This is the teaching, as being teached by John Piper, that accelerated my development of OCD which ruined my life, caused me to wreck my family and ultimately broke me completely to the point my parents were going to send me to a mental hospital because I refused to eat. Only when I deconverted I could start to heal, but I’m probably stuck with some of the damage forever. The teaching came exactly in the time when I had minor doubts about scripture. I realized I couldn’t do anything without faith and it not being sin, didn’t want to sin, but had doubts, so I didn’t do anything including eating because that’d be sin. When my parents forced me to do things like brush my teeth, I prayed for forgiveness every second, resulting in this 2 minute activity sometimes taking an hour while crying because I was willingly sinning. Yeah. Great teaching.
Yes, I woke up today and chose to feel a sense of existencial dread and fear related to my emotional safety that is so bad it makes focusing on my school work nigh impossible and causes my stomach to become so tumultuous that I feel like I’m going to throw up.
It's all disgusting. That piece of gum analogy from purity culture was disgusting. Purity culture is disgusting. Indoctrinating people and keeping them from educational answers, abusing them in every way and making them fear critical thinking in case it sends them to hell is disgusting.
Completely agree 👍 there @DeathEatsCurry, especially since anxiety is not a joke 😔 since I had live with it since from losing my dog 🐶 and grandmother many year's ago
struggling with my job right now and if I quit it will hurt me not only financially hurt me but it will hurt my relationship with my family it's a bad situation but telling me that the anxiety I have is a sin is the most fucked up ridiculous and untrue thing I've ever heard
Yeah I loved sweating and weeping on the bathroom floor against my will while I swept in and out of reality against my will as tho I had a fever as my body got torn apart. I'm sure if people had a choice they definitely would choose that lmfao People love suffering and we'd pick that every time ...that's sarcasm no fucking person would pick that
Strangely enough, that saying (in eastern philosophies like Taoism and Buddhism) is actually true if you aren't attaching a label of "good" or "bad" or "sin" to the anxiety or the pride. If you read "pride" as "ego" (your ego is sculpted by not only you, but also your environment, the people around you, local religions etc.) and "anxiety" as "concerns/stress about the self"... Lets say you have general anxiety about a medical diagnoses of Anxiety... is it actually YOU inside who is anxious about it? Is it an external force acting within you to impose a judgement on yourself, *based on someone else's standards*? Who decides what parts of you are bad and good and why? Who are you punishing yourself for? (Note: Ego isn't used here in the Id/Ego/SuperEgo way but if you aren't into eastern stuff, then the ego in my example would actually be the superego part of Freuds trio)
"If you try to change it, you will ruin it. Try to hold it, and you will lose it." - Dao De Jing by Lao Tzu on the subject of Wu Wei (literally translated as "without exertion.")
"It is wise to be mindful of mindfulness. To put it simply, mindfulness is the non-judgemental acceptance and appreciation of the moment. There is no attachment to this moment; there is no particular labelling to the moment, no predetermined predilection or prejudice to it. The moment simply is what it is. Whilst pride presupposes outcomes and expectations, mindfulness does not weigh the practitioner down with any of those things." - Pride vs. Mindfulness: A Buddhist perspective by Jarrad Hurley and William Gundling of Buddha House in Tusmore, South Australia
TLDR; You have been carved without your consent. Become uncarved wood. You don't have to be someone else's tool or chair. You Are Already & *Always* WHOLE.
@@joshua.merrill yeah I mean I ain't suicidally depressed and I can bear living now. I'm honestly doing better than I used to be and I can actually look in a positive manner at my future instead of wanting death. So yeah I am in a healthier mindset and I thank you for your input (non-sarcastically speaking).
But seriously, I had a job at a call center a few years ago that was so stressful Id regularly retch bile into the grass every morning on my walk to my car. Anxiety was nothing new to me, but when it started to manifest in such a visceral way, I talked to my doctor about it. She explained that anxiety is like a malfunctioning fight or flight response, and thats why you feel nauseous, why your heart races, or you start to sweat. Your brain is telling you you need to react to survive, even if theres not an overwhelming threat to reason with. To manage my physical well-being, I ended up quitting the highest paying job Ive ever had. When religious institutions sweep that shit away and dump all the burden of mental health into faith value directly onto the shoulders of the believers, they only ostracize, instead of building people up. I know that churches are beacons of community for some, but Ive only been painted as an outsider anyways, but I couldnt imagine having dedicated my life to the church only to hear my pastor saying my anxiety makes me wrong or not a believer. 🤷♀️ Why they keep pusing the finish line? Lol
Takes my religious sister has on mental health: 1. Anxiety and depression can only be cured by turning to christ. 2. My house is demon infested because my mom has severe anxiety and trauma, which makes it hard for her to maintain it. 3. I am "sick" because I'm taking medication for anxiety. 4. Tarot cards are the source of my depression. 5.People aren't born gay, they just had bad childhoods. I could go on...🤮
Funny enough with 5, there isn't necessarily a single gay gene but multiple genes contributing multiple factors to you being gay (as well with some environmental influences).
That's funny because I signed up to moon sign reading emails and get tarot readings with it. All I have to do is think of a question and choose a card at random.
Fun fact! The BITE model is an acronym for the four ways cults control you. It stands for behavior, information, thought, and emotion control. The labeling of some emotions as "sinful" is a core example of emotion control.
Anyone interested in the BITE model should watch the channel TellTale here on RU-vid, he has a lot of videos where he evaluates different cults and religions based on the BITE model.
@@lincolnwhiting8746 It helped me realize how cult-like fundamentalism is. I had already left my faith and had been an atheist for while, but I never really realized how harmful and cult-like the church I grew up in was, which was a fundamentalist baptist church, until I watched TellTale's videos.
It's because of the BITE model that I assert there is no difference between a religion and a cult. Religions are just cults that got big enough to get tax breaks. That is literally the only difference.
Yeah. Like I said somewhere else here: I'm confused... I thought things like "do not fear" was just God trying to comfort you. That's how i always saw it... Are there actually people who have this extremist definition of it? where exactly is the "or else" part of "Do not fear?"
@@joeykitty8678 Considering the way God treats his subjects, particularly Job, often on a whim... yes. Sure, dude made out in the end... but realistically, dude lost his family suffered through famine and disease on a divine bet with a Satan, and God made him whole /materially/. Fuck that. Give him back his old family /at least/. There's actually an interesting intepretation of God in the Gnostic faith (branch of Judaism) iirc, that more or less says that God's existence on our material world corrupts them and makes them a chaotic force we must strive to appease lest we be punished. The concept of Original Sin also pretty heavily influences the 'or else' bit.
@Big Mike my brother has a similar story as you do. i was in my early teens when my mom took him to an exorcist. i do think my parents where desperate enough to try anything to help him with his bipolar disorder and schizophrenia and my parents do believe in demons. the thing with mental illness it is usually a life long problem, and can cause a lot of stress on people who are closest to the person afflicted by the illness. i wish i knew how to make mental illness to go away, it causes a lot of harm.
But teachings from Buddhism became one, of the most, commonly utilized current mental health therapy in the modern western world. Many people did turn to Christianity and found their sense of purpose and moments of happiness. Just to give a different viewpoint.
@@Account.for.Comment Nope! Buddhism wasn’t the answer. Its was Buddhism’s spiritual techniques, mediation, that was the helpful. Remember! Different viewpoints are only helpful if they are spiritually principled, NOT absolutely dogmatic. After Buddhism is a religion just like Christianity; and can be abused
I am a Christian who is planning on specializing in neuropsychology after my undergrad. If anyone wants to talk about mental health and spiritually I’m ready and willing. (Disclaimer: I can’t diagnose or treat anyone yet.)
"True Christians don't have suicidal thoughts." I heard that so many times when i was christian and it never got any better. Just told to pray about it and it will 'go away' it took me years after leaving Christianity to finally find help and not feel guilty for doing so.
With the way heaven is spoken about a lot and how Christians are just waiting for Jesus to come back and take them to some utopia sounds like being suicidal. Am I mistaken?
@Hellbound Iscariot what Christians fail to miss in the book, they don't read is that Jesus said his generation would see his second coming. Um. He's over 2000 years late...........And they still waiting for sky daddy.
I’m a Christian here and I’m here to say, I disagree with the statement of “not a true Christian if you are suicidal”. Everyone goes through hardships, some periods more extreme than others. Even if you are suicidal, the message that the Lord is merciful should not be flung out the door. He of course doesn’t want you to take your own life, but he is a patient, understanding, and forgiving God. He loves you personally and wants the best for you. You still can be a Christian whilst being suicidal. Some may call being suicidal a sin in which by definition is, but the Lord forgives you. Those who’ve disregarded your mental health as something you can just change did not represent the Lord. It is a process of having talks with people you trust, the Lord, and psychologists. I pray for you and may the Lord bless you 🙏 ✝️
It was the devil, you weren't baptized correctly, you were sinning in your heart, Jesus was testing you to make you stronger, you chose the wrong Christianity. The excuses are endless, people should just get as far away from the cult of Christianity as they possibly can.
I'm a Christian. Last year, a dear friend of mine, who was also an honest to goodness Christian committed suicide after a long battle with mental illness. Many of the quotes from those preachers were downright insulting.
Mental health is something we need to acknowledge. Someone needs help sometimes. It takes a special type of person to be able to understand what another person needs though. Some people see people and dismiss them as not having problems. Some help but not in ways that are effective. The fact you cared at all makes you a good freind. Some victems don't even have that much.
Me: I’m anxious and depressed. Church: God says Do Not Fear. Me: Oh cool, that’s so comforting! So God’s saying I shouldn’t be afraid that He’ll hate me for my mental health issues, because He still loves me and we’ll get though it together? Church: No dimwit He’s saying snap out of it because you’re an ungrateful sinner for being anxious and depressed. Me: ...Oh.
My depression, anxiety, and suicidal thoughts lessened almost immediately after I dropped out of the church. Bad stuff still happens to me, the difference is that I'm no longer surrounding myself with people who say that it's my fault.
Honestly once I became an atheist I immediately noticed a huge improvement to my mental health, before I was downright suicidal and couldn't imagine living a life I could enjoy but now I can look towards having a future that isn't filled with despair and self loathing.
@@ghuttsmckenzie4269 - Whenever an Atheist says this, I have Doubts. After all, We have Actual Studies on how what We call Religion benefits Mental health. meanwhile, I have never seen a Church teach ":You should Hate Yourself". Quiet the Contrary, The Bible says We don't Hate Ourselves. Christianity does not teach Self Loathing. And I Doubt Your mental health improved by becoming a Bigot.
@@kobayashi1194 - We're on a Video that says Christianity harms Mental health an makes No Distinction between Varieties of Christian, that is on a Channel that makes Videos about how Evil Christianity is for saying You don't Deserve Love or how Christian Love is Conditional or how God is like an Abusive Boyfriend and that never Once Hints at different Kinds of Christians. You don't seem to have a Problem Viewing All Christians as Bigots, or as Abusive, or as offering only Conditional Love, or wanting to Control People. I made a Comment about a Specific Type of Situation, and yet I am calling All Atheists Bigots. Right. Ghutts McKenzie Claims The Christian Church, a Single Monolithic Institution All Christians Apparently Belong to, Teaches You Despair an Self Loathing. That is a Lie. And it is Bigoted against Christians. And I Simply do not Care if You want to Cast Me as the Villain here.
The last conversation I'll probably ever have with my father ended with him telling me that me and my sister were not trans, but demon possessed, and me telling him to never talk to me again. I literally said that me realizing I was trans was the only thing that stopped me from killing myself earlier that year. And he just didn't even acknowledge it. Throughout my time in Christianity I had several boughts of severe depression and I never once felt I could tell others because I knew the only answer I was going to get was "pray more." Like I wasnt already doing that. Anyways, happily queer and fully loving embracing good mental health help now. Neither things I ever would have if I stayed in my previous faith.
I am so sorry you had to go through that. I am glad you can embrace yourself for who you really are nowdays! I love and support the LGBTQA+ community as an ace ally. When I was little and being forced to go to church, I asked a lot of hard questions. They just told me to pray more. But, in middle school I had one amazing teacher. If she didn't know the answer to something, she didn't tell me to "pray more". She told me to wait a moment while she looked it up. Then, she would print off what she found and hand it to me. I am so glad she was a part of my life.
Yeah, the tough realisation that a parent who is very religious doesn’t really love you, but loves and cares more about an entity they never met and that never really helped them through their life is something that I’m going through. I’ve never fully come out to him, ‘cause I’m a proud agnostic, but a closeted pan, and that alone led him to make my life a living hell at the moment, so I feel trapped and sometimes even really hopeless. Again, even he thinks I’m infested with demons when in reality he’s the one who’s making me so miserable. And after all that talk whilst demonising me, he actually has the guts to tell me “that he loves me” when he outright said to me that he would leave me and my mum if he were “without God”. Idk how he builds so much confidence into telling us that he doesn’t really care about us, when I’m here, wishing I were dead because I’ve been treated as a burden for almost all my life but still here, healthy and alive, because I’m very attached to the life I had before telling my father I was agnostic and still very much care about him. It’s really a cruel world and I’m very happy for you, that you were able to free yourself from oppression. I really wish you all the best forever ‘cause you deserve it.
@@undrwatropium3724 Now is a great time, actually! There is a lot of dating apps that are LGBTQA+ friendly and you can search for friends, romantic partners, pen pals, etc. There is probably even Facebook groups for this kind of stuff. More people are aware and re-evaluating themselves so they can be more honest and open in their relationships. Please don't give up! Just be aware there is sometimes dating app bots and scams. So, don't give up but be careful out there! I hope you find what you are looking for :)
According to their twisted ideology he's right. According to reality though whilst he's technically right (the word derives from the name of the ancient Hebrew graveyard known as the Valley of Death) I doubt any sane parents are going to book a trip to Israel with the graveyard on the itinerary as a punishment for their kids. Original sin doesn't exist either because the Garden of Eden is easily disprovable- we know humans evolved over six migrations out of Africa not magicked into existence with a golem spell.
Ironically, the bible also preaches the exact opposite, to judge everyone by their own sins. Basically, the bible is just a bunch of good and bad ideas to pick from (except when you can't, because a preacher tells you you're wrong and chooses the bad ones for you).
@@Nartinan Your comment makes me want to retract my comment about this being the best we Christians can do. Also thanks for confirming my suspicions of this whole propagating of us being innate Hellbound sinners is from preachers and not the Bible... Can't say I'm surprised though...
@@Lianzi_Spl yeah, it felt a bit aimed at underage and really young girls, amd this dude talking about it with this infantilizing language is horrifying
@@suppersdinner119 bruh, my school told us girls not to wear backless dresses for prom. All I could think about was this "First Holy Communion dress" that this guy held up. I also thought that I wasn't gonna anyways, as I have terrible back acne & scars.
No joke, I have misophonia, which is a mental illness that causes you to have an intense hatred of sounds. Like, you hear a sound, and you genuinely want to rip out your own ears. One of my biggest triggers was the sounds I heard whenever my family was praying together- and my parents refused to stop. I was forced into a painful situation every single day, even though it destroyed my mental health. I was also told that my mental illness was a ‘gift’ that would allow me to ‘suffer for the glory of God’.
I always keep earplugs on me for the most part. I wear earplugs many times even before I walk into most stores. I can't stand kids screaming, high pitched noises of any kind, fireworks and I also can't stand people talking too loudly. If I can hear you clear as a bell with my earplugs then you are talking way too loud the way I see it.
God actually wants his children to take medical help.. The reason he created medicinal plants so that it can be used as medicines. The truth is life and death is in God's hand but when it comes to physical ailments, it is in our hands.
the religious trauma thing is so real, and the hardest part of dealing with it is christians who act like its the biggest offense ever that i dared to have a negative life experience with god or the church.
what christians can’t represent honestly (and might not even be able to perceive accurately) is that Christianity *is* its members and their actions. There is no “true Christian” except maybe those with power over the faith (popes, cardinals, bishops, and the systems of power they create) and those “true Christians” have always been morally bankrupt exploiters and enablers of exploitation.
It's just like how Christians will see someone stating that they have rapture anxiety and have the nerve to say, "What's there to be anxious about? The rapture is a beautiful thing!" or "It's not likely to happen in your lifetime, so what's there to be anxious about?" As if people don't have entire quarters of their lives thrown away waiting for something that's less likely to happen than another cretaceous asteroid strike. As if everyone will be just jumping for joy at the idea of becoming a mindless cheerleader for a "benevolent dictator."
@@mariaquiet6211 but they aren’t. Some other Christians might disagree with me, but I’m a Pentecostal Christian, which basically means I prioritize a personal relationship with God rather than having a relationship with the church. It’s all very low-church, nothing like the high-church Catholicism or Orthodoxy. The people from my point of view do not represent the faith, but through the bible & God’s work does the faith get represented.
I remember being in church once and hearing that having self-esteem was a sin, because it was serving yourSELF instead of god so to have god-esteem instead. 🤦♀️
I still have an intense complex about this very thing to this day and have nearly lost my life to it multiple times. I literally cannot be proud of my own work without feeling like less than an object, and with no therapy in sight I am stumbling around in the dark.
U know what's the worst thing I'VE ever heard? That HAVING FRIENDS is a SIN because no one should be more important than 'god'. If you have friends and start to value them then you're at risk of loosing your loyalty to god and you're going to be punished for that. Like.. wtf?! XD We then continued to have a little discussion where they said that 'god' also healed their depression. I mean, good for them but manipulating yourself to the point of complete denial and 'recovery' isn't something that works for everyone. Not to mention that the RU-vid video (in which comment section we had the discussion) was one of the most DISTURBING videos I've ever come across on RU-vid. Religion can be so scary. Like seriously...
@@vk4165 Okay that's both really funny and sad, because Jesus called his disciples and followers "friends". He also called us to love one another as ourselves. Shame on whoever even wrote that you that having friends is a sin. That is not only untrue, but also goes directly against the very commandment God gave us.
I honestly had to stop watching this one. I remember being convinced by an old church I went to that I was under a "spiritual attack" as my depression and anxiety started to manifest themselves in late high school. It was honestly damaging and led to a rough start to college. Thankfully I got out of that church and eventually started to get the help I needed.
@Matthew Jarrett As a Christian, I'm left to think you weren't under a spiritual attack if therapy was all you needed. But at the same time maybe you were and all you needed the willpower to handle it on your own. I can't say. What I will say is that God's not a genie meant to solve all your problems, just the ones too big for you to handle. I had to learn that myself ages ago.
@@DemonicRemption Listen, buddy, I'm going to say this as respectfully as I can, because I prefer to educate than to be a complete jerk, but telling someone that their mental health issues are just an issue of "willpower" is like telling a diabetic to say "okay pancreas, make the insulins". It is both insulting and uninformed.
@@AnarchicEowyn Apologies for making such an implication, as I'm well aware for some people it's more that an issue of willpower. But see sir, Christian though I am, I'm a jaded and bitter soul. And often I've seen people like you surrounded by people who don't give a high holler about your condition and think you'll just "get over it." I find myself thinking:"Gee, if that person was with people who cared to motivate and love that person, maybe they wouldn't be in such a broken state." Not sure if positive environment would help, but at this point I'm too old and too selfish to care.
@@nothanks6549 Your comment has made me furious with myself. Because I just finished the rough draft of my first Christian novel, which has a character that you would relate to if I didn't make him a FREAKING ATHEIST STRAWMAN!!! But like I said this is rough draft, I can fix this and rework it into a secular novel. Thing is as a published writer who practices Christianity, I have a cross to bear about "not being a true Christian" because I write for secular readers instead of Christians alone. So in order to ease the weight of this cross, I'm writing a Christian novel that's as flimsey as a PureFlix movie, but I also wanted to see if I could get away with writing a secondary character with a relatable character arc. And your comment feels like the universe slapping me in the face for my mistake. But like I said, I can fix this.
I was christian and very depressed . I was almost suicidal. Church just made it worse because no matter what I did I was still depressed and they said I wasn't trying .
I once mentioned in a Christian counselling session that I had suicidal ideation, and the overall tone of the advice given to me was that it was all my fault because I wasn't a good enough Christian.
I’m sorry this happened to you guys. I’m a Christian who’s studying psychology and neuropsychology in college and I hope to help people like you both medically and spiritually. We need to remember that the church is an ICU, not a penthouse. Jesus healed the sick and ate with the marginalized. You can talk to me, a Christian woman, about anything.
When I worked at Kenneth Copeland Ministries, one of my coworkers died of cancer. People in the office literally said that it was because she didn't pray right, she didn't speak words of faith. 🤦♀️
I think Copeland was the pastor that a woman was listening to and he said “no mental health medicine” and that woman had schizophrenia and she cut off the arms of her baby because god told her too. Perhaps meditation would have kept that from happening
Two weeks after one of my classmates was raped on campus by a member of the football team, our school had an assembly on the importance of sexual purity, reiterating their policy of student abstinence and how important it was that girls not lead boys into sexual temptation. Oh, and I didn't figure out why my classmate was crying so hard after that assembly until ten years later when about two hundred former students came out with similar stories of abuse at our private Christian school. But sure, Jesus is the answer to your depression and anxiety.
God I hate how that discussion always includes "dont lead boys on" because the girls arent. Unless she goes "I want to do this" she isnt leading him on. Teach the boys it's not okay to do this and there needs to be serious repercussions for it.
"Can you imagine someone saying Lupus is a sin, or you need to repent from your lung disease?" You fully realize that this was one of several common tactics used by missionaries to convert Native Americans, though, right? That's not a hypothetical, it actually happened.
I think he meant today People ignore what the church did in the past, because if they think about it for 1 minute they will realize they follow a institution in the same level of the nazi party
if someone said that to me these hands are flying someone would have to restrine me cause I grew up my whole life watching my mom suffer from it and she still does to this day to the point she has discos and stomach problems now
"At the center of your anxiety is your pride" Oh gee, I never considered that the reason I don't ask for help in stores because I don't want to waste the workers time, or ask friends to hang out because I don't want to waste their time, or tell people I like them because I don't want to make them uncomfortable, etc etc, was that I was just too damn prideful. This person clearly wasn't even familiar with the concept of anxiety to begin with.
Feeling like I'm not good enough to be worth anything = Pride Love thy neighbor = Tell Everyone else they're going to hell Keep your virginity intact = how dare you be asexual, you have to get married and have kids. What will your future husband think? Just don't be sad = prescription mental health medication is Of The Devil
The problem with this Video is You have No idea that Context. That ia not an excuse, and I Tire of how it is mocked. I Have No idea what is meant by The Centre of Your Anxiety is Pride and neither do You. A short Clip is not enough to Understand what is being said. For all you Know this was a position being rejected. Even if not, shat is Anxiety and Pride? and is this a specific Case beign discussed? Or a specific Kind of Case? Why assume its about all forms of Anxiety and every use of the word Pride? You can[t just take short clips and assume You Know what is being said.
@@Emily-ye1rj - You prove how irrational Atheists are. Anxiety is not feeling you are unworthy. Anxiety is excessive Worry. And pride can cause this. its not the Only Cause, but it is something that can happen in some instances. Love thy neighbour does not mean telling Everyone they are going to Hell and in the real World this is not what Christians do all the Time. Reducing Christians to saying You are going to hell to everyone, or at least all nonChristians, is itself Misrepresentitive. Also, don't You Think saying Keep your Virginity means how dare you be Asexual is stupid? That is clearly not what valuing Virginity is about. Especially since Christians accept Celibacy as a Moral Alternative to marriage. It is simply false to say Christians demand everyone get married. as for don;t be Sad means don;t take medication is not only a stupid way to understand don;t be sad, Christians don't say don't be Sad. At all. In fact, Christians discuss Sadness, and say more than just it is sin and get over it. This is why Ii dnt believe Atheists know anything about Christianity, even those who say IU use to be Christian so I know. This is a Lie.
@@sarahjordan4845 - You have to Lie by saying Christianity teaches You are a Worthless Sinner who doesn't Deserve Love to say that, and even Your definition of Anxiety is a Lie. You lot love "the dictionary Definition" Argument, so here;s "The Dictionary Definition: of Anxiety. "a feeling of worry, nervousness, or unease, typically about an imminent event or something with an uncertain outcome:" Anxiety is not anxiety is feeling you are unworthy of others time. . Also, You Know that Thing You Love and use instead of Religion called Science? It proved Regular Church Attendance is linked to Higher Rates of Mental health, and lower rates of Depression, Anxiety, and Stress. if Christianity made Anxiety Worse, We'd not see that. It also is not simply being in a support Group. Support Groups do not show the same levels, nor do fanclubs or Atheist Organizations. It is also no =t because Christians do not Know their own religion thus do not have the Negative Effects. Not only could that Fail to explain why they do better than the average Member of Society in terms of Mental Health Results, but the more Devout have the best Results, and devout is understood as studying the Religion as well as Practicing it.
i remember when i was literally in a mental hospital program…a number of my Christian friends essentially told me i should just try to be happy and trust God. It didn’t help that my mental health issues weren’t caused by external issues…so being told things like that just made me feel so guilty for feeling the way i felt.
@@BeliefItOrNot Thank you. Things are still rough but so, so much better than they used to be. I’ve finally started to let go of the idea that it is all somehow my fault or the result of me not having enough faith or being ungrateful. These videos have honestly helped a lot with putting things in perspective for me. As someone currently questioning my own beliefs, it’s rather eye-opening to see just how toxic some of the messages I grew up believing really are, so thank you.
How wonderful! My cherished younger daughter and I both live with mental illnesses. When I was a teenager, my dad told me, “Depression is the most selfish thing you can do.” He believed will power could conquer anything, but told me I was very weak-willed. This is so very affirming. Years of therapy and meds have saved my life-and my daughter’s.
That's actually a very wrong response.. God actually wants his children to take medical help.. The reason he created medicinal plants so that it can be used as medicines. The truth is life and death is in God's hand but when it comes to physical ailments, it is in our hands.
@@endisnear306 Bullshit, there's no such thing as a "medical" plant. it's all just chemical compounds that react with the chemical compounds in our body. not to mention these plants have evolved naturaly without the need for a god. also isn't it kind of stupid to say that life and death is in gods hands but not aiments when the two are interconected?
Wasn’t that a big campaign for those Zumez stores? I have a pic of that exact phrase blown up in a window display plastered over shirts and skateboards. it was the year 2019 and I could not tell if it was satire
I’m reminded of the time that I told my mom when I was about 16 that I was suicidal, and she suggested that we go see our pastor. She’s now part of QAnon. A lot of things are making sense to me.
Yeah my mom is a qanon person and she told me that if she had any say in my life (I was 16 but my parents had divorced and my dad was my legal guardian) that I wouldn't be allowed to take antidepressants. You know, the thing that helped me stop trying to kill myself. Not allowed. Just got to "choose happiness". I do choose happiness. That's why I'm on my medication.
My husband’s childhood best friend was Christian to his core. It was his entire life, until he ended it, leaving behind his wife and four kids. It’s heartbreaking, because you just know this is the type of “help” he was offered for his severe depression.
I ended up being diagnosed with OCD later in my teens, and I've come to realize that perpetually hyper analysing every thing ive ever done at any moment of the day if it happened to be a sin was very much a symptom of that. I've actually felt more at ease and comfortable now that I've been distancing myself from religion.
For good reason too. My lifestyle, for one. But now looking back and hearing all the absolute crap that people spew from their mouth claiming to be right (A footballer here in Australia being the most recent) and then expecting people to just throw away their lives (in this case, gay lovers) for a nonexistent deity? Like I dont care if you or the PM agree. The Bible is twisted by 100+ people in writing it, Im not leaving my BF, who loves me, for some whore who cares only for money, and nowhere on the internet, are you allowed
Religion is not a SYnonym for Christianity, and I doubt Religion is the Cause of Your OCD, or that it makes you feel better or else why be here to object to it?
@@wilcowhiteheart807 - Can You Prove that God doesn't exist? Because you did say a Non-Existant Deity and I Tire of Atheists begin alone to make this Claim and pretend hey have no Burden of Proof. I am not dishonesty revering The Burden of Proof either. You did make the Claim. You also shouldn'tt assume all Women are :Whores" who don't Love You and You are being reductive. I also don;t se why Reason to Think The Bible was Twisted by 100+ People who Wrote it. This is Spurious.
I never understood why so many evangelical’s response to someone’s depression is “be grateful so many people have it worse than you” Like “yeah I get my pain isn’t unique or the worst that anyone has experienced but it’s my pain nonetheless”
That is exactly what my mom would do, tell me it could be so much worse and to get over it. She would also compare my life to hers and say her childhood was worse therefore I have no right to be depressed. Her dad died when she was a kid, mine left us, hers didn't choose to leave and it just happened to him, mine made that choice. But apparently she was the one to say it was a contest and she won between the two of us 🙄🤦🏻♀️
There isn't much that's a better recipe for despair and endless anxiety than telling a kid that there's an entity judging them every second of every day and will punish them if they even THINK a bad thought. My mental health got soooo much better after I escaped that mental trap.
A Pentecostal preacher in a nearby town told a coworker's grown daughter to stop taking her psychiatric medications after he prayed and claimed divine healing for her. She did. A short time later, she killed one of her children and the family dog. Her husband then sued the idjit preacher. The case was settled out of court for an undisclosed sum. It has long been curious to me why the mentally ill seem to gravitate towards the Pentecostal religion -- at least here in the rural Deep south.
Sorry to hear that. They do say like attracts like so maybe there's a connection. Perhaps someone should have informed the preacher that there's a 2006 STEP study on heart patients that confirms prayer has no additional effect over and above medicine. There are also zero instances of anyone praying for the regrowth of missing limbs and it working. This is why prayer is never more successful than the placebo effect. Personally I think organised religion needs to be legally prevented from going anywhere near the healthcare system.
A lot of churches appear to have a facade of acceptance but once in, you’re gonna be ostracized and because even in our most secular parts of society reflect Christian adjacent views, it’s hard to find a way out
forget john 11:35 and have you ever read Ecclesiastes! it's Solomon's depression on full display vanity all is vanity or worthless all is worthless. and I have never seen anyone mock that book ever.
God kills more than he says not to fear or worry. You know who doesn’t? SATAN. That book is stupid if the villain kills in single digits while the good guy kills in seven. The Bible fits that bill.
I'm so glad you mentioned schizophrenia-which I have. People think i'm demon possessed or that it's a consequence of my sin but it's actually ironically stemmed back to my extreme trauma from my abusive parents.
As a person with lupus, I can tell you: They actually do the sin thing even with physical illnesses (especially with something as hard to grasp as Lupus)
“Lupus is a sin” “God created everything so it’s also his perfect plan” Doesn’t that mean… that HE gives the lupus… Oh wait, i’m using logic when talking about religion again. My bad.
I've been struggling with post-religious trauma the last few years, along with complex PTSD. The religious trauma is so much worse, because there's no triggers you can learn to avoid. And when triggered with other things, when you reflexively turn to religion for comfort, it's like a kick in the balls after a blow to the gut.
Maybe try to stay away from religious imagery. I’m a Christian, but due to my own trauma I stated away from it for a while. Continue trying to heal with professionals and people with similar experiences. Don’t feel ashamed and believe in yourself. Many years later I’ve come back to the Bible and studied it from a scholarly point of view. And, well...let’s just say these overly religious idiots don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about. Take care of yourself, my love. I wish you the best.
@@BluetheRaccoon Can you elaborate on this "trauma?" Because Christian though I am, I've got some issues myself that occurred when I was a teenager. A sense of guilt that occurred whenever I'd write stories containing witches, demons, and angels as characters. I'm far too concerned how my parents and other Christians will react to my work. Hell I'm currently trying to devise secular projects for kids, to publish under my real name but am having trouble because I need to keep the parents happy. i.e. no magical powers, probably can't write fantasy or Sci-fi, can't have action oriented conflicts... Kinda makes me think I should stick to using my pen-name because I'd have all the freedom I want then. Honestly trying to abide by organized religion seems like too much of a hassle, hence why I walked away from it.
@@viridianacortes9642 You just encouraged someone to believe in themselves. I didn't think we Christians were allowed to give that kind of advice. More over since I'm writing two secular novels where a teenage witch and the other with a witch mother, both needing to believe in themselves to protect their loved ones, I now feel slightly less guilty for starting such novels.
@@DemonicRemption Speaking from personal experience, the programming is toxic. Using guilt, shame and fear of ostracization to maintain a compliant flock is *not* how to show God's love. Serving when it's visible while living hypocrisy when thinking no one is looking. Having to censor yourself in order to continue belonging to the group- God's love is one of accepting us as we are, because we are as God has made us aren't we? Just because you hold a banner and claim to do God's work, and you read the bible does not a church make. Teaching your congregation hate and intolerance is not of God. I believe in God, but I will never carry the label Christian again. I am scarred from my experience walking that life. I hope this helps?
I have two evangelical Christian parents and while I’m still part of the faith, I hate how they treat my mental health. I asked to see a therapist once because of non-serious but still heavy problems in my life. They said no, I could only get a Christian counselor. They were horrified when I said I don’t want a Christian counselor, I want a normal therapist. This video hit hard
I could only see a Christian therapist too and my dad wouldn’t let me go unless he came to the first appointment to interrogate her and make sure she was a good true Christian. 🤦🏻♀️
I was allowed to go to a therapist in high school and on my second session, based on what I divulged during my first session, the therapist wanted my mom to be present. So at my second session I calmly, with the help of the therapist, explained to my mother that I felt I could not share my feelings in our home because she always discounted them and wrote them off. I explained that the reason I don't tell her anything going on in my life is because every time I do it's a lecture on how I'm being a bad Christian and how I just need to have faith and my depression will go away. Needless to say, my mother ignored it all and I was never allowed to attend another session.
"Everything that science says about mental health stands directly opposed to what the bible says!" Oh good, you admit the bible doesn't reflect reality then?
"... And what we've done here in the church, we've taken these two opposites and integrated them!" I'm no math major, but I'm pretty sure that when you combine two opposites, you get zero. So basically what he's saying is, "I got nothing."
God actually wants his children to take medical help.. The reason he created medicinal plants so that it can be used as medicines. The truth is life and death is in God's hand but when it comes to physical and mental ailments, it is in our hands. God gave us brains and knowledge to use it
i remember when i used to self-harm, my mother told me that i shouldn’t because “your body is god’s temple.” she really was more concerned about how it made the man above feel than what was causing me to do so.
that is truly awful! i would rather help and comfort someone who so clearly needs it than be worried about the man upstairs and what he thinks about it... horrible
This is so jacked up when religious faith has been used by so many to endure so much… including myself. I have gained comfort, strength, and hope from faith. This fixation on fear and punishment baffles me. What person would want to stay in such a negative environment? 🤨
@misspatvandriverlady7555 because that's what the Bible says to do (The beginning of wisdom is fear of the Lord) and it just so happens that people are easy to control if you can keep them afraid. Pastors know if they can make people afraid, they'll have attendees, and donations, for life
I hate hate hate that people will say any feeling that isn't joy is caused by demons. I hear it all the time, "whenever you're sad or depressed or angry, that's the devil, the demons, controlling you because you are weak" I hate it. Edit: I don't mean to start a war in the comments, but yes I have heard these statements throughout my life. They have come from numerous members of my family who claim to follow christianity, one member in particular still uses this argument against me and other family to this day. I'm by no means saying every Christian says this. But the ones closest to me have, so their words had strong impact on me.
@@dr.cheeze5382 - I want Evidence. Which i what You Claim. I do not Hear Christians say Demons Cause all unhappiness and if You Feel Unhappy it is Demons All the Time. And I Live in The Dreaded next best Thing to The handmaidens tale Bible Belt you lot sometimes Invoke.
My mother was called "sinful" because she was in a wheelchair after having had polio - which was also a sin. If she just "believed" and "prayed" she'd get up out of that wheelchair. I've been told that about my diabetes as well as a limp I've had after an injury. I know others who've been told they were "sinful" or even "demon possessed" (in the 20th&21st century!) for having epilepsy. On mental health issues, can you see the linguistic similarity between "Snap out of it!" and "He snapped."?
'can you imagine if they did this with physical illnesses' don't need to imagine chief. Christians constantly blamed my 'not getting better' on just not trying hard enough or praying hard enough or being visibly disappointed when I was not magically cured and then resentful as I continued to be chronically ill. Great for your self esteem.
My theory is that the reason those people resent the ill and disabled so much is because deep down it makes them doubt god’s existence, an idea they are terrified of. So they turn that fear into resentment and self righteousness. They assure themselves that it’s not god’s fault for healing someone, it’s that person’s fault for not believing in god enough.
@@CampingforCool41 Right. I think also....God has a history of magically healing the disabled, just one poof- or their stories in modern times being a little footnote for the abled to feel good and grateful that its all resolved and they love god now. which just.. isn't realistic or kind at all. Most of us-- can only hope to be 'stable' but our life is still difficult we are still -dis- abled we can't do the things we used to. Its hurtful to be forced to wrap that up and be a finished product and inspirational story just for christians palatability.
I remember going to confession, not necessarily to confess sins but to look for comfort or relief. Told the priest about my depression over being sexually abused (not by a priest) and his response was something to the effect of “That’s in the past, forget that shit.” Left that day feeling more confused and empty. There’s a huge problem of church people trying to solve mental health issues that they have no business addressing. I’m glad I went to therapy instead of staying in that environment.
@@Abyzz_Knight How is "that's in the past, forget it" not comforting words? I've been abused IN THE PAST and I take comfort and relief that the priests say that at confession.
@@thomasjohnboyd7253 so your logic is it helped you, therefore it should help everyone? If only psychology were that simple. Not everyone thinks the same dude, and (I don't know whether your trauma was the same or not because you didn't specify) not all trauma is the same Now i'm no psychologist but it probably doesn't help because saying it's in the past doesn't address the now which is the depression as a result of that past trauma. You can't just "get over" depression. "Despair is a sin" Ah yes negative emotions something which you can't really control is a sin. Great job there bible writers, i'm sure telling people not to be depressed will magically make them not depressed anyymore.
I got a little brother who suffers from ADHD, anger issues ever since he was kid.. no matter how much my former church prayed and my mom as well.. he still has ADHD and anger issues. Once he had be put on suicide watch. Now he has to take medication and calls from his therapist. Now, think about that.. Christianity has this way of saying it's a love and charity religion.. but it's nothing but a shame, fear culture that thinks God can fix everything but if he doesn't well it's not his "plan".. then what's his plan nowadays anyway ?
It's funny how the church always says to help the poor not knowing that the poor was not just the less fortunate with no housing, food and water but the poor who also struggles. That should include mental illness, debt, moral ambiguity, abusive relationships, etc.
@@r0xanne_d0ll - Its funny how Atheists depict "The Church", apparently a Single Orginization, as not Helping with Mental Illness, Debt, or Abusive Relationships. I'm not sure what You mean by "Moral ambiguity", but Churches do have Moral teaching. For example, "Anthem of Hope " is a Christian Ministry directed at getting The Mentally Ill the Help they need. There is also "The Lighthouse Network". And "The Mind And Soul Organization". By acting like they don;t do this and it proves how Awful they are, You Really are complaining over a Situation that is not Real. The same exists for Debt and Abusive Relationships. Though Abuse is often covered in Mental Health. I also don;t see how them Helping The Poor as in No Money does not include Debt. Or wy You Think it doens't.
This is so triggering 😥 I’ve neglected my mental health for literally my entire life. After leaving the church and taking my mental health into my OWN hands, my social life is just starting to pick up (which is sad since I’m a senior in high school) and my social anxiety is currently being dealt with. I hate that I never did this sooner.
At least you didn't end up close to 50 years old realizing the real problem is probably not you at all, but others you encounter and how they behave. I like to tell folks we can't control other folks' behaviors. We can only control our own. If it makes you feel any better I only have two deterrents in life that prevent me from punching the living daylights out of folks and pounding their heads into the cement most days. My first deterrent is that I don't feel like going to prison. My second deterrent is that I don't feel like going to hell. The first deterrent works really well for me, really really well I must say because I have not pounded anyone's face in the pavement even though most that acted evil deserved it. lol.... So yup. Prison time works well as my deterrent. I'm almost 50 years old. I find it better to walk away from people not for me, but for their sake. So you are still very young. Like I said, I have noticed the biggest problem seems to usually be other folks at least from what I have observed. You take a regular person and place them in an environment where they never encounter idiots then you more than likely will be very content and happy in life. But it is quite the opposite when the situation is flipped and inverted. I don't know even one person who can say they have never been abused, ridiculed, bullied or something along those lines. Just don't let folks get to you. People come and go. The only person that should matter most in your life honestly is you because only you can live your life and no one else can. That's my two cents for the day.
It’s never too late. It seems like you’re getting so old when you graduate highschool but once you get to your mid 20’s you realize just how young you were, and how long you really have. There’s plenty of time to figure yourself out and do the things you want to do, don’t beat yourself up for getting caught in toxic beliefs others imposed on you.
The perfect time to start is always. It's really great that you started it (ik u posted 8 months ago) but by starting then you have the rest of your time to build even more of what you wanted for yourself:) theres more time in the future than your past to explore what helps you and makes you happier
Good for you! "Sooner" is relative and completely subjective, please remember that! You took your self/life/minds into your own power, when it was right for you to do so. High school is a great choice!
I begged for help from my family. They told me "God helps those who helps themselves" and dismissed me. Some days I don't know where to turn. Whomever reads this, from the bottom of my heart, I hope you are well my friend.
I am so sorry 💗💗💗. I hope you're doing better now. I am not well at the moment but there's always tomorrow and the day after that and more days ahead too. Thank you Michael
When I started hearing voices as a teenager, my grandma told mom, "it's the devil talking to him." Thanks, grandma... If my family would have had their way they would have an exorcism. Lol
I don't know where you're from but as a Catholic from the Philippines, exorcists (or priests in general) are the first to tell you and encourage you to go see a doctor or psychologist first.
I had an online friend who has schizophrenia and lived in a small, fairly Christian town. Got a lot of people who were praying for him or treated him poorly for being "possessed" or whatever the fuck. They may have actually tried to exorcise him once, idk.
@@jjescorpiso21 I think that's at least the difference between evangelicals/protestants and Catholics (or even orthodoxy). Unlike the former who will do it willy billy for anything they consider possession, Catholicism takes or extremely seriously and only a handful, in comparison to the total amount, of their priests actually certified to do exorcisms. So they're probably much more conscious and careful with it.
If You bother to Read "THe Fundamentals", from which the name Fundamentalist is Derived, You Will see that Medical Science is appriciated, and not condemned at all. What You are sayign is not Reality, it is Fantasy.,
@@skwills1629 "Fundamentalist: noun - a person who believes in the strict, literal interpretation of scripture in a religion." The vast majority of human knowledge is inconceivable in a biblical context. Yes, there are a collection of essays called The Fundamentals, and yes, there were once people that called themselves Christian Fundamentalists based on those essays, but they had nothing in common with today's bible literalists. The essays focused on a liberal interpretation of Christianity that most bible literalists would find appalling.
@@tarp-grommet - I told You that You;d use this Dictionary Definition Act. But, again, You don't use this Definition. Also, Please stop repeating Garbage You heard from the Pastors of The Religion Of Atheism. For example, You say this of "The Fundamentals. " The essays focused on a liberal interpretation of Christianity that most bible literalists would find appalling." Exactly what would be appalling about it? Can You elaborate? I doubt it. Hoe do The Fundamentalists of the Past differ from Modern Fundamentalists? Can You explain? Because I don;t Think What You say is Not based on Facts. This is nonsense, too. "The vast majority of human knowledge is inconceivable in a biblical context" Why should I believe this? Because Pastor Aronra said so? pastor Matt Dilahunty? Divine Prophet Sam Harris? Just saying this doesn't prove anything. Why should I believe You, exactly?
@@skwills1629 It's the easiest thing in the world to be all sarcastic but we could try to have this discussion like adults. The Fundamentals of the early 20th century were an attempt to bring Christian orthodoxy into modern times, including a belief in science which you so accurately cited. In contrast, the fundamentalists of today (commonly identified as bible literalists), still believe that prayer heals the sick, which it so obviously does not. As a true believer, you really should not be talking about what "doesn't prove anything". I can prove any claims I make. No Christian can say the same thing, not by a long shot. So, Mr. Wills, can you tell me how robots on Mars fit into the scriptures. Or gene splicing. Or heart transplants. It is my opinion that, had the “Priestly” authors of the bible known that such things could ever come to pass, they would have denounced them as evil witchcraft.
@@tarp-grommet - I am not being Sarcastic. What You said is simply Ridiculous, and its in a comment Section of a Video that says Christianity is basically about Psychological Torture. Am I supposed to not Respond the way I am? You also describe Me as a "True Believer', which I don';t see as Flattering, especially given what You say and what that seems to Mean. Especially since You say I can;t Point Out how You can;'t Prove Anything by making Accusations, You claim that as a True believer I am in No Position to say this as Relation never has proof. That is a disgusting way to avoid Your Responsibility to Prove what You said. Even if as a "True Believer in Religion" I had No Proof, that doe snot Grant You Immunity from the Burden of Proof. Its also not really True. Especially since You equate proof and Evidence. The idea that Religion is based on Believing things with No evidence is a Lie. And Faith is not belief without Evidence either. This Conversation is not about The Existence of God. Jumping to prove your god Exists is also Dishonest as it detracts from This Conversations point. No I am not copping Out. Every Argument You Claim has been Debunked for the Existence of God rely on Evidence, and even if the Silly Straweman versions were Accurate this is True, and it is True even if the Ridiculous Debunkings based on the Strawmen were True. Evidence doe snot Cease to be evidence simply because the Arguments are Debunked in Formal Logic. And The Arguments are not Debunked. You simply do not Understand them. Also, No Modern "Fundamentalist' Thinks Science is an Enemy to Religion. Not even Creationists, so name dropping Ken Ham or Kent Hovind is not Honest. Neither of them actually Say "Science is Evil and should be Rejected" or denounce it or even say it is Wrong. The Fundamentals were also a rejection of Modernism as a Social Movement. Most of what They say is not Controversial then or now, and contrary to how they were framed by People such as H'L' Menchen, they were not Anti-Intellectuals. Also, when You say some Christians today "Still' Think prayer heals the Sick, that is disingenuous. Most Believe this. But most do not believe it the way You and others here describe it, and didn't Historically either. But You don't discuss the Actual belief, its easier to Ridicule the Strawman Version of it. You also make the Ridiculous Claim that You can Prove Everything You Claim. No, You can't. What You can do is Pull a Hector Avalos and Pretend Asking about Robots on Mars and Gene Splicing and Heart Transplants is actually Proof of Anything. But why do I need to Explain how they Fit into Scripture? Did I ever say they did? What, exactly is the Basis for this Question? And it is One Question. You Claim this as well. "It is my opinion that, had the “Priestly” authors of the bible known that such things could ever come to pass, they would have denounced them as evil witchcraft." Why would this be Your View? I Know the Real Reason. Its to make "Religion:" look Evil and Stupid and Backward and to contrast that with Science as Good and True, and of course, You Equate Science to Atheism. But, You won't Admit that. So, what is the Narrative You Will use instead? I Suspect I Know it too. But I Know this Much, what You said Proves You Can't Prove anything You assert.
I was diagnosed around age 10 with Aspergers, known now simply as Autistic Spectrum Disorder. The thing was though, that my father refused to tell me this was the case, or even acknowledge it. He would insist that I was just lazy, and inconsiderate, and of course, a godless sinner. I went years without knowing there was a perfectly normal, medical phenomena that was leading to so many of my “behavioral issues.” As a result, I lived in circumstances that were a perfect breeding ground for depression and likely also PTSD. I’ve only recently come to understand these disorders and how they affect me. And it’s caused me to look at my old faith and beliefs in a more discerning way. Causing me to recognize how demoralizing and cruel religion really was to someone like me. Especially the lens it causes people to look at me with. I know there is nothing “wrong” with me. But it’s so hard to feel like that is true when so many people see who I am and how I am, and decide that there IS something “wrong” with me. And now we have people who are trying to reinforce that message, trying to further stigmatize people like me. This has to change.
Being different or less able in areas needed to secure steady, adequate income is a very real problem, but that is all autism is; one of many, many examples of these differences/lower abilities in the specific area of bringing home the bacon, so to speak. None of these are bad, wrong, or “sinful”. ❤
Oof. That's a tough experience with a medical thing. My parents weren't great about getting me the support I needed, about recognizing the nuance and accommodations needed for me to live a great life, but hey, at least they didn't hide a diagnosis from me. That sucks. I'm sorry you had to deal with that, and are probably still dealing with the aftermath of it.
THIS is what made me leave the church. I've had anxiety and depression all my life. Prayed for over a decade, followed all the rules, rededicated my life over and over. I almost k***ed myself because I was told by the church that there was all my fault for not loving god enough.
I’m really sorry that happened to you. If it would make you feel better, I’d like to hear more about your experience. As a Christian who’s also a psychology major in college, I am fascinated in the connections between physical, mental, and spiritual health.
I went through a similar situation as you, too... it got so bad i isolated myself because i tot i wasnt good enough for God, i gave up my business venture because I felt it wasn’t pleasing God since its not serving him. Decided one day i had enough and left the church. Best decision of my life
I dont even Know what Rededicate means exactly. I grew up in The Churches of Christ and they do not seem ti concern themselves if a health care prffessional is Consulted.
I once vented about feeling depressed online and one of my friends called and put her mother on the phone who then proceeded to pray the demons away. Apparently she did a shit job.
I love this mentality: "There's no evil in the world that GOD cannot cure!" "Well I'm really depressed because of all these factors in my life" "Just get over it!" "....They're still factors" "That's just the demons talking, hang on, GET OUTTA THERE DEEEEEMONS. Feel better?"
@@tonionknight7472 - Atheists don't want us to Think for Ourselves though. Atheist Order us to believe the Things they've decided are True and reject what They decided is False. Also, Why do You lot think all Religion is Christianity? And why do You talk about "The Church"? You act like all Christians belong to the same Organization when they don;t. And talk about Scripting, Atheists say this all the Time. Its like comparing God to Santa Clause and The Tooth Fairy, or ridiculing's Belief in The Bible by saying "Talking Snakes and Talking Donkeys" or calling it Fairy Tales, or saying it was Written by Bronze Age Goat Herders. Also, Steven Pinker, Phil Zuckerman, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Peter Boggossian, they all tell us not only to "Reject Religion", but tell us what Secularists Believe and what Values We should Hold as a Secular Society and as Secular Individuals. How is hat not a Script? Do You Really Think Sam Harris's Mindfulness Podcasts aren't giving the same sorts of Advise on the same sorts of Topics "The Church" does? Also, You lot say The Religious do not Think for themselves. By definition I have o be an Atheist to Think for Myself. Doesn't that in itself prove I am not Free to come to any conclusion? If I Think for Myself and decide to follow a Religion and not be an Atheist, You;ll say I don't really Think for Myself. Especially if that Religion is Christianity. That hardly sounds like saying Think For Yourself to Me. It sounds like Your imposing Your supposed "lack of belief in a god" on me. Speaking of which, I am not allowed to Question that either. As an Atheist, I have to see You as one who never makes claims and has no Burden of Proof. You have No Religion. You Think for Yourself. But I don't. Atheists do make the Claim that God does not Exist. Ad You have made Your Atheistic Beliefs a Religion. And because Your Religion and its Pastors gave You a Script, You now see m=Me in the Role of a "Typical Believer" arguing that Atheism is a Religion, and will Respond with "Atheism is not a Religion. It is a lack of belief in a god. Atheism is a Religion like not collecting Stamps is a Hobby. The Dictionary Defines Religion as belief in and reverence of gods and supernatural Powers." Calling Your Atheistic Beliefs a Religion is not the same as calling Atheism itself a Religion, though, and the Dictionary You got the Definition from has 5 other Definitions You ignore. You also ignore the Point. The mere Fact that I can Make the Argument for You proves its a Scripted Reply. For that matter, even saying this is a Script. "gaslight people into thinking for themselves and breaking away from the church's prepared script for every situation?". You aren't the First Mindless Atheist Drone to tell Me this. And that's what You are. A Mindless Atheist Drone repeating Your Programming. Oh The Irony, a Religious Person calling An Atheist Programmed! You have no self Awareness. Yes I Know. Just like I Know Christianity doe snot need You to make it look ad, it does that all by itself, and how Christianity is Evil as Hell is about Infinite Punishments for Finite Crimes..,. Atheists are not Scripted at all, Right?
I contemplated suicide for years growing up. I had even written suicide letters to leave behind, but ended up throwing them away. I tried ODing on pain killers and sleeping pills after college, but didn't work. I have a physical disability, so I was always an easy target for bullies. I got wedgies, insulted, and shoved into lockers on a regular basis in elementary and middle school. My dad was a preacher, so we were heavily involved in church. There were things going on at home too that didn't make it a positive place to be. I remember hearing sermons where the pastor's preached about mental illness being a sin, and everyone that committed suicide is going straight to hell. It was a painfully miserable existence for years; too miserable to want to live, but too scared of going to hell to die.
My sister struggles with suicidal it’s, and she has said that when she was younger the only thing that stopped her was the fear of being tortured forever in hell. That, is child abuse. Full stop.
@@xpedro2960 So sorry for late reply. That's a great question. I think there were two main things that saved me; first was leaving home for college. I got to interact with people of all kinds of different backgrounds from other parts of the US and the world. Secondly, after a homeless spell after college, and having to move back home, my uncle helped me get a job as a cashier working at a dollar store. That forced me to interact with people, and come out of my shell. Between those two experiences, I learned that despite my initial impression and what society tells us, there are far more good people than bad in our world. My favorites were always the people that were very positive and encouraging. The joy, gratitude, and positivity they radiated was something I wanted to emulate, and rarely saw in church. That started a years-long, neverending journey deep into self help books/videos/articles, reassessing my values, rearranging who I spend time around and what kind of media I consume, and retraining my thought process. Sorry there wasn't just a singular thing to point to that pulled me out of that dark place, but a combination of things in addition to intentional changes and the desire for better. Im grateful I've made it to a point where I'm in a much better mental state, and my heart aches for those that successfully gave up too soon.
my grandfather once sat me down at our kitchen table, and tried to exorcise the depression out of me. that is the reason i don't open up to anyone about my depression and anxiety anymore. this shit's serious.
The way he was talking about how they would all be married within "10 years at the most" was so uncomfortable. Idk how old the girls in the crowd were but there was so much of an impression that they have to marry and they have to marry young
@@gtickno2946 Shouldn't parents want their kids to be as healthy as possible? I'm pretty sure egg cells and sperm decrease in quality with age. I'm not saying that people should get married and have kids when they're, I don't know, only 21 years old though.
The stupidest thing about all religious texts is that they have a front cover and a back cover while pretending to be an answer to every possible problem.
THE BIBLE IS THE ANSWER AND YOU KNOW IT, GOD MADE ALL OUR HEARTS THE SAME, PROGRAMMED TO OBEY HIS WORD, BUT YOU MURDERED GOD IN YOUR HEART, REPENT AND HE WILL FORGIVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@edwardevans7219 I do hope you're trolling. For your own sake. Firstly don't use caps it makes you look like you're shouting. In case you're not trolling: God as presented in the Bible doesn't exist and has never existed, there's no need for me to kill what was never alive and it cannot forgive anything. Earthquakes are caused by plate tectonics. Winds by barometric pressure imbalances. Not deities taking offence at same sex couples. Prayer doesn't work as evidenced by the 2006 STEP study on heart patients. We evolved over 6 migrations out of Africa not a fucking golem spell in a garden in ancient Armenia near the sources of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. Because the Garden of Eden never happened neither did original sin and there is fuck all to repent for. And just for your information hearts are for pumping blood it has no vocal chords so you can't say anything with it and I have never heard of anybody sensible suggest using heart muscle tissue as a fucking writing material. The Bible is a book of ignorance and shouldn't be taken seriously about most subjects. The Earth isn't flat, the global flood never happened (the narrative is based on a local flood in Shirupak), a churchman - Linnaeus - pointed out that the archaeology didn't match what he would expect if life were created and challenged the scientific community to come up with the correct explanation - evolution is a fact, the Earth is not the centre of anything. That's just a sample.
@@andrewharper1609 YOU KNEW GOD IN YOUR INNOCENCE, ALL DO, BUT YOU FAILED GOD BY LETTING OTHERS DESTROY YOUR CONSCIENCE. TO QUOTE CHRIST, IF I WERE TO SAY I DON'T KNOW GOD, THEN I WOULD BE A LIAR LIKE UNTO YOU. MY HEART IS OPEN, I KNOW HIM, YOUR HEART IS CLOSED. REPENT, RECEIVE CHRIST, STOP TELLING LIES!!!!!!! I AM NOT YELLING, I AM PREACHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At the school I used to go to, the curriculum straight up said that anxiety is a sin. It was so damaging to hear because I've literally had anxiety my entire life. At that time, I was having panic attacks almost daily. I was taught that I was just not being faithful enough, and that it was my fault. That led me to believe that everything that went wrong in my life was my fault for not obeying God in the right way. It made my OCD so much worse.
@@dx1450 i understand that, but i don't think religion itself is toxic. It can actually be good because it gives people a purpose and can answer big questions like where they came from and where they're going after this life ends. Having said that though, religion is toxic when people use it as an excuse to control other people's lives.
@@laneyjohnsonbaugh3420 It gives people answers but there's no way to tell if they're the correct answers. Science has questions which may never be answered, and religion has answers which may never be questioned. So when you take someone desperately looking for answers and you start telling them what they want to hear, you can get them hooked and then start demanding that they do what you say or else God will do something horrible to them. That's why religion is toxic.
I have literally had an anxiety disorder that went undiagnosed until I was almost 30 and it almost caused me to end my life..I'm treating my mental health. I don't care what anybody says.
When I was 16 I told my mom that I wanted to die and she started yelling about how a demon was telling me lies. Now I deal with suicidal thoughts and fantasies about self mutilation on the regular. I don’t know if the church knows that not only do they make it worse, they cause the “sin” they accuse those with mental illnesses of.
Likely none. Most of this was not even Sermons. Those which were did not actually say anything Wrong generally. You were primed by the Video presenter to understand isolated Sentences a specific Way. Its not What they were actually saying . You had to be Told how to interpret it to show how it Could cause mental health Problems to increase, but it is unlikely most people even with mental health Issues would Interpret an isolated Single sentence that way is Listening to the Whole Sermon. The One that struck me was a Man toward the Front discussing how SOME of Our Anxiety is Self induced. Some of it. Not all. Not even most. Some. I do not Know the rest, as its a small clip, but He is Right in that isolated Sentence, some of Our Anxiety is self induced. And saying that de snot mean He is saying f Yu have Ancient You don;t Live God enough. Its a Stupid Assumption to Make. especially as an Isolated Sentence from a Longer Work. I can use this sort of editing to get Richard Dawkins to Admit that God Exists.
@@cedarmoss7173 - The Church does not call Mental Illness Sin. Not even the Pentecostals do this. Also, Your descrinign something like Obsessive Compulsive Disorder or an Acute Anxiety Disorder. The Church Yyou go o or went to doesnt cause those either. ou can seek medication if it is a Chemical Imbalance.
I went to a fundy rock-music-is-the-devil's-music-women-wearing-pants-is-a-sin Bible college, but somehow I had never heard before my 20s that anyone in the church had an issue with antidepressants. When a doctor put me on them my senior year, I didn't think anything of telling people about it. You can imagine how well that went down. It's kind of comical in retrospect how ridiculous people were about them. The dean of men told me I was a "social junkie" who wasn't doing anything different from someone who uses recreational drugs to feel good, and before I knew it there was a rumor that I had bipolar disorder. The reaction is funny to me now because I left the church almost 15 years ago and I'm happily detached from that environment. But if you are not used to a world where your entire social and economical life is centered around the social group you're part of, it's easy not to understand how devastating that kind of arbitrary rejection can be. I'm glad I got out OK, but I hate that so many people want to leave but can't or don't have the outside perspective to realize it's NOT all right to be treated the way some people in the church treat people who have been traumatized, have a mind that works differently from theirs, or otherwise veer outside their narrow standards.
@@cedarmoss7173 That's very nice of you to say, but to be clear, this was not a universal response at this college. One guy on staff even heard about what the "social junkie" lecture and approached me to make sure I was OK and make sure I understood I didn't do anything wrong. It is very conventional in some church-y environments for people to tell you bluntly if they feel you're doing something wrong -- it's seen as helpful. For example, it's not weird for one woman to tell another woman her skirt is too tight or her shirt it too low-cut, because it's safe to assume your fellow students want to be modest. But yeah, it can be very upsetting when someone in a position of authority tells you that you're sinning by listening to your doctor, and it's confusing to have two authority figures tell you opposite things about whether something's a sin. But figuring out you can't win with Jesus-people really helped me leave the church later, so there's that!
@@jessmstephens I’m glad you did was best for you. And yeah, I know that people in many churches think they’re “helping” when they tell someone else that they’re doing something wrong. I always felt uncomfortable about it and couldn’t figure out why it felt so wrong when they were “helping”. Since leaving the church I discovered that it’s because the church likes to invade every area of everyone’s life and calls it keeping people accountable when really it’s control. Boundaries are non-existent and Christians having good intentions is supposed to make their invasion appropriate. It’s still a trigger for me so I’m sorry for my harsh wording earlier.
@@cedarmoss7173 Oh, no! I didn't mean to suggest you had anything to apologize for. It seems we've both experienced Christian Concern Trolling (TM), and your description of it was exactly right. I just realized after posting that I might have given the impression the whole college was against antidepressants/mental health care instead of a few vocal individuals. FWIW, I think it's totally healthy to have a strong response to stories of people normalizing their refusal to respect boundaries. It's a difficult process to figure out that well-intentioned invasiveness is nonetheless wrong. I still go on the defensive instinctively if someone seems to be assuming an undue ownership of my life or decisions. But I do think the nice thing about having gone through all that is that it makes it MUCH easier to hold firm to personal boundaries now. Especially because I no longer feel guilty about cursing as much as I'd like. I hope you came out of your situation with that same self-assuredness. :)
I feel so validated by this channel. So many of my own thoughts are being expressed here and I'm getting new insight. After being raised Christian my entire life, I've been going through deconstruction this past year, weirdly because everyone I know right now are conservative Christians. Oddly, hanging around with a big group of Christians is what I needed to ignight all my questions and doubts. Mental health has been the biggest reason I've begun to realize how christianity is flawed. I just saw more and more people suffering in silence, too scared to speak up, struggling, dealing with mental health problems and trauma, and being invalidated and pressured by other Christians. They don't believe in therapy. I've struggled with anxiety and depression my whole life, and I've been told the reason is pride and self centerdness. I could go on and on.
I discovered "I'll Be Honest" on RU-vid when I was 16 back in 2009. I was extremely terrified of Hell and was traumatized after being mentally abused and bullied by my main teacher in childhood. I tried to search for comfort by listening to sermons on RU-vid and I found the video sampled here. I started listening to Paul Washer, John Piper and others like them. Nothing - I mean *nothing* brought me further to ruin than discovering American preaching like that. I'm from Scandinavia where the preaching is more tolerant of how life actually works. I came to believe that the Scandinavian way of preaching was hypocritical and that these pastors where telling the truth. Not only was I broken because of trauma, I was an unrepentant sinner headed for Hell for not being able to overcome that trauma by myself. At 16. It took me 7 more years to really dare questioning things. From the moment I said to myself: "If God truly is real, then I should be able to look at everything Christianity claims without discovering major flaws". After that it took 4 more years until I was completely convinced that Christianity cannot be the truth. After this realization, I actually was able to start working with a therapist and figure out the real issues, the guilt complexes are gone and my life is infinitely better now even though I still have a way to go. Religious trauma is real, and if you are religious and miserable, and addicted to all kinds of stuff to regulate your emotions like porn, alcohol, drugs, shopping etc, then you *have to* believe me when I say that the answers to solving your issues lies in the complete opposite end of the way your religious leader is pointing.
Thats such a traumatic, years long experience. Wow. Gosh, this brought up the issue of free will. Christian's declare we have free will, I don't believe so, if we are told we are going to hell for all eternity if we don't believe, do we really have a choice? And if we are told that if we even question or doubt christianity that we are going to hell, do we really have a choice? I've learned, they very carefully crafted the bible to TERRIFY us so much that we could never leave. I've been deconstructing and its terrifying because of all the threats in the bible. They made sure to have a threat for every situation and question you may have while deconstructing, including using your own brain/logic. Because thinking for yourself is considered playing God or trying to outsmart God. Boy they were smart to add that one, because you really can't get anywhere if you believe that your own thoughts and logic are sin and from the devil. One would think, if it's actually free will, the bible would say its totally ok to explore every religion and every other option so that we can be sure we've found the truth. Instead it uses threats and fear.
@@myrawest Exactly. I don't necessarily believe the Bible was designed with social control in mind, because the texts predates the Bible as a book of course, and Christianity was incredibly fragmented before 300 AD anyways.. However, the effect it has is insane. As you say, so many blockades and traps to trigger anxiety just by thinking about the *concept* of doubting your faith. Fortunately as you mention, the whole premise of how you are supposed to be "saved" is flawed form the outset. Even if you believe we have some form of compatibilistic free will, the premise for salvation in the Bible is not part of that. You don't choose what you become convinced of, and anyone with a working brain can test that immediately. Just choose to believe in Santa and see how that works. This is why Calvinism is such a dangerous doctrine. They acknowledge that everything must be predetermined by God - we have no say in who is punished and who is saved - and they are OK with it. Free will doesn't even need to be a factor in their view. I hope that Calvanism and all kinds of religious doctrines preaching predestination will be purged from the face of the earth. Because that is truly fanatic and dangerous; "Yes, we believe God spawned you on this plane of reality, and he has chosen you to fall into sin and punish you by eternal torture. No, you had no choice in this fate. And yes, God is good and you are evil, and still deserve this."
I have depression and severe anxiety from autism and ADHD. Growing up, I was always told to 'just pray for God to take my anxiety away'. Well, I started having doubts in my teen years about Christianity. And, the church I went to wasn't helping anything. I spent a lot of time in that church as I grew up in my teens, and it only served to make me hate churches. I had people gossip about my family and me, people judge us for our expressions (we were more accepting of things like dyed hair and skater clothes in a conservative way), and expecting us to act like we were perfect Christians. And, when my parents left the church, even when I was still going, the church took down all the things I had made for the church and even left my husband and me out of the birthday announcements in the bulletin. It wasn't that they forgot. It was that they didn't care. To this day, I still cannot go to a church without having severe anxiety and a panic attack. And, this is after some years of real therapy with a professional. I'm not sure how long it'll take to ever feel comfortable in a church without worrying about being heavily judged for being myself.
Why even go? I haven't gone in years, enjoy being able to sleep in on Sunday mornings, having more time, and definitely DON'T miss the drama! I prefer peace!
I feel your troubles Bethany, I have autism as well and had severe anxiety, mood swings and manic depression for most of my life. Believe it or not, I no longer have anxiety or depression because I decided to dramatically change my diet. No more processed foods, refined sugars, or plant material of any kind. I'm carnivorous now, just beef, water, butter, and recently goat milk. It took about a year for the diet to really change my brain, but then again I also had other issues like being fat. This diet has made the biggest change in my life ever, I also learned a lot about myself through the two years of this way of eating. I learned that all that anxiety, depression, mood swings and rage wasn't me, for so long I identified myself with being defective, while in reality I just wasn't eating and avoiding the right things. Now I feel very stable and I realized that all that praying I did when I was young and suffering was for nothing. After healing, I finally had a sound mind that decided to leave god behind, realizing that I used the idea as a crutch. I no longer need a crutch. If you do read this, I hope you find peace of mind someday, maybe It'll require a major change in your life, or maybe like me, you'll get tired of waiting for someone to show you how to fix yourself.
They understand medical science works very well when it’s THEM who needs it but the church congregation is their main source of income and they want you to keep coming back and giving them money so they have to relay everything to god, the Bible and faith; if they tell you “yeah you need to go see a medical professional,” but are up in the pulpit saying god can move literal mountains but can’t heal a broken bone, it can cause people to come to realization that religion is just a scam and then they can’t afford their private jets anymore.
I was raised Christian I started questioning around age 10, but what really pushed me away was the churches approach to mental health, women, gay people, and more.
"At the center of your anxiety is your pride!" EXCUSE ME WHAT?! The reason WHY I have anxiety is the thought of messing something up or saying the wrong thing to someone can make everyone in the room HATE me! In fact, if I had MORE pride in myself, I wouldn't be anxious at all! You don't even understand the BASICS OF THE ISSUE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!!!
I worry about the same things, like memories of saying or doing stupid things will keep me awake at night. But thinking about it now, I can’t recall the last time anyone else ever said or did anything to the point I’d actually remember it. And that makes me wonder...do people really not remember our blunders as well as we remember our own, or am I more forgiving with others than with myself? I hope it’s the former, it would be cool if it turned out that other people don’t think about (or even notice!) mistakes as much as we notice our own. Sorry, just wanted to throw that out there since you seem to be an agonizer just like I am, and the thought of not recalling other people’s blunders made me want to reassure you that maybe it’s not as bad as we think it is sometimes. Take care :)
@@namename8207 Well the kind of pride they're talking about is like the kind that Narcissists have. Narcissists are prideful because they believe that they can do no wrong under any circumstances EVER. And if something IS wrong, then it's on EVERYBODY ELSE. Anxiety is the exact opposite. If something wrong happens, even when it's NOT my fault, then I'm still constantly apologizing for it happening.
"Do not fear" ... could've sworn that was said by God's heckin creepy angel creatures, so that humans wouldn't decide they were monsters and attack them or run away in complete and utter terror? Context matters, lol ...
Jesus be like "people will persecute you but don't worry 'cause my father will be with you" The pastor's interpretation: being afraid is a sin Even within the context of Christianity what he said was bullshit. How come that I, an atheist, know the Biblie better than him?
as someone who regularly had panic attacks before i started zoloft, its absolutely horrible to hear ppl say you can just 'stop' being anxious. if i couldve not woken up in the middle of the night hyperventilating and feeling like i was having a stroke obviously i would have lol
I was lucky to be raised in a church that was accepting of psychology (to a degree, until you get to LGBT+ issues) but I came across one priest who was not just creationist but also very much hostile towards the field, at least they use exorcism as a last resort. As you can see you can justify many bad things happening though a "Fall" that never happened so in this way I think creationism is harmful as well. Then there's the legendary Catholic guilt that I've seen affect many. If possible, can you do an episode about the panic around pornography?
I second this idea on doing a video on the Panic of Pornography. I think the dangers of it being spouted by religious people about it are overblown...on top of the irony that people who live in Red, Conservative/More Christian states tend to consume more porn than others
@@rachel_sj in my previous community I really thought I had a porn addiction and went to see a counselor who told me there was nothing wrong with me besides anxiety (and of course I didn't believe him because I was made to believe that accepting one sexual thought would lead you to hell, in other words thoughtcrime). After I left I figured that I just had a bit of a sex drive and was heavily repressed for it, even then I've yet to become the hedonistic atheist I thought I'd become if I left so I can relate to what you mentioned.
Pornography is bad though. There are (CAUSAL, not just correlative) studies showing its harms, which I can link to if you want/care. But I suppose I am somewhat of a hypocrite. I watch it sometimes. This probably doesn't make much of a difference, but I also make sure never to use pornhub (they've been caught in the middle of trafficking scandals).
@@yekkub9425 please do, I'm well aware that the porn industry is full of shady stuff but again most industries are in some ways (especially if it turns out that big companies don't mind using child laborers in other countries for example) and I know about the PornHub situation. I've never seen anyone say that you can't get addicted to the stuff or that it's completely harmless so far, but that the churches often exaggerate those dangers to the point of thoughtcrime like it was in mine. Is masturbation and having casual sexual thoughts at all also harmful? My church very much thought so, almost to the point of considering them as harmful as murder (because according to them you'll go to hell for that too lest you repent)
I sin a real crapshoot of what you get when it comes to Catholic priest you can have the most healthy supportive deeply intellectual ones. Too wow that quite fundamentalist. I am Eastern Orthodox convert. I was lucky to go to OCA Parish where it wasn't just welcoming but normal people.
Exorcism is super funny when you account for the placebo effect. "I know it sounds weird, but if we pretend you have a demon and we're taking it away, it will create temporary pain relief!" Wtf
Agreed. There is only one very related issue: the nocebo effect. Meaning if you think something bad will happen if X is happening, then you will experience that bad thing regardless of an actual cause. Give someone a useless pill that your patient believes will make him ill and he might actually start suffering from whatever he feared the pill does. The believe in demonic possesion itself can actually make people fall ill, after all they "know" what types of sinful activities might cause those pesky demons to come around. And if they do "sin" they can make up their own demons that make them go bonkers... the nocebo effect is "fun".
This was my third run through of this video. My brother recently committed suicide due to mental illness and this video hits a little too close to home now. I never thought I would have someone bring up demon possession within 5 feet of my brothers body at his funeral. I never thought I would hear from so many people that they would pray that he doesn't go to hell since he committed suicide. It's bewildering.
I'm so sorry this happened to you. I have a similar experience. During my brother's memorial service, my evil father told the entire congregation that my brother would be in Hell because he died by suicide. It took everything in myself, my surviving siblings, and my brothers' friends not to drag this abusive monster from the pulpit and shut him up permanently. 🤬
I wish you lot here would realise Yu can;t Judge what they are saying from isolate Out of Context Clips presented in a Video by someon hwo uses Selective Editing and Priming to get You to see what he wants You to. Most of these people did not say what The Video Claims.
@@joshtatko4806 - How about Listening to the Whole Video the Clips came from? I did. Not for all of them, but some. I Recall they did not say what Belief It or Not reported. And by Say I am addressing what They mean , the Message they are conveying.
@@gothboschincarnate3931 - Again, Look up Representative Alan Grayson and His Infamous "Taliban Dan" Advertisement. ^ This is from Fact Check Dat Arg ^ """But now Grayson has lowered the bar even further. He’s using edited video to make his rival appear to be saying the opposite of what he really said. ^ ^ In a new ad, Grayson accuses his Republican opponent Daniel Webster of being a religious fanatic and dubs him “Taliban Dan.” But to make his case, Grayson manipulates a video clip to make it appear Webster was commanding wives to submit to their husbands, quoting a passage in the Bible. Four times, the ad shows Webster saying wives should submit to their husbands. In fact, Webster was cautioning husbands to avoid taking that passage as their own. The unedited quote is: “Don’t pick the ones [Bible verses] that say, ‘She should submit to me.’ ” ^ Continued Below.
My mom had diagnosed BPD. People at church and school knew about it... And we all struggled at home. Nobody did anything and my mom thought therapy was "new age" because the therapist wanted to discuss childhood trauma and inner child stuff.
Your videos actually help me recover from my church trauma because I yell the things I want to say about the Evangelical church at home. It honestly helping release the anger. Thank you for your videos 😌
Wow, I’ve only just discovered this channel! Bingeing. I will definitely be recommending to people who are deconstructing. Very well thought out and interesting presentation. Well done!
When I went to Bible college, my anxiety and depression was so bad that I wanted to unalive myself. The amount of times I heard “be anxious for nothing” and was told that it was a choice to feel that way. I was told this by friends and professors! I almost jumped off our balcony because of my mental health but because I just barely didn’t do it, the campus “therapist” said that I wasn’t bad enough to see her regularly. I was told that anxiety and depression was caused by demons by a pastor who happened to go to school with us. That was one of the reasons that I left. Can you say religious trauma!?
I remember being very depressed and extremely confused in my teenage years. Instead of seeing a therapist or talking to someone, I was just told "Let god into your heart. Ask god to make you feel better. You're choosing to feel that way instead of listening to god" Then it was suddenly surprising when I was self harming.
@@fluffypuppy4831 Allow me to translate:"Religion breeds a hivemind that is ignorant of who God is. The evidence is in the cult conforming mentality they present that in no way promotes peace, love, generosity or forgiveness. Thus if you are to know God, you must do so on your own, and in doing so you come to know God and thus earn everlasting life in Heaven." At least that's how I understand it, and while I've gotten to know God for myself, I'm not certain I'm guaranteed a place in Heaven... Too many sins to count you see.
@@DemonicRemption If religion breeds a hive mind why do most major ones have so many different perspectives on the same source material? It’s like you people don’t think before typing dumb crap like this.
I was having some problems so I went to see a therapist. I mentioned it to my dad. He insisted that the answer was Jesus not therapy. Long story short... diabetes. Yeah, my anger issues and cloudy thinking was a tip-off of a serious physiological problem that all the prayer in the world wouldn’t have fixed.
Then, the same people who thought you could pray away the cloudy thinking will actively sabotage your diabetes self-care as well as your recommended diabetic diet, and either tell you to stop taking prescribed medications or go to "a better doctor" who will prescribe you (more) insulin. With friends like those, I'll spend more time with my enemies!
I'm in therapy trying to undo all the damage that religious trauma has done to me. As a child, I was constantly reminded of eternal damnation and hellfire if I didn't repent and if I died "impure" or with sin. I was taught that we were sinners and bad people just for pretty much existing and that the only way to absolve us is to repent and follow God's will. It was wrong of me to begin developing sexual thoughts and urges during puberty and my teenage years. I don't believe in eternal punishment after death anymore, but the fear still roots deep because that's how my brain was developing as a child. I became depressed, a people-pleaser, and had serious self-esteem issues. I resent the religious people who made me "scared for my soul" so-to-speak.
when I was still in church, our (temporary) pastor had a sermon that literally said that depression was caused by selfishness. I got up and walked out that day, but that still prevented me from seeking help for years.
Been binging these videos. I'm a Christian, and it's great to hear where we have fallen short/been pretty awful people. Thanks for being willing to point this out.
