The Beauty in Clones 

I like "step-bros" better

*What’re you doing step-bro*

+Mr Lakiro Dammit reddit

what about gokus except UI and GT

Mr Lakiro dark pit: kills pit. Pit: what are u doing step bro

I legit never played a kof until like yesterday since the 02 rollback announcement, got to character select and just immediately went "fuuuuuck"

@@LeonMassey good luck with knowing who each character is 😂

@@LeonMassey Shen is the most fun, that's all you need to know. Quality videos by the way 👍

@@LeonMassey Explain more about this "02 rollback announcement", please. I screwed around with KoF 13 a little while ago and found it fun, but haven't been able to play against anyone because of the netcode, playerbase, and my tendency to graze from game to game rather than really sink my teeth into them. I think I have a few of the earlier KoF games, but they run on some sort of horrible NeoGeo or arcade machine emulator program that makes me press buttons to put more coins in, has awkward controls, and won't let me rebind the buttons I use. Of the fighting games I have, I'm mostly screwing around in Power Rangers: Battle for the Grid, or playing some Soul Calibur 6.

@@Thalanox So KOF02 on steam is getting rollback, so the netcode is getting way better. The emulation is actually really good it's just the networking before was DOGGY DOO DOO but that's getting fixed now. The player base will most likely still be players who are REALLY good, but because of rollback there's going to be an influx of players who are also not stellar (THAT'S ME) so if you go on the discord for games it should be ok even if you're not too deep into it already.

It still uses resources, Order-Sol's Charge meter. Getting to Level 3 Charge while trying to not get hit by your opponent would be hard unless you're standing full screen far away. Furthermore, it will drain all that resource if you just charged barely at Level 3 although Action Charging does alleviate this somewhat by giving some Charge to get to Level 2 quick unless you have more charge than just hitting Level 3. Comboing off it will net you near to 200 damage for damage scaling with the Order-Sol's hardest hitting meterless combo.

lol

Making it as long as warlock punch to wind up

Me and the 9 other carmine mains showing up with our 236A that's +72

May i introduce you to DBFZ

OH shit you're right NotLikeThis

Mokujin styling on clones so hard that he has combos that are unique to him.

3 moves*

Arcade mk ninjas. Scorpion and sub are best. Ermac is a beast. Reptile is cool. Fuck rain. Who is tremor. There was an orange one? Human Smoke is better than scorpion. NOOB SAIBOT!!! They are just pallet swaps too.

@@furyberserk Cant forget about motherfuCKIN' CHAMELEON!

Story wise ken and ryu being clones makes sense as well since both of them were trained by the same teachers so of course they would have a similar moveset.

This wasn't something I had ever thought about seriously until recently. It was always just easy to brush off and laugh at clone characters just being a developer's cheat day, but it was in Guilty Gear, where I finally realized how much I appreciate having a personality swap for a moveset. Sometimes in a fighting game, there is a character that literally reaches out to you. The playstyle, the mechanics, the menalities those former two emphasize and reward, it's like the character was made to be an exension of you within the game. Sometimes, that character is Jam Kuradoberi and you cry. There have been alot of trials and tribulations in me getting into Guilty Gear, but this step was the one that was the most painful for me. I probably could have had a much easier time getting into the game had I just played Jam from the word go, but I can't lie to myself. I don't like her ear-piercing voice, I don't like her dumb ass, I just don't like Jam as a character and therefore, didn't really feel like playing her. I eventually found sanctuary in Chipp and while you could aruge that it's taught me to pay more attention to my mix-up game, but I can't help but wish that Jam's playstyle was on another character. It made me realize the appreciation I have for Ken Masters in particular. I may have not played a whole bunch of Street Fighter, but whenever I did, I'd usually gravitate towards Ken. Not just because he has the safe accessibility of a shoto clone with a more aggressive edge, but because he's everything Ryu is but cooler in my eyes. He has the same "honorable fighter" about him with the distinction of not being a complete stick of butter. His cockiness, the flare, he's the reason why if ever a fighting game has someone with the standard shoto moveset, he's the guy I tend to learn the game with. I just never took the time to imagine a world, where I only had the choice of playing Ryu. Much like with Jam in Guilty, it might have caused me to lose out on a potential playstyle to enjoy because I just can't gel with the character.

He is very bougee I'll give you that

get down get low

GET DOWN TO BUSINESS

the cooler Sol

@@tarunjohal9215 TO DEFEAT.... THE HUNS?

*glances at Simon and Richter with holy water*

@@jonmanz181 Glances at Peach and Daisy with *NO DIFFERENCES AT ALL*

@@triforceriku9135 the difference is you can judge your opponent's taste in waifus depending on who they use

Legit such a wasted opportunity in Ultimate with both Richter and Daisy, Melee was actually really cool in applying differences in stats to clone characters, while Ultimate barely did an effort to change not even a single piece of frame data on Richter or Peach The one time they made the concept of clone characters appealing to the common eye, and they barely took advantage of it

Aren't echoes more like skins?

Thank you, i was hoping someone else would notice

Invisible dp? lol

@@pastorofmuppets9346 Sorry, invincible. I keep typing invisible as a bad habit.

Yeah, but this isn't just because of one move change. This only works because Ken's Rushdown got better than Ryu's.

@@ZenoDovahkiin One minor difference has knockon effects, people playing ryu had more incentive to play zoning and footsies, while ken's tatsu encouraged you to rushdown. That one tiny difference gets exaggerated into their entire playstyle.

Kyo had 3 clones in one game lmao

Or young link in SSBU: he has nearly the same moveset of SSB4's version of base Link.

That was one of my favorite things about Tekken Tag 2. It was loaded with unlockable clones, yet many of those clones were throwbacks to Tekken Tag 1 for various characters that had changed drastically since that game.

Yeah, like Devil Jin using Jin’s original Tekken 3 moveset when Jin switched to using mostly his mother’s fighting style.

Try Fukua from Skullgirls.

facts

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Exactly I don't know how he Doesn't have a million people subbed yet, lol

So frickin true

My samus schmoved leave my samus alone >:( Ty, I've got no intention of stopping any time soon 😅

@@LeonMassey Everyone knows that all samus mains curl up into a ball to drink the tears of their opponents after a set

Nintendo took notes from her and Panda and made Echoes

Makes sense. I like playing Anna but hate Nina.

King of Tekken? King of Art Of Fighting? Or both?

@@Ticketman99 The King of Fighters 2002 UNLIMITED MATCH

@@Ticketman99 Definitely Tekkens,because real women are not fooled by androgynous women.

Oh yeah ;)

This was something I've been thinking about though spread over several games, like looking at grapplers and seeing how they vary from game to game and what changes they make to accommodate the system changes even though they're characters with the same philosophy behind their creation.

Wouldn't that be basically all the shotos? You've also got the space animals in Smash, as well as Mario, Luigi, and Doc.

@@LeonMassey This would be really cool, kinda like a "genealogy tree" for archetipes, using grapplers as an example, we started with gief and now we have mixed grapplers like Laura and fucking monstrocities like Abigail.

I absolutely despise that shit. Yes let me take a full minute tapping my screen so I can read 5 words that amounted to "jk lol"

@@SeisoYabai Yeah it gets pretty annoying

youtube has it where you can press the period or comma keys to go forward/back a single frame, at least on firefox.

@@trickjump19 Can't do that on mobile yo.

This is a semiclone. He's the Wolf to Core A's Fox.

@@espurrseyes42 Ah, I see.

its a dunky clone

@CrissP,bacon n Cheese I pity the poor slop that decides or decided that your relationship material.

@CrissP,bacon n Cheese Lol your so bad at arguing. All he did was ask questions to hear your reasons of why u didn’t like Core A and u fucking hounded on him like he was the next Bacon and Cheese u were gonna get.

Look your alright as people but your long term video game choices are bootyhole, sorry chief, I only speak the truth B^)

@@LeonMassey god im so offended... but your content is so high quality and you have such cool sunglasses... 😔 i guess i have no choice but to stay subscribed and support you

@@MrBoingus ahhh the sunglasses always keep 'em coming back 😎

@@LeonMassey I am also a grappler main, life is suffering but i get to be the biggest character on the screen and by extension the strongest so no one can take that from me.

@@StarkMaximum Big =/= strong

Only braindead people ask for more clones

It’s strange how Dr. Mario and Toon Link aren’t considered Echoes, for example.

I had this issue biiiiiig time, unfortunately the best thing I can recommend is going to tournaments but... You know... Pandemic and all that. Next best thing might be trying to find a discord for the game you like (however some are extremely degenerate be careful out there)

@@LeonMassey Thanks for responding but i have also had an issue with that. For example i joined like the biggest Tekken 7 server in hopes to get better and to find people. Although it had tons of people on it. It didn't really seem like anyone would play it with me. Which kind of sucked as someone who's trying to get into it lol. Do you possibly know any good ones? or and guilty gear, fighterz, or most fighting games tbh you wouldn't mind telling me?

Also forgot to add this i found you very recently and you make content better than some of the bigger creators I have watched your videos are informative and well edited keep up the great work

@@lambo8686 hmm that sounds rough, tbh I've always played alone online but then found the community I liked offline. From what I know the guilty gear crowd discord is quite good, but they are VERY picky about connections. Unfortunately I can't be much help :(

You can literally make a whole ass team with only Kyo

@@MiloKuroshiro there is a kyo clone team in kof 2002 um

That's actually probably a really good topic for a video, ty

@@LeonMassey This would be a really cool video

I just can't believe bear players get to make it to tekken god prime twice with the same character it's so sad

Well watch or read some dragonball and then make a better judgement 👍

@@tarunjohal9215 the dragon ball series 800 episodes and that is way to much for me to handle. I am not trying to dis the dragon ball fighterz or the dragon ball series but I just cannot watch that much dragon ball and a new game will come out by the time I finish watching half of it. Since this whole game is based off dragon ball fighting I will not know why this guy can create expulsions everywhere or shoot stars at people (I do not know if a character did that in dragon ball.)

@@turtlehub2731 *sigh* I was only trying to make a point on how you shouldn't judge something if you have no idea what is going on, but if course it's your choice bro, I'm not trying to argue with you

@@tarunjohal9215 Sorry if you interpretive that message negatively. I was just explaining why I do not want to watch a long series just to enjoy a fighting game. My apologies.

@@turtlehub2731 it's not a problem mate, I should apologise too if I was being rude or coming off as aggressive.

"Eslaf2" "Eslaf++" depending on if you want to go by the official name or not, currently in development and is only accessible through the devs patreon :)

Feels like he's built for a different game some days ._.

Thanks to the T7 virjins for making movement useless