The best thing about GW2 was that if u wanted to play peashooter but got bored, there was like 10 other peashooter’s you could play. Same for the other classes
Yeah exactly and it’s like with PvZ2 if you were getting bored of one strategy there were so many to choose from like a team of only Ice Plants for example 😊 I think whilst the perk system still adds that variety it doesn’t have the same effect as character variants 😊
Garden Warfare 1 and 2 both had incredible variety with maps, characters, and had a great stream of updates, while Bfn has absolutely zero care given to it, and i would’ve said that it was made primarily to make money but i doubt this game has made as much compared to GW1 and 2 since it’s pretty much dead in the water at the moment
I was hoping they would start to make "Real" variants in GW3, not just "Lets put fire, ice, toxic, electric, fast and bulky variants in every class and call it a day" type. Real variants with actual unique abilities like vamp flower and nec'rose. But nope. We lost'em all instead.
The creativity of the maps is a lot more similar to the first garden warfare, which had more standard grassy and suburban locations. The maps were fun, but not as creative and far out as GW2.
GW1 had an identity, GW2 had an identity crisis, GW3 redesigned all of it and sort of looks good anyways I feel like i know every inch of GW1 maps in the Welcome Mat mode, i spent a 200-300 hrs there trying to be a team player and find some balance, and play strategically I played maybe 2hrs of GW2, didnt like it much, found the world and portals confusing but also i was playing with a subscription on PS4 so my time was very limited I played maybe 2hrs of GW3, i tried this without playstation plus so just some basic AI fights in giddy park, the game is very pretty
Wombat imo, GW1 had a very strong identity toward the first PvZ and GW2 had a very strong identity toward PvZ 2 along with their own narrative that the zombies had gained superiority in the war, and although the maps weren’t as good and in number compared to GW1 it did really well in bringing a lot of elements from PvZ 2 I feel like Bfn on the other hand, doesn’t really have the best map design, both gameplay wise and identity wise, it just feels like they’re trying way too hard to understand PvZ and aren’t getting anywhere tbh
Pop Cap ruined Garden Ops, it seems more bland now. The arena’s are too big, the slot machines don’t really offer rewards nor have a wide variety, & you can no longer escape for extraction on the final anymore. It seriously feels like they threw it just for the sake of throwing it in...
I don't care if this gets downvoted, I don't care if people give me flack, I don't care if others agree or not, and I don't wanna start a riot or hate mob over this. I merely want to try and give my opinion and perspective of things for others to take as they will. I believe that the devs should be cut some slack from the community. The game has had and does have some rocky issues but just to give some perspective. Compared to GW2 BFN actually has a smaller team, not only that but most of the original team is just gone as well. GW2 had an immense amount of borrowed assests straight from GW1 where as in BFN all the heroes had new models, some of their kits were reworked, and a bunch of the game was changed. Now this isn't an argument about GW2 vs BFN, I'm not saying one is better than the other just that they're different and explaining why out the gate GW2 had much more content than BFN. Most people have already speculated that the game was supposed to have an extra year of development before release but was pushed out early due to the leaks. We have no confirmation on this but something that is clear is that the devs are having issues with development. People seem to not realize that developing a game is like, really damn hard. Especially a AAA game and a live service game being developed by a small team. It's obvious that new content has slowed down, they're staggering Legendary upgrades between months (I think they should've done that to begin with rather than back to back with wizard) and the two new characters coming out in september (Wildflower and TV Head) are mostly reused assets. Most people say it's them just being lazy. But to some of the dataminers it seems like its more of an issue with them receiving less resources. My theory about the two new characters is that the devs worked on releasing them since they are way easier to develop because they wanted to give the community at least some new content because they knew they weren't gonna be able to finish and push out some of the other things they've been working on. Most people say 'that's ridiculous, the community wouldn't care and only want new things' But they don't try and think of things from the Dev's perspective, they don't know the kind of backlash the community might bring from having these kinds of characters released, from their perspective it's just easy to make new content for the community to enjoy, but most people seem to see it as 'They're just being lazy! They keep pumping out garbage!' I don't see it that way at all, I'm truthfully excited for the new characters and to see how they play out, seems like some extra fun to enjoy. Another point is that the devs really seem to be trying as best as they possibly can to cater to the community, it can be seen in the balance patch notes of the last few patches they've released. A lot of changes are things the community have been asking for, such as steam blaster's nerf, rapid fire nerf, making sunflower and scientist more balanced with eachother and their healing, etc. From what I've seen they really have been trying to add changes based on what the community asks for. Hell I'm sure next patch brainum will get nerfed just like steamblaster was cause at the moment there is balance issues it has that the community wants changed. Yet every patch people constantly nitpick at other things, they point at bugs that got through playtesting, overreact to balance changes the devs make themselves (like acorn's double dash in this latest patch for example), they do all this while ignoring the good most of the devs have done. Yea some of the bugs have been bad but you know what bugs are? Mistakes that fall through the cracks, and they're just humans like us, and as I've said before they have playtesting issues for one reason or another. In conclusion, the devs really have been trying to do the best they can to make positive changes to the game for the community, but it's clear that behind the scenes there are some issues happening that we just don't know about as well as the fact that games are hard to make and this team is smaller than gw2's. The community should really cut the devs some slack rather than berate them for minor mistakes that happen, having criticism is fine, you can give that in constructive ways without insulting or being toxic. I just think the devs deserve more respect for what they've been trying to do for us with this game, not constant toxicity and hate. That's all.
Honestly a lot of people seem to think making a game (especially one with a huge expectation like bfn) is like just snapping your finger and any bugs or bad balance is done from stupidity not a accident Coding is hard modeling is hard animating is hard balancing is hard getting the money to work on the game without ripping off fans is hard game devolomeny is just hard
Out of all the comments I have seen in RU-vid of years. This comment really is exceptional. The fact that you thought about the game devs trying their best is amazing. Thanks
I really hate the bots in multiplayer. Because they reward you less for killing them, doesn't add to the vanquish streak and they practically have aimbot and with pin point accuracy shoot u from afar and turn on a dime. It makes multiplayer less fun and with people not playing the game as much you'll be in a lobby with more of these bots that rewards less and aren't even human like at all if that makes sense.
Yeah it’s a shame they added the bots in but I guess it may have been necessary since there wasn’t many players but yeah it’s not the same fighting bots :/
My biggest issue is that this game kinda feels to grindy. I like the art style but some of the maps just don’t show that or feels to normal. I do like how the characters are pretty much balanced too.
they definitely one up the factor and reserved the legendary costumes with actual money or rainbow stars specifically. the designs look nice and I can even see several of them being potential variants (like bakery nightcap where she flings cakes that can either muck up your abilities or temporarily blind your opponents). but this is ea here...
This has been encountered by players such as myself - I usually grab coins by smashing crates and other destroyable objects in story mode and if I get enough tacos I will convert them to money. My strategy is very successful but even with this strategy, it's easy to get bored of grinding in this fashion so you make a really significant point thank you for pointing this out!
Yep, the majority of those opinions I completely agree with. Let's hope the new road map helps the game a good bit, although the simple fun gw2 gameplay isn't really present here. I do really like bfn, but gw1 and 2 worked really well, I'm not sure why they changed what was already working. Don't mistake me for a hater, I like all the pvz games, but there's a certain charm from gw2 missing in bfn :/ The game kinda lacks in content too, while the pve regions are definitely better than gw2s, with the lack of character varients and stuff like the trials of gnomus, it's gets repetitive quite quickly.
@@Mr.McSaltSalt Lmao either way, how many variants were in gw2 again? Something like over a 100 if I remember? No matter how many characters they add gw2 is far worse in that aspect, the only time it wouldn't be is if popcap suddenly released like a 100 characters, which isn't going to happen for obvious reasons. Also don't even get me started on the fact that you can buy whichever character you want with only coins, while in gw2 you had to open countless packs to get the character you wanted
I like not having character variants. It adds a layer of simplicity on to what is still a fairly strategic game. In a lot of cases, I find myself having to pull off the perfect execution of abilities to get on the point and stay there as night cap, or do some finicky maneuver as peashooter to bomb the payload. I think the map that does this the most is wielding woods because of the different terrain it has. The character variants were replaced by an upgrade system that gives you many different ways to use a character. For example, the night cap has abilities that make it move faster in fung fu (an offensive upgrade overall), and has abilities that buff its spore strike. Every character is given two, maybe three (see: support class) paths with the abilities. However, these two to three paths can be mixed around, plus the outlier upgrades, making for tons of combinations. And you have to figure out what works! You get to pick your play style and you get to mix and match said play style! It might feel like there’s less options, but now with the addition of legendary upgrades, there is most likely a character with the perfect ability combination for anyone! Whether you suck and need some extra health (rough patch) or can’t hit sap traps (I don’t know what this one’s called) or just don’t want to reload your gun as a scientist (upgrade that reloads as you warp) you have options. Here’s an analogy: if Disneyland just GAVE you a lightsaber it wouldn’t feel as special as building your own. The new system gives you more base characters, the core of the character, if you will, to branch off of with your own abilities so you can feel like the character is the perfect fit. Why? BECAUSE YOU MADE IT A PERFECT FIT! Look at how that works! All the big, flashy maps from GW2 just didn’t fit with how plants vs zombies is. Think about it: the very first game took place where? Not in a factory, not in a gnome land, it was by a house. The setting was just your average house! The characters is what made it special. Magic plants, zombies with screen door shields and wearing bucket armor. The characters were the stars. In GW2 it didn’t feel like we got more customizations, you had to pay for some of the characters (and you couldn’t get them otherwise or without ridiculous grinding). Two examples of this are the Z1 imp and Torchwood. You ALSO could only get certain ABILITIES through paying. It kinda sucked. Also, People don’t take into account that most of GW1s maps were normal.
Wow that is a very long comment lol! But you made some very good points, yeah I imagine all the variants were a nightmare for the devs to try and balance! Yeah the perks system does allow for more customisation but perhaps they didn’t flesh the perk system out enough I think if we had some more perks that were really creative I think it may have been received better than the variants 😊 Yeah and when it comes to the maps and making the characters the stars I get that and the contrast works, I still think I perfer the more wacky visuals like we’ve seen in PvZ2 and GW2 though 😊 And yeah some of the monetization was a bit pants in GW2 😊 But thanks for your opinion, always nice to see someone so passionate and make some really great counter arguments! 😁
Redhead Gaming and the reason I brought up the original games with maps in mind is because you stated that some devs might’ve “lost sight of” what made plants vs zombies plants versus zombies. In fact, the second game might’ve made the players lose sight of what garden warfare 1 and pvz 1 were. In gw1, there were 10 characters with 6-8 or so variants, adding up to around 60/70 characters. With the second game it was 16 characters with 10 each; double what we had in gw1. The same goes for maps, they gave us big flashy maps that weren’t what gw1 was. However, people don’t notice that GW2 was wildly different than gw1s simple gameplay. This amount of change is why I think bfn is more true to pvz than gw2
This is how I feel about it too. Variants were great and all and I'll miss some of the cool abilities they had but by them slowly adding in more playable characters and upgrades it feels more like you have your own unique character. When you played a variant in gw2, you had cosmetics and a couple of minor upgrades. In BFN tho, the upgrades are way more deep and you can make your own unique character, there's more cosmetic choice and the spectral hats letting you change the color let's you personalize it even more. I think the only real downside to this system is that it can be hard to read people. Like in GW2 if I see a chemist I know that i can just stay at range and he can't touch me but a paleontologist might try and snipe me. With the new upgrade system you won't really know what someone is running with until it happens. But even then it's really a good thing because it forces you to adapt and if you keep dying to something then instead of having to switch to a different variant or even a different character, most characters in BFN are flexible enough to handle a multitude of different situations. Additionally, the changes in abilities and how the characters play makes it a way more strategic game even without upgrades because now characters like the rose and engineer are actual support characters and rose's new legendary upgrade with the thorns shows that popcap wants to encourage team play. Only thing I wish they would do is finally add text chat on PC or something.
demrifnoC itanimullI totally agree with all of those points, the flexibility is really refreshing. I remember playing all three garden warfare games from when they came out, and I think 1 was a little easy (until 2 came out and the noobs went there) 2 was ridiculously hard, and bfn was HORRIBLE at first. I was playing mushroom like everyone on earth and when they nerfed it I thought I couldn’t play it anymore no matter how much I liked it. But here’s the trick with this system: even off-meta characters can BECOME VIABLE. I was using the most “you can’t kill me I’m too tanky” mushroom for a while but then switched to a more speed based build. The switch made playing mushroom great again. Of course, I would die, but less. I would get my usual kills, maybe more. In GW2 if they nerfed a character (or variant) it made it unplayable almost. I played super brainz for the longest time and never noticed they nerfed him and I just thought everyone was really good. By the time I had switched off of super brainz, everyone had torchwood, paleontologist, or chemist and that was all they played. The game became bland, too hard, and just all around not fun (kinda like fortnite, huh) TL;DR: BFN allows nerfed and off-meta characters to become viable in their own way when GW2 just lets nerfed characters die and makes everyone play 3 characters that are good
I was playing BFN today and I noticed something that got on my nerves....bots,I feel like in a game like BFN you shouldn't have bots in online matches I get why the did it,but does popcap know how annoying it is to keep getting killed over and over again by the SAME BOT, another thing I found out is that bots in can spam abilitys and never have a cool down also in gnome bomb when a bot goes to defuse the bomb ,the bomb will defuse in half a second,Im not kidding it's true
Yeah the bots were unfortunately added as the player count just is really low I think - I’ve personally not had too much trouble with the bots, but I didn’t know they could do that! :O
@@RedheadGaming I feel like if one team has a bot or has many bots on their team if someone would wanted to switch to that team then the game should delete that bot and allow the player to join that team
Yes, I totally agree! I had waited and waited for a potential Garden Warfare 3 and when the first trailer for BFN came out I was excited. But when I got my hands on founders I was kinda disappointed, they had made some changes I didn't want but also made some good changes e.g. the graphics.
Idk if u knew this but the team behind this game is totally different because ea fired the other team and they had to work on 2 game at a time with a year deadline
My issues with bfn: 1)sprinting, people can sprint like little twats and escape from basically anything if they spam jump 2)no variants, variants made gw1 and gw2 very replay able and made me come back, instead we get some stupid legendary upgrade system and mr award o tron items 3)grindy Honorable mention) sprinting and sprinting
Let's be honest, if they add ice, toxic and fire variants to each character, the game would have 10 times more replayability. They should be unlocked at grandmaster 1 so you have a reason to grind.
I know this will probably sound very petty but I really don't like the new art style, characters like super brainz and scientist look REALLY stupid (like seriously what did they do to his goggles!) The characters are either pencil thin or way too wide
I completely disagree with this. I believe that the main problem with the game is the lack of polish. There's glitches everywhere, the balancing is all wack, and there's a lot of flawed mechanics. I think that something like Repairville would help the game out a lot in the long run. What I believe people forget about the game is that it's not Garden Warfare 3, and isn't trying to be. It's a reboot for the Garden Warfare series, and they're trying something new, and I like that. I feel like if they went the obvious route and made GW3, it would be a pretty boring game. They already basically perfected everything in GW2, and just making that again would be a terrible idea. They took a risk, and I think it paid off. That's just what I think, anyway.
That’s totally fine, after all this is just a discussion video of my opinion and everyone has different ones 😊Yeah I mean definitely the lack of polish is a big factor too - and of course it isn’t GW3 and perhaps people are comparing it to GW2 when it is different I guess, but I suppose the game is very similar to the GW games, and I think a lot of people just feel it’s the same formula just watered down 😊 I personally still really enjoy the game, but from what I’ve heard from many viewers and considering the low player count I don’t think as a whole the game hasn’t been as successful as previous titles 😊
I prefer the concept of making several improvements that deepen the gameplay of the character without doing it too much OP Some variants were just way too strong. With bfn we just lost the wtf side and I like that. Especially with the competitive parities that there were at the time.
I feel like it lacks content, the character variants gave me something to look forward to and motivated me to play the game more to open packs. I don’t feel like it was pay to win and gw2 and gw handled that issue very well. Bfn just feels dull and the legendary character upgrades are cool but they take up too many upgrade slots.
i agree with the legendary upgrades taking up too many slots. Most of the time the upgrades aren't even better they're just different so the idea that they have to nerf it by making it cost an arm and a leg to use is kind of ridiculous. It would be nice if it only cost 3 or 4 and let you still have room for other slots, otherwise it kind of defeats the purpose of upgrades because now everyone using that specific upgrade is probably running the same or similar loadouts and the whole idea of player uniqueness is gone again and at that point it might as well just be a variant.
Upgrade 3 points for elements like arctic tropper 5 points different weapon like centurion 7 points for legendary Meter like toxic brainz or iron citron
Okay this might be an unpopular opinion but, I actually prefer the normal town maps and maps of places found in every day life. Idk I just love seeing a regular ass city or town, but in a cute cartoony form. Sure Egypt maps, ancient Rome maps, space maps, etc can all be fun. But I feel like you already get so much wackiness with the characters themselves, that it's nice to see them contrast with a simple suburban area while destroying everything in sight.
Yeah I can understand how the contrast of wackiness and normality can be really appealing :) I guess for me I like the visuals to be something different from normal I like playing video games that take me away from everyday life 😊
Bots: That thing that can melt you in less than 3 seconds whit pea gatling, literally moving their head faster than every player in bfn and never miss any headshot, kill things all across the map if it detects the player unless it is a pirate, mix abilities like shadow sneak and fung fu Or Bots: That thing that can... stay at the back of battle arena whit just the shield wating for the end of the world, try to snipe someone but gets glitched whit the wall and act like if it there was nothing here zooming in and out, get distracted making fun of someone, being a sniper miss every single shot, but not the close range shots or just do nothing
The following: Nightcap, shadow sneak up, cast the shadow, Fungfu, if dat crap ain’t work it will shadow sneak away, and come back five minutes later Cactus: my aim sucks but I can still shoot you between walls Citron: I will put up the shield....and spin dash you Chomper: grody goop, yet the two spukeweeds, burrow, f off
Well I think my biggest problem is like alot of others the lack of sub classes. To me they made the game interesting and mad coins worth getting. I'd even be fine if we just got the old fire ice toxic and electric
I did like that they transformed variants into the upgrade system, as that gives you a lot more control over your character, but i don't think they executed it very well and the upgrades don't really have that big of an impact on the game, another thing is that they should have kept the variant weapons, as those really were amazing and made you play the same character and never really get bored. At least they're adding legendary upgrades, but even in 4 years i don't think it will have as much legendary upgrades as GW2 had variants. They should keep adding regular upgrades too, maybe rux could sell them for coins, which would give them more value, as well as make people play the game more. What i'm saying is that upgrades in the current state aren't really that fun (IMO, of course.), and they should make them more game-changing and interesting to play, instead of you just picking the most OP ones and never changing, like GW2's variants. I don't care if you make sunflower walk while in sunbeam, or make peashooter have two bean bombs, or even nightcap being able to fly, *MAKE UPGRADES INTERESTING AND GAME-CHANGING.*
@@RedheadGaming yeah. usually I end up picking a few perks that are okay, and sticking with them forever. if I want to switch perks, I just make a new preset to make it feel like I'm switching classes. I also dress the character drastically differently to make it seem even more like it.
yeah sometimes i go and play gw2 and i just can't decide who i want to play. And I imported all of my characters from gw1 into gw2 so i had like a bunch of characters to choose from and making the jump to having to upgrade every variant individually almost feels like an overwhelming amount of work and I almost wish that I had just started fresh. Every once in a while I find a character that I really like such as the plasma pea, mechanic, welder, reg corn, reg citron, frost rose, etc. but whenever I play bfn there's still a lot of content and a lot of stuff to get but it seems a lot easier to choose between 21 characters with 10 on each side (11 on zombies including wizard which I don't have yet) than over a 100.
I am ok with the fact that they got rid of variants in BFN. My problem or problems is the character balancing, sprinting, the maps, and jumping. Seriously who thought it was a good idea too give the characters a higher jump??? What happened too having a jump were everyone jumps that height regardless of holding the jump button or not. The exception is certain characters that have higher jumps.
Gw2 I think has 121 characters yet Bfn right now has 21 that means because of variant Gw2 has 100 more characters exactly than bfn and I did the math hell even the original Gw1 had 70
When I think about it I realized one of the main reasons I think bfn isn't as bad as other people say is because I really didn't like the variants. For slot of my GW time I played classic, which had no variants available. I only switched off because I noticed I had all the characters unlocked. Even so, Bfn has always seemed a bit odd in the evolution of PvZ, but I don't find it any less annoying then GW2 so I plan to keep playing it and hope it keeps getting better. Though I mostly say this because I'm annoyed that when I try and find a bfn video, all I get is either an old video or "bfn bad"
Yeah I can understand that the variants certainly didn’t work for everyone, I agree though I don’t find the game any more annoying than the other games 😊 And well I don’t do ‘hate’ videos, this was probably the most topical/controversial video I’ve done on the game 😁
The maps in garden warfare 2 also had more drastic changes form one and other like low gravity, the ice breaking, portals and bfn has oozes and cheese, I still think EA just wants money. But I have hope.
Completely agree with everything said. On another note, both Wildflower AND TV Head will become playable classes in September, shown in a tweet over at the PvZ Twitter.
I agree with all the things brought up here. Another thing I dont like aboit bfn right now is that AI's get added to lobbys if they arent full, which detect you quickly and arent fun to play with or against. I'd prefer they just gave me a half empty lobby instead.
THEY SHOULD ADD A COOL DOWN FOR JUMPING, EXAMPLE: A CHARACTER COULD HAVE 4 JUMPS AND 1 JUMP TAKES 2 SECONDS TO RECHARGE! THAT WOULD MAKE BUNNY HOPING LESS ANNOYING.
Yeah but this cool down system would be different for each character, some might have more jumps like acorn and imp, and some might have longer or shorter cool downs like All-star, for longer, and rose, for shorter.
Chances of getting back gw2 maps 10% Chances of collaborating with other games 10% Chances of getting gw maps back 5% I hope they brought back some old maps
i agree with this, variants and different abilities is what made the game replayable. i also don't like that it takes longer to vanquish people, with the addition of sprinting it seems counter productive. as wolfy said in one of his videos garden warfare 2 was a direct upgrade of garden warfare 1. bfn was more like overwatch, which is quite different to gw2. this is not something good to keep people interested in the game.
Hey Redhead, I'm big fan of PvZ series and my issues are: 1. Battle Arena, they should add costume or skins on different ranks. 2. Quests on lobby, the game has one quest with a fisherman pea. In GW2 there were couple of quests in lobby but there weren't regions. Food festival has quest with acorn and I really like it, but now there aren't other quests, it feels like dissapointment. 3. Gnomes, there is not infinity time and other great events as in GW2. 4. Giddy park, great social reagions but what is this?! No houses, no capture the flag, no serwerage, only small playground with one secret. 5. Character variants, without variants this games doesn't feel great for OG players. BUT THERE IS PLAYBLE GNOME IN FILES, OPS PHASE 3 and more... My plan how can BFN rise from her dead is: Add Battle royale mode (seriously), one squad zombies but other plants, if you playing as plants or zombies you can see others on opposite team. Example: You are playing as plants but you see others as zombies. You will be choosen as plants but in top 10 when others are ONLY Plants, they will get a zombies classes, no matter what team. Or they can JUST do a 50vs50 Becouse it's Plants vs Zombies!
Hey Alex, some good issues raised then and some awesome suggestions, I really like the idea of a Battle Royal mode, it could be fun, not sure how looting etc. would work but yeah would be fun I think and the 50 vs 50 sounds like utter chaos but again really fun!! I also do really miss he Giddy Park quests some of them were fun, hopefully they add some in the next festival 😊 And yeah I also think not having the Gnomes is a shame, they were in the other ones and really added some interesting game modes! I hope Ops Phase 3 comes, cause it does sound really really good! Thanks for your comment btw! 😊
I really like battle for neighbourville but you are right, there are some things wrong with it, I can't Instantly kill people when I headshot people as sniper It glitches It doesn't have same variants F$&KING STEAM BLASTER! It is not that goofy, only if you read the text on characters and maps
Interesting points there red, I agree with most of them. However, I have my own OPINION on the lack of varieties. I like the variations of plant where their was a unique effect involved ( ex: hot rod chomper, metal citron, etc.) but I despise the fire/ ice/ toxic ones cuz they felt like copy and paste. Also it has come to the point where everyone would just stick with one variety because it was the strongest. The lack of variety gave creativity and customization for the upgrades and basically we are now able to make our own variations. Plz no h8 me guys
We gotta remember bfn is a diffrent tittle than garden warfare they are two diffrent franchises ( sorta ) and. Games bfn is not gw3 it is a new game with new and diffrent looks and gameplay
Character variants are the best and worst part of garden warfare 2, and it's important not to look at the past entry with rose tinted glasses because it happens a lot in this community. Specific character variants completely broke the game balance-wise, leaving base characters almost useless or making otherwise underwhelming base characters completely broken. I like character variants being removed in Battle for Neighborville, but what I don't like is that there was nothing introduced to that effectively replaces it.
I would just like a story mode to end the series where you choose which side at the end of the story to decide who wins the war cause I'm going to be honest I don't think I'll be getting any future installments unless there's an actual story. I'm not much of a multiplayer person I get bored with them quickly (though PvZ did hold my interest longer than most) they will also be unplayable at some point in the future because less people will be playing and the games require support where as single players can last forever. I did like that BFN had campaigns but they don't feel like they affect anything but it's the closest we've gotten. I remember when I was in 5th grade and seeing trailers for PVZ GW and being very excited to play it but then when I went to buy it day one I found out that there was no single player I refused to get it cause I had to pay for Gold in order to play it and ya no story mode. I eventually got it after seeing Zackscott playing it and thought it looked really fun and bought it about a year later. I played GW1 for a few years and had a lot of fun I managed to get all but one character cause at that point I did get bored after doing the same thing over and over again. But I was still excited for GW2 and liked that there were missions and that you could play offline(though you still need to be connected to the internet which I do have a problem with and makes having the physical copy completely pointless). I played it for a couple of years but I didn't want to pay for Plus (I didn't have an Xbox One at the time so Gold no longer mattered) soI never got to play online or get the two bonus characters as grinding takes forever. Which is another problem I have with multiplayer games is that they're so grindy I was fine with Halo as you don't need to get gear and i prefer that but there was just so much stuff and in order to keep up you have to put in a lot of hours but i don't have much of a drive because there's really no end goal the story, characters and conflict will stay the same no matter what I get and how long I play and when I'm done collect everything I have no reason to come back to the game as there's nothing left to do then start over but again there's just no story or end point making it feel pointless to me. So when BFN had campaigns in it it does put it above the other two in terms of "story" and conflict but again completing them doesn't really do much and the ending to them don't really feel like they had a proper conclusion. I'm not asking for like a deep and emotional story I just want an adventure Crash and Spyro(except for the Legend Trilogy) have very simple plots and I would be fine if the next GW had more of a plot that can be simple though have a bit more to it than Spyro and Crash like the PS2 Ratchet & Clank games or Jak & Daxter since Gnomes are a third faction. I would just like to see a conclusion to a series I love and not die or it being canceled with no conclusion (granted it's not like a major series that needs one but still) and they can still make more games that take place before the chronological conclusion as Spongebob is still making seasons after the first movie and they all take place before The Movie. I still love this Franchise it's one of my favorites as I grew up playing PvZ 1&2, GW and even Adventures before it was taken down. I even read the comics though the newest ones are kinda meh.
agreed, they need to keep things changed, yet keep things the same, personally i think they should've continued their pattern of, new game, new maps, new characters, new variants and just more stuff to do
What would you say if you woke up one day and magically had 1 million subs. And a notification from RU-vid telling you they’re sending you a gold play button???
Positives about bfn: graphics, sprinting and better pve Negatives: no variants, poor upgrade system, cosmetics are coming back even though it's not even a year old
I completely agree that the lack of variants made the game less fun, but sadly I don't think they are going to add them in. It would be a lot of work for the developers and it would be extremely difficult to balance properly, which was my biggest problem with the first two games.
Yeah I mean the variants are certainly part of it and yeah I doubt any massive change like that would come, it would take too much time and money unfortunately :/ Yeah definitely the one problem with having lots of character variants is the balancing 😊
Bfn is my favorite game of all time. It is far from perfect and wants to make me throw my Xbox out the window, but I always come back for more fun, memorable times. I feel that variants were a way to change up playstyle, but was it really that important to have them. Doing fire damage and freezing someone just doesn't change the game or play style. Anyway, most people will play the most OP character they can find. bfn's lack of variants makes it easier to pinpoint what is wrong with the game and fix it. I do think bfn needs more content than a legendary upgrade and some crappy stuff every month.
Really the lack of variants wouldn’t be an issue in the developers actually managed to get a good balance. Realistically, they should be able to make this game extremely balanced compared to its predecessors, however the devs just, don’t. If they just made a few overall tweaks like damage drop off, cool down and upgrade cost adjustments, this game could be much more fun and less repetitive. It just isn’t fun to fight teams of goop spamming chompers, engineers, invincible bunnyhopping Sunflowers, That one Peashooter wearing the Sappy Pea costume who runs away the whole match. Just getting some good balance would be enough to keep this game going for a little while.
its really sad how the game was launched here in south America. In the first months there was a considerable amount of people playing the game on PC, but because the price of a computer is really high at least in Brazil, there was a lot more people in the consoles. Even though the game was fun, there was a lot of FPS problems that are still up today, i have a GTX 1060 and a Ryzen 2600 and i cant even run the game more then 90-100 fps on the lowest settings. The game is abandonded at least here, you cant find anywone in the servers and the frames problem are still there.. God Damn i miss the old GW1 and GW2, Thks Ea.
Oh right that’s interesting, yeah PC’s are very expensive! And wow for me I haven’t really had any issues on PC, I’m not sure what framerate I get but as long as I get 60 I’m not really fussed about frames 😅 And yeah it’s sad that the player count is so low 😭
(Sorry for my English) Well the biggest problem that they made in battle for neighborhood is deleting all the variants because is that thing that made the game so special and unique just try to thing in another shooter game with characters that have this... (I'm from Spain) Perfect video by the way your channel is going to be very big one day I'm sure about that!!!
Hey Alexelproo - no need to apologise I understood your comment! 😊 And yeah I agree, the variants certainly made the game stand out more and be different to other shooters! Thank you so much I really appreciate that, hopefully the channel will be big one day :) Además, si quieres escribir tus comentarios en español, no me importa usar Google Translate si eso te ayuda. 😊
Does no one notice that turf take over is broken The new map is gone for a whole month At the end of preserve pastures the game always logs you off and says the host ended the game session Is it just me
my game has also been malfunctioning a lot lately, no in the same way as yours but when i join any game mode (I mean ANY game mode) i get kicked from the group even though i wasn't in one (not always just often) and even if i was kicked, it'd be for no reason, i don't exploit or do anything like that's and its really confusing Edit: grammar
Now PvZ BFN Is not the best pvz game imo It does have problems but I enjoy the game for what it is And I Think BFN Is A Prequel To The GW Games And That Is why We Don't Have Variants But That Is My Opinion Now Do I Hate BFN No I love All 3 Of These Games I Have Been Playing For So Long I Love These Games ❤
i thought the balancing was just compleatly broken cuz honstley i dont have much problem with antything else even tho variants would be preety awsome and i hope they start makin customazitions as good as in gw1
In recent updates they increased the bloom of fully automatic character weapons. This makes those who have skill basically no better than someone new to the game if you can’t hit anything beyond 3 meters
I was hoping to find the ideal reason for "why does the community hate BFN, and why do I only like it for Snapdragon?" Thank you *so much* for being one of the people to sit down, say what exactly is up, and be on your way without too much bias.
They should focus on new characters for the time being to introduce more strategies and make things more interesting. New PvE regions would be nice too.
Things wrong with BFN 1.no varients 2.enemies running away at 1hp 3.some legendary upgrades 4.maps are a but ehhh 5.none of my friends play pvz anymore
If Bfn is was a Gw game, then having no variants would be a problem. Since Bfn is a spinoff, it's most likely that Bfn would never have variants and if it would, then they need to balance the characters, add dmg dropoff, and add a stamina bar to limit sprinting.
The perk system could've somewhat fixed this problem if most of them impacted heavily on the character's tool kit or even added onto it. Unfortunately most perks dont do this except the legendary perks and a few selection of perks *cough* the one that makes acorn, a small quick moving target, have substantially more health than it's reasonable *cough* . Plus de balancing is still pretty bad and chomper still feels underwhelming even though some of the changes made to him would actually maling good if present in previous GW games like the secondary spit (although give it a lower or higher fire rate and damage or fire in different ways depending on the variants, that way Yeti Chomper can keep his gimmick) and the spikeweeds having to take time instead of instantly trapping anything after 0.1 miliseconds of existing would make things more balanced. Maybe add more things to him like beeing able to burrow targets x amount of feet in the air (just to make it safe make the limit the same hight as jumping) and having an special animation for that like shooting out of the ground and quickly swallowing the zombie mid air instead of teleporting into the air, come out of nowhere and swallow the zombie while standing on air (the speed of said animation should vary depending on the zombies hight over the ground) plus I find the burrow frustratingly inconsistent on when it decides to swallow the zombie. Atleast they should fix Chomper in some way, that's what I ask.
Yeah me and my friend have been plqying pvz for god knows how long and as soon as we got our hands on bfn we noticed these issues straightaway. Its kind of ruined our playing experience sadly.
They removed variants so they can balance it as much as possible and for the kids that have no idea what character is better than the other. I still agree that it need some variants.. and I think if every character got legendary upgrade it would be fun
I kinda don't feel like BFN was supposed to release when it did, because of the really weird way they released it and the state it was in shortly after release. I dunno, I feel like they realised that people were leaking everything they decided to just release the game as it was, which if that is the case, I don't think that was a smart move. Even if that's not the case, I still think even releasing the game as it was wasn't a smart move in the first place. When the game first came out, everyone had kind of gotten over the "no variants" stuff, and decided to give it a chance, but the game was such a buggy, atrocious mess that it turned pretty much everyone off immediately. The founder's edition was only around for 6 weeks, which I think is smart, so they don't burn people out before the game even releases, but I don't know if they should've released the game straight after that, they pumped in new content extremely fast and just shot it out the door prematurely, everything was really janky, the character balancing was out the window and everything felt really unfair to go up against, and the novelty of a lot of the new concepts wore off pretty quickly (like the new character variants, story mode, giddy park etc) and with that gone, all you really had left was a barebones, strung together mess. And then they introduced the prize map, I don't think they did that in a smart way at all, and right now, I think it's hurting the game more than it's helping it. Of course, the idea is that the players have to grind throughout the entire month to get all of the prizes, but in the first place that's not a particularly smart way to do it. To finish the prize map, you have to play the game non stop pretty much, and it's really easy to burn yourself out quickly from this game (another thing made worse by the lack of variants) so your average player will never actually finish one, and as well as this, they are essentially putting all of their resources into creating these, so bug fixes are very few and far between. As well as this, a lot of modes are still very unpolished, such as Ops Mode... me and my friend had GW1, and we'd play Ops Mode for hours, it was nothing like other games and it was so much fun, but they kinda destroyed it in this game. The AI really aren't very good, there's absolutely no settings so you can't alter difficulty or play it alone with friends (actually, Private Play might've fixed that, but it's a bit too late now..) My friend got really upset about this, and for him and a lot of people, despite the game trying it's best, the game was just permanently ruined in his eyes. The horrible start turned a lot of people off the game for good... I still have hope for this game, I still have hope it can be really good, but in it's current state it's actually being out - competed by GW2. The game is dying rapidly, long time you tubers like Wolfy Playz have just given up on the game entirely, the servers are all filled with bots and it still feels really unpolished. I think they need to drop the prize map idea, or at least stop working on it as much. When October comes, they should start re-using old prize map content and just fix the game, because at the rate they're currently going, the game probably isn't even going to make it a year... which is really sad. I hope they can redeem this game. Hopefully they'll fix ops mode, and everything else, and my friends can start playing it again and enjoy it for the game it was meant to be
Hey Nunny, yeah I think you might be right about that, a lot of games at the moment seem to be releasing in a half finished state and the devs are just like yeah we'll fix that later :/ Yeah I think you're right initially I don't think the no variants bothered people too much, but yeah the other elements of the game didn't really helped - and yeah content was put in really fast but fizzled out quite quickly :/ In terms of the prize map I think you make a good point about if you make the game too grindy so people have to play it constantly or not complete the prize maps it can just turn them away - but yes overall I think you made some great comments and Popcap/EA have a lot of work to do to try and turn the game around - I hope they do it as I still find the game enjoyable but yeah so many people have gone back to GW2 it's crazy - but thanks for your comment, I love hearing people's opinions :D
I agree with these points. Personally i think the biggest problem with BFN is that it doesn't FEEL like the last 2 shooter games. Usually with most shooter sequels it still feels like the game before it, just with new maps, guns, maybe new gameplay mechanics etc... (like how GW1 and GW2 still feel similar.) But with BFN it seems like they just built the game from the ground up and so it doesn't even feel or even look like the games before it. Like seriously im not sure what it is but something just feels off about BFN's movement, controls and aiming. And not to mention the lack of varients makes the game feel so stale after a while. And its a shame because the legendary upgrades in my opinion have some really cool ideas, like the Super Brainz one. Anyway hopefully that all actually made sense lol.
Tbh I really think this game was a time save, as the features they left out were ones that take a lot of effort, for example character variants take a while to balance. My assumption is that they are currently making the GW3 games and have been for a while, and just decided to make this game to stall, because the GW games take a lot of effort
Yeah don’t get me wrong I’m still enjoying the game, I find it fun 😊 I think a lot of the time it’s easy for people to just jump on the hate wagon, when objectively the game isn’t bad 😊
Luckily they're adding private play. I've REALLY missed that. I used to play around with custom gamemodes ect with my friends. Good times. It's been missing but at least I'm getting excited over the game again.
I wouldn't be surprised if Prize Maps became paid cosmetic, battle pass-style. Poor BFN. I want to see the game succeed, but.. so far, it just hasn't lived up to the expectations I had. I hope the next PvZ shooter is another Garden Warfare game. Maybe this was the middle release between GW2 and a potential GW3. I'd be happy with that.
I think the game doesn't need variants but the replacement added is really inconsistent. Also I think the game lacks huge maps that allow sniping or using range to your advantage as snipers in the main way of play are near useless
Imo the balance is horrible Long respawn times the attackers get 6 mins each time they get an objective Characters are op and UP They make overwatch balance seem normal
My biggest problem with the game is the low player count. Most matches contain 3 or 4 real players and the rest of the players are bots used to fill up servers.
If that happens I would just back out and find a new one. If that doesn’t work it’s probably either platform or time of day that’s affecting the player count.
if you finish a match with alot of real players, the next one in the same lobby will have many bots bc people quit. If this happens just quit yourself and find a new match
