Neither can Shireen Baratheon, Stannis Baratheon, Rickon Stark, Jaime Lannister, Tommen, Myrcella, and many others I like and don't want dying. :) I really want that cunt Cersei to die a horrible death.
I’m convinced that Victarion is going to try and sail through the Smoking Sea, as a shortcut back to Westeros. After all, he’s blessed by the gods of sea and fire, so what could go wrong sailing through boiling water? If he dies, that’s to be expected. If he doesn’t die, that’s hilarious. I just want this dumbass to keep failing upwards
He is very much the one character I think George should just have survive the whole ordeal, would be funny if he had like an epilogue chapter wherever he ends up.
I like the idea that Victarion is too stupid to die. No one thinks he’s a real threat by himself, but still an excellent pawn; thus he somehow manages to get to the end, like the sigma male he is.
I love Vic. All his chapters are great, mine favovite moment was when he was "emancipation" slaves from the ships he captured on his way to Daeny whilst still making them do exatcly what they did before. I can just picture his interaction with Daeny, trying to impress her, "You know, I'm somthing of a Breaker of Chains myself"
I think the honest reality is that GRRM may not "like" the character, but he loves *writing* him... there's so many clever, manipulative plotters in the series that he has to write, and more than a few naive young children (like Bran, whom Martin has said is the hardest character for him to write because he has to try to think like an 8 year old)... Martin's got a ton of characters who are difficult to write, people making plans within plans or struggling with difficult moral choices... and sometimes writing a big dummy who just likes killin' stuff is fun... I think GRRM has refused to kill Vic so far because writing his chapters is probably more fun than anyone else's, and every now and then you just need to take a break from writing "clever" characters
Victarion has achieved the min/max strat like no Ironborn before him: Strength: 10 Perception: 1 Endurance: 8 Charisma: 69 Intelligence: -3 Agility: 4 Luck: 420
A decent twist would be if Euron summoned the eldritch gods, only for him and Vic to fight, with Vic victorious. However, in a strange twist, the gods have great demands he cannot hope to match and he ends up dooming a great portion of the world due to his ego. So while he is victorious in killing Euron he destroys countless lives in exchange.
I think Grrm realized that a character being alive does not necessarily mean that they need to have a ton of pov chapters and instead can just be present and important to the story through other povs. For Victarion i think him being potentially part of Daenerys camp in TWOW and interacting with characters like Tyrion and Barristan is just really cool and interesting so I think he just kept him alive for that instead of just killing him of to make space for more important povs
Considering how Dan and Dave did not even include Victarion in the show at all, I expect Martin to give him an outsized role in the story going forward. For spite, if nothing else. 😀
Um... What is dead may never die? Victarion has been drowned by the drowned god and resurected (something that hasnt happened to euron- i think) therefore surely that coupled with his potential immunity to fire magic, bestowed by his burning hand will make him the perfect character to blow dragon binder (i hope).
@@QuinnTheGM You should make a video about theories how the different houses in Westeros got their Valyrian Steel weapons. We never get to know how the Celtigas got their Valyrian Steel Axe for example
cool video Quinn, I think he planned to have Euron come to SB originally and Vic wasn't needed to live long in that scenario. Just FYI the Celtigar kraken horn is not said to be Valyrian or Valyrian steel. Celtigar is of Valyrian descent, so it may be so, but it isn't said. That would be kinda nuts actually if the Valyrians were thinking about krakens
I had that realization about the horn pretty much as soon as I uploaded. Think I got my wires crossed and got mixed up, since I think the dragonhorn has Valyrian runes and the axe is Valyrian steel.
well it's a reasonable thing to wonder about since Celtigar is Valyrian. Like Ive never even considered that the horn could be Valyrian too. It's always been kind of a mystery. I love the idea of Vic raiding Claw Isle like a power up bonanza haha
Vic is one of my favs, his PoV has surprising vocabulary from an ironborn. He's brutal and awful but a bit endearing? Kind of character you could actually say "I can fix him" and tbh him and Dany could compliment each other well He's not that dumb!!
And Dany clearly has a thing for strong men, as long as she can keep them under her thumb. Someone like Vic who is too dumb to scheme around her might be perfect for her, I can see her falling for him 😅
Vic to this day feels like the dude that no one bets on yet ends up with all the gold. I would love it if that ends up happening and he is the one to rule the Greyjoy name.
Vicky G is so badass even GRRM cant kill him Also the fact he has a firey hand is way to important for him to die so early on, 🤔 i do think he’ll have some part in killing wights with his bare hands maybe lmao
I love dumb evil himbo just getting really lucky and assuming he is actually blessed and super smart. You brought up how he is sailing ingo battle at the start of Winds, buf Victarion is by far in the best position for the battle out of any of the many factions. He is far enough away to avoid the dragon fire, is ambusing a small fleet that is not prepared at all for it, will likely land after Barriston has led his charge and after Tyrion has the 2nd Sons join Dany. He'll attack, then land on shore, then be the freshest army in a war likely to be won by Dany and Myreen. Victarion will luck his way unto being the hero of Myreen
I love how Vic despite being a dumbass is one of the best fighters and naval commanders in the entire series Dude lost a single battle and it was against Stannis the Mannis
Given that Victarion is my favorite character, I don't appreciate George's funky tone about my guy. He better watch himself lol. I actually really like your previous prediction that Vic will help Tyrion take Casterly Rock in Winds. And maybe I'm a bit biased, but it pleases me that Victarion vexes George so much haha. Nice video Quinn.
Fact is his chapters are very well written and to me it seems GRRM had a lot of fun writting him and so he outlived his early doom. I hope he kinda keeps failing upwards. Depending on who he ends up working for he is an interesting dude to have around and an alternative POV when needed. Would be fun him actually getting a "good" ending.
I love Victarion. He may not be a dashing like Jaime or cool like Arthur Dayne. He is not as upstanding as Barristan or clever like Stannis. But he has quality. He is honourable, in that rigid sense. He is strong and brave and he has principles. He isn't dishonest, unless you count his planned betrayal of Euron. But he isn't a snake. Vic is kind of like a flat top/mullet high school jock that thinks he's god's gift to mankind because he's good at football. But' honestly, this story needed a character like that.
The name "Victarion" = Victor/Victory, so it seems like he should be "victorious" is some way and his VS armor and weapon certainly make him hard to kill. Taking Euron out to aid Dany could be interesting. Everybody loves a good bro fight. Greyjoy Bowl...Get Hype?!?!
This might too simple for ASOIAF, but it is too crazy to think that Victarion will survive the story and become the new leader of the Iron Islands? I mean, he is so dumb and fun to see, he could just be this cool side character who will hype the other characters around him and fight The Others with a valyrian steel battle axe. And in the end he wil be cool with whoever sits on te throne.
Martin: You are supposed to die! I'm the author here, are you too dumb to understand that? Victarion: Um... yes? Martin: Damn. I guess there's nothing I can do.
Victorion seems to be one of those characters George loved writing for so much he kept him around, possibly due to how simple he is. I think he's been upgraded in literary sense to someone that will play a larger supporting role. He seems to be a bit of a power fantasy for George, much in the same way Euron is. If Vic does get the axe and horn, he's more than likely joining the last supporting cast like an RPG party member.
@@alvimgabriel4400 He's a good contrast to Euron who's more of a sinister Jack Sparrow. So it's like that perfect draw back to George's pulp magazine inspiration if you ask me. A Barbaric brute, and an evil Swashbuckler pirate. Honestly makes me pretty mad over how the show just made Euron a generic viking loud mouth rude insufferable deux ex machina.
@@ProtomanButCallMeBlues PS Have you noticed how much Euron is the perfect embodiment of fascist symbolism and how these parasites these "crows" grow and devour dead societies of capital? PS Putin is very Tywin Lannister!!! FACEEE
@alvimgabriel4400 ask yourself if you were a writer what you'd use hin for. Because George is pushing him 2 directions, on one hand it looks like he's gonna have some sort of showdown with Euron to spice up the Drowned God lore. On the other he might be one of Danys entourage for how she gets to Westoros and might just settle as a supporting character for her crew.
If claw ilse is like a loot drop for Vic to level him up in a sort of way are there any other characters who would have a simular place. The only other character who i can think of are Sam and the Citadell. Edit, these are some could think of Strong Belwas > valyrian steel arak Deanerys > Dragon binder Jon con > a cure possibly by Sam Aegon > Blackfire (sword) in storms ends basement
He is not evil he compared to shit Cersei does his chapters are basically kingsmoot and him being a just noble fighter against house Sarry in the shields
I’m very curious why you like Victarion is the most evil. He at least had some moral code, he respects his opponents who are brave enough to face him. I’d argue Tyrion or Cersei or even Jamie are more evil as they’ve all set into motion events that killed thousands and thousands of people, fully aware of their actions. Victorian is too dumb for things like that
If we never get an official end to the series, my headcanon ending includes Victarion and Asha defeating Euron and ruling the Iron Islands together. No idea what George's intended ending for them is though. After so many changes, he probably doesn't really know himself anymore.
@@grey-pilled5253 I said they’d be co-rulers, I never specified they had to be romantically involved. But, in this series, there’s certainly no reason why they couldn’t be either.
I like Victarion. I mean I don't like him as a person. He's an awful guy, but he's fascinating as a character. To me, he parallels Jaime. Both are men who faced a horrid 'choice' brought on by a mixture of circumstance and the trappings of their culture. Jaime betrayed his sworn King and killed him in defiance of his oath, whereas Victarion was faced with the rape of his wife by Euron and, instead of defying his societal norms, went along with it despite hating it. This underpins what's meant by Victarion being 'dumb'. He's not really an idiot or anything. He's no Mord. Rather Victarion places too much faith in his Ironborn culture, refusing to budge on its customs, and not being able to fully reach any deeper conclusion more than 'I hate my brother'. The only change he undergoes is to start siding with the Red God, and that's only out of pure pragmatism than any kind of revelation. Victarion only really cares about himself and the image he believes he must represent, whereas Jaime, being a more introspective sort of guy, actually reflects on his actions and is starting to resolve to be better purely for the sake of being better. Victarion will never undergo a transformation like Jaime, because he never questions himself the same way. He just blames external factors. Namely his brother. And need I mention their hands?
@@QuinnTheGM Well Jon Conn and Jaime both share the quality of Tyrion coming into their lives and.... wait... isn't Victarion approaching the Mereenese coast? Are we going to get whacky VictarionXTyrion hijinks?
I’ve always liked brutish characters that live within the laws of nature rather than the laws of man. I’ve always found them fascinating; Karnus au bellona is another one from the red rising trilogy
Might as well keep him alive. He's become a very interesting character especially with Moqorro and how he's now worshipping the Drowned God and R'hllor. He could also serve as an Iron Born that's against Euron and fights back
"He likes to grow the story organically" Man, the copium here really is thick. Dude just does not give a shit about the story anymore, beside milking good money out of bad adaptations of it. Plus by just spamming a lot of foreshadowing without actual plotlines to resolve it, its all overgrown and unwieldy to build on, so he doesn't.
Vic is such a classic pulp sword and sorcery character that I think he will survive purly to subvert expectations. He will just keep punching the things put in front of him and mostly not think about the wider world.
Quinn: He is the dumbest POV character. Me: yep. his head is full if rocks and iron, the poor schmuck. Quinn: and the most evil. Me: What?!? He's a cinnamon roll! Victarion is the biggest smol bean on Planetos! thinks about it for two seconds Me: well yeah, hes a monster. and the fact that I think he just needs cuddles just shows how TERRIFYING non-POV Euron is.
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I think too that Victarion lives long enough to ally with Dany and go back to Westeros. I think that if he dies it has to be against Euron, maybe Victarion even takes control of a dragon and thinks this time he has outmatched his brother only to get one last cruel laugh in his face before Euron reveals himself as the true master of the horn and the real master of the dragon
I for some reason didn't know they had a dragon horn for water... Would that mean that Krakens are water dragons?? After all if we believe that dragons are made creatures, created by blood magic, what is to say that there does not exist a water variant?
My gut tells me that Victarion will likely die in the Meereen battle at some point, but also that if he doesn't, he will likely survive to at least the battle with the Others. I can also see GRRM deciding to let the character live so that there are chapters where Tyrion and Victarion banter at each other, one of the smartest characters and one of the dumbest.
There is 2 characters with a burned hand: jon snow and victarion. This is not a coincidence as jon is the prince that was promised and victarion is azor ahai
You should make a video about theories how the different houses in Westeros got their Valyrian Steel weapons. We never get to know how the Celtigars got their Valyrian Steel Axe for example
if you think about it the drowned men are technically dead already andd what is dead my never die so maybe the others can turn them bc they are already dead
When I read that Vic was being sent to Dany and that Euron would follow later, I saw that as a sign that Vic was sailing straight into a trap. He'll probably end up thrown under the bus by Euron or Dany will lose her shit at him or both. Ironborn are pretty infamous and I doubt those freed by Dany wouldn't not recognise him, at least by word/name if not experience. There's suggestions that the woman with Vic 'from' Euron could be Naathi. Given Dany's companions, I can't see that going well either.
