The Chicago Bulls Are Stuck in NBA Hell | The Bill Simmons Podcast 

I agree this was an in depth and factual discussion but depressing as a Chicagoan.

Not even a guest, he would instantly become maybe the 3rd or 4th best Ringer pod host I think. This was great

@@kylemedbery9060 I agree. If he can kill a rewatchable I'm all in.

@@JamesKlass79 Throw him on the Re-Re-Re-Re Heat 🤣

totally agree

He has his own podcast with the ringer. It’s called the, “the full go with Jason Goff”

Agree

Very well stated

just read this comment, basically is a great summery of the whole video, maybe better

Thanks for jimmy 🔥 fan

And now Lonzo Ball's career might be over...

Man u gave great recap of the post Jordan years!!!

Poole's gonna average 30ppg on 30fga 😂😂😂

It's a great what-if, but no one was beating LeBron during his second stint in Cleveland. Paul George faced him in the ECF in consecutive years and failed to beat him. I doubt Melo with that Bulls team could've pulled it off

That's the thing, half the teams in the league could say the same kind of "what if" if they kept the right guys, and moved on from the wrong ones. Basically every franchise except the perennial losers.

You have to start asking questions of the Bulls S&C/doctors/player development though, with Rose Deng Lonzo suffering these major injuries and players like Jimmy Lauri WCJ blossoming when they leave Chicago. For Lonzo's sake I'd like to see him with a team that has proven it knows what it's doing with touchy injuries and doesn't have pressure for him to come back ASAP

Lavar needs to get his kid outta there

you're so irrelevant that you became relevant

I see a Vuc trade for Ayton down the line🧐

@@ColdHoops That would be a terrible Idea. Ayton is trash, dude is never gonna take the next step, never gonna be a finisher. He has no heart.

Ayton is trash and looks like a locker room killer that vooch deal is not bad at all

A lot of people don't realize how much of a impact the new cba will affect teams I agree with you I think the biggest thing is what to do with Lonzo tell me any team who loses there starting elite pg for 2 seasons how will they look

The east just got better around the same time of that trade and that Lonzo injury

He had Gordon doing the defense dirty work so vooch didn't need to be the anchor, which he is in Chicago, obviously not a good one. That explains him falling off at the 3, cause he wastes a lot of energy defensively ...

The problem is Chicago was in the lottery when they made that trade and were basically handing the magic a guaranteed lottery pick in the top 10

Same here. But much worse guys are getting similar contracts so I can't hate.

Yeah Vuc getting $20 mil a year is a huge bargain. It would be an awesome contract if they weren’t stuck with Derozan as their #1 guy. Spent their money on a guy that doesn’t meaningfully raise their ceiling and simultaneously alienated their franchise guy in Lavine.

​@@WeMissDimebagyou just mentioned one of the biggest issues though, if Lavine is your franchise guy then you're in trouble...

​@@WeMissDimebagit really isn't with the new cba.

@@TerpsMatterPodcast Uh, yeah, it obviously was a bargain when he signed it and it's even more obviously a bargain after some of these free agent deals. They got him for super cheap.

Zach has been the #1 option in Chicago since 2018, he was the guy before DeMar showed up & the Bulls never took the next step forward. LaVine is just a scorer & nothing else.

Demar and Lonzo came at the same time, LaVine has never been the #1 on an even average roster. I’m not even saying I want LaVine to be our #1, but let’s be fair

@TomDelayBeats So all those years of losing before Lonzo and DeMar came didn't teach you anything? I know you had an awful coach back then, but get serious 🤨

Lavine just isnt a winner. And neither is Derosen for that matter. Blow it up and start over.

see what he is? LaVine isn’t 23 years old, everybody knows exactly what he is

Unfortunately our big 3 players don't mesh all that well. Zach Lavine is at his best when he's slashing towards the hoop. Which coaches try to encourage by pulling their bigs out and clearing the lane. It's why we sat Lauris butt behind the 3 pt line every game he played for us. It's probably why we never saw his potential. It takes Vuc away from the block. He's very capable of shooting out to the 3 point line but he's usually at his best when he gets rolling down low early. DeMar and Zach both need the ball in their hands...and it's especially bad late in games. DeMars first season was so crazy with game winners they I think he plays hero ball all the time late in games...which usually means Zach and Vuc are doing nothing. Our best young players are stuck behind vets who score. Patrick Williams is clearly much better at playing 3 than 4. He's not being aggressive enough on offense and although he's great on D he can get really bullied by guys like Jaren Jackson Jr and Evan Mobley. Coby White looked like he took a big step last season but he's behind Lavine and Alex Caruso...Coby White could be a 20ppg scorer if we went into rebuild mode and I think he would really benefit from being the focus. One upside has been his defense has improved because otherwise he wouldn't have been allowed on the court. And worst of all the Bulls have absolutely ZERO rim protection. Zach's an average defender after, DeMar isn't guarding anyone any more. On the other end, what has also really hurt us, is with DeMar we really aren't shooting enough 3s. We actually have some great shooters with Zach, Coby, and PWill (who has quietly been a 40% 3 pt shooter in his career). We just don't shoot them enough. We have dudes but we don't have dudes whose game compliment each other. We have log jams in some positions and completely empty in others. We really don't have a 4 on our team at all and our 5s don't defend. Our front office has fallen victim to the sunk cost fallacy. This team is old and is in no danger of becoming contenders. But because we gave up so much to try and win right away our FO is afraid to look foolish by going to a rebuild again.

I mean the team they put together a few years ago was pretty good just a lot of bad luck

Bulls should've been aggressive to get a top-5 pick in trades but I guess they're most valuable assets aren't that valuable or they're requesting too much for what they'd get in return 🤷‍♂️

🎯 !!!! no need to say more. ownership, ownership and ownership. franchise win championship, how ironic

I genuinely believe they would’ve won it all if lebron didn’t hit that shot

Lame. Rose in 2015 was half the player he had been in 2011. Lebron did nothing but kill a mediocre pretender (like he did with the 13-14 Pacers and the Derozan Raptors).

That bullls team wasn’t that good and like the guy said above, rose was half the player he was.

@@carlwheezer4003delusional

It teases the fans. When you’re a top 5 market, championship should be the expectation or the goal at the least

Portland can’t afford Lavine with the other salary they’re bringing on

Halliburton is so slept on.

It's so easy to say things like that. But two summers from now, they could draft or acquire a franchise leading point guard in free agency/trades and you'd forget about that 🤷‍♂️

Never understood what the front office saw in Williams. Guy is a bum.

They should've never drafted Williams & then they didn't wanna give him up when he had value now he's worthless

Do you want Bill to pretend the East was a buzzsaw in the 2010's? It was an abominable conference for six seasons (2013-2018).

OKC & Houston are sort of in the “middle” but they have a ton of young talent and assets, whereas the bulls do not

​@@jwoodfill14agree especially OKC that they have young building blocks like SGA

OKC and Houston do not want to be in the middle. They are expecting their young guys to get better. Young teams can have that expectation. But when your core are who they are, and you are a play in team, there isn't much expectation of getting better. Fit also matters. Making a sideways trade, that makes the team make sense, can lead to better results. If I'm the Bulls, I got to get rid of Derozan. Make Zach the guy, clear up the midrange for Vuc, and go from there. Hell, Herro might be good on the Bulls as a secondary scorer behind Lavine, whereas Derozan gets to clog up the lane in Miami.

OKC are 2 seasons away from being a playoff team, and a consistent one moving forward

@@ColdHoops they will be a playoff team this season