The Best Kept Secret in SM64 Speedruns

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Without you realizing, all top SM64 speedrunners are deploying hundreds of tiny optimizations to save time by reducing lag frames. In this video, I go more in-depth on those exact strategies.
Videos Mentioned:
DrogieSR's free lag reduction strats: • Free Lesser Known Lag ...
IsaacA's video on menu glitch:
• Fast Menu Glitch
3D Game Rendering (Frustum Culling):
• [Roblox] Frustum Culli...
Huge shoutouts to Lyfey, Dennis, Tabascoth, DrogieSR, 1ted59, IsaacA and LiamKings for providing me with information as well as gameplay footage and helpful videos.
Also special shoutouts to EZScape as he is my dad.
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You may know about things like DDD or JRB lag reduction, but there is much more than that going on in terms of reducing lag in super mario 64 speedruns. It is a topic that I think is extremely interesting and will only become more important as players push the times of the world records in 70 star and 120 star lower.
Apparently Cheese and Puncayshun may have some things to work on... haha s/o to Drogie once again for sitting down and recording his thoughts on lag reduction.
Also big shoutouts to Drogie for recording the audio sampled in the video, check him out at / drogiesr !
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Lag frame footage recorded by myself.
LiamKings 1:39:30 for B-roll gameplay footage: • Super Mario 64 120 Sta...
DK64 Door Clip:
• DK64 101% setups [N64]...
DK64 Moonkick:
• Moonkick - Donkey Kong...

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@EZScape 4 года назад

You're really good at keeping secrets

@limetips6719 4 года назад

oops he split the beans

@senota6990 4 года назад

ohp

@smloader 4 года назад

just you wait boo 😘

@SmeagolTheBeagle 4 года назад

Billy Rogers is pretty good mind

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

thanks dad

@thisisasupersayin376 4 года назад

"There are areas of the game where lag is inevitable..." "...Or is it?" *FILE SELECT MUSIC PLAYS*

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

epic

@KokoroKatsura 4 года назад

a n i m e n i m e

@e3uz 4 года назад

Is it vsauce like reference?

@xRaisn 4 года назад

@@e3uz more like pannenkoek

@poobman6 4 года назад

VSauce 64

@MaximumADHD 4 года назад

Oh neat, that's my clip at 3:40! Glad to see it was useful in a demonstration :) I made that mod of Roblox while I was an intern working on their engine in 2018.

@trigger_once 3 года назад

Nice job looks cool!

@mogg4243 4 года назад

The best kept secret is how to unlock Luigi. So secret that NO ONE'S DUNNIT!

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

please teach me

@mogg4243 4 года назад

@@SimplyN64 read the last sentence of the comment my boy.

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

@@mogg4243 do u have any leads

@mogg4243 4 года назад

@@SimplyN64 yeah, just check ouuuuuuuuuu Dnidmxdojabxiskekdocmrnjckcmdodckcni *MESSAGE DELETED*

@Rislear 4 года назад

Miyamoto knows

@jpegwarrior5431 4 года назад

so you're telling me the ultimate mario 64 speedrun strat is *not looking at the submarine?*

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

correct sir

@ClexYoshi 4 года назад

I'm suddenly reminded of Lookdown in Goldeneye and how such a strategy nearly upended that game because of how genuinely unfun of a lag reduction strategy it is.

@DarkRijin 4 года назад

so its kinda like Golden Eye's look-down strat?

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

exactly

@DarkRijin 4 года назад

Man I love watching these speedrunning strat videos from all these creators! Even though I'm not a speed runner I love learning the mechanics and about the game. So fascinating!! =D Thanks for the video

@Chroniknight 4 года назад

That's what I thought too

@thehonkening1 4 года назад

@@DarkRijin yeah i haven't played games in years but i love these kinds of videos.

@JorgetePanete 4 года назад

it's*

@BelianTamashi 4 года назад

I watch A LOT of SM64 speed run tutorials for someone who's never speed run'd

@lucacanali7196 4 года назад

same lol

@BAVBAVBAV 4 года назад

this channel has gone from a 3 to a 10 in about a week

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

that is the goal ^^ thank u very much

@robinbrown6530 4 года назад

It just lagged a bit at the start. Simply should have used lag reduction to save himself some lost popularity. :P

@matthewrease2376 4 года назад

@@robinbrown6530 oof

@BigHit9922 4 года назад

You have a good mix of comedy/silliness with informative explanations. Keep it up big simp

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

thank u very much :) want to be informative while not being too dry! thanks for watching

@rarebeeph1783 4 года назад

If it's the best kept secret, then why do we know about it? hmmmmm

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

uh oh...

@RichConnerGMN 4 года назад

stop jumping

@hobbified 4 года назад

Because there are zero *well*-kept secrets.

@PhiAce_0 3 года назад

@@hobbified *that we know of

@OfficialNoCoast 4 года назад

The best kept secret even Simply tried to keep it til he leaked the damn tape

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

@PhiAce_0 3 года назад

Seekret

@Drogie 4 года назад

good stuff and thanks for having me 👌🏿 💕 🔵🦟⚪

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

thank YOU for helping me out!

@KallyNui 4 года назад

Have you ever tested what overclocking the N64 would do? Apparently it is extremely easy to get over a 2x OC. This makes variable frame rate games run at higher frame rates and reduces slow downs in set frame rate games. This isn't perfect, and doesn't apply to all games. However, I don't believe anyone has tried testing it extensively on SM64. Would be great to see.

@AdamFerrari64 4 года назад

Drogie 🤮

@uyu2618 4 года назад

Todd Rodgers used lag frames to start the race in second gear confirmed

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

mind blown

@mysteriousfun4759 4 года назад

Such a classy exuberant video with great receipts. Perky host. Jazzy low key Lofi lounge music in the background. Gorgeous Mario visuals. Informative fine television

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

thank you for watching! glad u enjoyed it :)

@minnesotacubes7911 4 года назад

Great video and super informative, it’s cool to see how people have really researched every possible time save for this game.

@brownntx_7600 4 года назад

Dang I didn’t realize how little subs you had you’re vids are just as well done as anyone elses

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

thank you very much :) just getting into making vids like these so we're getting there... glad u enjoyed it

@Nightcaat 4 года назад

Everyone has to start somewhere :)

@JorgetePanete 4 года назад

else's*

@major4k241 4 года назад

Nice work. Very informative my friend. keep cranking these out.

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

thank u for watching! glad u liked it

@danpreston564 4 года назад

I’ve never speed run a game in my life, except perhaps for seeing how fast I could complete the first Pikmin game, I haven’t played any game in years but I find this channel, and also Karl Jobst, endlessly fascinating. Thanks for your content.

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

thank you so much for the kind words! im glad you enjoy it :)

@michapruchnik5187 4 года назад

Very similar to my case. It looks speed running community have great commentators with good voice color. To Karl Jobst I would add rwhitegoose

@Cheekys_corner Год назад

You should check out summoning salt then

@SpeedrunFails 4 года назад

Nice video dad, pls keep making videos

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

thanks son, will do :)

@TinNovaKiin 4 года назад

*FimpleSlips wants his nickname back*

@SATOTEHDOOD 4 года назад

N64: MY EYES CANT HANDLE THAT MUCH ME: **does lag reduction** N64: Ah, thats better.

@witmilk6527 4 года назад

Nice video mate, keep this nice and fresh!

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

thanks for watching!

@matthewrease2376 4 года назад

This is the kinda stuff that puts me off from trying to speed run games like this lol.

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

its actually pretty fun when u get into it

@matthewrease2376 4 года назад

@@SimplyN64 I've considered doing Mario World speedruns (specifically 11 exit), but I feel Mario 64 is just too complex for me. I still haven't even beaten the game normally, though if I played it more often I'm sure I could. Only trick I've tried, is BLJ on the endless staircase, and to be fair, it worked!

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

@@matthewrease2376 thats a start!

@dem0n0maniac 4 года назад

Very cool! Love learning more about speedrunning!

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

thanks! glad u enjoyed it :)

@nim64 4 года назад

nice vid, one thing: dont blame the n64s ram and processing power for the lag problems caused by dumb sm64 devs not checking their makefiles

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

thats a good point! i forgot to bring that up

@jongyon7192p 4 года назад

this guy decomps

@shadoninja 4 года назад

I would like to hear more about this. Are you guys hinting at compiler settings being a problem?

@warmCabin 4 года назад

I thought the engine was just poorly optimized?

@Zetris 4 года назад

@@warmCabin they used -g instead of -O2

@jbardugon 4 года назад

“Well Big daddy Simp-“ 7:43 I spit my breakfast out from laughter thanks

@carsonlammi8103 3 года назад

Watched the first four seconds and that was all I needed, thanks Simply 👍

@wastedbase6421 4 года назад

I got this in my recommended and I genuinely learned a lot.

@bettertainmentinc4393 4 года назад

Very Informative big daddy jones!

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

thats the goal baby! thanks for watching

@benhaney5843 4 года назад

Wow. I knew about this but the head to comparisons are crazy. They really show the huge difference.

@huggarugga 4 года назад

I love you big simp dad, youre a legend

@combcombo 4 года назад

i wanna politely make a correction: at 5:42 Big Simp claims it is Nero who is dad, when in fact, it is Big Simp himself who is dad. other than that, great video, very hot.

@Coreydangdoe 4 года назад

It’s invaluable to have this info available in an accessible, easily understandable format. Thank you!

@sammydolgin 4 года назад

the kendrick-sm64 crossover I've been waiting for

@KanjoosLahookvinhaakvinhookvin 4 года назад

Actually the best kept secret is Mario's friend Mips the Rabbit is gay

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

wow mind blown

@OneTrueElihym 4 года назад

is that really a secret doe 😳

@regulator062 4 года назад

If that's the best kept secret then Bowser being gay has to be the worst.

@lucianostizzoli2676 4 года назад

J.K.Rowling 64

@gqfrisk5727 4 года назад

Duuude, your vids are good for someone with so little subs. Dubbed immediately

@SuperSniffen 4 года назад

Grats on the World Record man

@lxdicrous4413 4 года назад

Very good video i enjoyed it alot

@Theooolone 3 года назад

3:41 did not expect to see the roblox starter place in a SM64 speedrunning video

@Smoopadoop 4 года назад

sm64 speedrun with all rendering turned off, its just a black screen with sound and you have to do it by memory purest lagframe reduction around fellas

@samszotkowski 4 года назад

There's blindfolded SM64 speedruns that are essentially that, Simply has a video about it

@samszotkowski 4 года назад

There's blindfolded SM64 speedruns that are essentially that, Simply has a new video about it

@cedrick25 4 года назад

Ooooo, another gem!

@fugnignafer5812 3 года назад

Awesome vid

@MidnightMechanic 4 года назад

Have you tried just looking down in first person, hugging walls, and tanking damage to get to the end?

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

havent tried that, sounds p good

@Vekstar 4 года назад

This video is going to get big.

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

that would be cool

@pseudonym1515 4 года назад

The real secret to saving time is TIME ITSELF! Since time flies when you're having fun, just play the game while doing your taxes!

@bencolley5618 4 года назад

Amazing vid

@tombradydeflates8313 2 года назад

Dang wish I watched this video years ago. I've had many questions over the past year that were all answered in this video

@Slerndog 4 года назад

4:22 had me dying

@spingthotslayer6642 4 года назад

3:40 Roblox Kids also learn something too

@IamTheGreatCornholioo 4 года назад

finally I understand what no save is about :D

@nostrnastr9439 4 года назад

Thank you for a good video

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

thank you for a nice comment :) glad you liked it

@TheIrishBub 4 года назад

Couldn't tell you the last time I watched a 4:3 youtube video.

@SkyeBerryJam Год назад

Nothing will ever top the feel that an N64 controller has on an N64 game

@drhall343 4 года назад

8:12 Go home Mario you're drunk.

@dennerdoe 4 года назад

big dad JONES with the straight facts

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

holy shit its denner

@JakeRanney 4 года назад

Nice Snakeybus music :)

@iProgramInCpp 3 года назад

I think the Shindou version has optimizations enabled upon compilation, there should be categories for that. 2:32 Modern PC games also do this. In fact, popular game APIs like MonoGame and Unity give you a "delta time" since the last frame to better adjust for lag. Unity also adjusts it's physics accordingly, but it is up to the developer to adjust the physics in MonoGame. The Super Mario 64 PC port mod with unlocked FPS actually uses this very method to adjust for speedups.

@EZMawloc 4 года назад

Dope vid

@Znernicus 4 года назад

I guess because I speedrun DK64 on N64 it never seemed like a secret to me that runners will focus on lag reduction in other N64 games, but it's cool to see some of the concrete examples explained. I actually copied SM64's swimming lag reduction strat of looking to the side when running through DK64's water level, Gloomy Galleon.

@woahitsben 4 года назад

your videos own

@SpeedSword6771 3 года назад

who knew i was using a less laggy camera angle because i thought it looked cool

@AtomicBoo 4 года назад

I never understood why mario 64 speedrunners refuse to accept virtual console as a real speedrun platform to play while zelda oot community doesn't give a shit about the platform ur playing, iqueue, japanese virtual, n64 whichever is the fastest at the time its the strat

@meta04 4 года назад

because Japanese VC uses the "Shindou" version, which has patched BLJs and many other differences

@lpfan4491 4 года назад

people wanted to compete with the japanese people instead of having their own speedmeta. it is a pretty artificial reason,but all the power to people who spend enough money to actually run on n64

@alfo2804 4 года назад

@@lpfan4491 Enough money? An N64 and a Super Mario 64 cartridge hardly breaks the bank.

@lpfan4491 4 года назад

capture card,converters,etc.

@alfo2804 4 года назад

@@lpfan4491 Ah, I didn't consider that.

@domlee5902 4 года назад

Good video

@Yoshistar95 4 года назад

Really cool to see how speedrunners can save time purely by using lag reduction, but yeah I expect some camera angles are actually awkward to use, until you get used to it. Just only didn't knew how much impact it has in JRB and DDD, I was aware of massive lag, but a full minute? Wow! Now of course lag reduction also exists in MK64, done by zooming out in 150cc runs, except it wasn't discovered until like 2014-2015 (iirc) that this was a thing, crazy fact is that the first to utilize this strat was Dotman, who was known to cheat in other Mario Kart titles in the past. Kinda crazy how some stuff are discovered, like how shells can't hit you when shoot backwards (still hits cpu), which was discovered not too long ago (but who would test that out of the blue anyway? lol) or even a backup wrong warp in Yoshi Valley (making shortcut runs more doable)

@joshuahudson2170 4 года назад

I wonder what would happen to the community if somebody managed a nearly 2:1 overclock of the N64 hardware. Liquid cooling isn't cheap, but you just know somebody's gonna try it sooner or later.

@davidhilsee 4 года назад

3:41 I didn't know that was how roblox loaded

@Forcoy 4 года назад

Thats why roblox runs so fast. It unrenders non viewed object on the client

@ElfinaAshfield 4 года назад

4:26 Kendrick Lamar ref lol

@Valientlink 4 года назад

unfortunately this isn't appreciated often in games like OoT ;/

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

is there much lag reduction like when 100% was in n64? i feel like with the way that camera works etc makes it harder

@simpson6700 4 года назад

yeah, it's so well kept, that i even do it on emulator, just because.

@katraena5225 4 года назад

3:41 wow...8 years of roblox experience and i JUST discovered it does that :o

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

its very common in many 3d games!

@katraena5225 4 года назад

@@SimplyN64 i knew that..i just didnt realize it was a feature in roblox...

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

@@katraena5225 ahhh i see

@aBetterMove 4 года назад

As a runner with lag in a game of my own it is wonderfully interesting to see how another community grapples with this purely for technical interest. At 7:21 shouldn't you though divide by 29.97 though rather than 30, if that's the framerate of the game?

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

yes, good point

@nseddie3884 4 года назад

SM64: Lag: I am Inevitable

@jongyon7192p 4 года назад

Shout outs to Isaac A! He's one of the route planners for the new 120 TAS

@Tundric_Schwolf 4 года назад

*Cries in PAL*

@nitrax8629 3 года назад

At least the PAL version has less lag to begin with - the slowdown in dire dire docks is virtually unnoticable!

@mapleham5633 4 года назад

Question! Does the expansion pak have any noticeable effect whatsoever when speedrunning the game?

@nitrax8629 4 года назад

Doubt it even uses it at all, probably no.

@t1glistenerelf 4 года назад

No, it does not, sadly. I wish, though.

@nickz1lla 4 года назад

Would modified n64’s with more powerful parts be against the speed running rules?

@nickz1lla 3 года назад

LunarX64 if you speedeun in the switch would it be against the rules? I know no one will speed run on there cause it’s the newer version that removed backwards long jumps but would it be?

@ThatRaisinTho 3 года назад

TechNickL the version on the switch is part of its own seperate leaderboard.

@Kovatheauthor 4 года назад

Was curious as to what the background music was but the link in the description doesn’t work. Anyone know?

@AvatarofNyx 4 года назад

The lag frames stocks!

@AdamFerrari64 4 года назад

I respect lag reduction techniques and even do them occasionally on VC to honor the community but could never learn to play on N64 unfortunately.

@PopADoseYo 4 года назад

I was the same way. But the n64 controller alone makes running the game much easier.

@AdamFerrari64 4 года назад

PoPaDoseYo I’ve had great comfort in the Gamecube controller. It’s the best controller in history in my opinion.

@1ted59 4 года назад

Wow sm64 devs installing a lag switch smh

@AzakielRuns 4 года назад

3:40 is that Runescape???

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

roblox

@Yuni009 4 года назад

Up for educational videos!

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

knowledge is power!

@opnuul 4 года назад

goood video simp nation

@idontcheckmynotifications 4 года назад

Wait wait wait, are you saying that SM64 targets 60FPS? I actually never knew that. Edit: I think I misunderstood but I'm amused anyway Also DK's feet having that triangle fur so sharp and long terrifies me ahhhhhhhhhh

@kelPrins 4 года назад

but in EMU you can set counter factor to 1 to reduce lag, so wouldn't that be free time save?

@SimplyN64 4 года назад

yes, however its basically set in stone that top players play on N64, not EMU

@Ethan23544 4 года назад

my emulator lags in DDD even when I change my camera angle and its way worse than shown in this video... i think they did something to make it more realistic but it fucked it up even more.

@TheElswer 4 года назад

In the end, it will all come down to lag reduction, and the runs will look extremely counter-intuitive.

@_boux 4 года назад

wait a minute this isnt simpleflips

@lucacanali7196 4 года назад

well now it ain't a secret anymore

@georgegreen711 Год назад

Well, I suppose the easiest way to fix this is just add more RAM, but then you'd be disqualified from speedrunning if you were ever caught.

@im_a_stain7874 2 года назад

back when his yt videos weren’t just clipped vods Sadge

@Echoesoftimelover 4 года назад

“The Ex Best Secret Kept”

@tyisafk 4 года назад

My brother and I have been speedrunning 16 star over the past few weeks and I remember him telling me you have to Mario cam on CCM when you get the small penguin. I'm sure it's from the tutorial he watched on it and I learned to do it from watching Clint so I don't switch cams. Now I know why lol I play in the N64 category but he's on EMU, so it would be pointless for him, but I'm gonna start doing that now lol