The Brilliance of The Indie Animation Renaissance 

Yeah she is great, she didn't deserve the dumb people trying to sabotage her and those sick idiota that doxxed her along with viv during the glitch livestream

@@Haphu15 I'm sorry they got doxxed???

@jaydenc367 yes gooxe and viv both, during the glitch livestream people were spamming the doxxed information of them both on chat and thus the chat had to be shutdown

Same

@@Haphu15 Geez...that's horrible. That's like the second time it happened to Viv I think too.

Is it ok if I ask you some questions at some point? I have dreams of making something like this but sadly I lack the money, time and team.

Hey, great show you and your co-workers have made! lookong forward to more

Wow, really?? Dude! THANK YOU for helping to bring us Monkey Wrench, I love the show and can't wait for more. The writing on the show is stellar and getting better every episode. The latest episode, Us and Them, made me cry and then laugh multiple times. That shit's hard, man. You and Josh are knocking it out of the park. Please keep it coming as long as you can! As long as I have money I will contribute as much as I can to keep you going.

Monkey Wrench became a top favorite for me since I first discovered it in November, and each episode keeps getting better and better, you guys really are making something very special.

LOVE your show!

Your audience becomes your boss directly. And we all know how 'grateful' audiences can be.

*I AGREE!!!~* 😎💜🎖️

@@Hypogean7definitely a double edged sword! On one hand, actively engaging with your audience can be great! You can actively update your audience on your projects, you can actively take part in fandom discussions, etc. But of course, all of that is also dangerous if not careful. Obviously there are those crazy fans who want to involve themselves in everything you do, and can spread rumors which get people angry or overhyped, and of course…we all know how fandoms can turn from wholesome and welcoming, albeit a bit goofy, to toxic and dangerous in all the worst ways! It’s all a balancing act. You can’t let fandom control your life, but you also can’t completely ignore them either, if you want to let people know you’re not Batman or whatever.

The glories of entrepreneurial capitalism.

@@drewo.127another thing: by having a studio distribute your project, it lets you have a bigger budget with more talented people but with less control. However independently you can have full creative control but you have a smaller budget and you might not get the most talented people to work with

It always warms my heart whenever I see appreciation for Monkey Wrench. It’s personally not my most favored show out there, but the animation work and storytelling is incredible beyond belief! Everyone working on the show deserves more credit than they’re getting, honestly. You can tell they put in so much work and effort into this show, and that’s the main reason why I love it.

I know right?! Monkey Wrench deserves way more attention!

It deserves to be up there with the amazing Digital Circus, and HH/HB

How about Scorchwater Valley?

It's my favorite of the indie shows

i really do think its best if future animator's stay indie cause, cause recently a,lots companies have been showing multiple times they can't be trusted with animation.

@@jskywalker58 and the more people who join the indie scene, the more powerful it is. The Digital Circus's success has probably surpassed any animated show made by a major studio in the past 5 years

​@jskywalker58 going indie doesnt cover rent lol

@@mariastevenson9227 Does Glitch and Vivziepop not pay their animators or...? Lackadaisy also recently raised 2 million for their season

​@@ScooterCat64Cough Invincible cough. But yeah I get it.

Unfortunately while I do genuinely enjoy the animation, the general unprofessionalism maintained by the crew and the rumors of transphobia swirling around one of the primary artists (not 100% sure if that's true or not) makes it impossible for me to put my support behind the series. I won't judge anyone that does but you won't see me giving Lackadaisy another penny of support.

I find it totally awesome that you managed to enjoy it, but as someone who also had no previous knowledge of Lackadaisy as well as being a film major, I think it's one of the worst pilots I've ever seen. I had absolutely no idea what was going on outside of basic on screen actions and had no idea what the characters were like or what they wanted. For me you don't get a pass in character creation just by showing em acting crazy and blowing stuff up with a big goofy smile, or being scared timid and shy, or another acting suave direct and professional. All that you can get across in still images drawn by a 12 year old. So to finally have the ability to give us a small introduction into who they really are without needing a thesaurus worth of information, you need to go beyond the basics of "here's the crazy one, here's the scared one, here's the edgy one" which normally wouldn't matter AS much in a pilot, but in the case of Lackadaisy where I'm expected to immediately be hooked by the atmosphere and characters, it does matter. It's the difference between something like Ed, Edd, n Eddy and something like Steven Universe: One's very basic, fun, simple, and goofy with little to no arching storylines while the other is emotionally driven, complex, and overarching with nearly all of it's characters and stories. Lackadaisy falls into the second category with a pilot that falls into the first, leaving the audience with a choppy and mashed together product

@@Randomyoutuber-4831 it was actually a complete nonissue. Vivzie shouldn't have gone public with lackadaisy pulling her credit and should have instead messaged tracy. Also the director is trans masc and I counted multiple trans and non-binary people in the staff. This "drama" was of a person liking 2 tweets cause i guess they forgot about bookmarking. The actual animator themselves came out to say that sports shouldnt be gendered in the first place and should include people of all gender identities. The rumours about transphobia were entirely false and basically just people making a mountain out of a molehill. never trust random twitter users information to be true

@@fellowspacemarine6657 The way you called Lackadaisy a "product" made me cringe in agony

@@Xenderman She did message Tracy. But things didn't work out and her only option was to explain what happened publically, otherwise people would have started accusing her of pulling her support for one reason or another and that the original donation was only for clout. Secondly, while the transphobia claims are debatable it doesn't change the fact that the same artist not only made accusations that Viv was only donating to Lackadaisy for clout and publicly called the HB/HH fandom 'Viv shits' with screenshots to prove it. Both of which are WILDLY unprofessional behaviors. As did Tracy's blocking spree that soon followed.

Most fandoms are if you delve deep enough. The bigger the IP the less digging is required.

​@@bazzfromthebackground3696no shit if you dive deep enough everything becomes shit but we're talking about how the shit part in the idie stuff like these are usually on the surface

So does pretty much every fandoms in every forms of media. There are always be bad apples that rots the barrel.

you know something a lot of people don't bring up is that some of the poeple who hate on fandoms are a bit toxic themselves@@poweroffriendship2.0

@@poweroffriendship2.0no? What are you people talking about lmao

I don't think you were wrong for prematurely judging something, we all do. But we must be open minded enough for changing our judgement later on.

i couldn't care less about the show for similar reasons until i watched it I had no idea it was gonna be an existential horror type thing and i was pleasantly surprised i most certainly wish to see more from them still don't get why it got as popular as it did though

I kinda feel bad for Skibidi toilet man…the shit literally got 12 billions fucking views made by 1 dude just casually carried the entire indie animation on its back as a whole yet because people are acting like who you used to be it got misunderstood and not being treated as an “indie animation” but rather “garbage” like you said

i was initially turned off by the "terminally online" way it had going on, on top of its vaguely horror-mascot-adjacent aesthetic. like as if it had one foot in Helluva Boss/Hazbin Hotel territory and the other on FNAF knockoff territory even if it wasn't a game. even after watching and liking it it still has that terminally online feel

@@angel_of_rust can you explain the terminally online feel?

Keep going.

Definitely keep at it!

It really is great to see i know evrything has a bad side but I'm really happy animators get to have fun and shine and get applauds for their works. I hope you keep having fun and work hard to get what you want ons day. Good luck! ♡

From one animator & cartoonist to another, you got this. If I can start up my own indie animated web series all by myself, than you definitely can be an inspiring cartoonist for your very own projects. Plus, there is a whole animation community out there full of talented people who you can gain inspiration and advice from Keep reaching for your dreams.

I get what you mean; I have so many cool ideas I want to do, but due to the state I'm in; not having the right equipment to make them, let alone enough money to even afford it, keeps putting me down and mentally drained all the time. But when seeing these indie-animation projects coming to reality through it all gives me a a bit of motivation to keep going, thinking that if they can do it, so can I.

Same goes to me. There are so few mainstream animation projects right now that seeing many of these has reignited my interest in the medium

Same here! I recently bought a second laptop tricked out with 1 TB of memory, PLUS an expansion card with an additional 1 TB, to use in tandem with my regular MacBook Pro and iPad to help me work on projects that may be too processor heavy for just one computer. (I.e. something using Blender’s Cycles Render engine…and maybe some interactive gameplay components built in Godot! (Pronounced “Guh-Doh”)

I too want to learn but I need alot of work and help from others.

Same too! I can't wait for the indie renaissance to flourish and hope that animation will rise again!

same

Interesting view!

I feel like both are fairly flawed ways to do it. Unless they had their extremely high quality animation to back it up, the pilots would have likely been forgotten

okay before I point out why that's HORRIBLE I won't bc honestly if you don't see what's "wrong" with that inherently I would just be wasting my breath.

@@Crona_Gowther_Kanato Uhh you can disagree with that approach, I do as well, it creates so many holes in the storytelling aspect- but creating a pilot with your target audience already being established isnt as horrible as you claim. thats like saying a song written to thank fans has weak writing simply bc it doesnt do anything beyond expressing gratitude. You should evaluate someones creative work based on what they were trying to accomplish, and how well they managed that. Lackadaisy accomplished exactly what the animators intended it; a love letter to fans that brought beloved comic characters to life. I havent read the comic, so I share similar confusions and critiques with the episode. Ignoring artists intent is one way to analyze things- a very popular evaluation method for writing especially since many great authors died before stating their intentions. when it comes to indie animation I feel this evaluation method falls apart, as the intentions and goals of the artist are generally integral to getting the full picture. From something produced from a small community of people, understand the goals of those people should be a factor in how you critique their work.

Literally how did he miss it 😭??

*Shrike.

Hello sword heart

I'm currently working on my own show! it's all wrote, voiced and animated by me and it's taken years!

Hey I just saw a truly indie animation. It's going for an early 2000s anime feel its called the mutant Busters versus Bird Death #1

Oh, I forgot about that one! I kinda floated away from it for a while, but I still like it. It's so creepy, and I love that! Also, Mischief is an absolute blast.

I agree, to me indie animation was always a place for bangers

I don't think it's meant for quality and more for how many eyes are on them. And the financial viability of course

The closest ”dark era” for indie animation that I can think of or feel fits the title would prob be when youtube switched from valuing the watch time of a video to how many videos you put out in a certain amount of time, which in turn killed alot of the animators on youtube since animation takes a long time to make and by the time they got something out the animation wouldnt perform so well since they hadn’t been uploading anything else during the time they were making the animation.

@@Croissantum Don't you mean when RU-vid changed the algorithm from favoring videos based on how many clicks it got to how long it was watched by the viewers?

Yeah that might’ve been it actually, my bad. But as for the change in algorithm to focus more on frequent uploaders I do think that is something that still affects animators on youtube to this day

Who else does he voice?

@@kingofcards9516 Apparently on Death Battle he voiced Goku Black and Asta

​@@kingofcards9516Rocky in Lackadaisy, angel dust in the hazbin pilot, N in murder drones... HE DOES ALOT.

DARLY BOXMAN LOVED BUT FORGOTTEN

​@@kingofcards9516If I remember correctly, going beyond what others have said, he voiced SMG0 and Niles, both halves of Zero from SMG4. And he was phenomenal as Niles.

Well, it's technically a parody of Nintendo characters from an intellectual property, and Star Fox character are not Matthew's own character. However, an original independent project Matthew wanted to do is called The Violence after he's done with Fox In Space Episode 3. he said it himself that he doesn't always want to make a cartoon based on a already existing franchise. He wants to be original.

I am said friend and I can confirm this statement 🐝

Love Autodale and Dinosauria, and Sauria is shaping up to be pretty great too!

It is unfortunate. It seems underdiscussed compared to other popular web animations for some reason. It's community is large but it hasn't spread as far

@@board-qu9iudidn’t expect to see you here

@@Dots321 Oh hello Dots. Nice seeing you here

Glad to see someone mention it. There's also Inanimate Insanity, Brawl of the Objects, Object Terror, among others.

@@ExtremeWreck ONE should probably be watched at some point after watching a few object shows

OH MY GOD I LOVE NO EVIL... ITS SIMPLY GORGEOUS

i really hope this rise of indie web animation can start a revival of indie Cel-Animation on the internet

And Freedomtoons, and Tutweezy and co.

They're 4Chan users ,what did you expect?

If I knew what any of those acronyms meant, your post might actually mean something to me.

@@Lexivor they're shortening of the season's names, because they're too long. Battle For Dream Island (BFDI) is the show in question, Battle For Dream Island Again (BFDIA) is the second season, Battle for BFDI is the fourth (BFB), and The Power Of Two is the fifth (TPOT).

Yess

what's wrong with the fandom's

@@jskywalker58 Well, it's everything. Toxic fandoms have been a thing for years.

care to give an example@@poweroffriendship2.0

I think there should be IC-0n and Tord but ok. Also I would change the epithet rep to Giovanni because he's the only character who's there for the entire series

I feel like Lackadaisy gets a free pass considering it’s just a pilot. The same can’t be said however for shows like Helluva Boss that people seem to treat as some untouchable gift to the world just because it’s on RU-vid instead of a streaming platform

The news of the first season will give a proper introduction to these characters.

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