The Best Bullets for 30-06

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@BBQDad463 Год назад

The .30-'06 shooting 180-grain bullets has been getting the job done since before I was born---I am 71. Shot placement matters most of all, regardless of bullet weight and/or caliber.

@codywalker4588 Год назад

180 grain soft points for my 30-06 that's what I've used for years and it's never let me down

@DC9716 Год назад

I use a 165 grain Hornady SP in my .308 and 30-06. Works great in both.

@judgejimbobrowntown3214 Год назад

165 nosler partition by far the best white tail bullet

@ricktaylor3748 2 месяца назад

True.

@oscartalbot7496 11 месяцев назад

You are really making me not trust my .308 Ron get this guy outta here ... 😂😅jus playing... good stuff new guy...

@shamoy1000 Год назад

165gr pointed soft point boat tail. Best all round and at extended ranges.

@asap_wave7900 Год назад

I love federal fusion terminal ascent 175gr in my 30-06

@brucejohnson1264 Год назад

It’s not like you need to milk every last ounce of performance out of your 30-06 to kill a deer. Anything from 140-200 grains would do the job at any reasonable hunting range. Personally, I use 165 accubond because I like the terminal performance ( doesn’t over or under expand on deer).

@IHWKR Год назад

Too many commentators have this (conscious/subconscious) compulsion to try and be the pinnacle of performance or surgically dissecting everything to the Nth degree. As Ron would say, "Dead is dead," and a deer ain't gunna know the difference between a 145 and 180 grains, in the off chance it does, it probably won't for very long. We are talking deer after all, not elk, moose, bear....

@georgemcarthur488 Год назад

That's the truth. I'm a Barnes man myself. But I've dropped plenty with military surplus.

@tonywoconish6695 Год назад

🗣my .30/06 loves the 165gr bullets also. SEMPER FI 🇺🇸🤠

@CheeseBurgerXJ 11 месяцев назад

I use M2AP and wait for two or three to line up

@davidlewis3867 Год назад

Core-lokt .30-06 will take anything east of the Mississippi river and south of Maine that you need it to. Shot placement above all else. The deadliest mushroom in the woods has been getting the job done for a long time.

@robertgehringer6162 6 месяцев назад

Truer words were never spoken !!!

@slypperyfox 5 месяцев назад

I third this motion. I hunt in 100 yards or less distances (heavily wooded riverbeds in the NE part of my state) and have never had any problems with any “legal” caliber including my 160 gr 30-06. I actually hunt with a Henry levergun in .357 Magnum now that I’m older but in my younger days the 30-06 was king of the hill for deer. I still hunt occasionally with the .-06 and rarely will carry my 45-70.

@chrisb9478 Год назад

I like the Hornady 165gr SST for deer and Hornady 165gr Gmx or CX for Elk.

@johnabbott3896 9 дней назад

What loads do you use for the 165 CX bullet...?..I am gettiing ready to load '06 with this bullet...need imput on powders, and seating depth...Thank you...

@chrisb9478 9 дней назад

@@johnabbott3896 I’d look at the Hogdon reloading data online. But I’m using their data for the 165gr Hornady Gmx on there with 54.5grs of H4350. I don’t have a chronograph and usually go just above middle of the charge range, then see how it groups. You can load the Oal they recommend, but I load .045 off the lands for my gun with a mono core bullet.

@johnabbott3896 9 дней назад

@@chrisb9478 Thank you

@karenrasmussen1505 10 дней назад

30-06 150gr was on a clearance sale. Works perfectly for 100lb Island drawf deer. Wouldn't like to use anything lighter then 180s for black bear tho. 220s second or third in the rifle if there is fresh big brown bear sign. One of the great things about having a 30-06 as your one and only firearm is its versatility with both factory and handloads.

@johnnorman7708 Год назад

There are 3 bullet weights for . 30-06 that make the most sense, and 150 is not one of them. 99% of what we need done with a . 30-06 can be done efficiently with 165s or 180s between 2700 FPS and 2900 FPS. Anything else is really special application insurance for a perceived condition or circumstance. Splitting hairs is... Splitting hairs.

@RickNethery Год назад

I like 150 grain for whitetail deer. They go down quick with them.

@robertgehringer6162 6 месяцев назад

For hunting whitetails in big timber and shots UNDER 100 yards the 150 grain bullet is unbeatable

@jakeoly5109 Год назад

Unless you use a 150 Barnes TTSX

@georgemcarthur488 Год назад

The TSX and ttsx changed the game for pretty much every caliber. I agree completely. Other than a monolithic, he's pretty on point.

@johnnorman7708 Год назад

If it works reliably, any inefficiency is buried under a ton of that reliability. Reliability is achieved when you hit the threshold of enough. When you have more than enough for what you need to achieve, you will rarely see reliability falter. Trying to determine a "best" bullet may be pointless if the "worst" has more than enough capability for the job.

@jamiehurtt3530 11 месяцев назад

No way 210 grain accibond long ramge bullets are the holy grail of long ramge hunting with the 30-06 They're legitimate 600-700 yd bullets 1748 ft lbs energy at 600 yds d And over 1500 ft lbs at 700 yds 1in 10 twist rate amd are stable

@RagingOatmeal Год назад

Love Norma Oryx 180gr bullets. 2700fps give or take with a chrono. 5 shot groups at .68" on 100yds. Stock rem 700.

@Scott-gt6od Год назад

My Dad was a Sniper in Vietnam killed out to 1200 yards with his model 70 30-06

@megastick9324 Год назад

Lots of snipers from that war , seems like everyone and their brother. Never any cooks or mechanics….

@Scott-gt6od Год назад

@@megastick9324 do u need pics

@megastick9324 Год назад

@@Scott-gt6od nope

@j.r.6271 Год назад

.30-06 was built around the 150 grain spitzer. It's what made it replace the .30-03!

@johnnorman7708 Год назад

It is true that the 150 grain FMJ spitzer was the original bullet for . 30-06. That was cutting edge for military use in 1906. Its also true that military ball ammo was and is slower than commercial ammo has been for decades. 150s at what we now consider reduced . 30-06 soft point loads, @ around 2700 FPS that are approximating early military ball and WWII era M2 ball velocity are pretty decent deer loads. There is plenty of deer getting capability in . 300 Savage and . 308 Winchester, so if deer is all you are chasing, a reduced speed, reduced recoil .30-06 with 150s works well on several points. Reduced carcass damage with lower velocity and hyper expansion is one benefit of not using the fastest load you can cram in your rifle.

@j.r.6271 Год назад

@@johnnorman7708 You aren't wrong, but it is only 'reduced' compared to modern loads. All the hunters in africa using it alongside .303 British and whatnot all through the early 1900s were still able to take african game up to and including rhinos and elephants with it and similar at the slower velocity threshold and with the crappier bullet selection of the time. The jump to modern loads is less pronounced than most think for the game you could take with either or.

@johnnorman7708 Год назад

@@j.r.6271 Oh it was very good way back when at those early lower speeds and simple cup and core bullets or solids as called for. Compared to its contemporaries it was the one to beat. Way I see it for ballpark comparisons, is 150s @2700 FPS are about military spec.. 150s at 2900 are commercial spec. hunting ammo. That 200 FPS spread is rarely a full 200 FPS as typically loaded. Bullets of 150 grains at 2700 FPS in any caliber from 6.5/.264 up to 8/.323 are a serious load for the game fields or battlefields. Considering the original thought regarding 150s and . 30-06 as a hunting load, I do not consider the 150 grain to be your best base line "universal" choice. 165s or 168s just strike a better weight and velocity balance for a starting weight as a do it all in the . 30-06. Funny how stuff evolves and "conventional" wisdom readjusts itself. John Barsness wrote about his experiences with . 30-06 and bullet weight choices over the years. He pretty much nailed it. He too found 165s a much more practical starting point than 150s, if for no reason other than wind drift alone at longer ranges across the Montana prairie.

@phillipdouglas6454 Год назад

Think the ww2 ball ammo was 168 fmj. I’ve got a 5 gallon bucket of them in my shop. Killed many deer with them.

@johnnorman7708 Год назад

@@phillipdouglas6454 Actually there were 2 bullet weights and ammo types common for WWII. M2 ball with lead core was the standard at 150 grains. The M2 AP (armor piercing, "black tip") had a penetrator core and was reported as 163-168 grains. Before the war, and guaranteed to have been issued early in the conflict due to existing stocks, there was .30 M1 ball ammo at 173 grains. The M1 was a boat tail spitzer that really improved results at extreme long range for machine guns and rifles as well. For whatever reason, it was replaced when the M1 Garand was adopted. Probably not super compatible with the Garand's gas operating system. The .30 cal Browning MGs and the 1903 and 1917 rifles had no issues other than notably more recoil than 150 grain bullets in the rifles. ,

@UncensoredMind69 Год назад

I haven't sighted my 30.06 150 grain in a few years and it's does fine out to 200 where I live (I even give it a slight coat of hoppes 9 and it's fine. No build up really)

@erichufstetler8036 12 дней назад

The only conclusion I can come to on the derision the '06 is receiving ,is the fact that ot doesn't have Creedmore, or Blackout after its name. How many progeny does the '06 have ? Almost or right at a dozen . The 30-06, is literally the "Swiss Army Knife " of munitions. For almost 120 years this round has put in some serious work. I personally like a 180 grain for deer. Great vid. Dig the insight and information.

@adrianthorne1615 11 месяцев назад

165, to 185 gr. They fly straight.

@skipmitchell3200 Год назад

150 grain works great in a 30-06. It will kill deer like a 180 grain, just faster

@michaelgarrow3239 12 дней назад

180g Nosler partition. Mice to Moose. Your welcome.

@bigpeter2767 7 дней назад

168 boat tails

@ratdaddy7774 Год назад

I agree about the 150, in the beginning I wanted the speed but my reloader friend made me see the light now I use 180's😮 much better

@georgemcarthur488 Год назад

A 180 RNSP at a mild 2400fps is an absolute slayer in the 200 yard deer woods.

@craigleibbrand7761 11 месяцев назад

30-06 and 375 H&H. Hunt the world.

@ben7111 Год назад

If you shoot a solid copper Barnes, or cx bullet, you can get the velocity and penetration with a 130 grain. I get 3150 fps and can shoot through a deer length ways if I wanted to

@larryjones1359 11 месяцев назад

I shoot my .30-06 close in so Remington soft nosed bullets do fine. It really hammers deer. 165 grain for those that wonder. Federal makes excellent ammo for it too. The hogs and deer never know what happened.

@farleyjj1 Год назад

This short video did not fulfill the titles goal. It only told us that 150 grain is not maximal! 😢

@jacobvasco990 Год назад

I like that green shirt. Where can one buy i?

@joewalton163 Год назад

The only bullet you should be using out of the 30-06 is the hornady eldx 178 grain bullet.

@georgemcarthur488 Год назад

Dem is fightin' words😆

@phillipdouglas6454 Год назад

I like a 150 grain and in my 308 and 30-06. Speed kills. I get great pass thru shots with lots of great wound channel from the hydraulic shock.

@dimebag6982 Год назад

Shot my second ever deer with 150gr Speer grand slam out of my Winchester model 70. Was an eight point buck and only ran 60 yards with a heart shot. Complete penetration and pass through - I don’t understand what you are talking about.

@BaytownMan45 Год назад

A .270 Winchester. Is a 30 06 improved.

@ricktaylor3748 2 месяца назад

165 grain Sierra HPBT slams elk instantly. 150 gr works on most North American game. 180--200 gr. is too heavy for deer size game.

@csjrogerson2377 9 месяцев назад

Why did the clip stop? 150gr is too small, 180 is much better. Heavier will give a better BC and SD, but velocity will suffer. That means going the PRC route and having a bigger case, longer round, higher twist rate , more recoil and its a different rifle.

@ntsomelo7232 11 месяцев назад

Ugh..I apologize in advance, but RU-vid feeds me this. The 06 is handicap because it's an 06. 😅. Even with a higher BC bullet which for a 30 caliber bullet is 180 or 190 or higher to even begin competing with a 260 thru 284 class, it's struggles with velocity. The thing is about bullet choice is sometimes the rifle picks the load it likes and accuracy and confidence still Trumps what bullet you want to use. The ballistic coefficient doesn't mean much at 100-200yds.

@calvinruggles732 Год назад

No need to reinvent the wheel on this one, deer and elk have not evolved armor plating in the 117 years that the 06 has been getting tags on them. A 180 grain bullet at 2700 will kill everything just as dead as it did for grandpa, and modern propellants will boost that to over 2800 without fuss. If you really want a hot rod, get a magnum, but it's not truly necessary

@TobyGutierrez-vz8sp 11 дней назад

Something that has worked for many years all of a sudden is a problem ????

@tonywoconish6695 Год назад

🗣I beg to differ Cowboy: WAY TOO MANY DEAD Germans, Japanese and assorted Commies killed by the 150gr. And way too many dead deer 🦌 in my freezer. SEMPER FI 🇺🇸🤠

@jamesdavidsmith4033 Месяц назад

180

@peterchauvin1486 Год назад

I have the opportunity to get a bunch of 180 gr 30-06. Is 180 good? I really don't know

@georgemcarthur488 Год назад

180 grain 30-06 is the f-150 of 30-06 loads. Can pretty much do whatever you need. Little bit heavy for some critters, perfect for elk within 300 yards and moose for that matter. If you go to a Barnes monolithic you can drop down to 165 or 168 grain and be good for pretty much anything inside 300 yards.

@peterchauvin1486 Год назад

@@georgemcarthur488 I pretty much just hunt whitetail, I appreciate ur response. Guess I'm about to fall into some cheap ammo

@georgemcarthur488 Год назад

@@peterchauvin1486 Absolutely! You'll be in very good shape.

@damondiehl5637 11 месяцев назад

Yes. I've use 180 gr Core-Lokt soft points for whitetails for decades. They mushroom to twice their size and destroy lungs and hearts. I dropped a buck at 450 yards (I did have a scope with rangefinder and drop compensator, to be completely honest, tho). I would have no hesitation using that same bullet for moose or bear. Humans have been killing deer, elk, moose and bears with sticks and arrows for centuries. It's not like they are armor-plated. Know your drops, to make sure you get your shot placement right.

@peterchauvin1486 11 месяцев назад

@@damondiehl5637 those are what I was able to acquire. At a very fair price too I think

@matthewvassoff5736 5 месяцев назад

Hey, just a penny off the sidewalk... wouldnt the 150-155 class be fine for sm. to med. varmints, and light skined game? I do like 168, 180 gr bullet design and accuracy as well but ultimately the issue is... What are you hunting?, How much penetration do you need, really really. Do your studies and find whats worked for others before you.

@simonblanco9665 Год назад

150 silver tip The best ever for me From 50 yards to 500 yards

@bobwills7607 Год назад

Who is this guy???

@davidirwin8601 Год назад

165 grain nosler partion federal premium ammo nothing else will compare

@slowtaknow Год назад

150 is just fine for a 30-30 though, and what you're taking with it. 30-06 will take everything a 30-30 can but can do it better for longer ranged targets and larger game. Bear or elk/moose I'd rather a 30-06, you can take them with a 30-30, but I wouldn't, even though people have for many years

@texteb Год назад

My 30-06 is sub 1/2 in MOA with only 150gr !?

@tylersearle9041 Год назад

How much penetration does one need on an animal that seldom exceeds 200lbs.? Unless, of course , that you’re trying a heart shot starting at the anise in which case you shouldn’t be hunting in the first place but even then a 150 gr. would still kill the deer. Hyper analysis.

@oldmanSturzl Год назад

I prefer 130 gr .277 bullets out of my '06... 😉

@camwinston5248 Год назад

....yep..'cept this is where i really like the 150s 😉😁

@georgemcarthur488 Год назад

I see what you're up to 😉

@wesvaughn9477 29 дней назад

Nothing true about this

@ALIASJOHNNYPREPP Год назад

Worthless short

@johnterrell9201 11 месяцев назад

What’s wrong with this guy?

@backwoodscharlie8483 11 месяцев назад

Waste of time

@johnsmith45 Год назад

Ron says no ......if it ain't the Creedmoor......... 30,/06 or 308 sucks

@damondiehl5637 11 месяцев назад

Two world wars!

@joshsinglefooter Год назад

30-06 150gr swift Sirocco. DOA.

@georgemcarthur488 Год назад

That's a hell of a bullet. I did some tests with them at close and long range, I was very impressed.

@jigsawpulse1139 Год назад

Waste of time. Never have the answer

@Arcticroberto9376 Год назад

I feel like someone is randomly snipping 30 seconds from the full video without watching them

@josh2711 Год назад

@@Arcticroberto9376it’s a teaser, a hook.

@rockstorm4381 Год назад

The video never mentioned the best bullet for 30-06 (per its title). It just said 150 is not the 30-06's forte.

@josh2711 Год назад

@@rockstorm4381 I looked up the federal power shok 150 gr out of 30-06 and 308 on federals website. At 500yds the energy foot lbs from 308 is 807 and for 30-06 it’s 873. I’d have to agree 150 gr is not 30-06’s forte.

@AA-fg3wj Год назад

180 grain is my favorite bullet in my 30-06. All of my shots are less than 200 yards and the 180 will absolutely hammer a whitetail !

@odinsson204 11 месяцев назад

180 always worked for me.

@negridario3479 Год назад

jesus christ where’s Ron??

@kennethnewton1070 11 месяцев назад

165gr. Partition bullet. Reloaded 2900 fsp. Nothing has ever gotten-up. All 1 shot stops. Round always exits. Work very well for me.

@andybreglia9431 Год назад

Good as far as it went, but you needed more. You left off 220 grain round nose softs for dangerous game you are not taking at beyond fifty yards, such as Alaska's giant bears.

@randyguapo7793 Год назад

165 Gr. Partition , 165gr Grand slam or A Truly Deadly Sierra 165gr HPBT Always Have Worked Fabulous For Me And I'm 75 Years Old And Love Reloading My Own Rounds.

@megastick9324 Год назад

My old savage really likes 165gr Federal Fusions. It shoots most very well, from 150 - 180gr, 1” or less usually, but the Fusions just tighten up to 1/2” at 100 nearly all the time. Sometimes not, sometimes it’s me, I can’t say if it’s ever really the bullets fault. I’ve had days where I couldn’t hit my ass with both hands. But I’m sure that’s me.

@josephchavez8280 Год назад

A 150 grain accubond will clear up any doubt about a 150 grain out of a 30 cal. I shoot a 150 grain accubond out of my 300 wsm and it’s a laser beam out to 450-500 yards and never lost an elk or any animal for that matter. If you can see it aim dead on lights out no dialing required.

@georgemcarthur488 Год назад

Hey pal. We're talking about the '06 here 😂. Not you're fancy stuff.

@josephchavez8280 Год назад

@@georgemcarthur488 30 cal is a 30 cal. Speed is the only factor between the 30-06 and the 300 wsm. And the 300 wsm isn’t that much faster than the 30-06.

@georgemcarthur488 Год назад

@@josephchavez8280 I'm aware. That's why I said "The '06". Not .30 caliber.

@georgemcarthur488 Год назад

If I wanted to talk just .308 caliber there's a million of them.

@josephchavez8280 Год назад

@@georgemcarthur488 well either way I’ve had lots of luck with the nosler accubond 150 grain. Harvested a cow elk and a Barbary sheep with it last year both 1 shot in the vitals moderate ranges.

@jordanhicks5131 Год назад

168 grain old school cup and core spire point does the job fine out to 500 yards on deer and other similar game

@dores34 8 дней назад

The 180 trophy coppers are insane. They are all still flying somewhere.

@davealderfer8270 19 дней назад

30-06 150 accubond going 3070 fps.. Will do more than that 308 ever could

@ChrisEdling 7 месяцев назад

There are high bc 150 grain 30 cal bullets 🤦‍♂️

@mikemclendon4962 6 месяцев назад

Preferences are natural for all of us that hunt and shoot . 180 grn. 06 is what the military used . And for a reason . Million dollars in research led to their choice . We all know about the variety of bullet weights. The 180 grn. does better down range . Even in a .308 180 grn. is more efficient.

@scbane 11 месяцев назад

I could care less about making my 30-06s qnd and 308s "relevant." For 3 decades I have been killing deer, elk, antelope, caribou and moose with 30-06, 308, 270 win, 243 win, etc. I use these rounds because I love them due to my grandfather and uncles using them and handing down rifles to me in those calibers. I do not take shots over 400 yards. That is my personal ethical hunting range.

@charleshuyck6641 9 месяцев назад

That's why the 308 in 10% ballistics gell tests with a 150 grain corelokt tipped pretty much matches the 30-06 with a 180 comes .4 inches short but is expanded bigger. The 06 with a 22 inch is less honest to factory fps claims than 308 with a 20 inch. Watch tools and targets and Mason Leather. They chrono and test rounds 308 almost matched 06 at 56 yds and 06 was at 100. Should have way more penetration but speed was not there.

@skippygus73 Год назад

Don't understand why these people talk about BC and sectional density when most people use a cartridge for targets inside of 200 yds. My 150s are at 3k and inside of 200 yds are not going anywhere. Better yet are my 130 ttsx going 3220. Slow enough not to blow apart and can effectively get through several swine at once. If I need to shoot ridges my 190 Bergers will do 600 yds all day long. The 308 only hangs to 150 grain pill, but really starts losing quickly after. 06 for life here.

@jasonshults368 11 месяцев назад

223 is for deer. 30-06 is an elk/bear gun.

@paulsouth4794 Год назад

150gr copper @3200fps .. or the 180 barns @2900. Camels, scrub bulls,

@thomasgardner5872 8 месяцев назад

Been shooting a 165gr bthp Sierra since the 90’s wicked accurate and a sledgehammer

@arthurshingler2025 Год назад

I use 150 grain bullets almost exclusively when I load or hunt (AND plink at the range) with a 30-06. I don't put emphasis on "long range" shooting...at least by today's standards. They work for everything that I use an 06 for. If I hunted for bigger stuff.... I'd use 180s. Like elk... AND, 200 and 220 round nose for BIGGER and NASTIER stuff. Yeah, 180 can be an ideal all-around bullet weight....depending style and bullet construction. But since I hunt deer in the east, when shots over 200 yards are truly rare, 150s are more than enough. And more fun to shoot, since 06s don't kick near as bad with 150 grain bullets.

@TomL3grandsons Год назад

I have 308 and a 3006. In my opinion if you’re not using 180 grain in a 3006 you just a well be using a 308, that being said I think optimum load for a 308 is 165s.

@georgemcarthur488 Год назад

I have to agree. My favorite accurate hunting bullet is the 165 Sierra game king in both rounds. Almost identical velocity. Same with the 175 SMK. It only starts to change at 180gr. Once I get up to 220gr the 30-06 is just at 2500 and the 308 about 2200 with good accuracy.

@richb2229 Год назад

Started talking about 30-06 then went on to compare other calibers. But doesn’t ever get to the point….zzz

@kesleycottrell1416 Год назад

I like a 150 gr. Hornady SST in all of my 30 caliber cartridges. Seems to do well on PA whitetails. I use them in .300 Savage, .308 and 30/06.

@barrymantei7795 Год назад

150 grn. TTSX have great penetration on deer sized game.

@joshuabravener3856 Год назад

@glockfan87 11 месяцев назад

Really?

@doncoleman6070 11 месяцев назад

I used one for years in Alaska. 28 Moose in the freezer will tell you 165 grain does the job.

@skigdividerx4991 Год назад

There's an old guy in my home town that is still alive and he killed his last deer two years ago. He's 89 now. More huge racks hanging up in his shop than anybody for miles. He killed his first four Elk with a Marlin 30-30. out in Colorado in the sixties. Most of the big deer were killed with a 25-06 or a .22 mag. 😉