@@ZackSNetwork really depends on what she plays. Around 2-3 years ago i had a pc with an amd A6 6600k which windows regognized as a one core CPU. I could not play anything after 2010 and i would have been extremely happy to get an rx 470 with a ryzen 5 1200. And would still be pretty happy as the video showed it can still play most stuff decently well. And also consider tze sister got it handed down. It was free and she can earn money if she wanted something better in most cases.
1200 was not my first build but was a pervious build, Then I went to 3600, Then as I was replacing my cooler one day I bent and broke some pins on it like the 'opposite of a chad' I am lol. left myself in a mess with really bad timing, I needed a CPU straight away.. So then I walked into my local second hand store and bought the only CPU they had for AM4 that was not below a 3600... The 5800x, And paid almost full retail price! Yeah that hurt no lie, But on the plus side I ended up with a decent upgrade.. I guess lol. - I did make a few dollars back from selling the dead 3600, Every penny counts and all that jazz.
@@ZackSNetwork not entirely true, the ryzen 5 1600 and 2600 are OK when put in combo with low-end or older gpu's such as the GTX 1060 6 GB or RX 580 4/8 GB. I had a ryzen 5 2600 and replaced it recently with a 5700x, with a 5700 XT I notice differences, especially in games like Warzone 2.0, but in games that depend less on the CPU there isn't a big difference, I notice an improvement regarding avg fps
At the time of it's re-release the 1600AF was a thing and way better of a buy. But honestly even the 1600AF was still only good as an entryway to AM4, the single core speed is still decent for PS4 era games but nowadays with used 5600 pricing it's REALLY difficult to justify going for any lower end CPU if you have an AM4 mobo.
The 1600AF is almost a duplicate of the 2600 in performance with refined Ryzen 1 on 12nm, a solid CPU. It does have a later manufacturing process that gives it a bump over early 2600. I believe the memory controller is still gen 1. I have one of the last made 2600X manufactured in Dec. 2019. The maturity of that late process gives it a slight edge over early made 2600X, it holds 4.2Ghz OC stable on a 3200MHz Samsung B Die RAM using the wraith Prism cooler from a 3900X. It soundly beat 3600 stock CPU-Z scores when I went 4.3Ghz. It was stable but a bit much for the cooler and MC for everyday.
Got myself a 1600AF and I'm still rocking it, not a bad cpu it still holds up pretty well even with demanding games. Paired it with a 5600xt and 3 years later the combo does solid for 1080p
@@bodasactra i would assume the memory controller would affect memory speed ? if thats the case can confirm thats not the case as my 1600 AF is stable with 3200mhz cl15 and has been for 3 years, the chip clocks pretty good but ive left it at 4.0ghz but honestly cant remember the current voltage settings however in the past 4.0ghz @ 1.275V 4.2ghz @1.35V stock 3.7ghz @ 1.05V highest stable single core OC i could get 4.275ghz @ 1.42V ( DONT DO THIS LOL ) temps were mid 60s at that voltage for me so yea not ideal
I'd love to see a modern video on the 5675. It's a overclocking beast and when I upgraded to a 5600x. The 5600x was exactly double the speed of my 4.8 ghz 5675
I currently have a X5675 @ 4.0GHz in my main PC. The one I have is a bad bin one so I'll switch back to my previous X5670 whenever I bother to take off the cooler. I still use a GTX 960 2GB which I've had since 2016 but I recently bought an old GTX 1080 and I'm waiting for it to arrive. I do have a OEM system (HP Z400) where I can put the X5675 and not worry about it being a bad bin, and get my X5670 back from it
Yeah I have dual X5690s in my 4,1 Mac Pro and dang they perform pretty stinkin good. The RX 580 8GB I currently have in there doesn't do them justice. Also little bit of self promo but I made a video benchmarking the dual X5550s and dual X5690s on the Mac Pro 4,1. Its on my second channel which is Dimond Does Tech if you are interested.
AMD's integrated GPUs have basically allowed me to play even basic games these last 12 years. First the Llano A3850 (worked for 8 years), now my 3200G. With the current hellscape of high GPU prices I still think an AMD IGPU is the way to go.
You should try used markets, Earlier i thought 3rd world country had bad used market but it actually isnt that bad when you go in small communities that solely do buying selling used pc components
I prefer odd basic games ;P More seriously- integrated graphics have improved a lot recently- I think this channel has a few videos testing integrated graphics and they always surprise me with how much better they are compared to what they were just a few Years ago!
i remember building my first SFF PC around my ryzen 3 1200 with a 1060 6 gb in 2017. seems like forever ago cause i've built a handful of PCs since then.
My first totally custom PC made by me was built with an R3 1200. I easily clocked it at 3.7GHz with 1.14V and it was very very cool even with the stock cooler. At one point a got a 120mm AIO from a friend and the CPU didn't reach more than 45º even when OC'ed @3.9GHz It was a very cool processor, probably the coolest I have ever owned (during winter there where days that it was idling, browsing the web with some documents open, at 23º ) It helped me go by for a long time doing whatever I need even with some limitations and some patience. I eventually upgraded it to a R5 1600af and I still have this system lying around. The R3 1200 is a personal favourite
Meanwhile I'm still rocking a 4.8 Ghz 4790k from 2014 paired with a 5700xt. Still get 60+ fps at 1440p in most games maxed out. Of course it wasn't a budget CPU when I bought it, though they're cheap these Days. I usually sell parts to help pay for an upgrade but I'm never getting rid of this PC- I love this thing way too much! I love your videos, another nice one!
@@tobster786 I was at 4.6 before diliding and it got into the 80s under load. Now it never gets above 70 while going faster, I've ran some benchmarks at 5 but it's not stable enough to run it like that permanently, even with reasonable temps.
@@takehirolol5962 Depends on the game- Elden ring Maxed I get between 60-75 (fps unlocked), in CP2077 I get 50-60 on med-high mixed. Those are the newest games I play. Part of why I haven't upgraded yet is because I've slowly migrated toward indie games that can run on a potato, it's probably just me but mainstream stuff feels a lot more generic as time goes on.
I feel the Ryzen 5 1600AE/AF is also deserving of a second look, as it somewhat adresses the 1200's poor multicore performance while not being that much more expensive in the used market
1200 is a special CPU to me. Got me to 60fps pretty much locked in Dark Souls 3. Coming from 860k on FM2, Ryzen was godsent. Left in the dust now but I'll never forget.
Still rocking a r5 1400 paired with a 1060 in one of my builds. I mostly use it for esports so it’s still perfectly serviceable. Would love to see it featured here.
I still have two R3-1200 chips. I use one of them mostly for updating AM4 motherboard BIOSs brought to me by customers. The other one is inside a "pizza box" style desktop case along with a Radeon 550 2GB, 8GB of RAM and a 128GB OEM WD SSD, running Linux quite cheerfully.
I had once bought a R3 1200 from a guy, who was selling his old pc parts untested with some bent pins in very low price (around 10 pounds). I fixed the bent pins and it works perfectly, using it to have some fun on overclocking and testing different things until I was moving home and put it aside. Maybe I would use it to build a living room entertainment PC based on it, pairing it with my old GTX 1050 ti.
Hardware Unboxed has been doing videos on Nvidia VS AMD driver overhead on the CPU. If you paired that processor with Radeon RX 6600 or maybe even a little higher it should play those games better. Maybe even the Radeon 5600 XT would yield better results I would say 6500 but that system wouldn't have PCIE 4.0 x4 so you'd be bandwidth limited
I have RX5600 XT runing on old Xeon W3670 that have similar multicore performance as Ryzen 1200@3,9GHz and I have no problem with GPU its utilized at over 90% most of the time @ 1440p
@@stanisawszczypua9076 The 5600XT has a full PCIe 4 x16 connection though. The 6500, 6500XT, 6600 and 6600XT all have PCIe 4 x8 only and running them on a B350 or B450 will bottleneck them.
@@aideka8566 6600 (XT) is indeed PCIe 4 x8, but 6500XT is x4, so it's even lower. The bandwidth is fine for the 6600 even at PCIe 3, but the 6500XT suffers performance drops in that same situation.
I actually have a 1200 and I put it in a build paired with a GTX 960 4GB. That build's sole purpose was for me to play Genshin Impact while in bed (TV setup across the room) at 720p60 high settings. It ran amazing, all things considered TBH.
I used this as my first ryzen cpu in late 2017 i was on a very tight budget after selling my fx 4300 system and i have to say it served me well cause my gpu was a 1050 ti back then so it wasnt much of a bottleneck and i used it 2-3 year before upgrading to ryzen 5 6 core 12 thread
I was in FX6300, then sold it to get an i7 4770k, and now I'm on a 5700x. My budget was very very tight back then, but since I started working things got better. The FX served me for a lot of time, some 5 to 6 years. It's still a good CPU for most basic tasks like browsing and editing documents.
Grab a used 5600 if they are available in your market. I was able to sell four of my 1600AF for about $60-70 after a couple of years of use. Found 5600 for $106 not long after they first were released.
I picked an R3 1200 on release to see what Ryzen was about. Superb CPU for the time, and more importantly, what the upper tiers did to Intel and thus innovation in the space.
My first processor for my PC in 2018. Sold the PC in 2019. Had remorsed since then but now with a more powerful setup. Good nostalgic stuff for me though
this was my first multi core chip. great memories. was a huge boost from a 2 core pentium chip i had lol. i had this thing paired with a 1050ti. though now i own a intel chip i intend to go back to ryzen as it just suits my needs more. thanks for the great video. cheers!
you gotta love how Microsoft is killing cpu power off update by update making windows waste system power every way they can there was a time a quad core was all you needed now they are making it insufficient for gaming🤣🤣🤣🤣
This was my main rig CPU back in 2017, after my previous power supply nearly completely destroyed my previous build. That dead power supply killed all my old components except for the ram.
Damn, that's rough. I've had a couple go bad but thankfully haven't had other components go bad as a result- I've been lucky in that sense, it's worth it to spend a bit extra on a decent PSU!
@@manuelmunguia616 It certainly didn't feel like it at the time. lol I was using an AMD Athlon X2 with a Radeon HD 6570. Had it put together back in 2011.
I'm still on a Ryzen 5 1400x with a 1060 I can basically play any game still on it, obviously turning down the settings a bit. Would be pretty cool to see you cover this combo!
My first AM4 CPU and was AMAZING for the time and price, It beats the old FX line at everything. The beauty of the history is that was changed for a Ryzen 5 5600 on the same motherboard and ram; It was a complete revenant . Truly the AM4 socket should be top of any list about best computer platforms of all times.
Tbh I never heard of the 1200AF 😱🤯! As a previous owner of the 1600AF I was very happy with its performance for 1080p gaming. I have since moved on to the 5800X3D for gaming but at least it was a simple bios update and cpu drop in upgrade 💪👍🥳. AM4 is a great platform for many!
Huge difference between a RYZEN 3 and a RYZEN 5. The difference between inadequate and quite good. The difference between 5800X and 5800X3D is swings and roundabouts, the 5800X has more CPU performance but the X3D has faster frame rate. If you already have fast enough frame rate then faster makes no practical difference.
@@helenHTID it depends a bit on the game. some would prefer the higher clocks of the non-3D, some the extra cache of the 3D, and most will be limited by the GPU over both. In planetside 2 the 5800X3D beats the 12900K by 40% and the 13600K by maybe 5-10%
While I do like that youre switching up your editing a bit, I do have to say I prefer the old format for the settings, avg and 1/0.1% fps being at the top of the screen.
I'd like to see how the Ryzen 5 1400 performs these days, I had one of those back in the day and it was a pretty decent chip, maybe the hyperthreading would help it perform quite a lot better in cpu intensive titles?
As someone with a 1700x I can unfortunately say that the difference really isn't that big considering the nice cheap options for GPUs, bout to buy a 5500 since am4 is dead and I just need something to tide me over...just so happens to be a monumental increase in comparison, I wonder how the old 1st gen thread rippers are holding up lul
This is actuallya good ultra budget CPU on the second hand market. You can find it with cooler included for less than 30 euros and the socket is far from a dead socket like all the other options are. The Ryzen 5 1600 ocasionally is cheaper and a better deal over all, but not as often
The boost between 1000-2000 Ryzen and 5000 is pretty nuts. I had a 1700x (release day adopter) and a 2700x. Even a mid range GPU like my Vega 64 got a boost from my 5800x then 5800x3d.
First comment I guess :D, Hello steve! I used to be dreamy about getting this cpu but actually never got amd products. I ended up having i5-11400H in my laptop last year but I remember this cpu being beefy back in the day
When your game looks like a flip book! LOL! I remember finally getting the first CoD Black Ops running on my Pentium4 with HT! 1 core, 2 threads! Like you mentioned, it was like a power point presentation! LOL! Overclocking it helped, but not much! Have a great day, Sir! o7
love the vid really appreciate your content because personally speaking PC gaming as a hobby been quite the interesting ride for me. First real introduction I had with the PC master race was with a laptop that has an igpu that just about allowed me to play assassin's creed 3 on low settings 900p before that I only played flash games. then I was able to obtain an acer laptop with a 7th gen i5 and gtx1050. It is still around but now mostly just used as a portable solution. Didn't feel the need to upgrade anytime soon but then wanted better ergonomics so went and built a desktop with a ryzen 5600g. Man was 2020 wild because I wasn't able to get a GPU for the price I want with the performance I expect. Then saw a 6600XT for sale which was miracle ngl. Fast forward to the Crypto crash and I got me a 3070 and man does ray tracing look good when it works. Right now don't see the need to upgrade and is waiting for the hopefully better priced RTX 50XX GPU (that might ultimately not fit my current case =(. Like for real they need to make more efficient cards!).
:0 my 3200 was the same way , only got to 3.95ghz at the highest . 4ghz was always just out reach and have seen up 4.2 ghz on benchy sites. cache on the smaller chips were around 4 mb , always tying the chips legs . 20 -32mb is about the sweet spot for cache it seems right now with some scaling on the 3dx parts(96 mb cache i believe) .
@@RandomGaminginHD yeah my old desktop has an FX 8320e at 4.2GHz, 16GB DDR 1600, and a GTX 1650 GDDR6. It still runs all modern games at 1080p decently at like medium settings.
@craig71686 for fun I recently reassembled my fx8350 build. Fx8350@4ghz, 16gb ddr3 1866mhz, 4gb rx580, 120gb & 250gb samsung sata ssd's. Despite the chips lifelong bad reputation in Jan 2023 10 years after originally building it most games will run on it fine. The rx580 is also the perfect card to pair with it for a balanced system. Most games when I upgraded to my ryzen 5800x build only ran 15 to 20% faster on the new system with the same gpu. the only extreme outlier was starcraft 2 which saw 167% boost to fps (60 to 160). Any other game though as long as you are sporting a rx580, maybe a 1070/1660ti/5600xt in some titles, the old cpu will serve you well. The only 2 games I would stay away from is cyberpunk or rust.
This was my first Ryzen chip. I paired it with an RX 580 and 8gb of RAM, and it served me well! I went straight from this CPU to a Ryzen 9 3900x so I had the upgrade of a lifetime lol
My wife is using her ryzen 1700x to play hogwarts legacy on a 5700xt gpu, i dont know how well the 4 core 8 thread chip would hold up, but i can tell you the 8 core 16 thread zen 1 cpu's are holding up pretty well, I daily drive a 1800x, though my gaming machine is a 5800x3d/w 6800xt.. the zen1 chips make for fine 1080p 60fps gaming chips. just, not much above that.
Oh dear. I was testing an i5-4570 today and Spider-Man didn't run well, it did that thing where it stops for a moment to load assets before carrying on, but at least it starts the game!
That stupid 4 core 4 thread. I still remember not getting enough fps in. The division 2. Ghost recon Wildlands. And watch dogs 2. You'll feel the pain of not having extra hyper thread.
The 1200 AE was actually my first AMD-cpu build - prior to that I only had intel-cpus (first one being a 386-system, from way back when…). I had the 1200AE paired with a B450 Board, RX570 GFX and 16 GB 2400 DDR4 ram. A dirt cheap build that worked well enough for about 3-4 years. Still using the ram and mobo, but upgraded the cpu to a R5 5500 and RX 6600 last year. Again dirt cheap parts but I’m not complaining about the performance.
Man, don't know do you know, but you can attach RX GPUs for low end CPUs for much better perfirmance due to Driver Overhead Issue with Nvidia Graphic Cards. AMD has hardware scheduler which makes a huge difference, It is well known already, Hardware Unboxed did movies about it Regards from Poland!
First !!! - Only joking lol. This was my first CPU in the Ryzen range of chips and I loved it, wish I still had it cos it was the AF model. Think the success of Zen 1 put AMD back on the map. Thanks for sharing 🙂
1:23 This is probably one of the only Ryzens I never bought... it just never made any sense for me to buy it when the 2200G came with the VEGA integrated GPU... today used Ryzens just don't really stack up when you could get a new Ryzen 5 4500 for £75 or a used 2700X for the same price. Maybe a 3100 but the 1400 and 1600 although still capable it just doesn't seem worth it for the saving of like 25 quid or so.
I am still happy with my Ryzen 1500X (4C 8T). It's now resting because of a 5600G, but planning to build a pc around it. It's worth more not selling it, instead put it in use again. Happy times for an older chip. :) For example, with a GT1030 OC, it was capable to have a nice gameplay, above 30FPS in The Division2 solo play, in 1360*768 (Or was it 1600*900, uhm, not sure now.)! Or Gta5 in 1080p, high settings. 16GB of RAM of course. But, for another example, the GT1030 reached around 45 FPS in Division2 on a A8-6600 CPU, my GT680 almost 10 FPS more, rounded about 55 FPS at 1360*768 resolution, 8GB RAM ddr3 1600.
Interesting... These early Ryzen's were what made Intel move away from 2C4T i3's and 4C4T i5's. Would love to see a comparison between this, the 1400/1400AF and the 1600/1600AF.
Steve,Can you test T5500 xeon 5620 dual processors with 16gb ram with gtx 1060 or a Rx 570 if possible...i want to see how much i would be bottlenecked if i upgraded from gtx 1050 (already bottlenecked but would love to see how much it be more) Thanks :D
1:00 Still remembered the good old days when Ryzen 1600AF launched at merely $75... Soon after that everything became extremely expensive due to the semiconductor shortage.
Ryzen 3 was close to the i3 for a reason, I never experienced this with the i5 6600k OC to 4.8ghz...Cyberpunk runned ok at 1080p and could push over 60fps
Zen chips stutter no matter how many cores they have, I had an 8 core for 3 years and that caused stutter and throttled my 2060S card. I think it's the latency that causes the issues. I replaced with the cheapo R5 5500 and saw immediate improvements with less stutter and better frametiming.
True, I had a 2700X that always had those little stutters, and they're mostly gone with my 5600. Zen 1 and + were a great value and much welcome competition to Intel 5 years ago, but it's time to upgrade if you're still using one.
@@toddhermit Absolutely, I got my 1700 for £80 with a copper slug variant Spire cooler thrown in 2019. Moving from a 4th gen I7 (non K) it made for a big upgrade with the DDR4 and worked well with my 1060. It was a great cheap upgrade, in fact the upgrade spend came down to the price of the B450 PCB after I sold the old parts on. The difference between the older parts and Zen3 (no doubt more so with Zen4) is just that it feels like the tech has matured and all the little kinks and foibles have been ironed out along with better clocks. I still use the Spire cooler on my 5500 because it just doesn't need more, PBO on and 1:1 on the memory and IF seems to run it to around it's max and it still doesn't get as hot at 4.6 all cores as the 1700 got at 3900, or even at the 3750 cruising speed at ran it at most of the time.
I am writing from a 1200 machine at this very moment; and all I can tell you is: great for coding, office and light video editing, but I am not even thinking about using it for serious gaming! Thank God for my PS4 PRO :p
can you review the i5 4440 which released back in 2013, basically have the same cores and threads with same speed. I've been using this CPU since that year until now and most of the games are playable with my bottleneck RX 580
i have r3 1200af on my 2nd rig, i play with a 1060 and it's work very well, back 2021 when i bought it, i got it with a320m for ''only'' 120€, for a budget pc during the pandemic it was perfet, and still today run my game pretty well, so i'm happy to have it, i dont really need better
I still have a 1200 in box, still has potential for a budget build and retro station after i pulled from my 2018 workstation and a r3 3300x has been in use for a few years now and plan on moving up to 5th gen and turn the other chips into budget systems
I picked up a 1200 in summer of 2020 for $40 usd used. It was a decent pair on my Aorus b450 and gtx 1050 ti. I mostly played gta and other lighter games. It was relatively smooth, quiet, effortless but the card and the cpu were neck to neck while gaming, so talking in discord while gaming proved to give stutters. I knew this CPU wasn’t going to be future proof but I think I got a good deal on it and it was mainly just to get my custom built pc to turn on. My main was and still is a hp 8300 sff with the i7 3770 and gtx 1650 so I wasn’t too concerned about having power. I upgraded to a 5800x for $249 on sale. The stock 1200 cpu cooler was not enough and I have too much processing power and too little graphical power!
I'd be curious if it would be possible to do testing to see what would be a good GPU to pair with the R3 1200? My old build got one paired with a 2x4GB kit of DDR4 2400MHz RAM, just lacking a PSU, and GPU however I could use a GTX 750 1GB and a old OEM 300W PSU to get it up and running as a upgrade from the i3-2100 (or could swap in a i5-2400 instead) with 2x2GB DDR3 RAM that my brother is currently using. However for GPU I currently have a GTX 1070 that I was planning on handing down to the R3 1200 system once I upgrade then once I upgrade from my R5 3500X (likely to something like a R5 5600/X) I would be able to hand down the CPU also (assuming the BIOS flash needed goes well on the ASRock AB350 Pro4 that the R3 1200 is currently in.)
The 1st gen Zen processors were pretty hit and miss for games. The big advantage was the 8 cores for productivity workloads pricing vs Intel. They fixed ALOT by Zen 2. It would be interesting to compare this to 3100, 3300, 3200g & 3400g. The real meaningful content will be comparisons.
My old R3 1200 got an overclock of about 4.1 Ghz. Granted i have an overkill cooler at the time ( id cooling SE 207) . Im on an overclocked 3600 with the same cooler now though. loving the 4.4 Ghz.
I just upgraded from a r5 1400 with oc @3.8 and it runs pretty much all but has some stuttering or frame dips in games like the Witcher 3, death stranding and apex legends, I’m now with a 3600X and there is a lot of consistency gained with the same gpu (1650s) ram and motherboard
The Ryzen 3 1200 is good for an upgrade path on AM4, but I feel that the Intel Haswell i5 CPUs might give you better value for money in the second hand market (at least in the UK) for similar performance. For my HTPC, the Intel platform cost me £49. I bought an i5 4440 (£5), 8GB DDR3 RAM (£6), a cooler (£8) and a B85 motherboard (£30).
Can confirm, on games like BF1 my overclocked 1200 to 3.8 could not even keep up with a gtx 1060 3gb. At least it gave me an significant performace increase compared to an i7 6700HQ
heres something u didnt mention is how cores vs threads work for people who dont know a thread is a convator belt and a core is the worker im pretty sure the ryzen 1200 will be the pentuim g in heavy situation due to having 4 workings vs only 4 threads id love u to compare the two also try the 1400
I used to have a 1400 until like 6 months ago. It really strugled in CPU intensive games. Definetly not a 60 fps CPU anymore, the IPC is just too low. Upgraded to a 5600 and its great. Would make for an interesting video tho.
1st gen Ryzen is for the most part responsible for the major cpu renaissance we experienced, also can't entirely be sure GPUs would've gotten so much better so fast if they didn't have cpus that can keep up. Really insane how for we've come since 2017
i had one as a holdover until the zen2 launched, and it's been in a number of builds since then. without lots of OC work, it's not really suitable for a gaming build. it has lots of OC potential in both ram and core, but even maxed out it's not a great gaming CPU. i ran int CPU limits in far cry 5 for example, despite using a 980ti at 1440p at the time. but considering i paid 60 bucks for it in december 2018 it did very well. the next time i find a good deal on a cheap am4 board it's gonna be used in a media PC i think.
You should test older gaming laptops. Would be interesting to see how far you can get with $200 or lower if you need an all purpose system for gaming + school/work/travel
Random please Avoid r5 1400 as plague, i have it and i severely overestimated it ( paired with 6750xt underclocked to 2.3ghz and undervolted ), it's bad can't hold 60 fps in most newer games and makes 6750 xt jump from 50-95% util most of time. For Example Plague Tale Requiem was going from 35-60 fps on max settings 1080P on R5 1400 oced to 3.75 Ghz while it was almost all the time pegged over 75% uttil ( few times got 100% uttil ) while Gpu was chilling at 70-80% uttil.
"The only bad thing about this gameplay is the player." Seems to be pretty good to me. I would say that whole 'practice makes perfect' bit, but MW2 is so controversial right now that it might not be worth it. Keep it up!
