I remember an Iron Hand remembering about how he used chat with Rylanor back in the day and wondered if he had turned as well. It’s a shame that he never found out that Rylanor stayed faithful until the end.
I think every one know that raylanor was loyalist he lead the emperor children on the assault of istvaan 3 and was one of the last survivor with garvio loken and was his wish to stay on istvaan to take his revenge
More than that, he is basically saying that all of the marines who turned traitor (as in almost the /entire/ legion) are not worthy of the name. And he is right.
This is why I love the thousand sons. They all have this shard of humanity left. It reminds you they didn't join chaos willingly and still remember the work and struggle they put to stop the flesh change. They knew psykers were the future of humanity, the emperor knew.
@@chocolatesquirrel2002 IIRC Rylanors story before this is basically footnote in another loyalist Emperor Children Marines story, that being Saul Tarviz. But its been while since i have read Horus Heresy stuff.
@@Double_D__ I wouldnt say that since Fulgrim was great person before he picked the Laer blade, but Rylanor was more of a Primarch than fallen Fulgrim was. He and Saul Tarviz were perfect embodyments of Pre-Heresy Emperors Children and Fulgrims values.
@@clarkycat9173 I dont think taking d*ck-shaped sword from race of rape-snakes was a mature and logical move. OR implanting genes of that rape-snake race into gene-seed of Emperor Children. He just fell to chaos because of his own stupidity, being too weak-minded to resist daemon in blade he shouldn't have taken in first place.
Nothing will ever hit harder than Rylanor proudly proclaiming to Fulgrim of all people his title as one of the emperor's children, shit must've caused Fulgrim enough psychic damage to give him a brain haemorrhage
I mean, it did permanent damage to his pride. And since he's a deamon and that's all he has, it's the only thing that has been able to do actual lasting damage to any of the daemon primarchs.
-Absolutely Merciless, Justified, Technicallyand Fctually correct, Vicious Mockery: Take 15 permanent CHA damage. Take 3d6 More CHA damage per turn Ad Infinitum, in perpetuity. There is no breaking this curse, or healing of this mental wound. Upon reaching inverse CHA points of starting stat, Begin Death saves. Successful save, makes the next 3d6 higher to beat.
'Is this it?' he said. 'You sought to draw me here to kill me?' Rylanor triggered his assault cannon, but - fast as quicksilver - Fulgrim caught it and crushed it before it could fire. 'No, I don't think so,' said the primarch, effortlessly ripping the arm from the Dreadnought's body. Sparks flew from the ruptured limb and Fulgrim gave the weapon a dismissive glance before tossing it aside. 'You betrayed us,' bellowed Rylanor. 'Your sons! You led us here to die. There is no forgiveness for that. None! You must die by my hand! The Emperor's justice will fall upon you. Not even Fulgrim the Illuminator can escape the Life Eater.' 'You wish me dead?' he said, scathing pity dripping from every syllable. 'Why? Because you think I betrayed you? The Legion? Oh, Rylanor, your thoughts are so narrow. If you could only see us now, how beautiful we have become. We shine so brightly, each of us a brilliant sun.' Fulgrim reached down, sliding his bare hand inside a rent torn in the Dreadnought's armour. He smiled, closing his eyes and letting his tongue slip across his lips as he pushed deeper inside. 'Ah, there you are!' said Fulgrim, as Rylanor's vox-caster grated in fury. 'Wet and wriggling. I can feel your panic. It's delicious!' Rylanor's power fist swung around, bathed in fire. It struck Fulgrim on the shoulder, but Akhtar's psychic force was not simply confined to the Life Eater's detonation. Fulgrim laughed off the sluggish attack and one of his lower arms drew a glittering sword of alien origin. The blade a sliced in a cruelly precise arc, cutting through the fibre-bundle motivators and servos. Rylanor's arm fell limp at his side. Vistario watched the viral fire spread over the Dreadnought's carapace, slipping inside his buckled plates of armour. Rylanor did not care whether he lived or died, only that Fulgrim went with him. 'Do. Not. Do. This!' barked the Dreadnought. 'Why not? I am your master - I can do whatever I like. I can crush you or I can raise you up. Return to the Legion. Accept the gifts of the Dark Prince, and you will walk at my side, clad once again in flesh. You can be anything, old friend! I will sculpt you into something beautiful - a god to these mortals!' 'Never! All we have left between us is that we will die together!' roared the Dreadnought, the upper portion of his carapace burning with blue flames. 'I am Rylanor of the Emperor's Children, Ancient of Rites, Venerable of the Palatine Host, and proud servant of the Emperor of Mankind, Beloved by all! I reject you now and always!' Fulgrim laughed and said, 'I'm sorry, did it sound like I was offering you a choice?' The primarch wrenched his hand from Rylanor's sarcophagus, dragging a sopping mass of fluid and matter with him. Glutinous ropes dripped from his fingers; he was like a midwife holding a mewling newborn. Ruptured cables spilled amniotic fluid so stagnant it must surely have been poisoning Rylanor with every passing second. 'I will remake you, brother,' said Fulgrim. 'You will be my crowning achievement.' Though his body was little more than rags of wet meat, Vistario sensed Rylanor's horror at the last violation. An inescapable destiny where he would become what he hated most. +What do we do?+ The question was Murshid's and the connection between the Thousand Sons was so strong that Athanaean's perception for emotion spread to all three of them. Vistario felt Fulgrim's infinite malice, his cruel enjoyment of Rylanor's anguish and the helplessness of the Thousand Sons. The primarch of the Emperor's Children revelled in his overwhelming pride, a trait Magnus had more than once told Vistario had been present long before his fall. But more than anything, stronger even than Fulgrim's spite, Vistario felt Rylanor's pride and honour, the unbending core of greatness that had set him against his brothers and had seen him descend into obsessive madness beneath the surface of a dead world. Vistario took the measure of Fulgrim, seeing nothing worthy in him. His warriors felt the moment his decision was made. +Primarch Fulgrim!+ sent Vistario. +Rylanor deserves better than you.+ The primarch looked up, his once bright eyes now black and filled with the darkest poison. +He deserves better than all of us.+ He raised his bolter and fired a mass-reactive into the back of Akhtar's skull. The Raptora's head exploded and with his death, the psychic force holding back the warhead's detonation ended. Vistario saw fire. And once more, all life burned.
@@MidoriOfTheShuinsen His fire purified them, even if it was for a few moments, those weren't missed and they sent Rylanor's and theirs answer to Fulgrim in full
Except the part where he failed miserably, and didn’t even manage to actually scuff Fulgrim where Fulgrim put Gulliman into a coma for ten thousand years
@@charlottewalnut3118 he scarred Fulgrim's pride (his source of power) and because of that, Fulgrim can never reach his so called "Perfect Form" because Rylanor's words kept echoing in his mind.
If he were to see chemos , he will just slaaneshy "clouds" he would be glad Chemos was obliterated as it is better to be dead but remember foundly than live and wished to be forgotten
He was born of Terra, one of the very first to join amongst the emperors Adeptus Astartes. He would have wished to see terra one last time, but what he saw instead was a traitors death and redemption of foes thought beyond salvation.
I hope the Emperor witnessed Rylanor’s final moments, and brought him back in the legion of the dammed. But if his soul is somewhere in the warp, you better believe Khorne is giving him a high five, or at least wants to. Rylanors probably killing everything in sight, like Casper the violent ghost.
It's explained that the liquids inside Rylanor's casket were complete poison to him by that point. He simply should've died long before they found him. The Emperor kep him alive so Rylanor could have his vengeance.
In that moment Fulgrim realized what true perfection was; loyalty, commitment, honor, will and courage. Something that he will never have, what broke his ego was realizing that an "inferior" human was stronger than him in spirit and soul.
I would love to see Rylanor and Vistario return in the Legion of the Damned, just to give Fulgrim a bad time. Ferrus Manus leads the Legion of the Damned? That would be so, absolutely dope, make the Legion of the Damned essentially the Emperor's Daemons.
I've long had plans that if I ever do a space marine army, I'm kitbashing the whole thing to be the Legion of the Damned. And you can bet your left butt cheek there'll be a contemptor with an autocannon and fist.
Honestly I would love that... And would be even better if they returned with a modicum of their original personalities... The biggest middle finger to Chaos.
I think the saddest part about rylanor isn’t the betrayal or his inevitable end to try and kill his gene father….I think it’s the fact he has been on that planet alone with not but the ashes of comrades and enemies as his only companions for millennia…
I like to imagine there’s a loyalist emperor’s children group lost in the warp battling chaos who heard of what Rylanor did and decided that “The Ancient Awaits” would be their battle cry and should I create a space marine army this will be what I do with them either that or Lamenters because I really like the Lamenters
Cawl probably has some Emperor's children in the fridge, or I like to imagine that a few returned and are now primaris, I just need a good paint for purple
Inspired by the things I've heard, I raise my voice and shout clearly and out of turn "Rylanor deserves better than you, oh primarch! Rylanor deserves better than all of us"
The fact that this permanently weakened Fulgrim will probably open up his final death in the far future. Seriously: Fulgrim was so charismatic and charming that he even charmed the _Emperor_ to give his legion the name “the Emperor’s Children.” Then combine his absolute charisma with Slaanesh enhanced people skills and seduction capabilities just from being around him… Rylanor saw both of those things and just let his hatred burn any feeling he got from that. He wasn’t blinded- he simply didn’t care about anything other than punching his prick genefather in the face. Fulgrim knowing that even in his ultimate form of “perfection” with seduction and charisma being his strong suits that he failed in turning one of his own sons- a broken, pained, dying man who is literally genetically programmed to be loyal to his gene father- and not only that; but turning 3 traitor marines back into loyalists from sheer disgust and the tenacity of Rylanor… it weakens him because he is literally a creature made up of pride made manifest. And _that_ was the ultimate and permanent blow to his pride.
The reason why the 3rd legion is given the name Emperor's Children is because early in the crusade Fulgrim and His legion managed to stop an assasination attempt on the Emperor in a newly conquered planet. The Emeperor was about to be blown into dust by a hidden nuclear bomb while on parade. Thus the grateful Emperor renamed the 3rd legion and allowed them to wear the Imperial aquilla. The first space marine legion to do so.
@@jamescawl6904 iirc, Fulgrim wasn't even discovered yet when his legion gained the name and the aquila. Fulgrim himself was very prideful of his sons for this, but also seemed bothered in the back of his mind that the most honorable thing his legion had done was without him.
@@jamescawl6904Didn't the 3rd Legion basically form a wall of guns to shield the Custodians from the hordes of attacking locals as they pulled the Emperor out of there?
@@jamescawl6904 honest I'm torn between them and the Salamanders. Especially after learning Fulgrim gave a speech to one of his captains I think it was about how it should be them bowing to the civilians after seeing the guy disrespecting a woman something fierce. I think that was it. Been a while
The only thing that would make this sweeter is in a fantasised face-off between Clone-Fulgrim and Daemon Primarch, the Legion of the Damned arrives and standing side-by-side the uncorrupted Fulgrim would be the ghostly forms of Ferrus with a burning metal skull of a head and Rylanor with as much of his dreadnought chassis restored to its original greatness.
i'd kill for this i can imagine it now just ferrus with his hammer, skull blazing with warp fire and his brother standing by him with a look of contempt and disgust for what his legion had become, out strides Rylanors dreadnought seething with roaring flames next to his restored primarch and all Ferrus does is raise his hammer and points it at Daemon fulgrim then all hell breaks loose, hundreds of damned astartes and dreadnoughts charging into fulgrims forces their primarch and his brother taking the front to finally end a tragic story that seemed to have no end.
It’s my head cannon that as Rylanor passes into the warp, the Emperor took him in an embrace while saying: I’m proud to call you one of my children, you have endured more than anything I could have ever expected from you, rest now my child.
Then straight back into the fray as one of the Legion of the Damned, no? Maybe even with with the two Thousand Sons sorcerers as his aides or something like that. They would kick unlimited ass together.
This is honestly a lot better and more powerful than Rylanors actual diss in the book. He rejects fulgrim but it seems more like a panic then a power flex. This is a more fitting rejection stating he remembers what made the Emporers children great, their history and honors, not just that he was a member of it.
ive always loved this part of the song, because before it, its a back and forth between Rylanor and Fulgrim, you can even hear where normally Fulgrim would come back in with a retort after "I remember the lessons passed onto the Sons" but when Rylanor just keeps going it makes it feel like, even if only for a moment, he had the pushed the Primarch back, which is badass
what makes it even better is that while fulgrims plan from the start was to convert him, and he had likely been preparing responses to everything he could concive, rylanor had no plans to speak at all, the bomb was already supposed to have gone off. Rylanors off the cuff speech is stronger than the primarchs prepared one.
Isn’t this the same guy who looked at his entire legion and father primarch becoming obscene demons and went “Fuck all of you but especially you” And flipped fulgrim off while detonating a bomb to warn the loyalists?
There was a World Eater loyalist who would go on to become a Grey Knight. Despite the Nails in his own head, he had clarity that the others didnt. Forget his name but he was one of Malcador's picks when Big E had him go find loyal people.
Let's face it. What Rylanor *tried* to do was admirable, but he got his shit pushed in and would have to endure much worse fate if Vistario hadn't grown a conscience all of a sudden.
Think everyone forgets that Rylanor was such a giga-chad that fellow traitors looked at his decaying broken body compared to Fulgrims and instead saw his righteous fury and indomitable will compared to Fulgrims tainted festering soul and they decided they would rather burn with him than serve alongside filth like Fulgrim…….
@@Mondy667while Fulgrim was always a pompous, preening, self important dick, he was also a genuinely nice guy who would always respect those who put in the effort to better themselves. He was also one of the best Primarchs to have roll up to your planet during the Great Crusade because he would actually try diplomacy, and the guy was so charismatic that you’d usually be convinced to join the Imperium without having to fight at all.
Rylanor was such a chad that not only did he redeem a Chaos Marine, he redeemed him so hard that said Chaos Marine committed suicide to save Rylanor from being corrupted by Chaos.
Fulgrim did achieve perfection in the end. In his arrogance he thought this perfection he knew he created to be himself, but it never could have been. The perfection he unwittingly created was instead in his legion, his geneson, Rylanor, who demonstrated every virtue of humanity, every great thing of his legion, and who's perfect hatred burned so intensely that Istvaan would once more be scorched in flames. Only after it had all happened did Fulgrim realize the true perfection he had created. Then he slinked away, his pride and arrogance damaged forevermore.
...Did you know that when Rylanor says that he waited 'a million nights' to flip off Fulgrim, he's actually UNDER-exaggerating? Rylanor waited 10,000 YEARS for Fulgrim, and 'a million nights' is only 2,739 years, 265 days?
I like to believe than in another timeline a not corrupted fulgrim its getting pull out the battle for the sons of magnus in tears because his son already in a Dreadnought its about to detoned a virus bomb to stop the nyds, fulgrim hates himself for losing a son once again for the second time.
Upon that day, a wound was dealt more terrible than any boltor, more devastating than any Titan, more destructive than any warhead. A wound was dealt to the very soul of a turncoat, for Excess, hungering Excess, faced the one thing that it cannot, will not, can never comprehend: *Sacrifice.* For in the immortal words of a forgotten man: *"Rylanor deserves better than you, o Primarch! Rylanor deserves better than all of us!"* These words will never be known to anyone, save exactly one person: the depraved Primarch itself. No Imperial scholar will write tales of Rylanor or Vistario. But Fulgrim? He will remember. He, in his darkest, most private moments, will never forget the son that rejected him. That wound will never close or heal; it will fester and rot until Fulgrim succumbs to it. Let that be enough.
And since Fulgrim is now a Daemon Primarch... Deamons being the amalgamation of emotions reflected in the warp... He's actually wounded by this attack on his ego As his own image is broken by the rejection.
@@Zhentarim I believe Clonegrim knows all about his original's fall to chaos, if I'm correct. And he hated when had become. Even better, he could take ferrus manus's place on the loyalist side, since GW clearly doesn't care that much. And maybe we could get a bit more insight on him, through Clonegrim's memories. Make it sort of a symbolic representation of Ferrus coming back to the world.
@@patrickdees5256 I was more thinking about him pretending to be nice and setting a trap, and what information he would get is more of an insight into Rylanor.
INSPIRED BY THE THINGS IVE HEARD I RAISE MY VOICE AND SHOUT CLEARLY AND OUT OF TURN RYLANOR DESERVES BTTER THAN YOU OH PRIMARCH RYLANOR DESERVES BETTER THAN ALL OF US!
INSPIRED BY THE THINGS I'VE HEARD, I RAISE MY VOICE AND SHOUT CLEARLY AND OUT OF TURN "RYLANOR DESERVES BETTER THAN YOU, OH PRIMARCH! RYLANOR DESERVES BETTER THAN ALL OF US!" WITH BUT A SINGLE SHOT MY RAPTORAE IS RELIEVED OF DUTY AND RELEASED OF HIS TASK. I FEEL THE VIRUS REND ME APART WITH MY HONOR INTACT AS I'M ENVOLOPED BY THE ENCROACHING FLASH
Fulgrim:what...? Clonegrim:here i stand. Here i remain. You are not me. You are no prince. You are but a monster who talks and moves in my corrupted flesh. Wither and decay,for this destiny ends here. I am fulgrim, primarch of the emporors children,son of the emporor beloved by all. For all my cursed blood that died upon isstvan. For the millions i let burn. And for the man who gave me balance...THE. ANCIENT. AWAITS.
If the uncorrupted Fulgrim escapes from Trazyn's museum and rallies the Sons of the Phoenix against the demon Fulgrim's forces while shouting " For Rylanor!" That would be quite a comeback...
There’s a reason GW retired the venerable line of dreadnoughts in 10. Because they know they’d all bitch slap Fulgrim when they release him later in the edition.
What I want from GW. Release Fulgrim amd all that jazz. But, do also release the codex for the legion of the damned and at the same time release the Venerable chassis for dreadnoughts. A man can dream about LotD Rylanor dunking on Fulgrim
The only man I can see as guts (berserk) in 40k and deserved to never be in the series he never deserved any of the horrible things that'd happened to him, only man to make a necron and eldar cry, Rylanor killed me I have brothers and friends that'd mean the world to me and I'd still deal the hell of living in a painful existence if that meant seeing my brothers and their smiles only for everything in your world turned disappear, betrayal, rage, sadness blind hubres, Just seeing your legion decline into degrengates and the man you once call farther a monster to far gone for anything and your baby brothers all them turned into monsters all for you to watch for 10,000 years
For me, the Emperor's Children died on Istvaan 3, and Rylanor, who sacrificed his life for revenge. Every so-called Emperor's Children who joined to Chaos just Fulgrim OnlyFans' subscribers.
Something I've only just considered; it takes a lot of iron will just to defy your own Primarch, considering that you're pretty much biologically programmed to support them. Imagine being so faithful to the Imperium, and so vengeful and disgusted towards your own progenitor that you rewrite this and play a 10,000 year waiting game just to nuke his ass.
