The BEST SHTF Caliber for TEOTWAWKI WROL Minuteman Militia

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Ok, boys and girls- the ultimate pee-pee measuring contest- 5.56mm versus 7.62x39mm versus 7.62x51mm. Here's a discussion on the merits of each round for SHTF WROL TEOTWAWKI. I could tell you in this description which round I like more- the 5.56mm (.223 Remington ish), the 7.62x39mm (AK47, SKS ammo) or the 7.62x51mm (.308 Winchester ish) but you can just watch the video instead!
The key to understand is that in SHTF TEOTWAWKI WROL there IS NO RESUPPLY. This is a foundational concept to this channel- you are your own resupply. therefore you need to take measures to make sure you have all the things including enough ammo. This is especially important for a minuteman loadout, a martial law situation, or even during an economic collapse.
Your loadout needs to be as squared away as possible, whether that's your AR15, AR10, AK47, SKS- whatever- just make sure that your minuteman loadout has *all the things*. I truly believe it is only a matter of time before we have to do Militia stuff and/or there's martial law because of an economic collapse or civil war- our own north American SHTF WROL TEOTWAWKI.
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@raulgonzales1374 4 года назад

In Vietnam I carried 23 magazines for my M-16 and for a few months I carried a fourth bandolier of 7 extra magazines. But the one time I was in a firefight I used up all three bandoliers of ammo, i.e. 23 magazines and that was on an overnight O/P Observation Post squad size patrol. the firefight lasted from 6a in the morning til 12 noon. The lesson learned is that you should carry as much ammo as you are able to hump even if it kicks your ass everyday of the week. I also had 8 fragmentation grenades with me as well as a claymore mine and I used up everything. Also used up my smoke grenades to mark our location for air strikes and helicopter gunships to make strafing runs.The reason for the 8 frags was that one member of the squad had less than 30 days to go incountry and he was allowed to stay with the rest of the company and not go out on a squad size patrol which was dangerous. Raul R. Gonzales

@Scorpio-tn4vy Год назад

True but with 5.56 the same or less amount of the same weight gives you many more rounds.

@CASTRO45ACP Год назад

@@Scorpio-tn4vy He had to use that much ammo because 556 didn’t do well with brush, a thick thick knocks 556 off it’s course, you get a lot of misses that way, in Afghanistan our troops experienced the same thing but they also had better optics to get clearer shots so not quite as bad, 308 isn’t getting pushed aside by twigs, just saying.

@lynn4205 Год назад

Thank you for your service soldier. May God bless you your every step

@JR-ld1et Год назад

Awesome to hear stories like this Mr Gonzales!!! My dad went to Vietnam also and tells me of carrying a lot of ammo just like you mentioned and as much water as he could too . He laughs every time he mentions the bandoliers of ammo too . Thanks for fighting in a time when people weren’t thankful when you got back . Just rest assure that people are finally starting to appreciate what you guys went through back then . Thank you . ✊

@dn88s Год назад

Seems like in a shtf situation you wouldn't be going on search and destroy missions or anything similar to what our conventional military was doing in Vietnam.

@dude0311dude 5 лет назад

"Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimum food or water, in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon. He doesn't worry about what workout to do---his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him. The True Believer doesn't care 'how hard it is'; he knows he either wins or he dies. He doesn't go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the 'Cause.'  Now, who wants to quit?"  Special Forces Instructor

@CM-ve1bz 5 лет назад

TheDelawarePatriot The man you just described is the Japanese soldier of ww2 and he didn't fare all that well

@teaempire7929 5 лет назад

C M Yeah, thanks to atomic bombs...

@CM-ve1bz 5 лет назад

Tea & Empire In reality, Japanese lives were saved because of the atomic bombs. There was already over 300,000 killed in the carpet bombing of Japan and that was just in the attempt to destroy manufacturing. If it had come to an invasion of the mainland the bombing before the landings would've been massive, probably killing millions before the first craft ever came ashore. During the island hopping, the Japanese losses were on average 10 times of the Americans losses. The US expected about a million casualties to take the mainland. With all of the Japanese civilians in close proximity, it's hard to imagine what it would've been like.

@teaempire7929 5 лет назад

C M That’s right.

@earlwyss520 4 года назад

@@CM-ve1bz I seem to remember a story about an Imperial Japanese soldier who held out, alone on the island of Guam until 1980 or so. When they finally captured him he was wearing rags, and had protected his rifle was well as he could, and didn't realize that the war had been over for 35 years. Don't discount the true believer.

@prepperdreams4684 5 лет назад

I am ok carrying my AR outside. I practiced some indoor room clearing drills, and was surprised how quickly my arms got tired holding the rifle up at the ready. For those who havent practiced holding a rifle at ready for several minutes nonstop, they might want to try it. I took some of the fancy accessories off immediately afterwards.

@basti080891 5 лет назад

Prepper Dreams one of the reasons short „cqb“ uppers exist. Inside a building you don’t need the extra power of a long barrel and a 11.5 is easier (and this means longer) to hold up than the longer ones

@basti080891 5 лет назад

@bali song the difference between 11.5 and 14.5 in muzzle blast and noise is there, but its not that big that the 14.5 would be pleasant to shoot indoors either, I have both. But I agree, either a suppressor or hearing protection is strongly advised with every ar!

@jay8557 5 лет назад

Silencers are not very silent, unless shooting out of a .22lr. Indoors, a silencer out of a 5.56, is loud as hell, and ear protection, would still be required. In a real shtf scenerio, take that damn thing off, and throw it in the trash. Just another unnecessary item, people put on, to look cool.

@basti080891 5 лет назад

@@jay8557 I resprect your opinion, but I disagree. It matters if the shot indoors is 136dB (my 14.5 messured with a ase utra cqb thread on in a 4 meter diameter shooting tube) or 162dB (without the suppressor and instead a bcm comp) for your hearing, the one makes permanent damage, the other doesn't. When hunting I see the big difference. When there is more than one animal, the one shot drops and the other ones are many times confused instead of fleeing instantly. Do you think untrained people would be any different?

@abc4781 4 года назад

@@basti080891 But what happens when you have threats outside of said building after your finished clearing ? Personally I wouldn't go under 14 inches on a rifle but I choose to run a 16 inch CHF on mine.

@barryhay2024 5 лет назад

You gave a great answer to a very tough question. You folks are so fortunate to have a 2nd amendment. "Assualt" rifles are near impossible to get in South Africa. My dad fought terrorists with a R1 (FN-FAL) in 7.62 nato. In their theater they needed to out range the enemy on very flat terrain. (Hence shoot through a tree and hit the terrorist at 800 meters reliably). The R4 (galil) in 5.56 nato was issued later in the 80s. Much love from SA.

@rebeccahenderson5342 4 года назад

Its not because of the snow its because of the coal that you can't get "assault" liberty in SA. Equal opportunity and all.

@Bart12349 4 года назад

South Africa is not a constitutional republic.

@rayhanes1347 4 года назад

That's hard to believe. I thought u guys allowed conceal carry. That FAL will do just fine tho

@taproom113 3 года назад

Viva Rhodesia ! ^v^

@barryhay2024 3 года назад

@@taproom113 viva Rhodesia indeed! 💪🙏

@madkelt7679 5 лет назад

I've been running an SKS 7.62x39. got it for next to nothing, and being broke, it worked. All my "guys" now run 5.56. Odd man out, in more ways than one. And the "duckbill" mags, well..... We had the commonality of caliber conversation. Made a deal with a Brother for one of his "extra" guns in 5.56 so we're all on the same page now. I'm keeping the SKS, 1000 rds and load out for "someone who might show up".

@ogghostprepper9138 5 лет назад

AR15 platform in Canada is under lrgal restrictions. Easier and cheaper to train up here with Combloc arms and ammo. And SKS can be had for $250, and 1500 rounds of Commie surplus ammo can be had for $300. So for the price of an AR15 in the USA we have a rifle and a pissload of ammo... And yes, we still train with the Mattel (🤣) rifles, but only frequently enough to stay fresh. The Combloc stuff is our bread and butter. We are also a nation of game hunters, and you'd be hard pressed to find a Canadian country boy who can't cloverleaf with his rifle of choice at whatever range he has to. Shotguns? Weeooo! We also shotgun like we were born with em in our paws.

@preppinainteasy9965 5 лет назад

@bali song I dont agree i have many friends pro 2nd and would go at a drop of a hat because they dont have an ar..or ak they should be dumped...I leave noone behind...SHTF 55.6 9mm 308 precision...will be going for OW purpose And probably An old 870 WM...all the most common rounds in the us 9mm #1 and to ask if I can carry all of that....haha..no problem..I'm 6'6 265 I have carried twice that for days....and I have spent over 80 hrs in one spot.....no movement....

@abc4781 4 года назад

@bali song that's a pretty short sided point of view Imo, because of the simple fact that if you have weapons reseved for friends that you truly trust, you're survivability increases due to having more allies that are armed.

@jeffreyg8275 4 года назад

You have a good fighting rifle

@Dingdongwitchisdead Год назад

I bought one at a pawn shop off post in the early 90’s for like $199. They had a bunch and I wish I had bought more. It was my favorite rifle for a lot of years. Those old iron sights were made just for me.

@d.l.hemmingway3758 5 лет назад

The other nice thing about 5.56x45 mm is that it doesn't matter if you don't have billions of cartridges for your rifle as you will be more likely to get that cartridge after any engagement you survive. If you don't survive it won't matter.

@Josh7.62x39 Год назад

thats facts no matter how many rounds you have before engagement all that matters is how fast you can get more via scavenging

@oldocsimms7411 5 лет назад

Personal preference vs what is realistic, go with availability and commonality it makes sense and pay attention to why the infantry goes with light weight. Ounces equals pounds, pounds equal pain. Good points made.

@raulgonzales1374 4 года назад

Humping heavy loads is pounds equal pain and constant pain at that.

@shewturgames 5 лет назад

“Put your pee pees away. We don’t need to keep measuring. Okay?” (7:25) Best line I’ve heard in a while!

@jonnyboy7628 5 лет назад

I definitely laughed out loud after he said that hahaha

@joelw.1461 5 лет назад

5.56 for moving around and 7.62X51 for stationary.

@michaelw.urbansr.8617 5 лет назад

I would go with .308s since they are still more common then the 7.62x51 for long range and the most chosen round for long range combat rounds is the .308.Iv choose a 6.5Creedmoor for my long range cover rifle.

@johnpoole8321 5 лет назад

@Emanuel 1988 it's certainly not out of my way. i been hunting with a 308 browning A bolt since mid 80's but still bought the 556 for reasons explained by bear. 600 rds is easily carried in my belt pack

@jay8557 5 лет назад

It's the other way around. 308 is rated higher pressure then 7.62×51. You can use the 7.62×51 in a 308, but not recommended to use a 308 in a 7.62×51. Just helpin ya out, so you don't blow your fingers out.

@thedodob1rd 5 лет назад

@Guilford News Network I believe it's the other way around.

@thedodob1rd 5 лет назад

@Guilford News Network hmm. I thought you could handload hotter with 308

@markbennettjr 5 лет назад

Turning cover into oncealment with a 308 is not BS. A simple experiment of shooting concrete blocks (the number one building material in my area) will show the 308 will penetrate both sides and still have enough energy to kill. Yet the 5.56 and x39 stop after the first line of concrete, and don't exit the block.

@Seedavis397 11 месяцев назад

@kevinhart46good pout 😂 someone loves their .308….. great caliber if you know everyone your gonna be fighting has a fortnite cinder wall moving in front of them at all times.

@RotRot-jn9vk 6 месяцев назад

I don’t know what you’ve been seeing but x39 CHEWS up concrete. Knew some guys from Finland that had no problem pushing that round through trees with kills.

@royorkesjr.8386 Месяц назад

I agree the 308 is no joke

@Diaszurana 2 года назад

All accurate points. Personally, my SHTF is my AR10. True, the ammo is heavier and therefore less can be carried. But, at distance it is quite a bit more devastating than 5.56.

@toddboone333 Год назад

Comes down to what state you live in.

@Язепс Год назад

If Alaska :)

@jonnhyappleseed7498 Год назад

@@toddboone333Im rocking the 308 M5E1 16" AR 10 in Sf Ca.

@JohnDoe-zg6fn 11 месяцев назад

Also better at defeating barriers.

@brown_tamales1102 10 месяцев назад

@@jonnhyappleseed7498Just order the upper. Can’t wait to for my M5E1 built

@mhfitbody6249 5 лет назад

Agreed, 5.56 is the best option for SHTF/Militia/MAG, etc.... The others have their time, but all in all 5.56 is the best call for all around use.

@dogbugler 5 лет назад

Say hey, Bear, we would like to thank you again for the fantastic content you produce. You have been spot on with all your wisdom and life experiences you share with us all. Awhile back you talked about the green tip ammo. I have been slowing stocking up on these and they do perform rather well stopping the pig meat. I received another 120 rnd box from ammunition depot. Got to go now, the hospital my wife worked at for 28 years is celebrating her retirement with a giant party. We love you man, Shalom sir, bee well. Regards, dog bugler

@BearIndependent 5 лет назад

Love y'all too, Dog Bugler. Have a great party!

@t.m.h.7962 3 года назад

When I was in Vietnam I was the guy who carried an M-14. Yes ammo heavier. Everything else more weight. But when I shot something it stayed shot, an with only shot. Also wore a flack jacket from 1952(heavy/had plates). I was 6'2" then 215 lbs. then, a little more now. Yeah wasn't the best vacation I have ever had, but I'm still here, had few holes, but here. I know what your saying about ammo, biggest thing can the dip behind the trigger hit anything and constantly? I have respect for the AK47, that said I have a few akm's myself. good rifle. still say it's the man behind the trigger. Oh I had an M1A(semi) m-14 and a FNFAL sweet, hit anything but I'm too old to use them and in my condition I have too stick to smaller/less recoil now. Each to his own Semper Fi

@KMDeur 5 лет назад

.22LR....just sayin' for bugging out. It will keep heads down and 500 rounds weighs nothing. You ain't fighting with it, just for defense and the occasional small game that walks out in front of you.

@markbennettjr 5 лет назад

If you want in excess of 1000 foot pounds of muzzle energy past 100 yards, not have to worry about wind & rain as much at 200+...308 is the way to go for HOMESTEAD GUN.

@MrToad-actual 5 лет назад

I for one choose 7.62x51 in my M1A's. Thats what i love, am used to and train with. I do have a AR in 5.56x45 to keep commonality with others and to know the wepon. 👍 good vid man, solid opinion.

@Bassdaddy-so1if 4 года назад

Bear I love your channel man, I've been a subscriber for a while now. Your channel is so underrated. You should have like 400,000 subs. You deserve them! Have a blessed day.

@griffinbrown5056 5 лет назад

i built an AR in 7.62x39. its about 9.5 pounds. It works for me, as I am 6'3" 205lbs. Plus I was a SAW gunner when I was in the service...so now any gun less than 15 lbs feels like a toy lol

@InYeshuasHolyName 5 лет назад

💯😎🦂

@jay8557 5 лет назад

You make a good point. Some of us, can carry a much larger gun, carry heavier packs, and more ammo, sometimes even further, then the average 5.56 carrying patriots. Maybe this is why, most outfits, have a variety of heavy guns, along with light guns. Different weapons, for different mission. Mission specific!

@tytly-ro7vt 5 лет назад

Hey what’s your opinion on 7.62x39 on an AR platform. Ammo is cheap, I realize it doesn’t have the accuracy at range but it’s a hard hitting round and is more accurate out of an AR and gets you to the range you need for shtf. Let me know your opinion

@sword-and-shield 4 года назад

Exactly ...leave the big toys to the big boy's....or just keep heaving the big toy and make yourself a big boy.

@joehayward2631 4 года назад

I love my AR47 7.62x39 round rifle, I figure I have best of both. The 5.56 and 7.62x51 i also have both of those ARs

@livewiretennis 5 лет назад

100% agreement....spend 10 hours training / moving and shooting in full kit and you will be glad you have 5.56. Make sure you have a great sling

@VikingPreparedness 5 лет назад

I am holding out for a resurgence of 7mm Mauser...

@BearIndependent 5 лет назад

rack that bolt, PJ!

@fromthebottomup3106 5 лет назад

I got two ammo cans full of 8mm mauser for my old Swedish 8mm bolt gun and to boot they are all on stripper clips...yay for the home team....lol

@buckeyebandit89 5 лет назад

those strippers are almost as much as the ammo @@fromthebottomup3106

@markchase5323 5 лет назад

I was going to tout the -06 but to be in the same time frame, I'll go with the 6.5X55mm developed in the Viking homelands of Sweden and Norway. The Creedmore is still not as versatile and the Creedmore goes in a short action. Besides, you know the women will talk, if they find out a man has a short action.

@pop401k 5 лет назад

Half the world used it, back in the day. The other half used 6.5, with a few exceptions.

@seanburrows6949 5 лет назад

You make valid points for combat situations. I think having a 12ga. Single shot and a good 22lr. In their inventory would be great. Both are affordable guns and ammo is cheap and abundant. You can hunt a lot of small game with 22 without making a lot of noise and attracting people to your location. The 12ga. Offers a variety of loads to hunt almost anything and their are very few moving parts in a single shot which lessons the chance of something going wrong with it.

@nedflanders9045 Год назад

I have killed hogs with a.22lr shot it behind the ear and it was less than 30 yards

@snake316171 5 лет назад

I've always had the philosophy of whatever the common caliber used by Gov police or military. Should be the standard. Thanks again for the vid Bear.

@jonnhyappleseed7498 Год назад

Ahh... so... 9mm , 40cal, 45acp, 6.8 grendal, 5.56 nato, 7.62x51 nato... do you see the problem with tryna keep up with the robinsons?

@djcoopes7569 5 лет назад

"If you're the AR guy on your team" then get an AR chambered in 7.62 "If you're the AK guy on your team" then get an AK chambered in 5.56

@abc4781 4 года назад

Lol that seems kinda redundant don't you think?

@Prometheus7272 4 года назад

@@abc4781 I dont think he means both at the same time, he means each for individual cases where your the odd one out.

@bentrishaleemartin926 4 года назад

😂😂😂😂

@TheMrwhite6199 2 года назад

AR lower with 7.62 upper and 5.56 upper

@corpsefather7914 3 года назад

I try to think practically, if ever we were invaded, the invaders would most likely be carrying 7.62 x 39, and big 5 won’t be open, so having something that chambers the same round might come in handy.

@edwardwells5864 5 лет назад

As a 21 year Weapons Tech military vet thats been on 2 way ranges, great video and great words of wisdom and I definitely share your opinion on this subject in no uncertain terms! Way to keep it real Brother!

@thetacticalparadigm5331 5 лет назад

I am running the AR platform 223/ 5.56 . That being said my concealed carry has been 10mm in my Glock G29. If there comes a time to patrol or have a higher capacity than 10+1 I would be running 9mm if I was geared up. Great topic, and God Bless.

@djay6651 4 года назад

For primary, I'd say 5.56/9mm due to commonality, 7.62x51mm for secondary.

@mkshffr4936 3 месяца назад

I am thinking along different lines. Disclaimer: This is just my layman's perspective. In a collapse going Rambo is not a long term strategy for most people (special forces guys excepted). The best strategy for most is going to be to disappear and avoid groups of roving trouble makers. So what helps one to do that? I see two major assets. The first is the knowledge and skills to make improvised weapons (spears, bows, crossbows, throwing weapons...) and traps. The second is a light simple to maintain 22LR platform and gobs of assorted ammo. By simple to maintain I mean something without removable magaInes to lose or damage and manual action. Bolt, lever, or even single shot are options. 22 short, long, and long rifle are all capable of stealthy anti-personnel use while most small game can be taken with the even quieter and lighter CB caps. But what about a band of armed baddies you may ask. Well chances of coming out of that encounter without serious injury is remote even armed with a military rifle. Avoidance is critical. Now if your approach is to form your own roving band then arming like a Marine unit makes sense but for most of us I don't think that is going to be a practical or effective plan.

@NCWoodlandRoamer 5 лет назад

7.62x39 is one of the top ten selling calibers I the US. I believe there is way more of it out there than people think.

@darrinfrench9018 4 года назад

World wide, the most common fighting battle cartridges is 5.56, 7.62 x39, 7.62 x 51 Get all three

@kenkaufman9998 5 лет назад

Great Video. I've always been a .308x51 guy. But as you rightly point out philosophy of use. I am running a Ruger SR762, which weighs maybe 2 pounds more than my AR. I just prefer that. It is also better at distance, but as you show, it not better under 250 yards. In our group, we have all 3 platforms in many different flavors. It is really not worth arguing about. Heck, we are lucky to just agree on those 3 calibers. And handguns is another argument. Half our group wants 9mm and quarter each 10mm, 45 APC... Carry what you want.

@timmyburch9126 2 года назад

The hell is .308x51?

@P90XGetRipped 4 года назад

.22 LR is the the best SHTF round due to the fact that you can carry a huge quantity of ammo

@keiththom2240 5 лет назад

If your running a ras47 in SHTF you may as well put it to you head and pull the trigger (though there’s a good chance it wouldn’t fire). I love my ARs, but I REALLY love my AKs, and I’ve never had one I love more then the arsenal Sam7sf. That being said I also have ak74s and plenty of stockpiled ammo for if I need something that shoots flat at longer distances.

@johnganshow5536 5 лет назад

Depends on your training and skill set. Carlos Hathcock did just fine with a bolt action 30-06...

@adamschmidt3991 4 года назад

Those were dang good points. A lot of people get so caught up in accuracy, reliability, and effectiveness of the round, and both the ar and ak seem to be so close in those regards that most people chalk it up to personal preference. This is the first video I’ve seen talking about integrating into a fire team of likeminded individuals and how having the same mags, ammo, and spare parts are important. I have several ars and aks and several thousand rounds of both calibers as well as a high level of training on both platforms so I was having a hard time making up my mind on which i would grab if I had to pick. This helped me make up my mind. Good points, man.

@dn88s Год назад

I use a 308 just in general. If you were in a situation like you describe and you survived lone enough to fire a couple magazines of .308 then youll have a 5.56 or several along with ammunition if you want them. Carrying a heavier rifle is not a fantasy. In the real military people patrol with a m240. People have patrolled with 12 lb rifles from the brown bess to the m14.

@joshschmidt8847 3 года назад

Good points. My solution, both. Ar15 and ar10. One for general use and the other for large game, reaching out farther, or someone in body armor about to torch your place

@ltrbuhq 5 лет назад

Depends where your at. Mountains and open terrain here, I like the range of my m1a.

@MrJbuddrow 5 лет назад

With magazines that you're going to be designating for your AR team(s) or AK team(s) as spares, have them run those magazines in their rifles to make sure there will be no malfunctions. Just make sure that they're feeding and chambering properly. We train for weapons malfunctions and stoppages in the event that they do happen and they will, but help yourself as well as others mitigate that issue and inspect and test your gear. This should be done with any gear that you're willing to lend out.

@MercyMinister 4 года назад

Thank you for a good review. FWIW, I walk 5.56 in my ARs, I used to walk 7.62, but no one else had them. So, to be smart about it, I went exclusively to 5.56. Your argument in favor of this is well-founded. All squad members should be armed with the same cartridge.

@tinnyblacksmith3434 4 года назад

I have two rigs one is built around 55.6 and another around 7.62 308 one is my dmr the other is my squad kit

@bearly1727 4 года назад

The military is going to quit using the 5.56/.223 and will be moving to the 6.8mm Remington. You better have ammo for the rifle you carry.

@amfearliathmor8213 4 года назад

5.56 (500m effective range) and 7.62x39mm (350m effective range) are essentially outdated with today's polymer ceramic ballistic armour and modern optics (even the latest HD TV camera sights from ATN with their X-sight 4K have ballistic computer calculator compensators and integrated Laser range finders or can be used in complete darkness if commercial Pulsar thermal scope sights are used). 7.62x51 (900m effective range) is the way to go. This is why in Afghanistan US Marine squads were able to be pinned down by WW1 Lee Enfield 303s bolt action rifles with iron sights and needed to call in air strikes and why the British Army had to rush in 7.62x51 designated squad marksman rifles. (which sort of negates the arguments presented here) Modern optics are a game changer.

@donwest600 4 года назад

In regard to the 308/ 7.62nato only disadvantage I see is cost of ammo, If you think a 30 cal is to heavy for patrols you just need to man up a bit. The M1, M14, BAR were carried on patrols, I carried an M60 and a few belts of ammo on patrols for more miles than I can count and never once did it occur to me it weighed too much. There is something to be said for all teams member to carry same equipment in the same manner, But having a heavy weapon in a team/ squad can have some real advantages.

@mikesimpson7748 5 лет назад

Unless you are part of a militia that trains together, you are going to run what you bring. Personally .308 is the round.

@capcloud652 2 года назад

IMO the 7.62x39 AK has a particular use .If post unfortunate reality .Bigger game like deer we’re not hunted out or irradiated .The fact is hunting will increase the risk of your exposure to people behaving badly. If that unfortunate situation arose.The AK provides good continuity of fire quick follow up shots to deal with one or even multiple predators in such a situation .All while still maintaining a modest load out weight ( unlike the 7.62 NATO ) and still providing a proven round for deer .

@kevinpalmer4595 2 года назад

Hard to use those 3 rounds when searching for meat to put on the table such as a Squirrel or a Rabbit...I prefer a 12gauge with choice of 00 slugs, #4 or #8 bird shot..

@bluevorteck177 4 года назад

The "Best" caliber or round is I think the one that you are good at shooting . I have a few AR's and a mini 14 both in 223/556 and can shoot both good , but would not put down the idea of using 22lr as an option , Seen people using 22lr shooting tic tacs at 100 yds , Practice with what you got and can afford , and remember when SHTF you are not going out looking for a fight but will be ready to defend and survive.

@GrySgtBubba 5 лет назад

Eh, I'ma 762 NATO guy personally. I'm the crazy douche lugging around (literally) 160-180 rounds of 762 in my M1A Scout Squad. Lol BUUUT, I've also got a purpose built rifle too! 18in M1A, SAI synthetic stock, short rail I mounted under the forend for an RVG and TLR-1, bipod lug for my short Harris bulipod in my ruck pack, Arms 18 mount with Primary Arms 1-8x24 LPVO. My entire loadout good for 3 days is around 55+lbs. I use the 1-8x so I have that ability to engage from 5yrds and zoom up to 8x for those long engagements as I'll be providing overwatch when needed. But still retain the full capability to handle targets at room distance. I'm primarily the DM, but need that versatility. And YES, I do train with my setup. I run n gun with it as often as I can. Does it fuckin suck? Hell it fuckin sucks! But it's worth it. Weight vs capability and I've tried my best to meet somewhat in the middle; slight sided capability > weight. If it was the all-out zombie apocalypse where I'm on foot for weeks or months...I wouldn't be choosing this setup. For a WROL SHTF where I'm ina group of "operators" on patrol for a few days and then back inside the wire, it works for those crazy enough to do it Lol Havin your guys carry one mag for you and you carry one mag each for them is sumpin I need to incorporate. Another 5-7lbs is doable when life is at stake! Edit: finally able to up my ammo cap to 290rnds. HEAVY, but will get used to it or die trying Lol

@hacksskillsmods8916 5 лет назад

Hey Bear, sounds like solid advice. When ALL the category's of: reliability, longevity, ammo availability, parts availability, Mag availability, standardization, battle proven, cost of all of these and portability are considered for rifle and pistol, AR or AK and Glock or 1911 are the four to choose from for prepping. None are unworthy but some do suit some people and not others. Pick one of each and train with it till you wear it out and regardless of which combination you choose you will be better off than people that spend there time arguing about what someone else spent there money on. I saw a guy hit a 16oz soda bottle at 100 yards with a 44 magnum revolver that didn't even have a rear site on it. TRAIN!

@ashtonwilliams3330 4 года назад

223/5.56 for moving around an patrolling. 308/7.62x51 is more for stationary position defending type situations.

@redhoward11 2 года назад

Would be awesome to see you develop bug in strategies for sub urban environment. I live in a sparsely populated mostly conservative town for example. Many hunters and gun owners around me.

@RepentorPerish77 5 лет назад

.300 black out...my Sig MCX in .300 BO is a fantastic rifle..150 grain 30 caliber bullet with less recoil than 7.62x39...but if I had to choose in SHTF I’m taking my Daniel Defense AR in .556...300 BO just not common enough

@MidwestPrepper 5 лет назад

On the topic of 308 - I'm not ex military so take thisfor what its worth, however I am from a long line of hillbillies so I know a bit more about the outdoors than my khakis let on. I love my 308 SCAR 17. Love it. I love shooting it. I love my Tavor X95 as well. Even I, with my lack of military background, would NEVER grab either one over my vanilla AR if SHTF and I gotta run or do something quick. It just doesn't make sense unless I'm alone high on a hilltop or hunkered in my house, and in both cases(at least in the house) Id still have the AR with me. Gotta go for the compatibility of spare parts and rounds. Not as many people are running SCARs and even fewer X95s. As usual, you make nothing but sense.

@BearIndependent 5 лет назад

you're hitting the nail on the head.

@russianbot1797 5 лет назад

You guys act like you're going to be running and gunning when shtf. The real survivors will be the ones with a bolt gun sitting back watching and observing while staying out of the fight. Get a Good bolt gun and learn to use your sidearm within 30 yards proficiently while staying away from people. In shtf there will be no doctors so it doesnt matter what caliber you get hit with you'll more than likely die from infection, so the people that hide out survive simple.

@buckeyebandit89 5 лет назад

I must be one of the OLD guy's , you forgot the M1D Garand , love your stuff Brother !!

@garypease7414 5 лет назад

There are so many various opinions on this, but for once, I wholeheartedly agree. I'm teaching my son how to do overwatch, and training the kids in patrol and some defensive tactics. You really can't start too young.

@mrdark9916 4 года назад

You need to standardize your loadout bud lol i notice it every time. Find a round you like, sight in for that round, and carry that round in your loadout. And if you want to remember U/D clicks on your optic for cheap steel then just do that and click back at the end of the range session, confirm zero and be on your way. You can be all over in terms of Point of impact at various ranges shooting 5 different types of ammo, especially when your going all over in projectile weight as well. "pretty close" is no confirmed zero. You know what im saying, im sure! Good content brother, keep it up.

@vincedunn9983 5 лет назад

5.56 vs 7.63x vs 7.63x = Light penetration vs hard hitter x 2. All it comes down to. Like going hunting deer with a .22lr vs the .308. Which is gonna get the job done right the first shot?.

@billjensen6216 Год назад

I have the 556/223, 7.62x39, 300 blackout 22 cal and 17 hmr, and 6.5 grendel. The others in my group also have the same calibers. All are in the AR 15 platform. The reason for the 300 blackout is that everything except the barrel is interchangeable with the 556/223. The 300 has the same basic bolistics of the 7.62x39 AR without needing different mags, Bolt, BCG, barrel, and almost completely different parts setup. Yes, the ammo is more expensive for the 300 blackout. However, it is currently easier to find than the 7.62x39 ammo. Also, the ability to run sub sonic ammo and supper sonic ammo from the same firearm. Yes, the 556/223 does have less bullet drop past 300 yards than the 7.62x39 and 300 blackout. Shot placement is a must with all ammo.

@Smiling_mike 4 года назад

Yeah buddy ! Love my Patrol 7.62 x51 mm bolt rifle. Backup is my 270 M77 Ruger 1983 rifle. Thanks Bear! I’m on our Rancho, bugging in @ my “eagles nest” eye in the sky.

@constitutionalrepublican1611 5 лет назад

I like them all, but I prefer the 30-06 and the 300blk.

@constitutionalrepublican1611 5 лет назад

@Judge Jury Executioner Rutherford ive got a good stash. I'm not worried about it.

@MaidenRockCoder 5 лет назад

@@constitutionalrepublican1611 Yep! Also? Nice knowing that a 500-900yd shot is possible. :) . (Yeah...yeah... "1,000 yard" is possible)

@constitutionalrepublican1611 5 лет назад

@@MaidenRockCoder oh easily without a problem.

@constitutionalrepublican1611 4 года назад

@@UserBeenBanned indeed

@Browncoat-gc6nc 3 года назад

Ew lol jk you run what you know that's the best caliber

@robertvondarth1730 5 лет назад

Rifles are like golf clubs. Its a goldilocks problem, urban / suburban distances and cover may be more suited to 762x

@carolsman7 5 лет назад

I agree with your assessment. However there is a "newish" 308 that is 6.81 pounds (obviously without any optics/accessories). The POF Revolution DI. Costs a pretty coin though.

@IAM-o7o Год назад

And it recoils like an ar15.

@mrwalnuts79 5 лет назад

I feel if you own a 556/223 and have 9mm side arm or whatever, you’re one step closer to being successful in North America when the balloon goes up. Common, common, common. Think but don’t over think. I was educated with K.I.S.S. Keep it simple stupid. It works. 👍

@shaolinwarriormark 5 лет назад

And 12 gauge buckshot,slugs too.

@richgiggle99 4 года назад

If u add 7.62x39 then u should add 300 blackout also because it's a damn good 30 cal round.

@HoofPrintsDR Год назад

The best caliber is the one you have at the time and you can handle, but 7.62x51 handles everything!!!

@TheNocturnalEvil Год назад

To be honest, the best SHTF caliber will be 6.5 Grendel. It has greater effective range than 5.56x45mm NATO but it's lightweight compared to .308 Winchester. The only thing holding it back is that it's not as readily available as 5.56x45mm NATO.

@twitchprime8522 5 лет назад

Great video for the non-mil/never deployed type. Ounces = pounds, pounds = pain. Be a good teammate.

@theimmortal4718 4 года назад

The USMC uses M4s and 62 grain ammo. Not 20" barrels and 77 grain.

@steveUSMCpageNOTOLERANCE 5 лет назад

In Vietnam 1968-69-70 . That's the time I spent in country . I would not use the M16. It was a death trap. I carried the M14 for 28 mounts and lived. The ar15 platform now is 1000 % better than the m16 platform. Noted the ar is not a battle rifle. But it can be an ok platform. But to me the M14 is a proven battle rifle that would shoot every time and covered my brothers who had to unjam that dam m16. That rifle killed more marines to a very bad designed rifle.. semper fi

@scottbrooks288 5 лет назад

Semper Fi and welcome home brother!

@keithcronk7980 5 лет назад

steve USMC NO TOLERANCE BROTHER M16 WAS A PIECE OF SHIT. THE MF WAS DESIGN THAT WAY TO GET US KILLED. IT KILLED ALOT OF ARMY ALSO. ALOT OF US CARRIED SHOT GUNS. PEACE MY BROTHER. HAPPY THANKSGIVEN

@steveUSMCpageNOTOLERANCE 5 лет назад

The concession was 1000's of dead Marines and Army troops. I will never defend the M16. Powder??? Look at it wrong you died. I lived it. Did you?????.@Lone Wolf Prepper

@steveUSMCpageNOTOLERANCE 5 лет назад

@Lone Wolf Prepper Sorry , sore spot for me. Thanks and welcome home.. SEMPER FI

@pop401k 5 лет назад

Mine worked okay on semi, but the 3rd round jammed every time on auto... even the armory couldn't fix it.

@seadowg5515 5 лет назад

Disagree with you about the 7.62x39 . Buddy. Agree with just about everything else.

@shawnphipps8479 5 лет назад

Agreed with one very minor change. It is personal preferance, and also not one of the 3 caibers you listed. Even so I like 6.5 creedmoor over 308/7.62x51 in over watch. One rifle, rather than 2 that can hit at any range a 300 win mag can and my skill level allows. This caliber can be in a ar10 platform so you do not have rifle/mag/caliber switching and all the issues it brings. Yes I know many will disagree, but my preferences, my choice and my responsibility. Last thing, I also like to take walks, but i like to carry my 17 HMR, sidearm, and day pack if i'm going out just to shoot a few rounds and have a bit of fun. Carring weight is rally an issue once you have health issues and use a walking cane as a shooting stick.

@bradh6185 4 года назад

Interesting. I'm a bit new to the game. Researching to determine what my first rifle will be. I have pretty much decided to go with AR-15. Did some research on effectiveness of several different rounds. Then some research on price and availability and was leaning toward 5.56(with some green tips on hand). This video may have further solidified my choice. I feel very drawn to long range shots. I will be looking at some kind of long bolt-action with maybe some Grendels for that. But priorities- SHTF calls for AR first...and fast.

@Goldenwithaleash 5 лет назад

I have all 3 but if I had to choose one (god forbid) I would have to go AK in 7.62x39. Intermediate caliber like the 5.56 with greater medium/large game hunting capability. Much cheaper to stockpile than 7.62x51. With the Aimpoint my Arsenal 107FR is plenty accurate enough for anything I’d do with it.

@Masta_E 5 лет назад

I understand his argument and I understand yours. I love both and it would be a hard choice for me. Especially since I don't have a team. I don't get to share ammo and gear. Seattle is wild lol.

@lancelittleton9802 2 года назад

Same for me. One thing he didn't talk about is price. I can stockpile more x39 cheaper than 5.56 and therefore TRAIN more with this caliber. Plus living in Colorado if Sh*t really did hit the fan, I can also hunt medium game much better with it. Great video nonetheless

@northeastoutrider2124 5 лет назад

Roger that... Love my Sig716. Amazing and delivers tight grouping at 200Yrds every time. But it is heavy. As much as I’d like to arrive at each location with the 7.62x51, I’m not gonna carry it everywhere. But I have thought about building a 50 Beowulf...

@Usnveteranstacker 2 месяца назад

If you’re moving around with 5.56, how many rounds are you going to carry? 600? And the end of your first fire fight, you’re gonna use at least a quarter of that. By the time you start having to hunt for food you’re gonna have like 200 rounds. This is why I will carry 22lr. I can carry 6000 rounds for the same weight at 600 rounds of 556. By the time the person who is fighting you is out of ammo, I still have 2000 rounds. The weapon you have is only as effective as the amount of ammo you have

@MikeMikeActual 5 лет назад

Exactly!! In a SHTF scenario 7.62x39 will become nonexistent!! We'll practically be tripping over all of the 5.56 & .308 ammo!! Shit, even .22, 9mm, 12 gauge & 20 gauge will be far more plentiful then 7.62x39!!

@diogoazevedo8810 4 года назад

At what team size would you begin considering to have a 308 guy? Or woulld you rather have a 338 LP bolt guy for really long or really accurate ambushes?

@jakemalone7892 Год назад

7.62 NATO has proven more penetration than 308. I'm a g3 guy. Also have a Ruger PCC that takes Glock mags and carry a Glock 19. Pistol and close quarters rifle take the same mags and ammo so if I need to hit a shot farther than the pistol can handle I got it. But keep the G3 on the back if needed. 6'4 260 and carrying weight isn't much of an issue. Stand all day walk all day. Only need two types of mags. Both pretty common caliber

@scottzike1054 5 лет назад

There is a point that not many people have acknowledged that I have thrown out a couple of times .. getting shot in a non emt available world would become a serious nonstarter. I am not advocating everyone running around with 10/22's and SW kitguns .. but bullet wounds without availability of good quick medical assistance ((beyond most of your local ;team CLS (combat life saver) has available)) would magnify the issues of being shot.

@davidoberkirch644 4 года назад

Hotrod Dave here,if I were to be on the run,I would use an Ar,if I was needing to take a long range shot,then move to another location,my 308 win.the chickens love you.

@amineeliahiai3514 Год назад

I agree on the 308. I disagree on the 556. I wished you covered the 300 blackout…! Bottom line, I’ll take the 762x39 or the 300 blackout before I even think about the 556. Thank you…!

@jaredlavoie635 3 года назад

I’m sure you have more experience, but I would like to “slightly” change one aspect. A true “patrol rifle” I can agree should likely be a .223 for MOST people. But where I live. In such a rural area, I’m more than willing to take my AR10 that weighs 7.5 lbs around my property with wide open fields. I’ve always put it this way. 9mm for clearing my house, 5.56 for clearing my yard, 308 for clearing my property, 5.56 for clearing or bugging anything beyond.

@aurelius5534 Год назад

3:58 "when the balloon goes up" ladies and gentlemen that time is now

@dustin6828 5 лет назад

I like all of them but we have twenty thousand 9mm... I guess it comes to what you have is what one will use. I would keep the 556 and 762 for 300 yards out. Plenty accurate with 9mm under 300... plus there's tons of 9mm and it's cheap. Just me, but I have not been able to afford to stock otherwise. I spend my money on food.

@cutiepup5363 4 года назад

556 is the cockaroach in the US. You can’t get rid of them if you try,,, you keep finding em

@rickb5575 9 месяцев назад

Just found this and your comment about “buying your cool shit from the Tapco catalog” about made me spit my coffee out. So I’m subscribed now.

@earlwyss520 4 года назад

You've made some very valid points, but I bought an L-1A1 20 years ago for $500 00. While I'd love to purchase an A1 pattern AR, the L-1A1 is the only semiautomatic center fire rifle that I own, so in my case, I'm stuck bringing what I have. I may not be able to patrol with it, but I can stay and look after the base camp, and help improve the defense of it in the process. My lone issue is the choice of ammo. I saw a video a few months ago where someone compared the XM-193 to the M855, and the 1/12 A1 to the 1/7 A2. He found the XM-193 to be the most accurate of the two rounds out of both rifles. He also found that the M-855 keyholed out of the 1/12 barrel.

@mattdg1981 5 лет назад

556/223, 9mm, 308/7.62x51,22lr,12ga., 40s&w as a backup. 300 aac blk is becoming popular as well.

@stevent8314 Год назад

Great Video btw! Great points! You are a Warrior-Philosopher. If the enemy can fix your position, it is just a matter of time before he can destroy you. Fixed positions are suicide against an enemy with superior firepower.

@MrWilliewonka69 4 года назад

I feel my size and how i "train"(3gun and hunting) the 308 is fine for me. I have ran all day with my m1a mod 0 and yes it is heavy 100%. I also do not live in the city i am out in the country. But i do agree run the same round as your crew

@jeffvincent6772 4 года назад

I think you got it right the weight is very important when you're walking around. Lighter is so much better and more firepower more rounds

@nickyhustle 5 лет назад

I’m an AR-15 guy but I’m leaning towards an AR-10 cause of the distance you can put between yourself.

@pop401k 5 лет назад

I always figured that if your opponent is 300 yards out, it's just as well to avoid the fight, if you can.

@junkman2758 5 лет назад

Read to on Ammo and caliber. Over where I live the A.R. 10 will be the field as typical engagement distance is 300+ yards. The nearest tree for covering concealment is over 600 yards away. Got a love the great plains. Now for a bug-out I have a little different view than you. I am all about 2 guns one round. Pistol and Carbine matched caliber matched magazine. I myself like 9MM Glock for the same reasons you stated for 556.

@jamesdistler7067 2 года назад

I was issued an M16 in Vietnam and it's jammed on me 2 times it old M16 without a chrome lined chamber.I took it to the supply seargent in base camp and complained. They gave an M60 and if I kept in clean and get the ammo clean it always worked.It penetrated much better in the brush and small trees.It was to heavy though with ammo.I cared a lot of ammo.and insufferable now with knees and back.But made my Recon guys safe and alive.

@johnboy2251 5 лет назад

Don't you carry a .45? Could carry more ammo with a smaller still capable round. Just giving you a hard time.

@jacobcastro1885 4 года назад

A wise old timer told a group of us once: "When the balloon goes up, everybody with a commie AK is getting shot". (The look on the face of the one AK guy... well let's just say he had a look of terrified revelation.)

@andrewgates8158 2 года назад

AK man should have had a plan to eliminate the guy you were quoting.

@markpaolino5908 4 года назад

I could not agree more and being arty, I did not even have the problem of luging everything on my back. You may have heard us say; “If you can’t truck it f__k it”. For your Over watch & game check out the POF Revolution DI. They down sized the whole bolt carrier group, so it comes in at a dry weight of 6.8 lbs. not bad for a 7.62.

@Condor1970 3 года назад

6.8spc. Stock up and learn to reload for $0.30/rd. You can still hunt and fight with 30-40% more energy than 556 NATO, yet not as heavy as 308. However, if you have to bug out, the chance of ever finding ammo for anything (556 or otherwise) when SHTF is pretty slim. Choose pretty much whatever caliber works for you best. I own both, but if I can only have one, probably the 6.8spc just in case I ever have to haul out and do a lot of hiking in the mountains. Love the 308 though.