The Case AGAINST Christian Nationalism

Early Christian History with Michael Bird

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Theologian Mike Bird presents a robust critique of Stephen Wolfe's The Case for Christian Nationalism, by pointing to its ethnic prejudice, authoritarian ethos, and illiberal view of human rights.
Meddlesome Priest is a program where Mike Bird talks about public Christianity, the intersection of faith and geopolitics, and social ethics.
Michael Bird is an Aussie biblical scholar and Anglican priest, his views are exclusively his own and do not necessarily reflect the views of his institution or people who invite him to speak.
00:00 Intro to Christian Nationalism
01:22 Why Bother Critiquing Christian Nationalism
04:11 What Wolfe Gets Right
10:14 Why Christian Nationalism is So Bad
11:23 Wolfe Rejects the Ethos of Ancient Christianity
15:29 Wolfe's Nationalism is "Kinist" and Riddled with Ethnic Prejudice
25:46 Wolfe's Pan-Protestant Coalition Would Never Hold Together
36:00 Wolfe Rejects Liberal Democracy
40:52 Wolfe's Christian Nationalism Would Lead to Superficial Christianity
44:08 Wolfe's Christian Nationalism is American-centric
45:47 Wolfe Conditionally Supports a Violent Overthrown of the US Govt.
49:40 Wolfe's Book Concludes with a Ranty Epilogue
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@earlychristianhistorywithm8684 3 месяца назад

Hi everyone, I hope you enjoy this video offering a robust critique of Stephen Wolfe's Case for Christian Nationalism. If you like this stuff, then you'll probably like my books and . Otherwise, check out other videos in my playlist "Meddlesome Priest."

@spartakos3178 3 месяца назад

Your initial introduction is a grave mischaracterization. No where in the book does he talk about anything like what you mention. Especially in your "white" characterization. There will be a god enforced by government... do you want it to be pagan or Christian?

@c.m.granger6870 2 месяца назад

This "critique" was hardly robust unless you consider misreading the book "robust".

@git-er-dun_LBK_ Месяц назад

@@spartakos3178how about neither.

@DisarmingLeviathanUSA 2 месяца назад

Dr. Bird, Thanks for doing the hard work reviewing Wolfe's book. The 3-part review and this video are helpful resources for those working to engage American Christian Nationalists in our families, churches, and communities.

@danielherrmann4477 Месяц назад

Thank you Dr. Bird for doing this.

@BaronReed-rj9rz 2 месяца назад

I am loyal to my nation although it's becoming increasingly difficult each day. But, I pledge my allegiance to the Kingdom of God alone. Both nationalism and globalism are manipulated and controlled by dark spirits.

@noahfletcher3019 Месяц назад

I see too many "Christians" trying to synthesise nietzsche and Christianity. But it simply won't work. There's a reason nietzsche despised it.

@spartakos3178 3 месяца назад

Christ is King.... that has consequences. The persecution of the early church was brought about PRECISELY because of the political implications of Christ as King ans ultimate authority.

@git-er-dun_LBK_ Месяц назад

Thank you for your critique. And yeah wow that's kind of what I've been thinking and it's opioids for the mind knowing someone else is in agreement with me haha. Keep up the good work.

@thomashemeon2069 Месяц назад

A bit over the top perhaps, but wonderfully articulated. I have a much better understanding (from your perspective) of so-called “Christian Nationalism” than before…

@paradisecityX0 3 месяца назад

What Wolfe's wants for America sounds a lot like Father Comstock's reality in Bioshock Infinite

@-_-DAVe 3 месяца назад

You're a legend.

@MeanBeanComedy 2 месяца назад

These pop culture references are getting old.

@-_-DAVe 2 месяца назад

@MeanBeanComedy don't be such a snob, ya crazy gatekeeper, not everyone is here to entertain you 😜

@paradisecityX0 2 месяца назад

@@MeanBeanComedy How do you not see the parallels?

@noahfletcher3019 Месяц назад

America was always secular from its conception.

@josephv8102 2 месяца назад

Thanks for that time-saving introduction. When you sound like a hysterical MSNBC host, I know I need not listen further.

@rscottr 3 месяца назад

Good review and I largely agree. I'm skeptical about what you see as the inoculating effects of cultural Christianity. What does that mean for families? We try to instill a Christian culture in our house including attending to the ministry of word and sacrament and morning and evening prayer. Does that really make it less likely our kids will be Christian? Or what am I missing about what you mean by cultural Christianity?

@MeanBeanComedy 2 месяца назад

It means your kids will grow up in a culture that doesn't glorify violence, sexual promiscuity, śódómy, and disorder. Like the whole world before 1960.

@ABO-Destiny 2 месяца назад

If I have to choose between 'Control of good people ,of people one has faith upon' & 'free for all society where animals and humans are allowed to survive together' I will opt for the former. This is the same reason why I believe China will go ahead and for good reasons, this is the reason why I strongly feel British Rule at least in our part of the world was good for us, it is also the same reason why I feel there should be racial segregation around the world at a broad level, not at the minute and myopic level to which the Nazis went but at a broad level, not an oppression or control of one group over the other but a separation that is maintained with allowance for individuals across the boundaries who are attracted to each other for some reason or other, I think it is needed for US will be needed for Europe unless things are checked, will be needed by other parts of the world too for their own benefits

@stevenwiederholt7000 2 месяца назад

@ABO-Destiny Define Good People?

@KingoftheJuice18 2 месяца назад

So a reasonable, macro-racism?

@noahfletcher3019 Месяц назад

Stephen Wolfe is actually a brilliant example of taking the lords name in vain.

@patrickmccurdy8688 3 месяца назад

I have two adopted Korean daughters. I do want them to have a healthy view of their ethnic heritage. I find Wolfe's views offensive. What alternate world does he live in?

@user-en9st2sy3d 2 месяца назад

What are his views on ethnic heritage?

@jimyoung9262 2 месяца назад

Dr. Bird I want to say thank you for the book Christianity In Its World. I'm almost done with it and it has been very helpful. The most important revelation I had was how similar the conservative evangelical church is to the ways the Pharisees were (with some Zealot mixed in). I came to the conclusion that I frequently think of the Pharisees in overly simplistic terms and risk falling into the same trap. Anyway, thanks again for your work and ministry.

@dancingwithfools 2 месяца назад

Christ, family, nation. Nothing wrong with that order

@StephSchLDD 3 месяца назад

Given our current state of affairs, I’m a bit surprised that this kind of nationalist thinking is still floating around. I’m not sure their quivers are full enough to ever make their city on a hill desires a black robed rebellion reality.

@MRETV-rm1bh 2 месяца назад

It's like that TV show Handmaid's Tale.

@scottmcloughlin4371 2 месяца назад

No, it's nothing like that. Read the books. "Imagining" is a waste of time.

@MeanBeanComedy 2 месяца назад

No, it's not. Stop with the shitty pop culture references.

@truthseeker5698 3 месяца назад

Isn’t Mike Bird a reformed calvinist? There is no argument then.

@Yan_Alkovic 3 месяца назад

Thank you for this very nice critique of this very unfortunate idea. Had an unpleasant encounter with fans of his book on YT and boy did that leave a sour taste in my mouth. People were twisting the Bible and denying sound scholarship to support their ideas.

@c.m.granger6870 2 месяца назад

It's an "unfortunate" idea for your government to operate upon biblical principles. You must oppose Jesus Christ.

@MeanBeanComedy 2 месяца назад

It's based on scholarship from before 1960.

@nickrioz 3 месяца назад

Qanon is extended universe Christian content

@user-en9st2sy3d 2 месяца назад

What is Qanon

@landonmiller338 3 месяца назад

Wow. The first 2 minutes. Either Mr. Bird hasn't read the book, or he's being blatantly dishonest.

@scottmcloughlin4371 2 месяца назад

Yup. Almost everyone babbling online targets an audience that never reads books. It's a complete scam across countless topics here on YT.

@b.t.3406 2 месяца назад

Dr Bird is a far-leftwing conspiracy theorist. Solid entertainment value.

@andrewzook8648 2 месяца назад

Explain how... your claim here is no more valid than what you're accusing him of... you're not offering any evidence to back up your accusation.

@landonmiller338 2 месяца назад

@@andrewzook8648 if you read the book and compare it to Bird's imaginary scenario in the intro, it's pretty obvious.

@elaias10 2 месяца назад

it is an hyperbole

@philliplovelady 2 месяца назад

Compared to they Clown World that we live in today, Christian Nationalism sounds awesome!

@goldsmith2461 2 месяца назад

Even if led by a charlatan, a palpable non-Christian?

@SibleySteve 3 месяца назад

Great video. After Baptist seminary I landed in a no man’s land until I found work in government for the last 24 years. As a huge fan of the Bill of Rights, a former army reservist and civil servant, I think Mike Bird should write a curriculum on Civics-for-Christians teaching Roger Williams, the Constitution, the art of mission-by-persuasion (not coercion), the Golden Rule, the Great Commission, and any other topics that could correct, rebuke, exhort and inform the laity about the value of separation of powers, Christ and Culture, the two greatest commandments, Abraham Kuyper’s worldview, and Christian democracy. We need old baby boomers to grow up, give up their bottles, stop infantilizing over politics and taxes, and re-learn the basics of civic engagement.

@andrewzook8648 3 месяца назад

How could we get this Christian worldview into our churches or Sunday School curriculum's? (I can hear the consternation now, particularly from the extremes... "Why are we talking about politics! You should stick to the Bible and the Gospel!)

@b.t.3406 2 месяца назад

This video is great if you like slander.

@JohnBrandkamp 3 месяца назад

A brilliant analysis.

@c.m.granger6870 2 месяца назад

Brilliant if inept is considered brilliant.

@theoe354 3 месяца назад

"Christian Nationalism is a threat to liberal democracy." Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

@TheGogogwo 3 месяца назад

Why do you guys want monarchy or dictatorship lol. Like every major massacre and genocide is done via those forms of government. Ussr, nazism, roman empire the list goes on. You can't name a single modern democracy thats done anything as bad as the worse monarchies/dictatorships. I agree that a great king is far better than a great democracy. But a bad democracy is no where near as bad as a bad monarchy. The person who should be King is Christ.

@lisacawyer6896 3 месяца назад

Yes. Small "l" liberalism. See the Wikipedia article "liberal democracy."

@theoe354 3 месяца назад

@@lisacawyer6896 I understand perfectly well what it means. I repeat my question.

@spartakos3178 3 месяца назад

These people act as if democracy was revealed to Moses on Mount Sinai... The American Republic was made for a moral and distinctly Christian people, it is entirely unfit for any other.

@nathancjarrett 3 месяца назад

@@theoe354 They want us to keep marching down the road that has taken us to where we are today in support of liberal democracy which is more than happy to crush our brethren, and our children. And they are going to scold us about the dangers of coercion whilst ignoring how much coercion is wielded against us.

@user-en9st2sy3d 2 месяца назад

This is embarrassing

@b.t.3406 2 месяца назад

Thanks for whitesplaining ‘Christian nationalism’ Michael.

@c.m.granger6870 2 месяца назад

Bird has misread Wolfe's book in obvious but important ways. First, it's a book about Protestant "political" theory, it's not about evangelism. Secondly, it's applied to an American context. Thirdly, it's about theory "in principle" -- which Bird seems to miss at every turn.. Fourthly, he's addressing history before the United States existed and how the U.S. actually operated for a couple hundred years prior to the Post WWII Consensus. Wolfe doesn't advocate for any such thing as a White ethno-State. Bird should stick to pecking Bird seed. He's a Christian who doesn’t want to live in a Christian nation with Christian rulers. Apparently Christ is King in his heart but no where outside of it.

@noahfletcher3019 Месяц назад

Your final remark shows you're clueless. Good attempt though

@c.m.granger6870 Месяц назад

@@noahfletcher3019 making an empty assertion minus an argument equals zero.

@noahfletcher3019 Месяц назад

@@c.m.granger6870 what kind of Christian country are we talking about? There are several denominations. Until you solve this you have no argument.

@c.m.granger6870 Месяц назад

@@noahfletcher3019 The kind of Christian country we had about 10 years ago and our entire history before the rotten fruit of secularization and multiculturalism turned into a moral cesspool with drag queen story hours and gay "marriage".

@LucianaPelota 2 месяца назад

Absurd. Bird obviously has not read the book.

@timbushong4387 2 месяца назад

I tried to crawl over the massive heap of straw-men piled up on the road - couldn't be done. You obviously are happy to criticize things you don't know about. Shameful for anyone with "Dr." as his title.

@noahfletcher3019 Месяц назад

I love how you substantiated your claim and you didn't just cry like a bitch.