The hall-effect is way too short so feels way less accurate and less fine tuned compared to original. The original protrudes much more and that's way more leverage.
I'd recommend the 8BitDo Hall-Effect Joystick. I've got two of those and they are incredible. One reads 84 on all axis and the other ranges between 81 and 83. Both are incredibly close to an original controller.
This is really good to know! I wanted to try out their stick mod, but I couldn't find anyone talking about how it measured compared to an OEM one. Might have to get one soon then.
I just got one installed. Reads 80 on all axis. The original joystick has overshooting issues. Smooth as butter and very accurate. Just a tip for anyone regardless of using an emulator or an original N64. You can hold both the L and R triggers then press start to reset the joystick so it’s centered again. Seems to be programmed on the internal chip
I ordered 8bitdo wireless N64 controller mod kit,,,but I am keeping the OEM stick. OEM stick is the best. If it's woren out, just replace it with new OEM stick. OEM stick is the best way to play.
That benchmark octagonal gate is more symmetrical and uniform than literally every high-profile third party controller right now. A little sensitive (like every stick replacement, it seems) but a surprisingly great showing from Retro-Bit on this one. As far as Gamecube-style sticks go, this is the one to beat, by far.
They could have had a very close sensitivity pattern compared to OEM if they used the same physical gating as the original stick instead of a perfect octagon which every other aftermarket seems to do.
The latest Hyperkin-revision has improved in this regard, they now use a gate with measurements much closer to that of an original stick. Has made me excited to at least try it out.
@@mattbrabham6351Which is nuts… because the stick gate itself is basically a straight up octagon like any other gamecube-style stick (just dusted mine off to check). But when benchmarking, the results look like a proper N64 “elongated” gate (although way too sensitive lol). Whatever Hori did, everyone else should take note
I don't get why they insist on using a perfectly uniform octagonal gate, while the original wasn't like that. The newest hyperkin-sticks actually replicate the original gate-measurements much more closely. I don't know whether or not the range is improved as well however. These third party options always tend to "snap" into the four main directions, like they have too thick deadzones in the + directions, how's this one in that regard? Easy or hard to make a slight turn while running?
I remember back when the physical deadline would get so large that we’d have to jam our fingers in an awkward position just to get link to move properly forward. The struggle was real! Like using your index finger to “hook and pull”. But not to be too hard or the stick would pop right out. Good thing it’s still work after popping it back in but those joysticks were so bad after wear.
I didn’t grow up with the N64 controller, but using it recently, I must agree that it’s pretty comfortable. People always complain about not having access to the dpad and stick at the same time but that’s pretty much never an issue in practice since no game actually needs that.
The N64 remains as one of the most underrated consoles that will never die! Respect to the big N for bringing this one to market! New parts being delivered prove it!
I got my n64 when I was 10 back in 2012. When I would use a controller with a tight stick, I loved it. As soon as I got my hands on a controller with a loose stick though it was literally unplayable. The loosest stick I currently own won't register the x axis fully anymore.
Sega was way ahead of it's time they used hall efect joysticks on the Sega Saturn 3d gamepad and the Dreamcast controller they also had pressure sensitive triggers
FYI: If you want to play Buck Bumble, make sure you don’t upgrade all your controllers with sticks like that. Leave at least one OEM, until you confirm the stick will work with that game, because something about the upgraded sticks makes controlling Buck Bumble impossible (probably something to do with the sensitivity).
Not that I don't believe you User-pd8, but does anyone else wanna chime in with their experience with Hall Effect sticks and Buck Bumble? Because if one game is effected by this stick, I would assume some other N64 game could be affected as well.
I only know of Buck Bumble not liking the upgraded sticks (not Hall Effect sticks, specifically). It has something to do with that game’s controller inputs, not the fault of the sticks. I haven’t played any other games that gave me that problem, but I haven’t tested every game. I also don’t know the brand of stick the shop I took my controller to upgraded it with. They just advertised putting GameCube sticks in N64 controllers. It works fine on most games, as far as I can tell. Quick Note: I also read Brawler64 controllers have similar sticks to the ones that don’t work with Buck Bumble, but I haven’t personally tested that, yet. I did notice a difference, however, with the inputs of the Brawler64 controller stick and an original stick while doing Break the Targets in Super Smash Bros. It just felt different trying to jump higher. However, again, I haven’t done extensive tests.
Just got mine in and they have severe input delay :/ my test is dash dancing in Smash Bros, pivot smash attacks, and fast fall up airs. And in order to do it, I have to wait half a second before I make the next input or else I won't dash dance, Instead of pivot smashing I'll do either a dash attack the wrong way, or jab the other way, and I won't fast fall up air, I'll fast fall neutral air
I received mine yesterday and installed it in a controller that had a replacement stick already. Compared to my controller with an original stick, this hall effect stick is just crazy amazing how great it is!
I had already preordered the hall effect joystick itself from the 8bitdo website, great video! From watching their howto on youtube for this mod, being able to order just the hall effect joystick, and have it work on corded OEM controllers will be amazing. Looking forward to the two I bought to be shipped. Already have the nintendo online N64 controllers so didn't need the entire kit. They're also releasing a nice looking mechanical keyboard with some specialized I/O ports on the top side for things like their large buttons. Would make for some nice mods like putting those large buttons in a table or something.
Definitely looks promising, because there's no deadzones as far as I see here, because that was a common issue with the GameCube replacement sticks, so hopefully it's all good to go out the box with games like Goldeneye. If it is, I'm sold!
Wow, another GameCube stick in a N64 controller. They really are trying hard to make anything and everything, except them wireless Dreamcast controllers. 🤣
Or just a wireless N64 controller that's like the original. They have to just keep remaking it. Luckily we got the Switch online controllers now and can pair them with a adapter, but the controllers are being scalped so you'll be lucky to get one.
I'm with you with the N64 controller design, but I think the stick would be an old time best if only Nintendo had used more wear resistant materials. I find it easier than any other stick to have very precise control due to the mechanical resistance, not to mention that stick drift is impossible on these.
I'm 6'3 and my hands are so big even the Xbox Duke controller felt tiny to me so N64 controller is fine. Love that and the Dreamcast. Even though I got big hands the dam SNES controller still is comfy as well. Gaming today is over complicated. I still play Atari 2600 and have a blast and I'm not old enough to be apart of the OG Atari generation at all. Simple works. That's why I liked the Wii. less buttons again. They cram so many buttons today it takes away what gaming was meant to be about. I always felt the SNES, PS1, DC etc. were best in sense of 6 buttons max. Don't need 15 buttons on a controller
Eh.... No everyone hated the N64 controller even back then. The non analog ps controller was already out. And while playing games every time you had to move your hand from the handle. You were painfully struck by the realization that no one put the slightest idea of what they were doing when making that monstrosity.
First off, I love your content. THAT BEING SAID, I was 10 when the N64 dropped and the controller was a problem. My best friend got the console in 1996. I played at his house for 2 years before my family could go next gen. The controller is the reason I went is PS1.
I just want to know if anyone makes a stick with the same sensitivity as the original. I rebuild stock ones, and I've been mostly happy with them, but a whole new stick would be cool.
For real. All these years, ALL these different controllers released, and not one of them nails the benchmarks. It wouldn’t even be a big deal if there weren’t so many games with controls designed VERY specifically around the OEM stick’s benchmarks. GoldenEye aiming being way way too sensitive, or a character not running full-speed at one particular diagonal. It’s always something with these third-party options. It drives me nuts!
The original stick design i found interesting since it's basically a modified ball mouse in how it works. The original controller does hurt my hand after a while though; i have long fingers and big hands so that's not the problem.
I always test controllers with Ten Eighty N64. How well can you do a 1080 or 720 and so forth with a new joystick. One of the best games to test that new joystick out (along with Mario).
Not sure who you hung out with as a kid but my daily N64 friend group (12 or so kids) never complained at all about this great controller until the sticks went limp. Regional preferences maybe?
How does this stick perform in Goldeneye? I just got the 8bitdo stick because a lot of people were saying it’s the best, but I’m finding it to be too sensitive and it makes aiming really difficult. I’m trying to beat the Control level on 00 agent and poor Natalya would really appreciate a control stick that doesn’t makes this level more difficult than it already is 😂
I'll tell you right now, some gamers who grew up on PlayStation looked at that controller and made fun of it. I remember in the 4th grade in the 90's I roasted that thing, but here I am today buying an OG 64 controller for better emulation.
This is kind of off topic. I'm trying to add Bluetooth to all my consoles. There's a receiver for nearly all consoles, but if you want to use an OEM controller then you have to mod. Not all controllers have mods. I think the GBros and raphnet are the solution. If you use Nintendo mini NES & SNES plus the GameCube controller then GBos has you covered. Except for N64, unless you use a raphnet N64 to Wii adapter. That's all Nintendo with OEM non-modded controllers. Raphnet should be able to use other consoles with the GBros. In theory, this should work although I don't have any of the items. Could you get an OEM N64 controller to work with the GBros?
Nope, definitely hated that controller back in the day. Best friend 2 houses down had an N64 at launch and that controller always baffled me at how dumb it was.
@@deadringer8050 not back to the N64 controller lol. The only thing other controllers took and improved upon from that controller is the joystick. Doesn’t change the fact that the controller itself sucked ass.
I can see why someone would like the n64 controller. I just think the gamecube controller is far superior. I played 64 games with both and I keep on coming back to the gamecube controller.
8BitDo. Just got mine installed and it registers as 80 on all axis, which is PERFECT. The original joysticks had a problem with overshooting and isn’t as smooth due to the flawed design.
I didn’t know a single person who wouldn’t complain about it when we were little. The controller is booty. For a lot of reasons it still is. Yet I don’t feel right playing N64 games with any other third party controller. Even the RetroFighters i keep getting just don’t feel right.
Tbh I really like the kitsch bent replacement parts, it's the best compared to all the replacements so far. This def looks interesting tho. Might get a few just out of curiosity. Anyone know where to download that software for testing controllers? I have an everdrive as well
Kitsch-bent parts are very good and very affordable but they’re definitely a “lottery” - I’ve gotten a bunch of them, and the results can vary anywhere from “eh” to damn-near perfect out of the box. You can dial them in with some further stick-sanding, but it’s still not ideal. An easy, lazy drop-in solution with accurate benchmarks would be ideal, but still a pipedream, apparently. So even if it takes a little elbow grease, Kitsch-Bent is by far the best option from a price-to-performance standpoint.
I wouldnt say nobody. Alot of ppl in my area including myself hated that controller and went with playstation instead. To this day i still dont really like that controller.
With all due respect, back in the day I hated this controller. Like the Gamecube controller, it was great for certain games, but a disaster for others, especially fighting games.
I think you need to be a bit more gentle with the analog sticks man, i used mine like hours and hours for years and i never had any problems with the Analog stick. No need to yank it all the time
I was a Sega fan boy back in the day, that N64 abomination didn't grow on me until my adult years... *update: tried to preorder up in 🇨🇦 but a no-go in my my area! Sux
The N64 controller 🎮 was good but I always felt the analog stick could have been better. Look at the Dualshock 2 for the PS2 that's how you do analog sticks.
The N64 is a good controller, especially for the era, and for the games that were yet to be released. One of the issues would probably if not for the most part be the joystick, not being as good as what the analog stick the ps1 later added to their system. “Dreamcast controller”
I was complaining about the N64 Controller cause the PS1 controller and the Dual shock controller were just better designed controllers at the time. Now I had a more fun than I could shake a stick at with my N64 but the controller sucked. Gamecube was one button from being perfect.
N64 is great I grew up with the console one of my first controllers and I can say with confidence the n64 controller is the worst designed controller ever 😭😭 they put the memory card on the controller which was dumb, and the 🍆 in the middle of the controller was never necessary and just made the controller unnecessarily large, arcade cabinets was around for years and you want me to believe that was the best joystick they could come up with? How you gonna give a controller rumble dlc😭🤣😭 and if u use it saving becomes a hassle😩 n64 is dead last in the controller tier list. Love the system tho
