The Beyonder VS Lucifer Morningstar | BATTLE ARENA 

RODRIGO FILHO you know that if he wanted to the beyonder could just destroy the marvel multiverse right?

@@abubakarbarry4930 Even the strongest version of the Beyonder cant win against Lúcifer, Lúcifer has the will of God, he can make the Beyonder kill himself...

RODRIGO FILHO the beyond error is essentially god you know...

RODRIGO FILHO are u dumb beyonder is 1000 times stronger then all of marvel tf

Beyonder was known as marvel's god before one above all showed up

Lucifer Morningstar but you better

I agree with you on that.

Easy win. The beyonder would easily lose, he's just too damn gullible.

Lucifer Morningstar But dangerous.

@@thorshammer7883 but not dangerous enough

Lmao

I don’t think that’s how it works

Cease?

@@LISAWILKINSON100 He's saying lucifer is smart enough to assess his mental state like that. Realize things.

Sees?? You aren’t serious, are you?

"Im bleeding."

See what u did there hahaha

Or not sense he could "kill" him easly still

Hero Hazz Pretty sure, Vertigo's Lucifer would have killed her just to not be manipulated by his dad in the first place.

@@thedamned7096 I guess he is talking bouy netflix lucifer( they frieking nerfed him more than thanos)

I can destroy all existence easily. I could destroy all marvel with a tought. Marvel made me TOAA before TOAA was mentioned. Lol, Lucifer isn't in that level

DillPickletheman - Gaming & More so is Lucifer............... Again I can't believe I have to repeat this fucking fact but LUCIFER GOT HIS ASS FOOLED BY CONSTANTINE SO FUCK OFF

@@42ndblaze43 Constantine never fooled Lucifer, what are you talking about!?

42nd Blaze When. And if so. THE BEYONDER IS AN IDIOT COMPARED TO LUCIFER.

El Diablo oh my god DanCo even stated that... Look up his video on Dr. Strange vs Constantine or better yet search up the comic because I forgot the title

Jace OverHeaven the word infinite dimensional has been used "infinite" as a statement, theres nothing beyond infinity.. The only things that beyonds infinite dimensional is omniversal which contains all imagination, expectations, questions, infinitiesimals.

god I love drugs. Don't you?

Pre retcon beyonder was so powerful that they had to retcon him and then introduced GOD to try and make him seem much more beatable

Emodeath 02 The beyond infinite dimensional thing was based the understanding of the Judeo Christian god, basically ancient Catholics and philosophers believe God to be spaceless and timeless, in other words beyond infinite dimensional. According to Plato's Theory of forms there are three levels to reality, the first is physical reality, which in the DC/Vertigo universe contains infinite dimensions, the second is beyond physical and into the conceptual. Basically it is believed anything in the first world only exists as a shadow of something in the Second world; that all things came to those there in the second level of reality as one. For example, the idea of cats could act as object, person or thing in the second world, a personification of cats, this extends to all things, life, death, space, time etc... In the DC universe this is found in the Endless. We see that the Endless are truly spaceless and timeless entities, the first incarnation of a Dream was literally the dream of the Eldritch monsters below and beyond space and all of the Endless are children of Night who exists in the untime beyond all event horizons, death also existed in Lucifer's multiverse. And the third level is God, who is unbound from such concepts of death, unreality, time, cause, effect etc... I'm not saying this is the way our reality works but from my experience this is how the DC cosmology seems to be ordered, with The Presence acting as God, the Endless are the Higher concepts and all reality fits underneath. Lucifer is on a level with the Endless with Dream admitting Lucifer is far, far more powerful than he is and Death being unable to kill Lucifer's ravens. The Beyonder on the other hand is only infinite dimensional. There are plenty of verses like this and regardless of the fact that things beyond time and space are logical impossibilities they exist so many times in other fictions, The Dark Tower, The Divergence, Lovecraft's mythos etc...

Christian McCarthy Darkseid>Marvel

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Beyonder can do all of that lol

@@HeFrom23rd Anything beyonder could do, lucifer could do better.

​@@mobarenleidowu1336 are u being biased

@@zechariah2092 no because even if beyonder can do the same he can’t do the same with the same thought since Lucifer is the IQ in that battle

@k.ithelena Why are you writing each word in capital first letter, dumbass?

@k.ithelena hey can u help me

@k.ithelena He was omnipotent. You cant beat that and you're using poor logic to excuse away his power. Nothing beats him plain and simple.

@k.ithelena and please come with any argument so I can debunk it

linky2552 he’s not omnipotent if he couldn’t brink back death smh

@@spidey3922 I think he's joking....

Nope, Peter Parker vs spiderman is better

That is a dumb question if you don't know superheroes secrets identity is like saying Steve Rogers vs captain America

Nah Robert Reynolds vs Sentry is better....

Martha

Beyonder can destroy death itself

Beyonder can make it as if Lucifer never existed to begin with

@@thepresence5041 I don’t think u understand how death works in DC, it isn’t like Marvel where death is just one being, death in the DC Universe is a concept even if u destroy one variation of death another one will take her place, and in order for Lucifer to not exist he will also have to kill God which is also impossible because he will just simply remake himself.

@@halogalaxy5612 lucifer died when his name got erased in the book of destiny. He’s not above death or even destiny while Beyonder is. PR Beyonder a piece of his power in a cup was able to kill death.

@@kekfromkekistan3057 Lucifer came back tho, he died for a like a solid minute

Yeah when your mother is a virgin

@@raziyariha8323 well your going to hell

Beyonder wins

@@RaghavTyagiRajput11 Are you real

OMG I'm literally blasting!!!!!!! (!)

+1

@@fafnirthedragon2992 but hes freaking devil 🙄

Lucifer convinced Tom Ellis to play him in a Tv show.

just got to keep chloe away

If it was Tom Ellis, Lucifer will be dead already xD He's too dumb and weak (More like a puppy Lucifer) while Lucifer from the comic is way too smart and so powerful ! (Even without power is powerful .. no joke)

Dude no Pre Retcon Beyonder was TOAA before he was even a thing and millions times more powerful than the Marvel Multiverse...He's more powerful than Lucifer...

Molecule Man dude when a character gets retconed it’s basically the writers saying “this character always existed we just had to make him first” so by what marvel wants us to believe he was never TOAA the current TOAA is the one and only thats what marvel says that is their god they clearly want it in our head with how many times they repeat it he is unbeatable unmatched unrivaled by any being in their comics end of story stop looking back on the past and using feats to suggest otherwise it came straight from them and if you want to rely on comics so bad TLT who well knows who the beyonder is already said TOAA is unmatched that includes the beyonder whatever omnipotency the beyonder had was scrapped so just forget about it idk what the beyonder is classified as right now all i know is its above cosmic and below divine and omnipotent which Lucifer is divine

Lucifer Morning Star is immortal....... Remember Doctor Doom stole the Beyonder Powers. 🙄😲😲😲😲😉

There is stronger beings than the beyonder. They would easily Beat lucifer.

Sorry dud you have it wrong, in DC it's Micheal and Lucifer that are the balance of each other and they are still under The Presence.

Michael is above Lucifer

The wiki says they are equal and I believe that it was stated in the comics they were equal as well but I can't recall which comic it's been a while since I read them. If there is a difference between them it's in fighting style. Lucifer is far more cunning, but Michael beats him in brute strength. The 'Demiurgic power' it pure creation, pure energy, But Michael can't create anything out of it only Lucifer can. "Michael's power is known to only be matched by his brother Lucifer and surpassed only by God." -- Wiki

@@tytoz9034 They're not equal. If Michael didn't go easy on Lucifer, he would've killed him during his rebellion.

I'm just telling you what the wiki says and what I remember from reading the comics. I never said Michael went easy on Lucifer. Cause I'm sure they didn't go easy on eachother, they are equal. But Michael was able to defeat Lucifer with the Demiurgic power, but Michael was so badly wounded after the fight that he was captured by a lower ranking fallen angel and forced to make nephilims, and he stayed captured for thousands and thousands of years, It took Lucifer saving Michael to free him. Out of the fight Lucifer got out of of it more or less unscathed and then God gavel Lucifer rule of Hell.

Lucifer is the first Angel

Exactly!!!’ You said it better then me beyonder is a god that wants to understand man so what does he do get a 3 dimensional body and turn off his omnipotent omniscient omnipresent power every now and then so he can EXPERIENCE being a men what do we humans have desire curiosity lust envy happiness joy sadness depression anxiety etc the beyonder wanted to experience all these emotions and feelings so yes he did get drunk because us humans do that abs our true feelings come out this is what the beyonder wanted to do smh people ridiculously downplay and say all these flaws is what makes the beyonder weak but the whole premise of the beyonder is a God becoming man so he purposely made himself ridiculously weak turn off his OP powers so he can become a HUMAN smh people man

@@thebeyonderisop6637 and it was because of that desire for mortality that the molecule man was able to so easily seize the opportunity and destroy his physical body ( baby form ) and sheathe his vast energies back to his home universe .

Agreed yes Pre-Retcon Beyonder erases, in beyond realm beyonder is omniscient take this fight to there lucifer would be no longer omniscient cause he doenst know this place in DC if Lucifer tends to fight Beyonder hand to hand he loses also. If its like a meet and lucifer needs to beat him he will in DC universe he will trick him but if Beyonder realizes its his enemy there is no way for Lucifer winning even tho if its DC universe IMO. I do think that Presence should be Beyonder's rival not his angels. In Beyond Realm Beyonder wins, in DC Presence wins due to knowledge otherwise they both omnipotent and omnipresent. Actually Beyonder could be more powerful than Presence cause he is literally Jim Shooter and his realm was billion times bigger than Marvel i mean DC is almost same with Marvel, Beyonder's realm is vastly much bigger therefore Beyonder's omnipotence in Beyond Realm should be higher than Presence's omnipotence in DC. Now if we talk about the fight it varies on the place, if we talk about power its ofc should be Beyonder like i said, his realm is big enough to cover entire DC Marvel and more. Also isn't he Jim Shooter in comic who represents God&Narrator of Marvel Like TOAA essentially?

Very well said

This is why he would lose, he would give his power to Lucifer just to "experience " defeat 😂 PR Beyonder has a mind of a child.

Deadly Assassin9 Netflix revived the show

I hated that show, it was so bad and I used to live in the Sandman and Lucifer comics and I even used to have a man crush on Samael, godamn man I know everything about him and seeing such a toned down and pussy shit version of him that just used his powers to solve gay arse crimes and not even leaving the Multiverse or the platforms of Extra Dimensions at all, and especially the Endless, I loved them and they weren't even in there. The show got so much wrong and didn't do anything.

@@CerealExperimentsMizuki not every show is going to be comic accurate, and if it were, the CGI would be overused and so crappy. I guess a touch of realism?

@@CerealExperimentsMizuki Agreed. That show is not a good take on the character at all, they Smallvilled it. A Lucifer series should have been on HBO with a high budget like game of thrones or a movie series.

@@CerealExperimentsMizuki they dont have a big enough budget for all that

BS Beyonder(base) + verse just by blinking

Yh when beyonder is in his human form... Beyonder has only been outsmarted in his physical form

The only time I saw him beat the presence is when he had the sword and it was confirmed it was only the sword that beat him but yeah, lucifer is really powerful

Omnipotent people can’t be beaten.

how did the presence get beaten the presence is no 1 and lucifer is just no 2

@@billybob4532 Yes dude, that's logic

@@billybob4532 Lucifer is nigh omnipotent and how can nigh omnipotent beat omnipotent It doesn't make sense??????

Actualy beonder is omnipresent omnipotent And knows a lot but not omniscient !!

The player Yt Regien beyond EE is neither omnipotent or omnipresent

His power doesn't work in marvel universe

Marlito World yes he is bruh he is totaly beond godfinity !!

Anurag Games So Neither does beyonders in DC ...

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Lucifer wiuld b btw the most powerful being in the anime.. Cause they talk way more than they fight.... I believe he can make Zeno kill himself

Manas Prabhanshdeep Singh Zeno can erase anyone or anything😂 i am a Lucifer fan and dragon ball but... No one can beat zeno🐦.

@@YOUZANSEN dude i was just joking about how much they talk in anime... And that's all Luci needs

@@YOUZANSEN which Lucifer the comics one or the the baby Lucifer (tv series)

Actually people have been doing that for many years. They even go to wars for it and commit genocides.

yussuq madiq Uhh that doesn't happen.

Lol,fuck that,this shit gets real,cause danco or what ever the fuck his name is,be down playing marvel

@@mrtru2023 IT IS FICTION U FUCKING BABY IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH REAL LIFE AND IT DOESN'T AFFECT U AT ALL , stop crying and grow up

He was talking about religious ideologies which is considered fiction by others.

Yup. But TV shows and movies can never portray what books and comics perceived. But he is still nerfed from infinite multiverse level power to Earth level. Such a disappointment.

@@zeus-odinchiefs6737 well not really, in an arc in the sandman(if i remember correctly) lucifer didn't have his extraversal powers and was stripped to basically earth level, we can see this in the show as lucifer restraining his own powers to that point so that he isn't a part of God's plans anymore. But yeah, they nerfed him as HELL

What do you mean. The Netflix Lucifer didnt even care about the anti monitor killing and eating the multiverse so he is probably multiversal

They nerf him..or just the god himself will appear before lucifer and kicks his ass in front of all of the tv show fans..and that will be the end of him xD again.

Severely but there's only so much you can portray onscreen lol

this is talking about pre retcon not post retcon beyonder. also Lucifer doesn't have the will of God. That's Specter Unbown. Pre retcon beyonder was the one above all before the one above all. also it has never been confirmed if lucifer does have Omniscience. Its only been implied that he MIGHT have nigh omniscience. Also the beyonder isn't a fucking dumbass, why do people portray the Beyonder as a dumbass, its annoying

he does brother he does please read well next time

Girl, learn your grammar.

@@johnnyblack3454 I agree, I don't think they really understand the difference between the PR Classic Beyonder and the post retcon.

He explained it. Watch the video again if you're confused.................

stfu beep

@@josephgassner1800 He's right

Joseph Gassner He’s not exaggerating, he actually did destroy whole universes just by walking there, it was shown and confirmed multiple times

@@kingcrimson1467 Beyonder dismissed an attack that could blow several billiom dimensions, shaped creation of the multiverse so he could fit in and raped Molecule Man who was easily multiversal, Lucy a better match for the Living Tribunal even then hed still lose because Tribunal receives his commands from God himself. marvel's cosmic hierachy is insane

XChristmasManX Lucifer was unfazed by the creation of a multiverse ( it was directly said to be a multiverse), he also took blows from the Dunamis Demiurogos which can destroy all creation ten times over. The DC cosmology is crazier it operates on Plato's Theory of forms, with the infinite dimensions existing as part of the First Form and the concepts which we see from our universe are only impressions of higher beings in the Second Form being unbound by dimensions, time and space. The Endless are part of the Second form, this is largely explained by the Imaginary Axises' video on The Endless, search Dc's seven dark gods we even see Dream of the Endless exit the multiverse and go beyond all space and time showing how he is a Second form being. The Third form is any "being" is completely unbound from any concept including those of the second form which was Plato's belief of what God was, anyone who is unbound from the concepts of the Second form can influence them without restraint creating paradoxes and logical impossibilities e.g. a square circle or lifting a rock so heavy they cannot lift that they created. In the Dc Cosmology this is the Presence and arguably the Overmonitor. The Presence is the one who empowers the Lucifer who is at least a second form being, he is exempt from the certain rules of the Endless and beyond them in power, he has used sigils that kept Death away from his ravens, from her endless embrace, Death has admitted that she has no hold over him and Dream has admitted he is far, far weaker than Lucifer (also saying that he is possibly second to The Presence). The Beyonder is part of the first form, if he was part of the second form he wouldn't be finitely more powerful than infinite dimensional beings and he has admitted that he is only infinite dimensional "it felt odd expressing himself in only 3 dimensions when before he had infinite" (it went something like that). So in conclusion, Lucifer>>>>>>>The Beyonder.

if he go heaven then he meet Michael.

@Troy Gonzalez beyonder doesn't have soul

If Beyonder goes to hell, he'll meet Lucifer, but if he goes to heaven, he'll meet Michael

Beyonder wins

@@starbustergaming5651 Honestly, I would say Lucifer because he's intelligent, he is almost as powerful as TOAA/Presence and he's a better looking character by alot. (Btw, I'm a fan of both, so no, I don't hate Beyonder)

Beyonder look like living in 1980s style 😂😂

Did you miss the whole video? Beyonder is omnipotent which means there is no one more powerful than him, you cannot go further than omnipotence. Lucifer doesn`t stand a chance if Beyonder wants to kill him but that won`t happen, even with his omnipotence, he`s not very smart and thinks there is no one who can oppose him so he will treat Lucifer as a regular guy and that will be his downfall. Lucifer can`t do anything to Beyonder other than manipulate him. DanCo got it right this time, Beyonder can literally squash Lucifer but he will get played by Lucifer every time and end up losing.

@@yatharth7703 I agree Lucifer Morningstar would lose to Michael Jackson aka Beyonder

@@alinnistor7871 Beyonder isn't omnipotent Toaa is omnipotent and there can only be one omnipotent in a universe.

@@Crow-nc1oo Yeah, he`s more likely nigh-omnipotent, but pre retcon WAS omnipotent.

Use your brain a hole beyonder more powerful then him

Imran Iqbal watch Constantine the movie

They passed by each other in Lucy's bar, nothing happened except for looking at each other

Lucifer 2018

Imran well your wish came true 😂 When John asked a favor from Lucifer in Crisis on Infinite Earths

@@ronjeremiah1038 constantine’s plot armour would annihilate him by merely looking at him

That doesn’t necessarily mean anything

@@anythingatall7670 pretty sure beyonder is not God or an angel so basically it does mean something

@@sebtheweb43 That is completely irrelevant. Beyonder is God in the Beyond Realm and he beat Mephisto (the devil in Marvel) many times.

@@Enskyed the devil in marvel were talking the devil in DC and just because he is in the beyond realm he isn't the real God like the presence or one above all

@@sebtheweb43 Then don't use that argument as if it holds any weight. ''the beyond realm he isn't the real God like the presence or one above all'' He is omnipotent in his own realm. His realm exists outside of Marvel. static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142536/3988631-3344492-marvel%2Bage%2Binterview.jpg static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142536/3988654-3344482-beyond-realm.jpg static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142536/3988974-3344670-ff%2B288.jpg static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111142536/3988979-3344685-millions%2Bof%2Btimes%2Bmore%2Bpowerful%2Bthan%2Beveryone.jpg static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11130/111308723/6707847-5286516703-rSZqT.png

mohammed bangura Immortal things also can be killed shown by the Chaos King from Marvel Comics...

Lucifer was said to be absolutely immortal to the highest level possible for characters below the Presence and only the Presence could destroy him

@@professorchannel6359 presence and Michael no one else and luci killed both

Morningstar not Presence dude

mohammed bangura only on earth hell and heaven

In the comments section, 70% say Lucifer while 30% say Beyonder The only reason Marvel depowered Beyonder was because of TOAA

Bitch Lucifer is beyond comics, he exists outside of comics and he can actually manipulate writers cause he has manipulated his own father the god and DC writers are the God's of DC Omniverse and Lucifer can just erase beyonder out of existence

@@LuckyVarma11 beyonder shit stomps him quit smoking crack bro

@@LuckyVarma11 lmao your argument is valid on DC writers only, not on marvel writers. You know why beyonder is called so, because he's from the *beyond* . He's not inside the Omniverse. Even if Lucifer has created the whole DC multiverse, beyonder is beyond his scope. Stop smoking crack

@@nitishkalita1026 lucifer deletes beyonder from existence stop with cap and read comics

Saizen FINALLY, someone understands

WeaponXSigma hi

Pre-retcon beyonder, I'm placing him = Micheal, who lost to Lucifer

@@freddypedraza2066 well you're an idiot.

Elizabeth Mckinven Fr

@@Toddles it could go either way. If lucifer manages to beat beyonder it'll likely be to outsmarting him and if beyonder beats Lucifer it'll likely be to overpowering him

Lucifer still wins

@@thenamelessking7873 i told you it's different in many ways, you can compare but you can't decide

@@AhmadSaifudin116 yes you can? People compare characters from different universes all the time so yes you can it's called scaling....

@@thenamelessking7873 just compare, not decide

Come on lucifer wins😂😂😂

The beyonder scales well above lucifer and the presence but he loses cause he is like a child,but if he wanted to he cole just blink lucifer out of Existence,the battle really depends on how the beyonder is feeling

Damien Dingus your implying that the devil is real but there is no proof that he is,so i could also say that the devil is a fictional character 🥱

Damien Dingus now your implying god is real and you still have no proof,”god” could also be fictional to buddy,

Damien Dingus just because you believe that the devil is real doesn’t mean he is,some people think he’s fake so are they wrong?,and just to make it clear im not saying your wrong im just saying that you cant state something as a fact without any proof,which you don’t have

Damien Dingus ight bro,now you just preaching at this point 😂,

This is the best. Thank you kind sir for these words. Someone who understands luci is to good for beyonder😭 praise the Lord

doubleshot helix it’s funny cuz 95% of people really think just because u got god like powers GG

doubleshot helix this is like a HxH fight

All Skill No Luck If he knows every scenario of existence, then how did Dr. Doom deceive him and manage to get his power?Because he can’t, the Beyonder is Omnipotent but not Omniscience.If you don’t know what Omniscience means, it’s the state of knowing everything.Go read some comics first, before you say something completely wrong.

Fyi, The Beyonder is technically made of the ideals of the Endless, despite his power. Lucifer Morningstar is NOT affected by the Endless, ez claps.

I would give it to beyonder because Beyonder has only been outsmarted when in his 3rd dimensional form (human form) while in his Real form he is omniscient too he entered marvel universe wanting to experience human nature so he depowered himself.

Kraven Maybe Captain America Nick Fury will come out on top IDK

Blade Cap MK Idk Good fights, how about deadshot vs comedian, ghost rider vs dr fate and hyperion vs geo force?

@@alecg.5638 Dr Fate would crap on Ghost Rider it's not even close imo

1st. The Presence 2nd. Elaine Belloc 3rd. The Great Evil Beast 4th. Michael Demiurgos 5th. Lucifer Morningstar

@@breezycramheartz3066 Lucifer is prob above michael

@@johnthegamerman404 Lucifer lost to Michael

@@breezycramheartz3066 but michael was killed by lucifer once too

​@@breezycramheartz3066 Lucifer has been confirmed to be the great evil beast. I can't remember where thought

black widow idk idk deathstroke batgirl

Deathstroke (sorry, I answered the others already) How bout deadshot vs comedian, ghost rider vs dr fate and hyperion vs geo force?

Black Widow Daredevil (stomp against talon) Nightwing I guess but I only know stormshadow from the movies Deathstroke Batgirl

IConic _19 I think Deathstroke's gear puts him above Comedian. Dr. Fate over GR and IDK on the last one

@@royparks4265 deathstroke? I said deadshot

@Supernaturally American Honestly, there's no point in arguing with you because you don't have a clue what the fuck you're talking about. The Living Tribunal is omniversal. There's only one Living Tribunal. The Living Tribunal is scared of Beyonder and begged Molecule Man to stop him. Owen Reece himself stated that Beyonder transacts on levels that are unimaginable to him. The creator of Secret Wars, Jim Shooter said that Beyonder was supposed to be the god before genesis, and that the Marvel multiverse was a drop in an ocean that was the Beyond realm. The idea that Beyonder is just multiversal is laughable. With the exception of other omnipotents, there likely isn't another character in *fiction* that is as powerful as Beyonder. It's why he's often banned in versus battles because the answer is always "beyonder wins."

Thanos army True Darkseid Spectre Horde i would say Fulcrum

Darkseid army stomps True darkseid Spectre Horde Great evil beast

IDK True Darkseid Spectre IDK Fulcrum

Osvaldo Jacobaco feats for true darksied ??

@@mohamedhesham5493 his presence was collapsing the multiverse which is why he uses avatars, he also raided heaven and is a multiversal level threat

beyonder can't kill Lucifer even if he tried Lucifer is much more powerful

Biased asf@@drybackwoods2960

Uhhh he’s like matched with pre retcon beyonder in the first comics

He immune to plot manipulation

Shaggy is above Thanos with all of its gadgets including hotu so..... shaggy > lucifer

Shaggy is basically the brother of God

Lucifer coughed a little. Shaggy absorbed the power of that cough, then he proceeded to beat the shit out of the Marvel Universe. Lucifer: It works all the time.

TOAA : creates Infinite bigbangs Shaggy : *Wasted*

And beyonder

True

Lucifer actually can create matter he did make his own universe as part of one of the universes in the mutiverse

Fax

Demonbane leaning towards the voice Stalemate Stalemate Beyonder

Demonbane Me Stalemate Stalemate Pre Retcon Beyonder

How it going oblivion...

Molecule Man everything is going smooth this way, how are you? Been in any fights lately?

@@trueformoblivion3518 nah chilling in my Quesi Reality playing with my Omniverse in a box...

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

You can't be smarter than an omniscient being

@@The-Beyonder lucifer is true omniscience

@@LUCIFERSONOFGOD my statement still stands. They'd stalemate at best

Thing Well, moon knight has already beaten him, so he wins Aquaman Huntress Domino wrecks Blue marvel stomps Black panther Steel Suicide squad

How about comedian vs deadshot, Dr fate vs ghost rider and geo force vs hyperion?

IConic _19 you can’t make a being serving true justice repent so most likely Dr. Fate beats ghost riders

dude u joking right

@@Toddles he's right

Immanuel Classified very right

This is basically exactly what he did with Michael to create the DC Universe

im. not really sure but. maybe ur right but u know what Lucy has will of god basically he can create a army. of beyonders in his favour

Remember Lucifer cant create something out of nothing

And that is exactly it. If it exists, it can and will be manipulated by the best in the biz. And something tells me if lucifer wanted the power of the beyonder, he would have it. That wouldn't be any fun for him though

nO MICHEAL CREATES SOMETHING FROM nothing not lucifer beyonder is basically lucifer and micheal combined

I am omnipotent because I was Marvel's first attempt to create TOAA. I could wipe all existence. I could wipe marvel with a tought. Every single thing I imagined turned out to be reality..

@@preretconbeyonder6090 but thats past now, justice should be served to beyonder and moleculeman. Power downgrade is stupid, should have been kept atleast the the level of LT.

If you were omnipotent,then how did you get retconned?Oh wait,you are not.You were just leagues above everyone in the entire marvel multiverse.But not omnipotent.

@@Insugod I let myself by tricked , ask that to the writer. I was the most powerful being in al marvel, I was marvel s fist attempt to be a TOAA, I could wipe multiverses just by thinking of them. I could have ended all existence if I wanted. Maybe I am not 100% omnipotent, but its debatable

+Pre Retcon Beyonder you should ask that to the Lucifer writer and what he actually stated for Lucifer lmao thesatanicscholar.com/2016/01/19/why-vertigos-lucifer-morningstar-matters-pt-4-of-4/

Pr beyonder stomps lucifer while drinking a cup of tea . First of all , Currently , officially , Beyonder is Tier 1a .... Lucifer is just Tier 1b which is way below Beyonder ... secondly , Beyonder was Toaa before toaa .... it has been stated everywhere . Its either youre blind or too ignorant ... thirdly , he was Toaa in his omniverse which was a million times bigger than the marvels omniverse .. dont beleive me? Go research it up fool (:

Lucifer on the other hand stated he was afraid of SF darkseid 🤣🤣🤣 omfg ... he fled away to his void .. he was afraid of UB spectre as well .... and dont get me started about how a pussy was he when he avoided GEB 😂😂 come at me BRUH

Knocc Out FOOOOOOOOOLLL lucifer never even done dat bruh micheal one shot unbound Spectre and lucifer is jus the same level as micheal bruh

Knocc Out Nah huh it already proven he jus a nigga in a pocket universe he not even tooa bruh ibb.co/cJOXCp

Knocc Out beyonder was afraid of doctor strange 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Not sure Not sure Nekron takes it if it's pre-52 and onward nekron, he's virtually omnipresent and is the entropy that amped certain dc characters in the past 2.bp.blogspot.com/TkNhYF7HQM2ICdIB8eeoae9PXmHNuBuDxdmiK1Ewh3L57HdnyKSZFN533nmgnnK5cXbdpw5lqwJEYA=s1600 Gorr has necro sword right? If so he should win

@@wakingup6382 thanks for that link. That pretty much sums it up

Doesn't matter what beyonder we talk about lucifer is just beyond existence he literally went where nothing exists Lucifer made a universe in not talking about like the multi verse he made a universe outside of the creators control

Pre rect my ass Lucifer is beyond comics while beyonder cease to exist only in comics so Lucifer wins only the TOAA is a tough fight but still Lucifer can manage his our of that too

Doesn't matter what version of the beyonder you're talking about... lucifer would destroy him every time

Matthew Mcgarry Bruh Pre retcon destroyed the multiverses of toaa

Matthew Mcgarry also turned toaa's omniversal in a drop of water

The Dude Omniscience > Omnipotence, Brains > Brawns If Dr Doom can outsmart the Beyonder, then Lucifer can beat him no problem.Since Lucifer knows everything, he would know how to beat him or manipulate him.I don’t know why people call Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA, when he is only Omnipotent and Omnipresent.TOAA is all of those but is Omniscient as well.

@@iliketacos886 exactly

lucifer can do everything the beyonder can expect create something from nothing, Lucifer is infinitely more intelligent, beyonder kills himself

Lucifer not lucipher

John is in no way shape or form comparable to Lucy. He was utterly destroyed by dr manhattan

What type of fuck shit question is this Lucifer Stomps

Brett Jackson Beyonder is not a cosmic being

@@buddyoldboykiddo2031 then what is he? I'm not trying to be rude I'm actually just curious lmao

Who tf told you the beyonder is a cosmic being the beyonder is a beyond Multiversal being it has been stated he could destroy all of reality and then snap it all back into existence

Holyrooster gaming he is not cosmic being He is just something beyond Cosmic being. Cosmic beings are low characters like eternity when compare to him. He is just some BEYOND cosmic beings

Daleking 117 It never said he was a cosmic being, cosmic beings are below the Living Tribunal even OBLIVION is the Living Tribunal’s bitch

You win

This one will end in stalemate

Pre Retcon Beyonder You win easily, anyone saying otherwise dosn't understand what Omnipotent means.

The pre retcon beyonder was the plot it self and you can't beat plot

You are dumb thats why!! Lucifer is also nigh omnipotent