THE BEST STRINGS - How They Compare | ReString and Toroline 

Thanks for watching! Absolute seems fine but I don't get impressive snapback from it. I think wasabi x and wasabi are very special strings especially if you care about spin and durability. Anything else they offer will be second to those but ether and Supertoro are solid honorable mentions. Supertoro snapback is actually similar but somehow breaks sooner. Ether lasts decently long.

Thank you for sharing your experience!

Yeah it's definitely worth a try. I lose all snapback in a few minutes of hitting with multi or syngut. They appear to have good snapback right after stringing but it's just a coating that wears off fast. Hopefully it offers you what you want in that combo. Do try!

I'd say wasabi is a bit higher power. I'd try wasabi and or the wasabi x in crosses with that! Or zero and Wasabi x. I always suggest zero a little lower in tension. I find it to be low medium power but some have said higher... Guess it's subjective slightly somehow but I said what I said haha.

Nice! I like that MP quite a lot and the only thing I wanted more of from it was a bit more spin. I love hybrids because you can get the string you want in the mains for bite/spin but get crosses for feel. And luckily crosses exist now that compliment the spin and not ruin it. Zero by ReString mains and Sync crosses or Wasabi X crosses would be a great start. You can also try Ether from Toroline with Wasabi X crosses if you want a thinner main. But Zero/Sync will definitely offer the best tension maintenance over pretty much any other option I can imagine. Spin should still be among the best. Lmk how it compares for you to confidential if you try it. Zero in full bed is great but I think Zero and Sync is a bit better. I haven't used a full bed of shaped strings in a long time. I see no reason to.

Hello! I was mid to high 50s with the SX tour and around the high 30s with the CX 200 tour.

Interesting! I think you're on the money with the ideas you had. Zero might give you a little more power but Wasabi X will be less destructive to crosses and probably more comfortable. Among the polyester options, I do think Wasabi X would be among some of the best to try. ENSO might also offer you quite a bit of power in that round shape that is not destructive and offers a lot of spin. Both should offer way more snapback than pretty much any.

Oh, interesting. That's a really tough choice. If it's not too late, I'd highly suggest getting a cross string like wasabi x or sync Zero plays a bit stiffer. It's tricky to suggest one over the other in a full bed but I'd likely suggest a hybrid with the cross strings mentioned over either in a full bed. What tension do you usually do?

@@time410s thank you! 50 lbs with yonex poly tour rev with 17 Ga, if I string full bed what’s besser Zero or Wasabi? I have a pure strike from 2017 with 67 stiffness , I am not a big fan for hybrid , I'm worried that I'll lose spin potential because of sync and 18x20 string pattern, which synthetic do you recommend ?

Can't really suggest a synthetic, it would definitely lose more spin than sync. Sync is one of the best spin crosses. It might get beaten out by wasabi x but only barely. I guess zero if you want more tension hold over time but I think 50 would feel quite tight. Wasabi plays looser and softer.

Awesome! It is an easier string to keep straight while stringing but also in general, it just doesn't stick out of place like a typical string and that is one of the coolest things! Yes, I totally would. That is the perfect kind of racket for this string. I really enjoyed it on the Shift Pro and I know I would on the Shift 99, which I've hit plenty with but never used Zero in.

It's been a while! I feel this dead stiffness from alu power. Hard to compare. Zero had a more crisp stiffness if that makes sense. If you try and have findings of your own please let me know. I left alu power behind a long time ago because it broke so fast for me and was quite expensive haha. Funny enough I think the last time I used it was in the crosses with zero. Zero broke faster because of the increased friction from alu power. I forget why I did that. I think I ran out of string or wanted to use up my alu power...

Very cool! I would suggest you can try at the same tension or just a few lbs lower! Since it holds so well. ReString also just announced a new string that is very worthy of being in a hybrid (with zero as the mains) if you ever get curious. Let me know how that goes for you!

They're working on availability out there and hope to achieve it, affordably, by the end of year!

Very nice! We will have a very similar setup haha. I use Zero and Wasabi pretty interchangably. Either are super good in the PA98. Let me know how it goes!

@@time410s nice, will do. Hyper G makes me feel how firm the racket is at times so I’m hoping the toroline will be a bit more forgiving

The hybrid of Wasabi X in the cross certainly should make that the case. You may or may not feel that way with Wasabi standard. Feel free to lmk!

Nice. Hmmm. Zero....ether could be cool. Or honestly you could mess around with Sync for crosses or wasabi x.

Lose too much what? In general? Possibly ZERO. It's often compared to confidential as a reference string and many think it's a solid comparison but it's going to vary from person to person. But if you want softer, I highly suggest Wasabi X with Zero mains. You could try Wasabi Pro as well. That might even be a little softer than Zero/Wasabi X or just Wasabi. Softest combo being Wasabi/Wasabi X. Closest combo being Zero full bed. string a few lbs lower.

@@time410s yeah I meant the control and consistency of confidential. Seems like zero will be my best choice. Thanks

Nice then yes, I think so!

I generally go up about 2lbs with Wasabi X if Zero is in the mains. I actually tend to do this anyway but especially with Zero. I did it 3lbs higher the other day when I used 16g Zero for mains and Wasabi X. Kind of depends on the racquet but I would at least say that I'll probably never go lower than the same tension as mains and I'm more likely to go a little higher, depending on things...

@@time410sthanks. What drives your decision about how many pounds higher to go on the crosses? Is it the launch angle, tension drop difference after a few hits, pocketing/dwell time, or something else?

well I believe Zero will hold tension better so I string Wasabi X a little higher partly for that reason. It's also a little thinner/softer. Those are the driving reasons in that setup. It's mostly about evening out any differences than it is anything else. Some rackets have really tightly spaced mains and open crosses (the shift pro is a good example) and on that one, I might be tempted to go higher on the crosses. Some dunlops are the opposite, in which case I might go same or lower on crosses. It really depends. Some of it's an impulse thing and some of it is a matter of getting ot know the racket. Some people do it because they think the crosses need more tension to overcome the friction of weaving it through the mains. I find my strings of choice have much less friction than other strings, so do people also consider how much string to string friction there is between different strings? Because it won't all be the same. Some go lower because they think that pulling tension on the crosses increases the tension on the mains. It's such a rabbit hole. I could go on haha. There are several common reasons but none of them, in my opinion, are super informed but they do come from a logical place but can often be challenged or dismissed pretty easily with more logic or data. Some go lower on crosses because the distance is shorter, so they think the relative tension should be lower. However, many don't realize that the relative tension IS lower because it has to overcome that friction... People's reasons vary a lot but I have my own reaons and they are somewhat informed and rational haha. But if you're serious about getting things just right, it will be a trail and error thing with each racket, string, tension, technique, hybrid....etc. But you get a feel for things as you go along and now that I don't mess around with other strings, really, the variations are pretty minimal on my end.

Ha, I like how this "no hybrids" question comes up a lot. It's tough because with hybrids, I feel I have to make no compromises. I can select for exactly what I want in a bed by splitting the differences but this forces me to make some sacrifices that are ultimately frustrating. Zero 17g would be up there, as would Sync. They would be pretty matched in tension hold but Zero would win out in spin and Sync in feel/control. Neither by a huge margin. I might prefer how Zero plays but prefer the feel of Sync. I'd obviously prefer the hybrid of both. with Toroline...ether and toro toro come to mind, either as a full bed since I have to pick. I wouldn't hybrid those.

I have not but I have tried Caviar a few times and while it's a solid string, it comes with a noticable trade-off in snapback/topspin/durability for me. So it's not worth the sacrifice in my case and using it as a cross will eat into the snapback of Wasabi and it makes me less interested.

How's the snapback? I think I have gave a set still

@@time410s It was good after stringing (22kg); now, 20h of playing or so later it's kinda lost. But the spin and power is still massive. I definitely don't think it's a perfect string, for me it fails on strokes where I can't adjust the swing path to avoid sending the ball too high such as my backhand, I don't consider them a keeper, but if your thing is that ultimate spin I sincerely doubt there's anything like it. It's like a beast that's hard to tame, that's why I haven't abandoned them although i'm on the verge on giving up on it.

I see. And you've compared it to options at the top of my spin list such as zero and wasabi or ether? If so then I might believe it is competitive and might test it out.

Hmm! Hard to say but I swear trying both is a great idea. Because they each represent the absolute best but with slightly different qualities. And even though I know what they are I'm still torn on picking a favorite haha. Maybe Zero if you want to see what it's like with a string that holds tension so well with snapback that doesn't fade over time. I'm sure your 2 weeks on zero will be better overall if not just better period. We'll see but I think it's worth a try. I'd try both and then if you have a favorite, try it with wasabi x in the crosses and see if you like it even more. That's my suggestion of how to go about it.

@@time410s I bought both and I will try them and share my thoughts. It''s just not many ppl talks about the razor code and do comparison with

True. Well, I look forward to your thoughts!

I use Wasabi X in the crosses very often now. Are you familiar? it's basically round wasabi. Perfect in the crosses.

Snapback is a very large contributor to topspin and a side effect happens to be great gains in durability as well I have no reason to use multi or so on. They break very soon for me and I get way less spin. Full bed or not... Zero chance it lasts me more than an hour or two. Full bed maybe less. You use an 18x20 which would buy me a little more time for me there's nothing to appreciate. Less spin and it breaks much sooner. Regular poly breaks for me in a few hitting sessions (until zero or wasabi was discovered) so imagine how much less multi would last. There's just nothing in it for me.

Ohh and always use it full bed of it

Haha ok glad you said so I thought you might be hybriding. Hmm...Zero can be very nice in that one! You could also do Ether. For some reason I'm inclined to suggest those over Wasabi but there's no good reason for that, just some intuition. Zero and Ether are a bit more crisp, perhaps that is why. I also think Wasabi X could be wonderful as a cross with either. I'd rather you do Zero in a full bed than Ether but Wasabi X with either main would be super nice. I hope you try it!

I use their 17g. Wasabi X is measured to be the same but it's visually more thin but the shape is different. I don't know how strings are measured. Like a shaped vs round string can't technically be the same thickness because the shaped will have the corner to corner length or side to side and that'll be less. 1.23, is the mm. It matters but it's not like that isn't the goal sometimes. I think going thicker in mains can be very clever! I just adjust with tension a bit.

Definitely the Wasabi X in crosses. I think comfort is great with either main (zero or wasabi) but perhaps wasabi would be more comfortable. Although when I use wasabi X in crosses it brings so much comfort that I have a hard time telling if the zero or wasabi with wasabi x is more comfortable. So, I'd say either way as long as wasabi x is in the crosses!

Hi,@@time410s So if I get the WASABI PRO HYBRID that will be comfortable and still good spin?

Oh yeah! I'd say same or slightly more spin than regular wasabi as a full bed and definitely a little more comfortable. Go up maybe 2lbs in crosses though. It's a softer string and slightly thinner despite the gauge size saying it's the same.

First I'm hearing of it. Looks interesting. Let me know how the snapback is. That's always key for me and without it you can't get the best spin and durability. Too bad they don't sell each individually. I guess neither the main or cross really have a name on their own and only come in this set.

So Wasabi X, if you didn't quite catch it, is a different string from Wasabi. It's the same string but round pretty much. So very slippery but smooth and as a cross that's ideal. Which is why I prefer Wasabi X to Wasabi or Zero in the crosses or as a full bed. Does that make sense? I'd do the same tension but do your crosses a couple lbs higher than you would what you did on the other setups.

If you mean wasabi and not wasabi x, I prefer it in the crosses because it's a little softer but you are right about the shape potentially meaning more spin but I think they perform close in spin and I'd prefer the softer string in crosses.

It depends on what you want to do. So for me it depends as well. Really racket and string dependent. So on my pure aero 98 I'll go mid '50s generally sometimes a little higher. I either do the crosses at the same tension as the mains or maybe 2 lb higher. This depends on which cross I'm using.

@@time410s Thank you for your response and also have been enjoying your videos. I'm currently using the Speed MP with multi-filaments but curious to try the polys. I've head a lot of reviewers advise against high tension with polys but I'm not sure whats considered high tension. I strung the multis at 55lbs. At the moment I'm learning to add more spin and proper technique is more important than the set up but I'd like to try the poly or hybrid so wondering what's a good tension to start with :) Again appreciate your videos and your reponse

@WhaChuGoNaDo nice! Thank you. Yes, the tension you'd use on a multi will likely feel bad on poly. Might consider 5-8lbs lower depending on your racket and gauge size. Highly suggest you don't try anything thicker than 17 gauge so stay between 17-18 gauge. Thinner will have a lighter feel and elasticity to the multi but still be different. I should make a video on this idea.

@@time410s Will be waiting on that video for sure. Appreciate your work!

Hey, welcome to tennis! I'd suggest trying around 52lbs and see how you feel about it. Give it a few hits or days before deciding. It also depends a bit on your stringer. If you take to a shop, different people might have different skill or technique and this can result in the same tension request actually feeling different. For now, try not to get too in your head about it but if you want to be really smart about it, try to have the same person string the second or third time and that way, you should only be getting a different tension and not a different person/techique/machine etc.

@@time410s Thank you

Hey, thank you! I will say right away that you might be surprised to see that both zero and wasabi seem to snapback equally well. They are both genuinely unreal with that snapback. Like, I don't even know if it's physically possible to get any better than those do so I wouldn't fret about shape affecting snapback on these strings. That being said, you'd probably find Zero to be more crips. You also might appreciate Ether! Ether is my new favorite (among my other favorites of course) and I'm getting to know supertoro as we speak so I can't quite speak on it with authority yet. Wasabi X might not be the most crisp string but it's not dead/muted. Zero is cripsy. Many confidential people are happy with zero's familiarity. Lmk what you do and what you think! I think zero and wasabi x even each other out to a nice feel of crisp comfort.

Perfect thanks again for such a detailed feedback. That really makes a difference in your channel. I feel like the more shaped the string, the higher the launch angle so in my case as I’m an advanced player, a non predictable launch angle affects your control/confidence in match plays. Probably that’s why round polys like 4g or Ali are appreciated by the pros. The touch shots such as slices and drops shots are much easier on round polys too. With that being sad, I’d be happy if zero were round. Are the 6 sides of zero really sharp like grapple snake game changer? Thanks again. Really keen on pulling the trigger on zero mains 1,23 / wasabi x crosses 1,23 Both at 46 pounds. Cheers!

I’d prefer zero over ether due to your feedback on tension maintenance and now crispness 🤝

Niiice! It's a good choice. I know the Supertoro formula was recently updated to be more crisp but I'll report in the future on my findings and put it into context with the strings I use for reference. Lmk how it goes!

Sorry to see your other reply late. I think part of what makes a shaped string less consistent is the change in surface. You never know quite what edge you'll get on any given area of a stringbed where as with round, it's all the same. Additionally you have mediocre snapback so the strings literally fall out of position all the time. I'm curious what your thoughts will be. I hope you like it but even if you don't I think it's worth a try because it is truly insane what that snapback does. I love spin. The more spin I can generate the more I can control the ball. A lot of my technique is based on what degree to which I can do that so it has opened doors for me that other strings couldn't. Please let me know. They are coming out with a round string and toroline released ENSO which I'll study more but that also had amazing snapback and it's round, more crisp than Wasabi X. Could be something to think about... I'll be testing it more very soon.

I just asked about that size and why it's such a small difference. I've had both but rarely use the larger one. Probably because it's durable enough and that green isn't my first choice color. Toroline told me: we decided to do wasabi green in 1.23 and kept 1.25 for players already using it They initially made it in the larger size but decided to go down later but kept the original since some already liked that.

Interesting. I would say ether or zero mains and wasabi X crosses. Does one call to you more? Ether might provide a little more "feel" but zero will hold tension better. Ether tension hold is decent, though. Zero is legendary.

You got 2 sets a while back and are saving the second? Interesting. Yes, amazing snapback haha I remember talking about it early into my discovery with you.

@@time410s it would be great to pick up my level a bit more and try it/promote it once they start distributing in Europe.

I think those are great options but I highly suggest Wasabi X in the crosses either way! You should see my latest video on my favorite news hybrid. I get into it a bit more but essentially make that point. But for you, specifically, I might suggest ETHER mains and WASABI X crosses! Spin for sure. Comfort is good. Power is good. Control, yes, especially from spin. You could try ReString Zero in mains as well which might give you more "control" over time but it really depends. You should try both and see which you prefer. These are the best of the best recommendations I can imagine.

What tension? Im using head speed auxetic 285g

Close to 50lbs. Not over 54lbs.

My pleasure! I have yet to try snapper. I have tried Toro Toro though and ENSO. Enso definitely surprised me with the power. Still getting to know it, I've tried in a few beds and a couple racquets. Are you using it in a full bed? I don't think I will do that but have been as a cross instead of my regular wasabi x. But I might still prefer Wasabi X although I'm taking more time just to be sure about that.

@@time410s I've been hitting a full bed Enso in a Head Speed Pro. It's already a consideration for my top string after only 2 outings. I generally like to take big cuts with lower power strings and generate my own power, so was surprised that I enjoyed the extra pop from Enso. The power to spin balance is just right so I'm hitting a much heavier ball without needing to alter my swing. The precision and pocketing are excellent. I prefer round strings or smoother shaped ones to heavily shaped strings in this racquet. I used to play a Babolat Pure Aero extended with Mayami Big Spin and could really bully opponents with torpedo topspin, but needed to shift to a more comfy set-up due to wrist issues. With this set up I have more comfort and much better control, hit with more pace and only slightly less spin. I'm getting a set of snapper with my next Esno order to compare and will revert back. It's supposed to be more powerful with similar or slightly more spin whilst providing similar comfort but not sure if I will get the same level of control. Thanks again for introducing me to Toroline!

Pink Enso that is

That is great! I wish it didn't take so much time to test a racquet out when you really want to know it. Takes a few tries of a few tensions of a few strings...before you have a great idea and then you need to compare again to be sure. Time consuming as heck. I'm teasing the idea of the Gravity MP again a bit. I have Toro Toro mains and Pink Enso crosses around 53lbs. Feels kind of stiff/boardy. Not ideal. Is it the racquet? Idk...haven't tried this combo ever. Might try again soon with Ether mains and Wasabi X crosses at the same tension or slightly lower, hoping it feels better. So far still seem to like the PA98 over everything no matter what variation of string/tension I seem to do.

@@time410s It is indeed time consuming to find the optimatl set up, and I firmly believe it's a different combination for every stick. If max topspin is your goal, I'd probably stick to the PA98 and find the best combo for that particular racquet as it's one of the better spin/control blends out there. For what it's worth, Enso pro pink softens up after 10 min, plays well and stays very controlled at 48 lbs in the Head Speed Pro in a full bed so there's definitely the possibility to reduce tension.

Not a lot just average. Depends on the toroline you are asking about stringing. But 50 is a smart start. See what you think and adjust next time. You'll never get it right the first time. Even if you do, you might wonder if you did so you'll try a different tension only to see you prefer the first time. I think 50 is a great starting tension in that racquet. Anywhere between there and 55. I wouldn't go higher.

Premature commentary. Apologies

No worries lol. I will likely try 16 just in the mains sometime on my PA98. But otherwise, always 17.

Yeah but especially one of the two with Wasabi X in the cross. I think Wasabi X is a very ideal cross string.

I haven't but if it has anything close to the spin potential of zero or wasabi I might be interested. Otherwise, I'm usually not.

The site says, "Irukandji is a very special rounded/rectangular polyester string. It is soft and provides great snap-back and feel." and "Its smooth surface allows the mains and crosses to slide on each other, minimizing notching and maximizing snap-back, which increases spin potential." I'm intrigued, but I haven't come across anyone who's used it, and I've been pretty satisfied with Restring Zero too@@time410s

I might reach out to see if they think I'll be impressed haha

keep me updated! @@time410s

Says "snapback isn't even in the top 5 factors of priority in this string but it is pretty good" so I'd assume it wouldn't impress me even if it was a little better than other strings. He doesn't think I'll be impressed and was pretty clear about that. They are focused on other details before snapback and I care about that a lot because it's a big part of durability and spin and I don't believe you can't achieve that and still have a great string. I think grapplesnake feels otherwise but I just have to disagree. But everyone cares about different things differently. And that's good! Otherwise everything would be the same, more or less.

17g regular wasabi? If wasabi X go up a couple pounds with the crosses. Otherwise I'd try anywhere from 51-55lbs.

@@time410s I’m doing a full bed of regular wasabi. I think I will try 52 lbs, I am coming from rpm blast at 55lbs. Very excited to try them out!

Nice! Let me know. I imagine it will still hold tension better than blast. Blast is one of the worst. Wasabi isn't bad but it's not like zero which I feel is among the very best. Still, that amazing snapback doesn't really fade. Crazy stuff!

@@time410s Made the decision to try 48 lbs after my friend told me to try a lower tension. Hopefully all goes well

Could compromise at 50 haha. I think 55 blast could mean 52/50 area is good for Wasabi

Interesting choices! Do you mind cutting them out? It sounds like you enjoy that they survive long enough to have to, though, no?

I get more than 10 hours of play time and don't mind cutting them out. I string my own racquets, so the cost is not that bad. Caviar mini reel is US$75 for 330ft, need about 18ft per racquet, which comes down to ~US$4.5 plus cost of gut (around US$21-22), so per racquet US$26.

doin the math!

I have but I did the white one. I'll try again soon and do a comparison. I know for sure it holds tension much worse. It might have better bite since it's aggressively shaped but I actually didn't feel like it got better spin but it's a little situational.

@@time410s I appreciate the reply. Would definitely enjoy seeing a comparison. It’s about time for me to restring one of my racquets so I’m thinking of testing out some Toroline strings myself.

It's a must try string if you haven't. I think it represents a big shift in the string market.

Interesting. I'm not sure how it would notch like that so early but I'm glad the snapback was on par. Did the crosses show signs of peeling? That occasionally happens to some. I think Wasabi X is a better cross string. If you can get that I'd suggest it in the crosses. You might love it. I haven't used zero in a full bed since. Or anything actually, I generally use Wasabi X with whatever main.

@@time410s yep, some definite peeling on the crosses in maybe four places. After another 6hrs there's more peeling and deeper notching of course, but the snapback is still good lol. Confidential would have broken already at the depth of some of these notches I feel like. Will give the Torolines a try, but I seem to remember someone saying much of Zero's durability comes from the fact that it can withstand rubbing against itself very well in a full setup. Appreciate the feedback!

@itsdubc8550 interesting. I'm glad I asked! I've had that happen once or twice every several stringjobs. I don't have a good theory about that except maybe the hexagonal shape cuts in eventually. It generally doesn't, though. If you try with wasabi x or ether with wasabi x, lmk! I like those hybrids a bit better.

@@time410s I'm not the greatest stringer so definitely could be the string job. Gonna try 50lb mains & 48lb crosses on my next run, but will eventually give Wasabi X in the crosses a shot. Thx again! 👊

Awesome. I just dropped off a pure strike 100 16x20 to get strung with the zero and wasabi x setup. I'm excited to get it back!

At this time, not as far as I know but they should have EU distribution setup by end of year so that it's much more affordable!

@@time410s Awesome, thank you!

More snapback and maybe a little more power. Slightly stiffer. Tension maintenance not quite as good.

Nice! I like the lower tension on those EZONEs. I settled around 46 on that that 98.

Wow that is some vote of confidence, good to know 👍🎾

What was tension of mains versus crosses?

@@JosiahHeng 40 on both. When I get it restrung I’ll do 44 on the wasabi and 42 on the RS0

Thank you! I hope you have success with the Zero and Wasabi X combo. Did you get Wasabi X or regular Wasabi? What tension do you do your Multi bed at? You might be able to go about 10lbs lower. Poly feels pretty good lower tensions and Zero holds tension well. What racket? I need some idea. Some rackets can play nicely with low 40's even high 30's with Zero. For quite a few, however, that would be several pounds too low at least. Like in my PA98 I would not like it that low. Anything below 50 in that feels too low.

It's great! I might prefer it to the full bed of either Wasabi or Zero. You should definitely try it out and lmk since you also like zero so much!

Awesome! Thank you! I have stuck by just going up 2lbs on Wasabi X when used with Wasabi or Zero. I suppose you can justify going a little higher, even, with Zero since Zero is slightly stiffer and holds tension better but I just haven't. Maybe the idea of a 4lb difference just gets to me but it can still make sense. I've just strung Toro Toro (their latest) with Wasabi X at 55/57 in my PA98. So far, really like it! But I need more time.

haha oh yeah all the time. I think the video mentions that my favorite setup would be one of those as the main with Wasabi X in the crosses. As in I prefer Wasabi X in the crosses than I do any other of my favorite strings as a full bed.

Nice! I'm a little behind playing some catch up then! And omg wasabi mains 54 with zero 52 on the crosses on my rafa origin has been a really sick eye opening experience coming from a full bed of rpm blast 16 @ 55! Thanks for the advice! Karue Sell mytennishq uses a similar string setup in his kpro line with caviar in the crosses which I dunno from your experience but on paper is close to the zero string specs being a hexagonal poly. Thanks again 💪

@nglfmark1 - try volkl v sqaure - spin orientated but softer feel, you could try weiscannon ultra cable? again spin moster but this is very soft - softest poly ive ever played - but tension maintenance is terrible - loses tension in 1hr - becomes unplayable - im a similar level player to @time410s

Can you share a mini review for gosen g spin 3?

You might be very appreciative of the Wasabi X cross I mentioned! I know what you mean but I swear that cross string brings in an element of very welcomed comfort that many seek without sacrificing the performance that make these so special! At least try that combo sometime 😁 I think it's only $6 right now on their website!

I will make a video on it relatively soon. I agree the tension is famously not great haha.

Legend! I hope they are to your liking. I have been totally spoiled by them haha.

At 59 years old in my 50th year of recreational tennis, I need all the help I can get 😂

Started at 9? Nice! That's a yr after I started. But I have a...10 year gap or so somewhere in there. You're in Tokyo? Japan is awesome.

I’m from US…been here almost 30 years. My family indulged in every fad, from CB radios to Pet Rocks…including the tennis craze when Chris Everette, Jimmy Connors, etc came on the scene. We all got rackets from then…all self taught.

You might! It's possible that combo, or the opposite combo, could dial back the snapback a bit. Wasabi X is also a cool cross string but it's softer and might not hold up to the tension overtime as well as confidential or zero. Worth a try!

I ended up taming the Zero a bit on my racquet with widely spaced mains (Dunlop) by increasing the tension of my crosses by 2 lbs. It decreased the launch angle a bit for better predictability

Very cool! That Wasabi X really brings the magic to a stringbed. Might be my favorite combo, either one with that in the crosses (as I said in video) Super gooood!

@@time410s yea, I noticed it right away! My Extreme feels a lot stiffer than my ProStaff on contact, generally speaking. So when I first struck the ball and it felt similar to my ProStaff, I was already sold 👌 I was going to bother looking around at other's strings, but I feel very comfortable just using this combo. Especially since they're selling it as a combo, and for rather cheap too

Nice! I'm excited for when the sets/reels of Wasabi X come out. I think it's a great way to upgrade the performance of all kinds of strings. Might be the most slippery/spin friendly round string out there. I'd bet on that, honestly.

Your friend was throwing out Babolat Natural Gut? I'd stand guard over his garbage can before the truck arrives. Did he say why natural gut was trash. Maybe he just busted up with his girlfriend or his dog died or something 🤔

That would be an interesting dumpster dive find.

If you message them they will work with you but shipping might be a little much. You should ask and tell them I sent you! They're only offering to ship for those who ask. Later they will have official distribution setup.

@@time410s great, thanks for the hint, will gie it a try and directly order a bigger amount for some more ppl in the club...

Very nice! My coupon should still apply if you mention it to them. And yeah a larger order helps break up the shipping cost per item, it's a great way to go if you love the string.

It is the softer string so indeed it might! I always string Zero lower than Wasabi so not sure I quite feel that way but at the same tension, I certainly do and would. The wasabi x cross brings that pocketing to both wasabi or zero as a main very nicely!

@@time410s when I tried wasabi and zero in a full bed I preferred the feeling of zero but then when I used the wasabi hybrid I felt that I am playing better and getting more power and speed in my shots although I string zero 2lbs lower than wasabi

I think 2lbs is a good difference for Zero.

Hm. I was conremplating wasabi in mains at 52 and rs0 in cross at 47. Im following the general rule of thumb of a 5 lb difference if dofferent strings are used. Tips for thos if i usually aim for 50 lbs?

Totally fair! What do you prefer about it? I lost so much spin in contrast that it felt like such a blow to my tennis. But I'm sure I'd like a string like that as much as Hyper G or something. It's possible whatever it offers is lost on me because what I lose by going to it is a lot, in my case.

I agree M8 snap back not as good but feels to me a little cleaner. I like restring alot but it's slightly on the mushy side feel wise. But I have a feeling Paradox Pro will be best of both worlds 🤞

Interesting. Some say harsh and crisp! I think different strings feel really different in certain racquets. For example, I HATED how Zero felt in the Speed Pro somehow. And I went pretty low but it felt stiff/tinny.

@time410s I'm thinking my next experiment will be M8 in the mains with Wasabi x crosses

@time410s I'm thinking my next experiment will be M8 in the mains with Wasabi x crosses

Honestly I think the pros are missing out haha surely at least a few of them would really like it.

You're spot on with everything you said!

@@time410s Thanks, I appreciate your reviews. You’re doing a great job. 🍺 Ps* I’ll next compare the tour m8 to these two. The winner will be my setup for a while. I’m leaning towards zero at the moment. My usual go to is natural gut mains / 4g soft crosses at 25kgs. I truly love that’s setup but I would like to add little more spin but the main issue is cost, it’s very expensive. I may try sync with natural gut as well.

Interesting. Yeah let me know how m8 compares. I was disappointed by either that or tour sniper before but lmk what you observe

Wasabi might offer a little more power. If you really want even more, try ENSO PRO (GREY) in the crosses with wasabi mains. But I also suggest trying wasabi x in the crosses. Between those two options I wonder which you'll prefer.

@@time410s How about just ENSO pro, does that have enough power and spin at the same time?? Have u been looking into Hyper G round??. Tennis spin says it offers tons of power but want to see your opinion

Enso gets good spin but you'll get even more using a main I suggested. Enso doesn't have much bite Yet to try that round hyper G but I don't think I'll be impressed by it. Sounds like it offers much less snapback than I expect these days.

Have some sets at home lol

Ha! That's a fun story. I always suggest 17 over 16 but I might play around with 16 JUST for the mains. Yes, they still perform so well even when they notch. It's crazy good. Toroline is similarly impressive and addicting. You might notice a little softer feel and more free power. Wasabi X is truly special and Torline is coming out with more great strings with similar crazy levels of snapback! I'm excited to finally see string companies offer something truly different or WAY better in a few particular ways. Happy to see it. Strings kind of hit a similar cap to that of the cellphone industry where all phones kind of look the same and try to market themselves with a gimmick or spec nobody needs. Toroline and ReString are changing the game! Glad you tried, thanks for sharing. Lmk if you give in to the (justified) Toroline hype as well :)

Update: restrung Restring Zero 4lbs lower on the crosses. Really unlocked the stringbed and SnapBack. Currently 52/48. Bought a few sets of TL (Kpro, Absolute, SuperToro and they threw in Pro Hybrid) so have a lot to try out but this RestringZero set up rn is great

Nice! That's a good move. I generally do crosses a bit lower with zero if it's in a full bed. 2-4lbs sounds about right since it's a bit stiffer and slippery, you don't need to pull so hard on the crosses to overcome the friction that most other strings will. So, reducing cross tension will more closely mimic the net tension difference between cross and mains on a typical string.

Haha was the audio weird or just the way it was phrased? Quadrotwist is a pretty powerful and somewhat launchy string. Quite soft. Everyone seems to string it at least a few lbs higher. It gets the edge in free power vs zero for sure. Wasabi has a little more free power and it's also a little softer. Wasabi X probably even a bit more powerful! Hope that helps. Maybe quadrotwist gets more power overall but again most string high because it's too much. Might be worth considering these strings and trying lower but between the two, wasabi and wasabi x are more powerful at the same tension vs zero. Hope that helps

@@time410s helps a bunch thanks. It was the phrasing, somehow you drifted between Quadrotwist and RPM Blast. Left viewer in the lurch must have been sirens, aircraft overhead something like that. So Wasabi X sounds like the one to beat. A new Restring Zero let me guess outer space spin pusher feel comes in 25 colours. That's my prediction and I'm sticking to it..

Thank goodness for the ability to clarify in comments! Yeah well wasabi x specifically in the crosses. I don't think I'd prefer it as a full bed to something with zero or wasabi in the mains with it. It allows the best of both worlds since you don't really need the shape on crosses but you still want spin and it's a chance to bring something different instead, like more feel or comfort or power etc. The combo is a true killer.

Haha that is interesting. Have you tried these strings? I don't think you'd need to do that for these. Might be worth trying. How long do the effects seem to last?

I did say that! There's a bit of a rabbit hole to that advice you hear and I have my own takes on them and will make a video soon. But, in this case, yes. Higher. It's a different string, it's a thinner and softer string. To bring it's playing traits closer to whichever you use as a main (zero or wasabi) you'll want it a little higher. Similar to if you were to do a hybrid of 16g mains and 17g crosses of the same strings. Not only do I agree with this but it's also literally Toroline's advice and before stringing, I compared the feel and stiffness and thickness and came to this conclusion myself. Same string same gauge, sometimes going lower in crosses is clever but it depends! That rabbit hole is for a different time haha

@@time410s have you tried your theory in the 98... And if so what did you notice in the difference between going higher in the crosses versus lower in the crosses...and exactly what tensions did you enjoy most... And combinations of string?

It's not as simple as head size either. I was going to get into this for a video but if you take the Wilson Shift, for example, especially the Pro model, the crosses are super far apart compared to the mains. It's probably how 44lbs felt so loose in the 18x20 Pro but just about right in a much tigher spaced and smaller headed Yonex Ezone 98. The further spaced crosses mean the individual tension of each string is spaced much further apart. So if you measure 4 mains and 4 crosses, the total tension might be the same but if you measure in inches or cm, there's much less total tension across the X axis than the Y per unit of length. so on a racquet like the Shift Pro I think there's a great argument for going higher in the crosses.

@@time410s Hi, could you advise on going with your recommended hybrid (RS0 17 mains Wasabi X 17 crosses) in an Ezone 98? Suggested tensions?

Sweet! What did you use and do before? This could vary a little with technique, machine and skill but I was very happy at 46 full bed of zero. Id do 46-48 zero and 2lb higher with wasabi x, whatever your mains tension is!

It's so good! You can also message ReString and they will arrange to ship to you if you want. Quadrotwist feels softer and might have more power at same tension but you should get more spin and durability out of these options I mentioned. I actually like them in pretty much every single way more.

just strung wasabi on mains and wasabi x on crosses, will yolo it tomorrow during my league match!@@time410s

How'd that go! Sorry I'm late to see this comment

Nice. I just like wasabi x as the cross always, generally. Any reason you think you wouldn't?

@@time410s i just dont have the knowledge on strings to go into hibrids confidently. I just played with hyper g's cuz everyone told me they were great. they are fine

Oh it's really not all that crazy. Especially with polyester. It's just a way to combine traits. Say you like a certain main but it's kinda stiff. You can use a softer cross and maybe you prefer that. Wasabi X pairs super nicely with just about any poly main. I actually don't know why it wouldn't pair nicely with anything tbh.

Both are crazy durable. I would try both and I highly suggest using Wasabi X as the cross string. That's my favorite thing to do either with wasabi or Zero as the main but also these days, Ether. I think these strings are by far the best performing. Please let me know what you think if you try! Durability and spin is crazyyyy. You haven't tried anything on that level until you've tried these, I am sure.

@@time410s wow thanks for your kind response and feedback.. Definitely will appreciate it

And you mean the company, not the string?

@@time410syes I’ve seen interviews with Restring’s founders (and received handwritten notes and email responses from them) but don’t know anything about Toroline’s story and values. Eager to hear more about the Toroline team and business

ReString seems to care about the personal touch side of things. For some time Toroline was frustrating because they would drop the ball pretty often but they seem very tight now. I can't say I like one better than the other. If you asked me several months ago I would have had a clear answer for ReString. I really like them both at this time.

Where is close? I just moved to Vegas.

@@time410s Oh nevermind thought you were still in Davis

Unfortunately not. Did we ever meet? I can refer you to someone who's actually very skilled and reasonably priced but can sometimes talk too much haha. He's a good mine of knowledge though. Lmk if interested.

I'm a bit confused. The cross is either wasabi or wasabi x. I'm not mixing them together. Wasabi x makes a little more sense as a cross with with either regular wasabi or Zero in the mains vs wasabi in the crosses (unless you want a full bed of wasabi which is understandable)

@@time410sokay I’m more so confused why you wouldn’t use a full bed of whatever string you use.

I often would but hybrid isn't uncommon and my reasons are that a shaped string doesn't necessarily have a purpose in the crosses. The best thing about the cross being the same string is that it's the same string...so they should age identically (more or less) but if you get a different string you can combine traits. Wasabi x being round and softer but equally slippery, means I can get all the same benefits for spin (maybe more) but introduce a bit more comfort to the stringbed with seemingly no other sacrifice.

@@time410s I see thank you

I'm so sorry. There's totally a way but it's a little expensive, right?

I have a few times. Haven't switched to it but tried on a couple racquets. I like the updated formula more than the old!

so stretchy! I'd pick that over RPM blast any day.

Can you explain what you're referring to? I'm lost

changing the amount of surface area doesn't change the amount of frictional force experienced during relative movement, note there is no area term in the equation for frictional force f = \mu N. the narrator in the intro here states that changing the string shape changes the amount of friction, and it's quite a common misconception in general to corelate area with frictional force, but the frictional force is only dependent on two things, the co-efficient of friction and the normal force. string shape does affect other things though which assists this illusion, such as "bite" on a ball @@time410s

Hmm I might have meant string to ball friction as well. Surface area doesn't change the frictional force... So a bigger gauge wouldn't affect that? And shape wouldn't either? Maybe you'd like to separate grip and friction. I think of wider tires having more grip because of the increased surface area and different tread patterns increasing grip or friction with the ground Just thinking on those to get away from thinking about strings for this idea

friction can be un-intuitive, for instance an object of the same mass and same material takes the same amount of force to make it slide across a surface whether the contact area is a 1cm2 or 1000cm2! grip and friction are definitely two separate concepts, in relation to strings people say the shaped strings "bite" the ball, but grip is a more correct term - the tennis ball surface deforms around the string profile more and creates positive drive, not just frictional. all in all though, around 90% of spin comes from the properties of the contact - angle/velocity etc , and only 10 to maybe 15% from the properties of the string (according to tennis warehouse university). I pick strings based on feel and softness ever since I tore my rotator cuff (and price because I'm a cheap ahaha) @@time410s

I getcha. Yeah glad we separated the terms, then I can follow you more! Ah sorry about the injury. My only suggestion from my pool of favorites would be Wasabi X then but I'm sure you've found something you like. But that one might be a great try

Not as good of snapback at all but some prefer it but those wouldn't be the kinds to care about crazy topspin as much. It'll break sooner if you hit like me as well. I might get to know it just for toroline but it's not my style of string. I'd possibly test with Wasabi x in crosses just to see what it can do for a string with only average snapback.

yeah you're not going to convince this guy, he has tried almost everything and nothing comes close to these two strings.

@jesus - scorpion is very good, but nothing like wasabi/restring zero - scorpion is very similar to yonex poly tour pro - flatter controlled trajetory

This made me remember that @time410s (anybody knows his name, by chance?) actually tried once Ultra Cable just because it was the #1 spin string according to the TWU database (just FYI they don't directly measure spin, they do a string-on-string and string-on-ball friction test, and the "spin potential" is just the quotient of both). I already tried a full bed in my E-Zone 98, so I have my own Impressions -not amazed tbh, although like any aggressively shaped poly, it would surely benefit from a rounded cross-, but I'm curious to know his impressions. For sure, it won't come close to Zero/Wasabi, but still. Is the #1 somehow justified? Because I don't feel it had any more bite or snapback than, say, Silver 7 Tour or Focus Hex (which are actually pretty decent strings, if not great, even regardless of price).

Wow, this video raised SO MANY questions, even though essentially you didn't discover anything that new (I mean, that you hadn't been saying almost in every video for the last year). 1. How would you say both strings perform in the areas that don't involve spin? Power, pocketing, volleys, serves, launch angle in flat shots (consistency), feel, touch... whatever you can think of where you may have impressions. 2. The only other company I've heard that using similar methods arrived to close results is Grapplesnake, mainly with M8 which you already tried and thought it wasn't as great as Zero (but there may be others, dunno they have like 30 string names). But would you say it's the one that comes closer of the rest? Or in other words, that being clearly below Z/W, it's also clearly ahead of the rest? If not, what would be your pick if Z/W didn't exist? (in terms of snapback). 3. As you say you are in touch with the people at ReString, could you STRONGLY encourage them to please start selling in Europe soon, be it through TW, Tennis-point, Tennispro, Amazon, Carrefour, Lidl, I don't care, the one that gets them the best deal but soon please 😂... There were plenty more but forgot them, I'll write them down when I rewatch this video and maybe put them in a reply if you bear with me. Great content by the way! A bunch of very interesting thoughts in there. Thank you and keep it up!

Haha yeah I mean it's not like I haven't tried these. Tour bite doesn't come close...Weisscannon Ultra Cable might be somewhat worthy but it's tension hold is worse than Wasabi.

Haha someone's having too much protected sex. That's a ridiculous reply, I just wanted to say that 😂 I can see it! Hopefully I can unsee that later. Mostly think about how psychedelic it looks but now that you point it out...

@@time410s 😂😂😂

You mean the strings I break in 2-3 hitting sessions? Ok. It's fine if you felt that way about 1 toroline string but if that's all you tried, I'd say you didn't try enough and you're blanket labeling all luxilon, solinco, and toroline strings. If you actually tried a fair amount of them and truly came to this conclusion, I think you're an outlier but I'd disagree with the sentiment anyway. To each their own.

@@time410s i tried the Wasabi and it was very substandard, control was way below premiun polys

If you're more of a lux guy then caviar might be your cup of tea. Wasabi and so on is really meant for players who get their control from managing and maximizing spin. It may not be for you if you're not a super spin heavy player who breaks other strings in 2-3 hits. It's a completely different way of hitting and controlling the ball and demands different things from the strings. I really like and am impressed by Wasabi. Caviar is much more comparable to a more typical poly that's a little more balanced in what it offers.

@@time410s i am into super spin producing solinco confidential. and Wasabi is nothing like it and it had NO control

How quickly do you break confidential?

The thing is these are competing companies. I am not bought out by either one. Both understand that "I don't want to be limited in what I want to say because I want to be able to continue exploring and expressing my findings honestly" and they both allow that. So, yes, I work with them but ONLY because I believe they're the best. Not because it's what was within reach. If working with anybody limits my total freedom to say whatever I want to say, then I won't work with them. Simple as that. I want to be honest and honesty is powerful. I'm not giving that up.

Then try the string and judge for yourself. I used both and honestly never going back from wasabi at this point

From wasabi? That means you must be loyal to Wasabi unless that was a typo. I don't understand if your comment is designed to accuse me of being dishonest or bias because of a sponsorship or not. And I was never pushing anyone away from Zero or Wasabi to the other at all. So I don't follow your comment but you are welcome to clarify. If you are a Wasabi fan, great! It's an amazing string and one of my favorite all time strings.

​@time410s umm, that was 2 different people commenting.

And now I wonder if I should delete my comment or just leave it XD ohhh man.

Nice! I gotta check in on the new reel. I always string Wasabi X a couple lbs higher or so. Depends. Like if it's 16g zero I might even go another extra pound or two. But it seems always a little higher. In my PA98s I haven't been going lower than 52 recently. As high as 55 with wasabi. I think even zero once.

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