@@donpax8959 I doubt it, in the show young Sheldon you are aware she tries her best to read his interest… her unconditional love is there. As she has love for god, she tries her best to respect his beliefs with still balancing hers. Sheldon’s mother gave unconditional love. While Leonard mother gave a life with conditions. His mother was tough love through a sense of “scientific approach” while Sheldon mother gave he tough love through god. Either or, this explains why both are friends cause they resemble their mother.
@@donpax8959 Mary does her best to never lie, so if she says she read the book, she probably did. If she didn’t, she would have said that she heard about the book or something.
“And i respect your right to your beliefs.” “And i will pray for you.” this is and accurate representation of these two worlds meeting irl and it’s hilarious. 😂
The fact that mrs.cooper actively participates in learning about sheldons interests while may or may not agreeing with them is proof enough that she’s a great parent
@@danaayounus she grew to become better when Sheldon got older. Mary wasn't the best parent to her other children especially Missy. She only focused on Sheldon
I love the fact that it’s clear Sheldon’s mother had actually read Leonard’s mum’s books and had distilled them so perfectly. She maybe rougher round the edges, but she’s every bit as smart as Leonard’s mum.
As a Christian myself, I like that she demonstrates how a person of faith can be intelligent, have common sense *and* love for their children. I find it interesting that of all the characters' mothers, I think she is the most supportive, even though she doesn't agree with her son's beliefs.
@@arielklay23 : Totally agree- great insight. She always know exactly what to do or say to get Sheldon back on the right track (as needed)- which shows that she really KNOWS her son. Caring for someone and knowing someone are actually two different things- with the ‘knowing’ requiring a lot more effort. Also, no matter what, um, “politically incorrect” comment Mary makes, she has a certain charm and goodness about her- her remarks are considered well-intentioned, and the rest of the characters (except Leonard’s mom) just kind of let it go. There is no maliciousness in her. And Sheldon wouldn’t be who he is without his mom. She adjusted her worldview when Sheldon was young- because she realized he was different than her other two children and needed a different approach. How many parents adjust their behavior for their ‘unique’ child, vs. how many just continue on the same path, trying to force their child into fitting into ‘their way’? Unexpectedly, as far as parent-child relationships go, Mary and Sheldon’s relationship is the healthiest. Sorry for the novel- but loved your comment!
It also shows that while she is a devout Christian believer, she is not so narrow-minded to at least read what people of other faiths believe or don't believe in. Some Christians are the exact opposite.
That's because the script writers favour her. If you notice, the psychiatrist doesn't put up much of a fight. If she wanted to, she could destroy Sheldon's mum by calling her out for her confirmation biases and delusions... bordering on psychosis - all of which are the root cause of why she believes in nonsense.
Sheldon: "It's not my fault that your mother likes me better than she likes you!" Leonard: "Don't flatter yourself. She likes everybody better than she likes me!" LOL! :D
Leonard should have said that it's not his fault that his mother is an idiot bitch like Sheldon is! Also, Leonard's line didn't quite make sense. Beverly likes Sheldon better than she likes anybody else, even Penny, Howard and Raj!
I love how Penny also secretly roots for Mrs Cooper, because she's also from the countryside (South) and how she loves and is proud of Mrs Cooper's savage responses to Leonard's mother @0:55 & 2:10( I love her expression as she tries to control her unmanageable laughter)
Same here! As an atheist person with a psych degree I should be team Hofstadter but she's just so RUDE and Mrs Cooper is kind and sweet, and a great mum
I suppose it was inevitable that Sheldon and Leonard's mother would fight over ideologies but what would have been nice to see is Sheldon's mother berating Leonard's mother about her parenting, about how cold and unfeeling she is and how she should be ashamed to be a parent.
+JohanStarDragon true.. I also hate how they undermine her beliefs all the time. religion might not be scientific, but I believe every deserves to be respected
+JohanStarDragon true.. I also hate how they undermine her beliefs all the time. religion might not be scientific, but I believe every deserves to be respected
Actually Leonard and Penny finished raising Sheldon, even though they met him after he was physically an adult, emotionally he was 10 or even less. Considering both Leonard and Penny's background and what they had to work with they did a good job. But even so Sheldon will never be mature.
Say as anyone like. Freud may not have right about his theories. But he st the tone ir pathway for modern psychiatry. He was not totally correct. But he was not totally incorrect. He sure did open up a pandora's box. And as usual the Jew stigma always comes up with freudian discussin.
@@gowdsake7103so you would rather believe that as a child you wanted to murder your own father in order to sleep with your own mother (or vice versa depending on which gender you are) than that there is a god who sent his son to die for humanity's sins? I ain't even a Christian but Freud's theories are horrid, I'd much rather believe in the bible
As ridiculous as the notion of a boat holding every animal on earth? or a guy literally parting the Red Sea or a teenage virgin being impregnated by a ghost?
Mary might not have a doctors degee, but she's every bit as intelligent as Leonard's mother. And she stands up for herself and what she believes in, even if it's questioned all the time (even by her son).
I think that's the irony they were trying to portray. The parenting styles of the mothers were better suited to the opposite child. Leonard would've been a born-again Christian and Sheldon wouldve been WORSE than he was.
I think Leonard is playing out his relationship with his mother through Sheldon. The way many people play out their relationships with their parents through their spouses.
Persianbabak Sheldon would of been worse off with mrs. cooper. Sheldon disagrees with his mothers fundamental beliefs but he loves her and would do anything for her
It’s amazing watching two absolutely incredibly talented actresses show why they’re two of the best. Anytime they’re in a room together I laugh 10x more.
As a neuroscientist and psychologist shouldn't Leonard''s mother know that Sigmund Freud's theories have almost all been disproved by the modern psychology field. He was full of it. If she based her books off that quack she's not that good of a psychologist or a researcher.
It's worth noting that she knew enough Freud to be able to criticize him for his actual theories. She's not the smartest or most educated person in the series but she's not a moron. Throw in that Leonard's mother thinks the conversation is so beneath her that she doesn't once give an actual argument while Mrs Cooper actually gives several both supporting her philosophy and criticizing Mrs Hofstadter's
@Joshua Lopez I can't believe in what religions says about how humanity and the world was created, i can't even it process it, it conficts with logic, the bible and the quran are filled with nonsense things... and also the idea of a god makes no sense for me, most of the time i only see people using their God to spread hate...
I feel like atheists and people who follow religion pretty much have the same mind frame. I do agree that Leonards mom was rude and disrespectful but it makes sense.with that said though, I would react the same way as mrs Hofstadter .
It always pissed me off that Leonard never called out his mother on her abusive behavior and possibly even make a hateful comparison as to how Mary Cooper (in the relatively brief time he's known her) has shown more maternal care and concern for him than Beverly did throughout his entire life. Charlie Harper (TaahM) called out his mother for her horrible parenting, and even though it didn't get through to her at all, it was still satisfying to see him unload his totally-justified resentment in front of her.
Finally someone with a brain AND a soul in the comment section. I completely agree. It's the same with genders and races, why can't people just respect one another? It's not difficult
Truly educated people don't constantly talk about their beliefs in mixed company and don't try to push their beliefs on others. I'm all for not yucking someone else's yum, but if you put it under my nose insisting that I eat it, I will say ewww gross I ain't touching that. When Christianity learns to respect boundaries and consent, I will stop disrespecting it.
@@carmensavu5122 Guess my atheist acquaintances aren't very educated then. They constantly push their beliefs in mixed company ( even when Christianity or other religions haven't been brought up). Atheists can use a lesson on boundaries as well.
Props to penny during this scene. It looked so hard for her to hold in her laughter. She kept her composure. How many shoots before they nailed this scene.
Agreed. And it's interesting to me that Leonard's mom didn't have any retort for Mrs. Cooper other than expressing her belief that the argument was rediculous.
I wish someone would shame Leonard's mother of what an awful parent she is and how she brought up insecure and broken person despite her having physiology degree
Marks Madmarktigan hey! Quite a late reply but I think both “despite” and “because” work. She treated Leonard as a personal project because she had a degree in psychology but having that degree she should have known better how that kind of treatment can affect a person.
@kaltes herz English is not my first language and it’s not even second. If you go into a rage mode over a simple misspell maybe you should just get it done with .
I really enjoy the character of Sheldon's mom. If Sheldon was raised by Leonard's mother he would have probably lacked the social skills that lead to him meeting his wife, close friends and any insights they inspired in him to win the Nobel prize.
For a psychiatrist it's so hilarious how she thinks she knows everything about everyone just cause she's an expert on what FREUD said, yet she never has a clue about how to take a look at herself.
I'm not. I worked in a behavioral center. The scary ones were the arrogant ones. They were really good at appearing normal. But when the client walked out the door the charade was thrown off like a filthy rag. 😬
"How can someone as enlightened as Sheldon come from someone like you?" I loved Penny's wide-eyed reaction to that. On a serious note, it's actually genetic, on his maternal grandfather's side: "Paw-Paw" was the only member of the family who encouraged Sheldon to pursue a career in science
I may be an atheist agnostic but I'll have to tip my hat to Mary. Sure Beverly is smarter & better educated, but Mary is the one with better morals than her.
@@djokerdevil thats not what the Christians beliefs are? Youre just taking it out of context. Everyone is destined to hell because of the sins WE committed by OUR OWN free will. Jesus died and went to hell for us and gave us the gift of heaven because He loves us and He gives it free of charge. You're misconstruing God's love by phrasing it in the way u did.
@@theshaunsta .... Nope, only recently the church suddenly decleared there is no Limbo, where all non baptised infant deaths go. These means even in 'no sin' yet you don't go to heaven.. What bullshit morality is this ? The muderers loophole : commit any attrocious sin including murder, as long as you believe Jebus is Lord and Saviour and you haven't denounced the Holy Spirit, you go to heaven. But... if you read your bible carefully, unless the Second coming of Christ, the 'Laws of Moses' are in full effect... This includes all of the hundreds of food laws, like, no shell fish , no pork etc.
so you believe that gd created the world a certain way. me too-they obviously exaggerate both sides for the show. I have met many psychologists who dont talk like this.
WeAreGoodButNotSoGoodButVeryGood Science never denied the existence of God as far as I know. That's the thing about you athiests you keep bashing other's beliefs and expect them to respect yours.
You cant win an argument with a person with lesser intellect because they cant understand your rhetorics. That is why leonard’s mother did not bother to answer because she knows mary will not understand it.
@@osvaldomadinor8538 Well, she technically can. This isn't the time when Atheism and Religion were at an impasse and Pascal's Wager reigned supreme amongst intellectuals. Science and by correlational extension, Atheism, actually has evidence that concepts such as Evolution are real and that the Big Bang did occur. Now does that definitively prove that there is no god? Absolutely not, but it does prove things which stand in stark contrast with the teachings of the Abrahamic Religions which most often clash with the scientific community which have zero verification other than a book which says that god says these things and did this. Neither have the final answer, but science is much closer.
It's hard to argue with religious folk, because faith is just that, it's faith. There is no facts to it, no verification and people are often stuck in it, so it is pointless to argue. I will say though, in terms of Mary's jabs at Sigmund Freud specifically, yeah she's absolutely right. Leonard's Mom being a Freudian is my number one problem with her given she is a Psychiatrist.
@@gowdsake7103 That's not what the God of the Bible says at all. Please, can you give me the scripture where God specifically states that I am second class?
@@lydia-marylivingston5916 Wow you havent read it ? Genesis 3.16 Genesis 38:16-24 Exodus 21:3-4 Leviticus 12:1-8 Leviticus 27:3-7 Numbers 30:3-16 Numbers 1:2 Deuteronomy 20:13-15 Deuteronomy 22:23-24 Deuteronomy 22:28-29 1 Timothy 6:17 want any more or are you going to use the pathetic its out of context or interpreted differently
He's not, he has issues. People even pointed out that if Sheldon was raised by Leonard's mom, he would have turn into a mad scientist because he wouldn't understand love. As emotionless as Sheldon can be, he still has love towards his mother or grandmother.
@@Nameless82284 nah Leonard doesn't have any significant issues (like early Raj and Howard and Amy and Sheldon). He's just very insecure, but that's soley because of his upbringing.
I love the actresses playing the moms in this scene. Leonard's mom was on Cybil with Cybil Sheraton for many years and was absolutely hilarious. She's also done several roles in movies, including Addams Family 2 as one of the camp counselors. Sheldon's mom played alongside Galecki on Rosanne and also was Andy's mom in Toy Story.
Wasn't it this episode that won an award? Beautifully scripted and acted. How Leonard got through the argument with Sheldon in the bedroom without collapsing in laughter was a near miraculous testament to their skills. I laugh so hard at this episode it hurts!!
@alice hatterz He's not far off though. You have to suspend logic for faith to 'work'. This does however not mean religious people are illogical, just when it concerns their core beliefs; in this case religion. Many people act irrationally when it concerns their core beliefs, but religious people tend to take it a step further.
And now that we have Young Sheldon, we see that Sheldon's father George isn't really all that stupid. He's not particularly bright either, but he's definitely not so stupid as to warrant complaints from anyone. This is why prequels are tricky to pull off. You can't always perfectly align the canonical material that preceded it.
Or she is unlogically resented from tje fact he died young, forcing Georgie to become the man of the house, as she delt with depression. Belittling George Sr. makes it easier to deal with ger guilt.
What is truly fascinating is how Sheldon's Mom is literally the only super Catholic person i could root for . She's so savage and so sweet at the same time :')
She's not Catholic if she believes in faith healers and talks about the Holy Spirit. She makes jokes against having a guitar in church and bead rattlers. More like traditionalist charismatic Christian? Try the video with Mary's funny scenes. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-s98fD6ILORo.html
I find it fascinating the dynamic of this is a ying yang perspective Mrs.Cooper devoted Christian with a son dedication for science Lenards mom detached from human emotion for psychological scientific purpose with a son in science but more human and heart than her.
I just wish they had an episode wherein all of the cast's mothers are present, before Howard's mother passed away. This of course includes Amy's mother, the one and only Kathy Bates!
Leonard's mom: I respect your right to believe Sheldon's mom: I'll pray for you ______ Leonard's mom, Sheldon's mom, Amy's mom, Howard's mom, how unique they all are having strong attitudes ;)
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