You have good taste 🤙. I still listen to Mepmphis Will Be Laid To Waste every other day because it's a solid song. But The Chariot will always be my favorite band though. Their live performance was AMAZING. 68' is decent, too
Jean was about the albums and merch and Chariot was about the experience and pushing the boundaries of whatever genre you wanted to put them in. Both good bands, but a wise man once said, A true artist knows when to stop. I think that is true of Josh and the Chariot but not Norma Jean. The Chariot's last show is indicative of that. Every single person in that room was screaming the last words with passion. It's hard to create a band like that.
If you're in the market for using fewer words, you could've just said: "Norma Jean is main stream and The Chariot is punk. I like both, but prefer The Chariot, due to their punk ethos." It's that easy. (My fav NJ albums are the oldies, so I obviously like The Chariot best because the sound is harsher, but I had to say something because your comment clearly tries to make a value judgment without making one about the two bands)
Norma jean weren’t “about the merch and albums “ when josh left in 02. They hadn’t even released bless the martyr. The passion and creativity was there but apparently not for josh. Only josh knows why he left. it remains a mystery to everyone else including his former band members.
Agree with you fully here! The last show the Chariot did in Chicago is still one of those moments I will never ever forget for the rest of my life. So much emotion.
Josh Scogin, and the first Norma Jean album, is the only reason I started listening to that style of metal. It was just constantly in your face, and Josh screams with the most passion I have ever heard someone scream. In fact, the passion is even more on Chariot songs!! But, glad '68 is a thing now!
I saw them at All Star tour on sunday. Both The Chariot and Norma Jean. Both played amazingly. especially when josh came back and screamed a song with norma jean. It was brutal. It was awesome. If you ever get the chance to go to All Star tour, definitely go. The Chariot is the best band to see live. ever. Even if you aren't religious, like me.
If you notice Norma jean makes more money than the chariot........norma jean travels in a top of the line tour bus while the chariot travel in a van........I believe josh chose to leave because it was easier to stay and make more money and play bigger shows.......he took the humble road......the harder road to keep practice his faith........I respect him so much for this because most artist take the easier road and want all the money......Norma jean still rules no doubt about it........
Anthony Gonzalez you do realise he left shortly after the band released their first album right? At which point they weren't at all popular. They were definitely not making real money back then nor would they be making much money now. I guarantee you they have normal jobs when they're not touring, that's how it is these days. Just because a band is in a bus and has a reasonable crowd it doesn't mean they're making big dollars. This is such a common misconception
@@transient442 THANK YOU! I worked for 3 years with Nothing More and everyone was under the notion that we were riding in a nice tour bus that the band members and us crew member had it made. Making money hand over fist etc. Not the case at all. Everyone in the band works a 9 to 5 when not on tour. Luckily we all work at local venues in our respective cities therefore getting time off for touring is very easy. But just bc you roll in a tour bus and sell the joint out each night doesn't mean they have it made.
@@HTXREP Yeah people don't get it. Sure Norma Jean took busses on a lot of tours, but that came out of their earnings. Part of the reason why The Chariot wanted to be done with it was touring in that van, and I've heard at least one of them mention this. People don't understand what it means to be hitting 30 and touring. It's not easy on you, and you're not making money proportionate to the sacrifices. Some of these guys have broken their bodies and foregone having families because they are addicted to the passion of performing.
@goodhelp101 Expressing your emotions through body movements. Pits aren't supposed to be about hurting people, the real purpose is for people the let themselves out in an extreme way.
“My The Chariot” 😂 I loved that first album, recorded Live, one of the most ruckus albums I’ve ever heard. I loved seeing Josh and these guys in Portland some time back mid-2000s
haha, someone at soulfest told me that one year they jumped off the stage and ran into the woods, while still playing, and then came back to the stage. lol. i saw them too, they are ridiculous performers.
I really enjoy this bands attitude. I feel like today, it's sort of a "Trend" to be in a Christan band. People feel like they need to copy others success, and the success is being a Christan band, but while they are doing that, they don't realize that they are bypassing the whole religion. I hope this band sparks a fire in people, and makes them think about the "D.I.Y" attitude and people start doing stuff differently and the way THEY want to do it.
As someone that listened too, loved, and watched both bands live, I can say they were two very different experience's. Norma Jean was much more...."scene" if you will. Much more "Check all the boxes." The Chariot though.....that live show was a fucking life altering moment. It was family, It was violence, it was love and it was war. I miss it veeeery very much.
Norma Jean Redeemer is a masterpiece but I think The Chariot has better albums as a whole. Josh has been in two great bands but moving to The Chariot was the best move ever. I wish they were still around.
I bet Josh saw the direction Jean was going in and realized he wanted to play music more freely and put more effort into stage presence. Look at both bands now. Jean is more about recording and The Chariot is more about live shows.
@thebillster91 Don't know about them, but you are right! I used to be so hooked with NJ. but I since I heared TC 2years ago, I never let go of them.haha
O God the Aftermath was a great album but the worst thing to happen to norma jean was Scogin leaving them, i love the chariot but lutikriss and norma jean will always sound better with Josh.
Its a shame this interview took place when it did. I feel like a lot of people would have much better questions. I can't believe no one asked any follow up when he opened it to the floor.
@burpcore1 I don't know about that, their lyrics really don't reflect anything about their lives and how they want to live. Their lyrics are worth a thousand words. It's not wrong to say that it's religious but it's wrong to say that's all they write about. It's very metaphoric and creative. For example, I always looked at wars and rumors of wars as a story of how war affects a soldier's idea of what is right and wrong. It could also be more of a inner battle of character and decisions.
Wars And Rumors Of Wars is a line from Revelation preceding the apocalypse. A major theme of the album was the passing of Josh's father, and his uncertainty in himself living without him.
BTMKTC is a great album but the best thing that ever happened was Josh leaving. Their musical progression wouldn’t have worked with his vocal style. Their rise to one of the most well paid mainstream metalcore bands in the world was due to Cory. I know this upsets the Memphis fans but that song was only going to take them so far.
The chariot was my end all be all band in 05'-06 and looking back now i ask myself why did this happen, how did religious metalcore have such an profound effect on me. I could never listen to this now its just so whatever, this music did not age well especially religious metalcore. belongs in the ground to be forgotten.
@thebillster91 Wrong sir, Norma Jean is the Almighty Norma Jean even with Scoggin. There is no stopping the Almighty Norma Jean. Norma Jean eats the Chariot.
Nope, mosh pits aren't about beating each other up. They're about just releasing all that energy. What does this have to do with his spiritual beliefs??? Passion, pasiion, passion, passion.
This guy always stuck me as narcissistic. Especially through some of his lyrics but I like the Chariot. Doesn't every album have different members? Probably difficult to work with. Also, kind of glad he left. O' God the Aftermath was a watershed moment for Norma Jean and the new guy did THE perfect job. When I first discovered Norma Jean, Bless The Martyr was my favorite but each album got better and better (although I haven't heard the latest NJ album) and now I never go back to Bless The Martyr. The next 4 albums after that are just so much better.
Bless the Martyr is sooo different though... I like original NJ, Chariot and modern era NJ and I've been listening to them both since the beginning (LutiKriss), but you gotta admit, they're such different bands ... Bless the Martyr is absolutely incredible mathcore and post-Josh NJ is so much more sludgy. I personally still prefer BTM, maybe for nostalgia, but it's just heavier, crazier and more unique from my perspective..
@@standardbrah O God, The Aftermath is a blatant rip-off of Botch. The main style of the entire album is Botch's sound and style. It's my least favorite NJ album. Redeemer & Meridional are the best after Bless The Child.
I do not believe they did. Dallas Taylor left Underoath right after their first album, and he's never rejected God. I haven't cared for their music since he left either. If you haven't heard them, listen to Underoath's first two EP's and their first album. Most people haven't heard Cries Of The Past EP, and it's one of the best pieces of metal music I think has ever been recorded.
Leisure Muffin Super cereal? Josh made a great artistic choice. Norma Jean barey did anything remotely worthwhile after Josh left. Meanwhile, The Chariot amassed a dedicated following and performed some of the most passionate live performances that I've seen.
+Christina Mast // This can't be serious? Really? "Norma Jean barely did anything remotely worthwhile after Josh left"? I can appreciate that other have different musical tastes, but this is just not at all a true comment in any way, shape, or form. Norma Jean, after Josh left, is a better, more complete band, making album after album of incredible music. And have you seen Norma Jean? I will give you that The Chariot has fun shows, but they did not even compare to Norma Jean live.
Wait, do not bands like this promote mosh pits... which in turn enable people to beat the shit out of each other. How does that promote any good notions of religion. P.s. I am of no religious ideology, just curious
The Chariot's first album was the only one I liked for many years. It was recorded in a live room with the band all together rather than 1 instrument at a time. the same way Norma Jean's first album was recorded.
