The Bizarre State of Sony's Spider-Man Universe 

Will do

What music track is used in this video?

I have no intention of seeing Madame Webb. Im sorry, but I feel inundated with women Superhero movies. It's just overdone. I saw the first few, and now Im going to give it a rest.

what a terrible name for a comic

Don't put sponsored content in the middle of the video.

#AviAradOut

Yeah, I mean we got dumpster fire uncle and his boyfriend, Goth Med uncle, Roid Rage Uncle and now Psychic Aunt.

It might be an interesting idea if Spider-Man is the antagonist of these films since the film follows the villain’s perspectives

@@CoOlKyUbI96 some guy who's now has some weird power, so why not do crime? And then they get beaten up by some mouthy 12 year old in a costume more bizarre than theirs..

It worked with venom, because the character its just a black spider man

I wouldn’t be suprused if that’s exactly what it was, and then they realized it was shit and retooled it into a film in order to still make *some* amount of money with the footage they had.

Ayoooooooo🤣

​@@97MultiphantomGiven some of the effects that sounds like it's a possibility.

It looks as cinematic as mcu spidey films and that's saying something

@@nalday2534 nah you need your eyes checked bro.

Well the idea is out there and is unique. If done well it would be commended for being good and unique but sadly the movies themselves are not that good outside of Venom which for me are just decent fun movies I can watch to pass the time. Morbious was lifelessly mid for me and Kraven’s marketing hasn’t done anything for me (radioactive lion really?)

After Batman, they ARE the most iconic rogues gallery in comics. And if Joker and Gotham could pull it off, it's not unreasonable to assume you could make something like that with Spidey foes.

Besides Venom, Doc Ock and Green Goblin I don't think anyone outside of comic fans cares about any of them. And even that's a stretch.

@@benwasserman8223maybe movies are just the wrong medium, then

@@Gloomdrake Well we've already had multiple decades of cartoons. Movies are the last place TO explore all these characters.

Visually speaking too. Morbius, Kraven, Madame Web... all look 2004. Catwoman vibes. At least the Venom movies look early 2010s.

At least something like Daredevil had an awesome soundtrack

Also let the VFX artists do their job and not exploit them.

@@katherinealvarez9216 I mean they were always exploited. But two projects vs. 8-10 is just a lot more work.

@@benwasserman8223 true.

Arrowverse and Godzilla were doing a better job at being a cinematic universe than Sony

ahh the monsterverse, somehow the second best cinematic universe behind the MCU, you'd think the spiderman sony stuff or DC or even harry potter would be better at this than the big lizard and big gorilla universe

Exactly, not every cinematic universe needs to have some epic Avengers-esque team up with characters that are blatantly introduced just for that team up. Something like Star Trek did this shit way better decades ago because it was organic storytelling that just so happened to be in the same universe that had all these other characters. You never saw some cringe team up between Picard, Sisko and Janeway because that's not a story, it's a marketing gimmick. And the one time they did try doing something like that (Generations) it was fucking awful and they never tried it again.

@@noobmasterruben5167To be fair, they originally just wanted to make a good Godzilla movie. Which they did. They started the idea of a shared universe with Kong: Skull Island.

@@noobmasterruben5167 arrowverse is shit show 🤣

Post-credits with Galactus making her his herald?

I think this is the remnants of that aunt may spinoff. I heard a report that one of the medics Madame works with is uncle Ben. But idk

Apparently that wasn’t real but who knows.

And what i find fascinating is that whereas the ending of Far From Home started building big, and Peter being way out of his comfort zone and being asked to deal with threats he couldn’t handle, and then Spiderman No Way Home went extremely big but even the MCU were smart enough to end that film by taking him right back to where everyone wanted him in the first place. Just him, in an apartment, by himself, no iron man, right back to his roots. For all the shit MCU gets they knew that they had to bring it back to the core of who spiderman is, and that ending got a lot of ppl excited for the possibilities of your ‘friendly neighbourhood spiderman’ now that no one knows who he is anymore. This is something Sony did not even have the patience to think about, or the brains, when they made a movie about three spiderwomen preventing a clairvoyant spider-dude trying to prevent Peter Parker from existing and making Parker some divine chosen-one spider-person whose existence is crucial to the universe.

Its the same problem Marvel had, which is that people mostly just want Iron Man. So they needed to stick him in everywhere. Otherwise their movies had a much tougher time, unless they fluked into a release with little competition or had a really excellent script. As mentioned, it makes more sense just to have one spiderman a year, and stick your other stuff on streaming services. Kraven the Hunter? Madame Web looked halfway interesting, but tying it into spiderman seemed pointless. But studio executives have little risk so usually are content to just throw shit at a wall and see what sticks. After No Way Home I think it makes more sense to simply go back to making movies with THREE different spidermen in diffferent universes.

do yall not read spider man comics ? he had a whole issues off earth , & in different dimensions many times. it’s just no pleasing ppl like yall

Everybody has an opinion, the problem is that usually creators are reaching when they have to introduce space. He also lead the avengers and all kinds of other shit,but most poeple know the friendly neighbourhood spider man. I WAS going to disagree with that, becasue I thought Homecoming was boring as hell, and Far from Home was way too much 'high school shit'. But then I looked at the box office, and clearly it resonated with a LOT of people. Even Thor and Ant Man were doing under a billion. You have to remember, we're talking about two different studios here.

Homecoming is the most skippable and forgettable MCU film. You could literally go from Civil War to Infinity War and you miss nothing. The whole trilogy was wasted potential. Conflicts should've been way more personal to Peter/Spiderman, and they needed to actually build up his world within the MCU instead of trying to connect everything to the MCU.

Wait they actually have made some good movies

@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390Yeah people act like Sony only ever churns out garbage live action Spider-Man films but…I mean they’ve made like…at least two masterpieces and the others range from average to bad depending on how you classify SM3, the TASM, and Venom films. And me personally I think the others are more average than outright bad.

Seriously, it blows my mind that projects like Into the Spider verse and the Playstation Spiderman games come from the same parent company that greenlit and produced Morbius. Such an insane range of quality

@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390What’s it look like genius! Everyone knows the SpiderVerse animated movies are some of the greatest movies known to cinema and animation! And it was made by Sony of all studios.

@@NathanFromTheCommentsSection It's because Marvel doesn't fuck them over creatively and just let's them at it for those. Things would have been better if they stayed with the original deal they had that these live action Sony movies were in the MCU

Ayooooooo🤣

The spider verse movies are expections.

​@@arnoldreeves2436the comics are.... interesting.....to say the least

“Well written”

Bro Spiderman 2 was trash lol

Uh, what?

What are you talking about?

Schizo moment

​​@@CoOlKyUbI96I think he means Madam Web's mom being killed in the Amazon while researching spiders, But Peter is a baby in that movie, so idk what he's talking about

everyone confused at this is just proof how dumb this trailer line is 😂

And Amy Pascal.

@@radrno7 No. She's not involved in Morbius, Kraven the Hunter, or Madame Web. Just the Venom, MCU Spider-Man, and Spider-Verse movies.

You funny

That's what the audience gets when they reward bad movies with their ticket money. More slop. You'll eat it all and you'll LIKE IT. 💩👹🤬

I blame Lady Gaga fans hyping up her "A Star Is Born" remake by dumping on Venom, making more people see the latter out of spite.

Spider-Man fans are big enough to make any spider movie a success, you mcu fanboys are simply irrelevant for Spider-Man fans

@@LHollan I’m an MCU fanboy because I think the Sonyverse sucks? Huh?

Aside from Spiderverse and the games they barely use him aside from the MCU

#AviAradOut

@lovelaceackah216 So aside from 2 hugely successful movie, 2 popular video games, and appearing in several movies of the biggest movies of all time, they barely use him? That’s what you’re saying? Yes, ok dude, sure.

​@@electronichaarp2835Proof read your comments, Jesus Christ

​@@electronichaarp2835the videogames use a different license, animation largely outsource from outside the company and im betting you they had to for the spiderverse considering how crazy ambitious it was and how short the scheduling was/is, the live action is the crux of the problem because Sony just shits out bad ideas

Maybe it’d make sense for something like earth 42, where we can see a NYC without spider-man that’s in complete turmoil, but not when you’re gonna blow millions of dollars on it lmao

Read Superior Foes of Spider-Man, you won't be disappointed. It's a whole story about Spider-Man's rogues gallery that doesn't feature Spider-Man at all. It's not even about the main ones like Doc Ock or Kraven, it's all B- or C-listers. Despite that it is very entertaining and well-written. Unfortunate that Sony probably won't even come close to its level.

i wish they would've given sweeny lenses spider costumes with revealed eyes look hilariously bad, and you can always do the ripped or removed mask

I don't want Spidey in the multiverses, I don't want Iron Boy from the MCU films, and I've reached a point where I don't want any more adaptations, they're not capable of doing justice to Spider-Man.

@@guilherme5094 NWH was better than the comic it’s based on

@@guilherme5094mcu Spider-Man is independent now

same here, i stop and think about my favorite spiderman stories and none of them really include the multiverse, i kind of hate that spiderman has become the poster boy for the multiverse (he's the poster boy for marvel in general but i just hate that he is soo firmly tied to the multiverse now) at the end of no way home i was excited because spiderman 4 might have been a more simple spiderman story without being iron man's protege, now the rumors are that the next spiderman movie will feature miles and gwen (not gwen stacy but spider gwen) also big portion of spiderman's villains have either already been used, are AWOL (scorpion) or sony is using them

Exactly

Why😂

@@haroldnecmann7040 a lot of the reasons that CM mentioned in the video really... Spider-Man doing big Avengers and multiverse stuff is fine but shouldn't be predominantly what he's doing. Miles' movies more than fill that space at the minute and the MCU has so much potential for Tom to be a great classic Spider-Man now

@@sammcbride4305Same, I just want a story with Peter being a friendly neighborhood Spidey. Struggling to balance his life as Peter/Spider-Man No multiverse, no Miles. At least for now. Just Peter doing what he always does. Doing the right thing

@@FatKratos69 I think in an ideal world you get Tom for a third trilogy, introduce Miles at the end of the sixth movie and have the third trilogy be the pair of them before Tom's Peter takes a step back because Miles has it covered

@@sammcbride4305 It's entirely possible. Peter is slowly starting to get recognized as the adult Spider-Man. What fans have wanted for so long. Miles can be the teenage Spider-Man It depends on Tom and sales. I don't have much faith continuing forward though. Sony is terrible at live action and the MCU has been extremely stale or garbage post NWH. I also hope it's not a crossover, heard some Daredevil rumors a while back.

Theres only a singular writter? I figured a script would have like a couple of writers 2-3 where they would make a script and in the scenes where they dont agree the director would be a tiebreaker bqsed on what he thinks would work and what he could direct.

​@@UncleForHire Some scripts have several writers, but I believe that's usually because someone wrote the initial script and then other writers work on it afterwards (Joss Whedon did a lot of this after his Marvel work, I believe) Also, I doubt most studios are comfortable giving directors the ability to do that... only like top top directors would be allowed to do something like that, I would think (and several of them also write so that makes some sense... guys like Nolan, Cameron, Spielberg, Scorsese, etc.)

​@@UncleForHireKelly Marcel also wrote Cruella, Saving mister Banks and Terra Nova. Morbius writers were actually shitty. Two of the Kraven's writers were involved in Iron man and uncharted but their other movies are not good. Kraven's third writer wrote Equalizer trilogy and other good/okay action movies.

@@dammagrilla so a direct that isn't known has to work with shit scripts and take the rep hit when the movie bombs, sounds like a raw deal

Keep in mind that there are tons of comics outside of Marvel/DC that have absolutely nothing to do with superheroes. I'd absolutely recommend starting reading comics in general as you're bound to discover a lot of different stories from across different genres and art styles that could be to your liking. Another reminder in case you stumble upon the term: "graphic novels" are the same thing as "comics". It's just a marketing trick the legendary Will Eisner used to get people to take comics more seriously (as they deserve to).

Just don't buy it, the state of comic now is terrible

As someone who used to collect mostly Marvel and of those Marvel comics mostly spiderman, I would advise caution. Counterintuitively, as the superhero/comicbook genre of movies have become more lucrative, actual comics have gone on the decline hugely. If you look at Marvel's business model for example, it seems that they are focussed on creating marketable enough stories and characters to be used as fodder for the MCU. All this to say two things: 1) this is about to be a niche hobby and niche hobbies are expensive. Comic shops are few and far between and so your best bet is to go to somewhere like a Forbidden Planet or another big chain store to get started, and they will cost a pretty penny. 2) the quality of stories you find may not be worth the money you spend on the hobby. Remember many comics are sealed in a plastic envelope, so there is no 'try before you buy' element to picking one up like with manga or novels. Maybe if you stick to the older more prestige stories that you get in like, the big compilations like the Marvel Definitve series but when it comes to the newer stories, what with the cynical direction that Marvel has gone in, you might find yourself disappointed, especially if you are going to be seeking out Spiderman specifically. There are a few exceptions, like the last I checked they were doing some really fun and fresh stuff with the X-Men, but if its Spiderman you want then prepare for heartbreak. Another thing, its gonna be hard for you to just jump into Marvel like that. Marvel more than any other line, including DC follows this continuous soap opera approach to story telling. Basically most every plot point you read will tie back into some other plot point. If you ever try to just jump into an episode of Eastenders or Hollyoaks, you will find yourself in a similar position to reading a Marvel comic. Kudos to them that they do make an effort to clue you in on the story so far and what is going on, but those efforts have become decreasingly useful as time has gone on. If you get overly obsessed with finding out what the hell is going on, you will find yourself poring over issues from like 5 years ago, because yes they will reference material from that far back and from comics that arent even in the same run as the comic you are currently reading. This isnt like reading a manga where, no you cant really just start in the middle and know what is happening, but at the same time there is a chapter 1 so that you can start at the beginning and catch up, Marvel does not have a beginning, there is nowhere for you to jump on so that you can get your bearings and you'll have to make your peace with that. Maybe you open an issue and Iron Man is evil today. Maybe you open an issue and the X Men have established a colony on Mars with magic plants and are doing a Game of Thrones/Dune type thing off by themselves removed from any other characters. Maybe you open an issue and those two references are several months or years outdated. And you just have to be like "okay. Im fine with this. This is what we're doing."

none of the spider woman have a direct tie in with Spider-man but there are still cheaping these characters.

Nah, the Black Cat comics by Jed Mackay do a great job of touching on her character without a connection to Spider-Man. The problem is that Sony doesn't have good enough writers to doit.

Superhero cinema is right at the point where Westerns were right before the Western bust of the 1960s. I expect a bursting of the superhero bubble in the next few years and I don’t really know what is going to come after it.

​@@terranceramirez4816video game adaptations arr the next Hollywood gold rush, and they are bound to become cringe once they become woke after Chris pratt gets canceled

Spider-Man is actually the world's most popular super hero. Above Superman, Batman, everyone. In terms of popularity polling, consistent sales, as well as just pure revenue.

@@Eidlones I don't know how true that still is today, but in the last 4 or 5 decades the Spider-Man comics were used as a direct measure of the overall health of the U.S.' comic industry. That's how popular he was.

​@@Eidlones I think people just see them different. They usually refer to "hey, I'm not Superman, I can't do everything" or "boy scout" jokes, while you have the "I'm Batman" or "dark and broody" jokes. Spider-Man is used more for "kid that has to pay bills" or "thwip" jokes. But all of them share the "super orphan" jokes lol

Look if we were going for a comic-accurate Madame Web, she would have been a Helen Mirren type.

Isn't there a younger version of madam web in the comics already

@@Shift_Salt Julia Carpenter yeah. But that's Sydney Sweeny's character in the movie.

repeating the morbin time bit this isn't even memeing, smcu is so bad its degrading the quality of the memes ab it

@@tropiccheekssnah you’re just a hater

@@LHollan hater of sony mcu or hater of the morbin time shitposts? bc i'd love to see what they do with madame web, i got tired of morbin time when they started making spider-verse morbin jokes over a year later, it was a nice nod/poke in the movie when miles was describing miguel but "my favorite part is when miguebious morbed all over gwen, the whole audience cheered" is a new pickle rick i declare

Making a good movie takes Effort, something studios arent willing to put

okay, c'mon lol do you both seriously think everyone involved with these movies explicitly went in thinking "okay let's make this a dogshit movie lol" Bad media isn't exclusively made by people who are lazy or untalented or not trying and I'm really tired of seeing this sentiment

@Plain--Jane When I say "These people" I mean the higher ups. Sure it's a culmination of alot of individuals work but the bottom line is there is a severe lack of quality control going on in the mcu right now. and honestly hollywood in general. There is obviously some sort of an issue here. Nothing will be done about it If we defend these people.

@@Plain--Jane of course the people that make them expect it to be good but there so delusional that it fails miserably

@banquetoftheleviathan1404 he’s the ex president of marvel before fiege. He’s pretty much responsible for sm3 having to many characters, the asm franchise failing, and the Spider-Man less universe. I think he has some sort of creepy ego.

Typical mooslim

i wish this was real...

While it’s cool to think abt the MCU miles wouldn’t be the ATSV miles. Miles has been teased in the MCU and we just have to wait until marvel is allowed to make their own. We see in the movies that you don’t actually change appearances when in other universes so it would just be horrifying to have a cartoon character fight with real people.

"and the animated Spider-Verse films become MCU canon" If anything, it should be the other way around. The MCU has to earn the honor of becoming canon in the Spider-Verse films as those are far superior. Not that I want any of that, as the Spider-Verse is fine as its own thing.

Amazing fantasy 😉

@@cormano64 you say that like there’s more than two. One was good. The second was nothing but good animation

Same bro

Honestly I would just wait and see, those scoopers on the internet give out shitty fake rumors for years so I don’t really believe their bullshit anymore

#AviAradOut

Ayoooooo🤣

There's a Spider-Man who lives in India in the second Spider-Verse movie, but I can't think of any other country swap Spider-Man stories off the top of my head.

Marvel 1602 which is 8 issues , Spider-Man : India which is 4 issues, Spider-man 2099 which has multiple collected volumes, Spider-man Noir has two collected mini series, and you can get Spider-verse trade paper back which has multiple spider people in it.

​@@jagnestormskull3178And it's not like that version of India is reflective of the Modi regime.

No, we can't. I do not want the Sony BS touching the MCU, even with the MCU seemingly collapsing in front of our eyes, ever.

@@babystacks Real

They cannot tie Spider Man with Kingpin or Daredevil without Marvel's involvement and that means spliting the profits.

@@sathrielsatanson666kingpin and black are Sony properties, kingpin is a shared character

@@LHollan yeah, my bad, I wasn't sure if Fisk first appeared in ASM.

Rick and Morty also did a pretty good episode about that as its season 4 premier. "I WILL die OLD!"

Sony Purposely Botching one of Nitentdo’s most beloved franchises on the big screen? They would never.

In all fairness, the Sony PlayStation was gonna be a CD add-on for the SNES before talks broke down over distribution rights. So hopefully Nintendo doesn’t give them enough room to make a dumpster fire of Zelda as extra revenge.

@@anthonyklecha6002 yeah but all that did was encouraged Sony to go their own route and compete against them lol. The battle for the distribution rights is arguably why we have sony exclusive consoles today.

nintendo had a ton of say in the mario movie and I think they have the same amount of control. i still have worries.

@@jamoretz9149 okay 😊

I'd be genuinely hyped if Sony announced a Big wheel movie. There's no way in Hell that Sony's executives would ever push for it to happen, so the only way it would happen would be if some writer or director just genuinely had a compelling idea for it. The Andor effect, as I like to call it.

No, you aren’t.

aaand there's still the Scorpion, the Shocker, and perhaps even a Rhino (i'm guessing)

@@joeschianodicola1810 could even have his own Ock and even Mr Negative. Hell I can see Kraven or Sandman jumping in.

Or villain they didn't use in previous films like Alistair Smythe, Jackal or a mafia crime like Hammerhead or Tombstone, even introduce Black Cat or Silver Sable.

@@pabliyurs7688 i think now's the best time to introduce Black Cat, since Peter's lost his relationship with MJ. I think it would be a cool dynamic to see, with a new love interest for Spider-Man while Peter still has feelings for MJ who no longer remembers him.

I think people are just tired of bad, comic book movies and hoping that Sony and Disney let up on the content farm. If it's good, they'll come; if it sucks then they'll stay away.

@@banquetoftheleviathan1404ain’t that the truth, it’s been a few years since they’ve been as good. A few good ones mixed in but overall most have been meh since the “new 52” bs

How you like it

IMO there is actually a really obvious move they could make that would make a lot of people happy and earn them a lot of money. Do Amazing Spider-Man 3 with Andrew Garfield and Spider-Man 4 with Tobey Maguire and Sam Raimi. After No Way Home, I feel like audiences could handle multiple Spider-Man film franchises and understand that these are alternate universes. Sony could release an actual Spider-Man movie every year this way. The only potential problem I can see is if their deal with Marvel to let Spider-Man be in the MCU has some sort of clause that says they can't make their own Spider-Man films about Peter Parker (which is why they are focusing on Miles and the villains).

It has the writers from "Transformers: The Last Knight" If you saw Morbius, then you can expect the exact same result with Kraven All thanks to Avi Arad

You need higher standarts.

😂 haha good one 👌

I'd honestly rather they go do something else. I wanna see what new things they can do, with new weird ideas no one expects anything from.

I think you hit the nail on the head. (Or perhaps strummed the right string of the web). I feel like Keven Feige was always hoping to do what you suggest, but I don't think Amy Pascal did. I think Pascal is the problem as far as the relationship between the two studios, but at the same time, there were other executives who would have never cooperated at all. You would think that after the success of no way home they would simply build a Garfield multiverse up a bit more. "I want to fight an alien," - but this plan was in motion since before No Way Home and they have stubbornly stuck to it.

Big if true

so you're saying Loki should have something to do with fixing the multiverse through the spiderverse.... if they were smart. The problem is sony is trying to do their own thing. If these movies are not sucessful, they will pull Spidey from the MCU and try to do their own movies again. Which would be better for spiderman but suck for the MCU

@@writingrefmove that Loki provides Spider-Man a window into the spider verse, which would allow them to connect all the Sony stuff togeather while having some continuity. And since they use tech to travel and not magic, it isn’t going to be character dependent. Not to mention, Spider-Man is a tech guy, not a magic guy so this fits better.

I mean, the Spider-Verse movies have given them like 10+ Spider-people for the price of two.

@@benwasserman8223 At this point thier problem is... well... making sure those movies are Good. See also casting 'method actor' Jarad Leto as Morbius.

I thought this too but it's made me think that they may have agreed with Marvel to introduce her in the MCU films. I can't see why else she wouldn't have her own film before even Madam Web!

Apparently despite Bad Bunny leaving the project, Sony still wants to continue with it.

Yeah people talking about what they know, 😅 but hey this video was made to put hate on Sony so it works for him to pretend done stuff

or that this guy hasn't read every modern spider-man comic.@@LHollan She isn’t exactly in every issue.

This! Everyone would pay to see live action Miles Morales, Ghost Spider, Spider-Man 2099 and Noir.

My thing is both versions are blind , it comes with the powers. Julie Andrews is a great choice. Mine was Jamie Lee Curtis.

Thats an excellent question to add to it why is there a Mary Parker , but no Richard Parker? Also how are they going to get their powers since they all get them differently in the books. Can't belive they rasied Mattie from the dead, although they did race swap her. I a Anya fan too ,I still have her first run,and she did have a descent role in the cartoon show.