The Best Climbing Performances in Pro Cycling 2022 | Jonas Vingegaard, Tadej Pogacar, Tour de France 

LR, any chance you could edit some great, long climbs into 30, 45 and 60 minute segments? I'd watch those as I ride my home trainer during the winter here in the North.

Plus spandelles

Vout wan Aert

Aout wan Vert

@@WiardiVK nice pick-up

That race has such a glorious scenic route too.

YAll don’t have phones? 😅 No reception up there?

@@telmolicious there’s tens of thousands of people on one mountain all trying to use mobile data so it didn’t really work for anyone

@@danmoody6756 Damn.. were y’all really shocked though? I remember thinking that Jonas would have the edge in the highest mountains and reading on the day that Andy Schleck had him as the favorite on the day.

@@telmolicious it’s true I had suspected that jonas might do well and was hoping he would win a stage but pogacar looked untouched in every race he had been in so to see him distanced was still a surprise!!

@@danmoody6756 To me the most surprising thing was Jonas staying with Pog on the shorter, steeper climbs. Once I saw that I got even more confident on the outcome. In 2021 Jonas only lost time in the early part of the race. After that Pog couldn’t distance him.. and that was a Jonas joining the Tour as a “substitute”. A year later as a co captain and looking stronger in the mountains thaN Roglic in the Dauphine I felt more confident but of course u never know.

Yup, this guy went in some kind of otherworldly trance. Possibly had an out of body experience

THIS and his performance on stage 8 of paris-nice, saving the yellow jersey for roglic. He did it both times in the green jersey too!

Yeah the EPO was strong

He dug or drug? 😅

I guess you gave yourself away... your belgian then 🤣

100% correct. There is nothing that man cannot do on a bike.

It was amazing for a rider like him, but his w/kg weren't at all in the ball park for a top 10 climbing list, he really benefitted a lot from the time a break gets. I was a bit bummed JV chased after him, he'd likely have won that stage and by doing so even was even likely to take the mountain jersey. Imagine that, someone taking the sprint and mountain jersey as well as 4 stage wins, several 2nd places, a few days in yellow and winning the tour with another teammate, would have been nearly unbelievable.

@@MDP1702 Of course you are right about the entire climb but I'm guessing no one put out the watts he did over 2 minutes at the end of a mountain stage like that on top of the effort of being in the break all day. I was rooting for him to win too but he did the work for Jonas and Jonas paid him back by finishing it as he should have.

@@MDP1702 His watts would have been outrageous though. It's a shame heavier guys don't get as much credit.

@@MDP1702 Yeah.. but the Tours a but more important, ha? 😅 Ands Jonas paid him back by slowing down on the TT.

nice

100% this, it has been great the last few weeks

Thanks! The Same for yourself!

And the best team ! If TJV brings an even stronger team next year and UAE brings a stronger team it's going to be amazing to watch. Hopefully less covid abandons too.

Premoz' was Jonas's Superman...Without the horrible luck, Premoz' Would win almost every race he enters. A TRUE WARRIORS!

@@dennisdoucette9373 Primoz isn't better than Jonas and Pog anymore. He missed his opportunities, and now fresh contenders have entered the scene. Primoz is brilliant and he still is, but he won't win the TDF unless Pog and Jonas are both out.

@@nielshaug30 I think he can win if things go right, especially with team tactics. If Pog focuses more on Jonas (which isn't unlikely after this year), Roglic might benefit from it. And I am not sure Vingegaard would threaten Roglic winning (maybe even gifting it?), considering their dynamics. Especially with a health Rog and Jonas, they could potentially dominate this years tour securing places 1 and 2 imo and then deciding who takes it.

@@MDP1702 if they get 1 2 then they will decide it by whoever is the strongest. Mano el mano. No gifting. They are competitors after all. I think it will be decided on the TT's though, where Jonas has proven to be the strongest.

Don’t you mean Wout’s climb?

@@orangeorphan No, Roglic won the stage.

@@orangeorphan ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3DW65D7UvxU.html

@@orangeorphan He means stage 7 col du turini, not stage 8 Nice.

makes you pick you cadence up about 5-10 rpm, right? :D

@@Materazzi73 just watching this puts my HR into the red! Never thought I'd say this, but thank goodness for ERG mode, right?

@@kelldub78 Yeah, could never stay in zone 2 the entire ride without it!

Vingegaard is much much smaller and better suited for the climb. Riis not so much (mr 60 pct lol)

The fact Bjerg literally translates to mountain in danish makes it so much better

@@hansjakobappel3716 in german: Berg = Mountain

It was the brother Simon

@@HugoFSantos good point lol

Yeah, problem was that JV themselves made that stage hard for no real reason, wittling down their riders and setting up the opposition. This is no problem if Roglic was the strongest that day, but you never know for sure as that stage showed.

Obviously

Remco I think will be a big contender as well. And also Bernal

@fensterfred 1) 2023 tour doesn't have really big climbs with relatively steep gradients. Giro does. Giro in 2023 is like Tour 2022. 2) If you can do 6.5 for 30 you can probably do it for 35.

@fensterfred He doesn't go to the giro because he wants to avoid the tour (that also was kept as an option), but because he likes to do the giro. There are also other reasons like team (not strong enough climbing squad), planning (worlds 2 weeks after tour), route (lots of TT km's in giro, not so for tour and 3rd hard week to test himself), potential revanchism after 2021 attempt, maybe scrapping it of the bucket list, .... VS TdF just because it is the bigger grand tour in publicity and participation.

@fensterfred Are those valid reasons? Absolutely. He doesn't claim to be next coming of christ in cycling or whatever, nor does he is under the impression that he needs to immediately prove himself against everyone else. Rather he just needs to do what he wants and race the races he wants and are more logical. The real question is, why don't Pogacar and Vingegaard do the giro, both have already won the tour anyway. It would make more sense for them to do the giro and then after go for Giro and worlds or Vuelta (or both). Personally that is the problem I have with many people in cycling now, they put the tour on a divine pedestal and act like that is the only GT/thing that counts. You could say "well it is the biggest one with the best competition and publicity", but both of this is exactly because riders make it so, it is a self reinforcing circle: the best riders are supposed to the tour because it is the biggest most competitive and public GT, but by doing so they also keep the tour as such. If Vingegaard and Pogacar had both decided to go to the giro this year, the tour would become the 'overrated' GT this year and the giro by far the hardest and most interesting one. Imo the reason to go to the tour should never just be "it is the biggest and baddest", if that is the only reason to go, you might want to see if there aren't better reasons to go elsewhere. Only if the other GT's don't have better reasons, you can go to the tour for just that 1 reason.

In faun ardeche?

I thought it was something like (late) spring, so probably quite close to the tour when you already get some hype and attention on it.

Yessir

last point dead on

I think it speaks to the more regular use of banned substances in the past. Measurable and scientifically provable improvements have occurred tenfold over the past 20 years, with (debatably) less doping/banned substance use. It seems reasonably obvious to me that they all were just stimmed up to the eyeballs.

@@Gannicius Yup, I concur but also think that the much vaunted and outrageously costly technological improvements have been a great example of the law of diminishing marginal returns. We reached peak technology about 50 years ago, and since then we've been wasting time and resources on improvements that have been hyped to have more value than they really do. All you need to do is make some simple comparisons on a cycling speed-power calculator like Kreuzotter's to see this. Ahhh, but that's one of the keys to continued economic "growth"...making people think they need new and improved stuff all the time.

and that's just a shorter climb (epo helps more on longer climbs). If you compare today's guys to Pantani's best performances they will look like a bunch of amateurs

Altitude tents existed in the 90's, so did altitude training methods. Power and HR meters also existed and power data was used by coaches like Dr. Ferrari. The 6.8kg rule was introduced in 2000 after years of insane, dangerous lightweight builds. Aero bikes don't matter on steep climbs. Almost nothing has advanced massively technologically, that is a red herring. If the numbers are similar now, so is the pharmaceutical enhancement.

technology

The w/kg wouldn't change would they? are you saying the gearing would slow them down? Might just get up the slope a little slower, what am i missing

@@dickmcwienersonIII This is it! Similarly it would have been lovely to see a 60% Riis, riding the latest Cervelo or Colnago. Bike weight and clothing aero was probably a small factor as well. I suppose the times would be slower, but w/kg might well be the same.

Of course they are doped, nobody does 6,3 W/Kg for 36 minutes at stage 18 of the Tour and after what they had done before that without being doped. Vingegaard almost matched Lance's Hautacam time from 2000 and we all know what was happening in cycling at that time. But it's incredible to watch anyway.

@@leomarim5558 it is, but it’s also depressing. This doping has been going on for way too long. 😖

@@danroberts007 I know, but at the same time is actually healthier for them to do this races with drugs than without it.

Doesn't include proven cheats... 😂

Stop trying to give this cheat any credit for anything. He ruined the sport in the US. Dustbin of history and good riddance.

Riis. Bjarne Riis. The bald Eagle from Herning.

i mean riss did 480 watts for 35minutes thats a lot higher than jonas

10 Kg. In difference, better equipment, better diet and training and of course science development. Does make a lot of sense right?!

@@MrPete8118 you forgot to mention that Riis was doped to the absolute maximum that tour

@@MrPete8118 10kg is just absurd to think about.

I know that! But that doesn’t mean that Jonas was doped, as I just tried to explain. You must be ignorant if you can’t tell the difference

Their performances are normalised to the average 60kg rider because riders do different w/kg to go the same speed depending on their weight

And I'm guessing Vine won't be anywhere near that weight in 2023. Keep your eye on the Smiling Assassin

@@The123fiona That was his weight from the Zwift world champs Feb 2022. Could he get lighter? Maybe a little but he'll never be the same weight as guys like Jonas and Remco. Bones are heavy and he's pretty tall by climber standards. Which makes his climbing performance even more impressive to me.

@@LanterneRougeCycling So where are you pulling the watt data from? I'd venture to say that not all these riders publish their race data on Strava? Do you reverse engineer it in that case? Seems like VAM would be a much easier/accurate metric to work with. Also easily backward compatible with pre power meter performances. Maybe I'm missing something.

@@KD_cycling Pinot is around the same height and weighs 63kg (from PCS), Kuss also similar with 61kg (PCS) it is definitely doable for someone with Vine's size to get pretty light. Also pretty sure he might have been able to lose a bit of weight when fully focussing on climbing vs Zwift. Normalised weight is because they can't be certain of a riders weight at that time and possibly also not their real watts without them posting their data. Normalising data is a pretty standard practice in comparing these numbers and overall these have proven not too far off or even dead on when eventually compared with the actual riders data after they post. Ofcourse for the very heavy riders these normalised numbers might be somewhat more of, but then it isn't generally the case that you look at heavy riders in a situation like this.

Didn't he admit to doping/using banned substances during this race?

@@Gannicius oh yes. He toke the decorations of the Jersey to New heights. He was pretty yellow-eyed, when he cross the line 😄

Thumbs down for mention doped performances. Please try to forget the dark age before 2010 in cycling.