up like a bat, but not really seen before. It worked for me.
It is though. It's seen in Keaton's Bruce in how awkward and quiet he is. It's seen in Bale's Bruce in how he literally buried himself in the criminal underworld in his obsession to figure things out. They don't have to always be brooding people. In reality, trauma is often internalized. That's how Bruce is in the comics too most of the times.
@@Crow-qm7zw Intellectual people are more depressed than you think. Lets just put it simply. Bury your head in work to understand people psychologically. You wouldnt believe how depressing that can be, so he is believable of being absolutely overworked with the type of corruption the city is in. But i imagine trilogy could work out like this Batman 1 = I¨m Vengeance! Batman 2 = I'm Justice! Batman 3 = I'm Batman!
If this is an earlier on batman story I think it's more realistic that batman was written this way, this isn't the same scenario as the bale trilogy. Imagine dealing with all of that and the loneliness and hopelessness of this Gotham for 2 years only to realize it's just the start and you feel like you haven't made progress.
You got it all wrong, you don't get Batman. It's like you never read a Batman comicbook CLEARING SOME POINTS: 1) YESSSSS! the movie convinces you that YOU could've been Batman! THAT'S THE POINT & YES Batman is just a man in a mask who changes his voice! & NO IF YOU BUY GEAR & TRY TO BE BATMAN YOU WOULD GET ABSOLUTELY BEAT UP JEREMY & That's the diffence; Batman is a TRAINED vigilante & YOU'RE NOT. 👉SO THE MOVIE CONVINCES YOU THAT BATMAN COULD'VE BEEN ANYONE IN REAL LIFE , BUT NOT ANYONE CAN SUCCEED AT THAT TASK. It shows how UNEASY it is to be Batman & how PREPARED someone must be to attempt this craziness. 2)& NO, NO ONE CAN ASSUME (let alone PROVE) BRUCE IS BATMAN JUST BECAUSE HE LOOKS SAD & ANGRY, THAT'S THE MOST STUPID THING I'VE EVER HEARD. Everyone is sad in Gotham& some are more courageous than others (especially mob member who look pissed & mental the whole time), so they can doubt Bruce to be corrupt or sick mentally, but they can't prove he's Batman unless they unmask THE BATMAN. 3) BRUCE ISN'T A PLAYBOY YET, YESS! that's the whole point! A young RECLUSIVE Batman from BATMAN COMICS Bruce Wayne is like this on PURPOSE here , just like REEVES SAID 👇 It's about a year 2 imperfect comicbook Batman & He is full of anger & driven by VENGEANCE, at this point he's just a broken VIGILANTE who hasn't yet DISCOVERED HIMSELF & Who he really is, addicted to being Batman & HASN'T FORMED THAT PLAYBOY PERSONA Yet & That's how an early Batman should be, after seeing his parents' heads blown Infront of him, he would stay deep scarred/anger fueld for decades & becomes a SCARRED RECLUSE into his early Batman years & THEN evolves later. That's how it would be in real life... that's how Batman would happen in the real world ...a mere broken VIGILANTE in his beginnings who becomes The HERO later. Portrays Batman as a HUMAN BEING...like you & I A HUMANISED, REALISTIC, RECLUSIVE & RELATABLE VERSION OF BATMAN...
Jeremy, I know you’re no rookie to this but I just wanted to compliment you on how well you are able to do a non-spoiler review and it actually not spoil anything. Thank you for giving me something to keep me entertained until Thursday. You’re the best!
There were some people who had a problem with Nolen's Batman, as it was too much Bruce Wayne and not enough Batman. I personally didn't have that problem as Bayle's portrayal kept me invested in the film. I think Bruce and the Bat's should be one in the same as you can focus more on the intensity.
I loved Batman Begins from Nolan's movies the most as that movie showed the most sides of the character. Like when he even considers straight up murdering his parents killer by shooting him, as Bruce Wayne... Luckily he doesn't get to do it, then trains to suppress his vengeful urges etc. In the next few, he seems almost a little too perfect for a human who goes through all he does. Sure, there's still some "I don't care for my own safety"-recklessness and anger but... I just liked the portrayal tons in Batman Begins and a little less as the movies went on.
@@sarcasm-83 I feel u Batman Begins was my favorite out of the trilogy, hell it would be my favorite out of the franchise but I got that nostalgia for Keaton.
Batman Begins said it best. Bruce Wayne is the mask that Batman wears. This theme pops up in the Joker interrogation scene in Dark Knight and all over the comics. Batman is as crazy as a lot of the villains he fights. Batman and Bruce Wayne should not be portrayed as being similar, otherwise it downplays how clever he is at fooling people. This is why I like Keaton so much. His Bruce Wayne is out of touch and neurotic but, he becomes focused and almost terminator-like in the suit. He comes across as someone who's uncomfortable outside of the batsuit. This is why the Dark Knight keeps comparing him to Harvey Dent. They're both Two Face.
I usually agree with you Jeremy, but like a lot of other commenters I really enjoyed this take on Batman. He's only beginning and starting to carve out who he is as Batman. Thus, he has not figured out how to create the split between Batman and Bruce Wayne yet. Batman began because of grief so it makes sense that Batman and Bruce Wayne would first start this way. I wasn't expecting to like this movie as much as I did, but I really did like it. It was also so refreshing to not see a movie with some crazy CGI battle at the end. To each their own.
Considering this is essentially a year one or year two story showcasing a Bruce that is "Lost" doesn't care about his own wellbeing and quite literally calls himself "vengeance" it makes sense for his Bruce Wayne to be a brooding and sad character. It's probably only later on that the character learns to ease up and create a complete alter ego in Bruce Wayne. I'd say that was intentional. That being said. I've been begging in every one of your videos for your thoughts on The Wolf Among Us 2 Trailer my guy lol. Would love to hear them!
yeah go and play Arkham Origins that take on Batman is very much what Matt Reeves wanted to portray. that Batman couldn't give any less of a fuck about his two lives it was only batman and his crusade that mattered at first.
That's a load of bs. Bruce not having three distinct personas (yet) is not a problem, they are going for a truly damaged Bruce Wayne. Though The Dark Knight might have been technically earlier in Batman's career the film doesn't portray it as if Batman is particularily young, he's thinking of quitting in TDK and everyone treats Batman as if he's been around for awhile. The film treats it as if it's like year 5.
Yeah. And Matt Reeves said that the book Ego was a big inspiration as far as Batman’s character went. I really enjoyed seeing Robert Pattinson’s obsession with being just the Batman. The exchange of “you’re supposed to be carrying on their legacy” and “THIS is how I’m carrying their legacy” really summarized his mental state at this point. 2 years isn’t long at all.. he’s still learning.
@@DH_Artist Jerery is also just hypocritical. The dude liked Arkham Origins a lot and that's the state that Bruce is in in the film. In Origins there is no other persona it's just the same guy just when he's Batman he can use his anger to punch people.
So while I haven't seen it yet, all complaints Jeremy made (while valid) just made me think of Batman: Year One, which is the vibes I was getting from the start, and also hoping for.
Matt Reeves repeatedly said that this Bruce Wayne is brooding because this is just the beginning of the Crusade, he's still figuring out What he needs to be. Nolan's take was unrealistic in this regard, Bale's Batman was perfect right from the beginning which gave no room for development. Matt Reeves' intends to develop him into the Batman we know over the upcoming movies. Not to mention Arkham Origins Bruce Wayne was also broody and angry all the time.
Bales Batman didn’t need to develop because Nolan showed his character development during the scenes before Bruce returns to Gotham. He was the dark and brooding person when he left Gotham and joined the league of shadows. That’s where the character development took place
@@averagegoslingenthusiast2033 i should also point out how the nolan trilogy god Bruce training WRONG aswell. in the comics bruce never trained at all with the league of assassins he trained with various different schools and mentors around the world. he went to train his body and make himself stronger not to train his mind like he did with Ra's al Ghul. the Nolan trilogy got his training utterly backwards. bruce learns very little when he was training in the wisdom department that is why he's so pissed off in year 1/s/origins.
@@averagegoslingenthusiast2033 so what do u suggest that mat reeves should have done the same thing u r a troll just replying to everyone who is just clearifying what mats really mentioned about this bruce wayne he directed him in broody way r u so dumb to see that how easy it is to play billionaire play boy for them but instead they chose him to be this way so he can grow into billionaire play boy
I haven't seen the movie yet, but honestly I really dig a one dimensional Batman. If Bruce Wayne is so broody in all his scenes, as well as Batman, it really proves that Matt Reeves will show development throughout the trilogy. I CAN'T WAIT!
jeremy must've heard this a thousand times by now but this isn't the mythical batman we know. This isn't Arkham Knight batman. This isn't swaggy Christian Bale/ Affleck Batman who wear that billionaire façade in public effortlessly. He hasn't leaned in to a playboy persona yet, he's still vengeful. You'll get your "day and night" bruce/Batman by the end of the trilogy.
@@ElPresidenteMargz i dont hate man of steel but that was the worst jumping off point for superman as a character. It was very bland and muted, not many colors. cavill was a good actor by they made him give a wooden performance as superman tbh. Snyder was not the guy to bring that character to life
@@ElPresidenteMargz that's because broody,dark and nihilistic just doesn't work with Superman but for Batman hell he invented the idea of broody superheros.
Of course Jeremy already knows that. But there's never an excuse to make a character, or a major aspect of a movie boring though, no matter what the creative justification. No matter what direction you're going in, you have to make the characters interesting. If they're not, as a filmmaker you've messed up.
After watching the movie, I'm really confused by Jeremy's take on Bruce Wayne. I think they do a great job of establishing the character in the context of the movie, and Pattinson does great in his portrayal, if not a little bit over-angsty in a few lines. At least, his character arc is well done, and if we get a sequel to this one (which I really hope we do), I'd expect future portrayals to be more in line with what Jeremy wants from the character.
Yeah I'm sure the next film will show him trying to adopt the persona & become a public figure. That take is probably the only thing I didn't like about this review otherwise it's solid.
Jeremy's take on Batman is similar to many fan complaints who didn't like the movie. They didn't understand why Bruce was played that way and that he was still learning how to be Batman. It doesn't make sense for Jeremy to feel that way because how could a "fake" Bruce make Batman more interesting or relatable? He's claiming Batman was a certain way with Alfred but he wasn't really. In a way Pattinson's Batman was like Keaton's in that he didn't put a fake persona.
Jeremy unfortunatelly has changed alot his taste... he waches a film like a director and a wellpayed critic, and not like a simple man waching a good old fashion movie
Going off from the trailers and how you describe Bruce/Batman, I get a lot of Arkham origins vibes where he's been Batman for a couple years but he's still in his early stage where he's brooding even around alfred and still has that vengeance inside of him which explains why he's so violent
Didn't hear anybody have a problem with that at least. As long as this version does learn he needs to get out more to keep up appearances, then I don't mind.
I'm glad to hear they really made Gotham feel like the dump it's supposed to be. It always bothered me that in the older films, Gotham was portrayed like a Lego city full of goofy, over-stylized architecture. The Nolan movies did a good job of making it feel like a real place, but it kinda just felt too realistic, and took on the feel of the cities they were filming. I think Joker was the first movie to really nail the dirty, grungy shithole where everyone is an absolute asshole vibe from the comics.
Completely disagree with you on Pattinson.. thought he was the best version to date. the most realistic and believable. A younger flawed version. Bale was horrible, sounded like he had strep the entire time.
I completely agree with your 'three characters of Batman' perspective. However, from what I've heard (still haven't actually seen the movie, hoping to next week) the director and Pattinson made a collaborative effort to base their version of Bruce on Kurt Cobain. It's not only an interesting choice to me, but if there was a version of Bruce to have that kind of personality, then it would be extremely hard for the writers to go with the "put on a happy face" aspect of Bruce Wayne's character. That would completely go against the representation of Kurt within the character of Bruce since, from what info people can gather about Kurt, he just wasn't that kind of person. Plus, if we're talking about commentaries on the pressures of the world and people who have suffered because of it, Kurt Cobain was sadly one of those people. It's a really interesting way to change up / add a lot of extra weight to the idea of a "real world" Batman, though I do personally believe there is still room for a live action Batman story to be truly goofy at times while maintaining elements of great story telling and drama, like of course, the animated series. I'm still waiting for a Batman movie that can blend the good ideas of a real world Batman with the comic book farce. One day people, one day. I appreciate the review though, definitely good to hear all the different perspectives, and again, maybe I'll agree with the review even more once I've seen the film. We shall see
@@DargorV It still sticks to the source material. But honestly I think the decision is better either way. It's more realistic, first of all. And second of all I like the idea of not being able to distinguish a difference between batman and bruce rather than him being 3 completely different people. It's a more interesting dynamic and since hes young and only 2 years as batman it makes more sense. He still hasn't had enough experience to actually start wanting to do this for Gotham and not for himself. And he hasn't had enough experience to be able distinguish that difference between batman and bruce for himself.
@@fr7718 that’s exactly how I feel. If this does indeed turn into a trilogy maybe we’ll see him develop the playboy character when he’s Bruce. We shall see. But I am so pumped for this movie
Idk man 2 years realistically isn’t a lot, if I played a sport or chess or starting drawing or acting or playing the guitar…I still wouldn’t be close to a master/professional To me, 2 years is still his early days
Usually I really like your reviews, but in this one there seemed to be many points that just flew over your head, especially with that whole persona thing. It‘s basically the core element of the story. He doesn‘t want to be Bruce Wayne. It‘s part of a character development. Pretty shocking that this flew over your head, usually you‘re extremely on point with those aspects. Also, while saying he’s just playing one persona, you didn‘t even talk about his performance for this one persona. You could have at least talked about his acting in that specific role. Therefore the review makes it seem that you didn‘t like it, which in fact, is the complete opposite to like 99% of the other reviews. Kinda odd. (Also you didn‘t even talk about the main villain, which is odd too…) I don‘t know, to me this is by far the flattest and worst review of The Batman so far and one of the worst reviews I‘ve seen from you in a while. Not because I don‘t like your opinion, but a professional review needs a little more than talking about the setting for 5 out of 9 minutes…
I appreciate Jeremy’s honesty in this review, although I think I’m going to appreciate this interpretation of Batman a lot more than he did. This is the kind of Batman/Bruce Wayne I’ve always wanted to see in live-action
@@SGK1206 but it was too realistic to the point where it didn't feel like a batman trilogy. Bale was great as Bruce Wayne but he was terrible across the board as Batman, he had NO presence,the voice was terrible and he couldn't' fight worth a damn.
I love the Nolan trilogy, but this is the most gothic and noir Gotham we’ve ever seen in live-action and it just screams Batman to me. I also love seeing a Batman/Bruce Wayne who is still dealing with a lot of rage and pain and has to learn to grow out of that to become the savior Gotham needs.
Bruce Wayne is a persona crafted for daytime shifts, a charming and charismatic playboy that keeps up appearances, and in some stories tries to help the root issues behind crime through his philanthropy. But make no mistake: Bruce Wayne is the mask. The little boy died in Crime Alley with his parents, only Batman survived. Whether by day in the guise of Bruce or by night in the mythos of the Batman, he is always fighting the war on crime.
@@Christopher-ms5ke CAUSE HE AIN’T BRUCE YET. He’s still new to this shit. He doesn’t even go outside (besides when he’s Batman). We’ll clearly see him blossom to who Bruce Wayne is. He doesn’t know how to turn Batman off.
@@Christopher-ms5ke that’s the whole point. He’s not that mask of billionaire playboy Bruce Wayne yet. He’s vengeance, batman, depressed, a recluse, all that and trying to find what works and what doesn’t. This is wrapped up greatly at the end when he realizes that “vengeance” isn’t the going to work by its self, he needs to be more. We will get that Bruce soon enough but he was not needed for this movie and the story it was telling.
Thoroughly enjoyed. I was pleasantly surprised by Pattinson's performance. I think there is no difference between Bruce or Batman at this point. He is so consumed by rage that he isn't considering the consequences of his actions. Great film and I hope we will get another in this setting.
To be fair Reeves and Pattinson made a point of saying this is year 2, the first film of a trilogy and he doesn't have the distinction of public persona Bruce Wayne and Batman yet so if your biggest problem with the film is that he seems like brooding Batman all the time, I'd take that as a good thing because it was their intention 🙂
@@michaelkean5969 no they didn’t. I swear I see you in every comment fanboying as hard as you can to defend this movie you haven’t even seen yet dude. Nolan’s trilogy was perfect because it examined Bruce Wayne as a character far more than just “the Batman”. I don’t know what “interesting stuff” you wanted but I think the only person missing the point here is you. Now get some sleep man, stop spending so much time defending a film you haven’t even seen yet
@@averagegoslingenthusiast2033 wrong wrong and my god how are you so wrong. the reason why the cracks with the Nolan trilogy are now starting to show mate is because they missed the mark by quite a massive stretch. it explored only 50% of the entire character. don't get me wrong i loved Bale as Bruce Wayne he embodied that side of the character really well/ but he was an awful AWFUL batman across the board. the voice WRONG ,the presence WRONG, the silhouette WRONG, the combat skill WRONG SO GODAWFULLY WRONG and again batman begins literally skipped over the entire character arc of year 1/2. bruce takes forever to split the two halves of his life. to distinguish the Bat from Bruce. but the nolan trilogy didn't even bother to address this.
@@averagegoslingenthusiast2033 yeah. Nolan really went behind the mask and developed a very clear character with very clear motivations, especially in Batman Begins. Each movie you see Bruce’s arc evolve, thinking “criminals aren’t complicated,” as his mentor taught him, then in TDK coming to face a man who IS complicated, and initially beyond Bruce’s understanding. I’m not trashing the new film, but to make that criticism about the Nolan series is ..... shortsighted at best. Fanboying for an unseen movie at worst.🤷🏻♂️ Tho I’m sure the second the credits roll he’ll be back to comment that it was the best movie ever made blah blah blah.😂🤦🏻♂️
@jeremy jahns, I see your point with Broody Batman. I think him not being able to disguise how dark he is was Matt Reves' point, so if that's how you feel, then Matt and Robert nailed it.
