The Canon R7 vs The RP - Which is Better? 

Thanks. You can’t go wrong with the R7, it’s an amazing camera.

It's such a good camera really, so underrated.

You are most welcome.

Yes, it's on my list. I have had lots of requests for that video.

Agree.

Good luck!

My pleasure! I'm so glad it was helpful! Thanks.

M50 is still a great camera.

You are most welcome!

Kind of you to say. I think Canon will be releasing at least one, maybe more, cameras before the end of the year, and I expect them to affordable options, so keep an eye out.

I hope for a RP Mk2 and so..... Canon should focus more on the hobbyists, not just the professionals. Canon made a really good job with DSLRs in 2007 up to 2014 at least... affordable entry level, better midclass but still somehow affordable for the more "professional" user and good but super expensive gear as anywhere. Now the entry level DSLM bodies cost already 900$+... without a single lens to use it at all. Thats poor. I remember entry level DSLRs for 300$, brand new! But somehow my paycheck didnt rise 3x as the prices?!

You are most welcome.

Yah, the joystick is a strange one, I am kinda getting use to it now.

I would look at the RF 35mm f1.8, would be great for that.

@@markwiemels great pick, the macro is fun to fool around with too!

i paired it with the rf 70 200mm f4, and the auto focus bro.. its like instantaneous.

Thanks! I think I owe you licensing money for the review format anyways!

@@markwiemels haha - I hope it works!!

@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis looks like it so far.

Thanks! It's the MKE-600, can be used with the camera or XLR device, it's magic. I have a video about it on the channel.

@@markwiemels thank you Mark for the quick reply. In your case, do you have it plugged into the fujifilm or into an external device?

I have used it both ways, in most videos I am recoding into the computer via a usb audio interface, but when I record into camera, you really can’t tell the difference. If you check out my MKE 600 video it has lots of samples and comparisons, used both ways.

@@markwiemels again, thank you Mark for the quick reply. I sure will watch your video. Keep up the great work!

Interesting, not my experience with the RP. What kind of lenses do you use that the AF is hunting?

Yeh, I love the R7 too. I think my greater point here is how underrated the RP is.

@@markwiemels Fair point 😀

I’m not sure what they will release, but it might be worth holding on. I doubt we will see another sub $1000 full frame camera, I expect it to be more like $1500+

Yes, if it works at all.

You are most welcome.

Wow! that is a deal!

If I can get my hands on an R5.

Yes, its a perfect setup, this means all your full frame lenses essentially become two lenses. They have different fields of view on the R7 vs the RP.

@@markwiemels Thanks for your response Mark - I hadn't thought of that specific benefit to the lenses (having "essentially two lenses") before you mentioned it. much appreciated!

You have a pretty good setup right now, I would wait and see what Canon releases in the next 6 months.

I’m on the same boat as Hawk Lee. I found a used RP selling for $650 it’s very tempting but not sure if I should continue saving. I also have a M6ii right now

@@myfavoritecrew7920 well I've managed to test the RP (lucky me the 2nd photographer at a paid gig i was in was using it with a adapted sigma 70-200 and canon 24-70 f4) a few days after commenting to Mark. So during the gig We swap gears halfway along the shoot and we both agree and noticed the m6mkii is way better at overall focusing peformance. The RP focusing is nothing bad, its as accurate as it gets with mirrorless no front and back focusing issues unlike dslr. But laggs behind the m6mkii. We use the slow burst 3fps mode on both bodies 56mm(90mm) on the m6mkii and 90mm on his 70-200 sigma both at f2.8, same subject dancing back and fourth left and right about 25-26 continues shots about 5 times. Reviewing back the pics,(over 120 shots) the m6mkii have 95%-90% accurate focus vs 65%-70% on the RP. The RP is good, but not on par with the m6mkii. For iso, RP at 6400 even 12800 is cleaner. Safe to say you can get away with most of the shoots even as high as 12800. With the m6mkii, 12800 is unusable for me, some shots maybe but mostly no. And the bokeh is way apparent vs the apcs m6mkii. Gotta hand it to the fullframe sensor 😂 Dynamic range is just a tad better with the RP, its better but not enough wow factor to justify the peformance vs m6mkii. All i can say is due to the fullframe-ness of RP, the pic it self will turn out better. But for focus speed and performance, the m6mkii owns the RP. I dont mind the slow 3fps speed as long as it can nail every shots but my test proven otherwise. So for me, RP is not a good enough upgrade. Still praying to meet up with a R user so i can test out the focusing peformance though 😬

Fujifilm x-t3 and x-t4.

R7 Rolling shutter is there for sure, but not as bad as Sony APS-C.

I really love my RP, i was coming from a 550D/600D and it was a HUGE STEP.... all my EF lenses (except a 75-300mm IS USM) perform better on mirrorless as expected. For me the reason to go for the RP was mainly the price and that i dont use(d... fk it^^) video. Well... things changed, i realized wildlife is more interesting after i got the RP (and RF 800 F11) and its very limiting if you want/need more than 1080p60 or 4k 25 fps or 4-5fps in burst. None the less, i dont regret my decision for the RP - The R7 is MUCH TOO EXPENSIVE and the R10 is too limited, especially in buffer and SD card write speed. The Price of the R10 is another thing considering its by far one of the worst APS-C sensors for modern DSLMs. The RP is ok for video (even better for vlogging than R5, R6, R7 etc), but NOT for anything beyond 60 fps. But i have to say... 1080p60 is very good and 4k in manual focus also nice, any other setting is very low bitrate and noticable worse.

Yes, and it's amazing for video too.

You missed something incremental: "Get the R7 if you want speed and do sports and bird photography" + and if you can afford it The R7 is just too expensive especially because its just APS-C! And the budget version, the R10 is too crippled by canon.

No, you will lose megapixels, and possibly detail.

here - prolost.com/blog/2012/4/10/prolost-flat.html

Bummer about the used prices, M50's have been getting premium prices on eBay in the US. Is there any noticeable difference in the quality of the photos from the R10 to the M50? They seem to have an almost identical sensor.

I'm waiting for an R7 and have an M50. Try selling on Facebook instead of taking less than re-sell price from a store.

It have gone up abit in Price since I sold it.

I would lean towards the R10, you don't want a "blurry background" for that anyways, and the autofocus in the r10 will be much better.

Good tip.

R should be better, but I have not tested them.

Unfortunately I don’t have the older L lenses, it would be a good test to see.

EF-L 24-105 outshines the RF kit lens for photo but for video id say kit lens.

R10 is crop, rp is full frame.

@@markwiemels Ouh my bad for that

I too am torn between the r10 and the rp

Yes, that will give you sharp images. This is how I shoot all my non-ibis bodies on non-is lenses, you can often even go a bit lower depending on how steady you are, ie 1/100 for a 50mm), just need to experiment.

@@markwiemels Mark, thanks once more for being generous with your time and expertise! Subscribing to your channel and can't wait to see more tips on Canon gear and photography in general!

I believe the RP has dynamic stabilization.

@@beatzzc1t Not sure what you mean by "dynamic stabilization" - doesn't sound like a Canon thing. All I've heard about is IS on Canon cameras, and the RP does not have it natively (it relies on the IS of the lens AFAIK).

Depending on the focal length you can go the same shutter as focal length on wider angle lens’ like 24 and 35. Once focal length gets to 85mm and beyond I start to double, tripple, quad exc the shutter.

Yes the rp is weather sealed.

This is my thinking as well. I feel like the autofocus issue is being glossed over a bit by some reviewers.

@@markwiemels agreed. I appreciated your honest commentary. Hard to find in camera reviews!

R7 for sure, much better video camera than the R. Plus in 4k the R has a crop that make the area of the sensor used smaller that the R7's sensor (from memory). Then you still have the RP for full frame photo.

@@markwiemels thank you for replying

I will do this, but most of the advancements with the new cameras is in the video specs. I doubt you would even be able to tell the phots apart in most situations.

@@markwiemels ooo cool, thanks for the reply 🥰

Photo only, RP. If 4k video is important to you, R10. R10 is also better for wild life, but RP for landscape.

Get the RP and it will get you better results.

The question is: Will 5fps at best or 1080p60 and 4k25fps hurt you much in wildlife? If so... DONT GO RP... Im using the RP for wildlife and its... well "ok", but forget super slow mo videos or very fast, small birds in flight with video. Its also hard to get THE shot while shooting flying birds at all, but sometimes there is a usable one within the "slow" burst. Im fine with the RP since im doing beside wildlife also night, lightpainting and astrophotography where i just love full frame for its low light capabilities. But nowadays, especially for wildlife, i would get a camera with at least 1080p240 and 4k120 video (but NOT panasonic, very poor video AF)

This is really interesting, thanks for the information.

RP for sure.

@@markwiemels thanks for the answer! What about lens, which would you recommend?

@@bilbaoserrano I would go for the linked list in the description of this video, should work well for you.

@@bilbaoserrano Primes: RF 50mm 1.8 RF 35mm 1.8 RF 800mm F11 (wildlife) zooms: RF 70-200L, RF100-400 or 100-500L depending on budget/needs RF 24-105 (L or not) These are probably the most interesting lenses or just going for 2nd hand EF glasses which i really love to with a Meike EF RF Filter Adapter.

@@harrison00xXx started out with RF 35MM 1.8 Looking great so far! Maybe 800mm next Thanks for the support

Mistake. I pinned a comment with a correction.

R7 to R would be good, but I can't own all these cameras.

Note - the M6 Mark II has all the specs you need and the performance is great. There may or may not be an M50 III, I hope there is.

Canon isn't going to make a Canon M50 III. They pretty much abandoned it, they're focusing on the EOS R series.

I would get an EOS R and skip both of those cameras.

Not at all! I still have lots of videos coming on the M system, it’s just for the channel to grow, I need to cover other cameras as well. As long as there are viewers for M series videos, I plan to keep making them.

@@markwiemels m user here 😭🙏🏽☺️

The video quality is insanely good.

Hi, I waited ages for mine as I was going for body only, in the end my local camera shop who had plenty of the R7s with kit lens phoned me and offered the camera at the body only price and just took the kit lens out, worked for me , if you are going body only you might like to suggest that to you local camera store. In the end its about customer relationships. So far I’m impressed, I’m using the R7 as a backup with extra reach for my R5 for events in particular (my previous backup was the 50D ) . I don’t find it too hard to swap between cameras although the two comments I’d make is that I miss the top LCD on the R7 and the R7 shutter sounds decidedly agricultural compared to the R5 😀 Also as Mark mentions the video is amazing , was testing even the 1080 120 over the weekend, amazing on a 32” Imac monitor.

@@Chris-NZ Yeah, I’ve had several people telling me this, but unfortunately the supply shortage in Norway is for both the kit and the body only. Non of the options seems to be available.. but I’m looking forward to getting my hands on it, from what I’ve seen and have been told it looks like a great little camera ☺️

@@RogerAVHansen That’s no good , I thought we were the end of the earth down here 😀

For general photography the R, for video, and sports and wildlife photography, the R10.

For sure the lens will play a role, I was using the RF kit lens and 35mm RF lens. I have now spoken to other R7 owners, there is an issue with the autofocus accuracy, they are pretty much all reporting the same issues.

I know, it’s huge.

I'm not sure, I'm using 256gb cards.

It is, I was wrong.

This is super info, thanks for sharing.

Yeah the RPs battery is just ok for photography, as soon you start 4K video the battery drains not just normally fast, it drains super fast. I also wanted the A7S III or R version, whatever, but its price was 2nd hand and especially new a NO GO. The Mk2 version was too old and outdated for my taste. The RP was in my opinion a good compromise between getting fullframe but for a affordable, nearly fair price. It would be totally fair if not TOO GOOD price if Canon would not have used the cripple-hammer that hard on the RP!

@@harrison00xXx the cripple hammer is real. The battery life would be forgivable if you could charge it while filming, you'd just need an inexpensive PD power bank. It only charges over USB C while switched off, unlike every cellphone and laptop ever made. Heck, even a $5 LED flashlight can charge while running.

You know you can put V-Mount battery on your Camera ? You gain on battery but a lot

@@hugoslavinski1856 i tried that on my Canon M50, but when it came unplugged while filming, the camera died and I had to sell it for parts. I want something that is reliable and has long record times, which the Sony provides over USB charging.

Yes, right here - geni.us/kGdnTZD

If you need fast autofocus, then I would go with the R7

@@markwiemels I understand. So if I buy the R7, will I have a lot of trouble with landscape, architecture and night shots? Is full frame required for these?

@@merdumgiriz108 no, full frame is not required, you just need the right lenses.

@@markwiemels Got it, thank you very much, good work.

It should be good, I suspect it will be essentially the same specs as the current eos-r, which is what canon normally do.

Canon has stopped them from making it.

Well the R7 is really for the sports and wildlife shooter that wants the crop for that reason. It is strange, for me, handling the crop sensor R7 and it is the largest camera I own, it could easily fit a full frame sensor.

I already use it in weddings my R7 and it’s is very good camera with the flash perfect camera i use it with the sigma 18-35 f1.8

Why would they want to dump the APS C sensor? A lot of wildlife and bird shooters have been clamoring for this.

Can vouch that if the R7 was a 24mp FF I would have not even considered it. For me that 33mp crop sensor is a big plus in every way for wildlife.