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When Prayers Aren't Answered 

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Prayer is important to a lot of people, but what happens when you realize your prayers are just not being answered.
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@toavs3977
@toavs3977 3 года назад
"I prayed and asked God for a bike, but I remembered that's not how God works; so I stole a bike, and asked God for forgiveness."
@jojothejanitor2134
@jojothejanitor2134 3 года назад
Thanks for the laugh, my friend.
@autonomouscollective2599
@autonomouscollective2599 3 года назад
I believe that’s an Emo Phillips joke.
@jojothejanitor2134
@jojothejanitor2134 3 года назад
@@autonomouscollective2599 Gonna have to look this guy up now.
@maekong2010
@maekong2010 3 года назад
Toavs: Heheheheh... You know I know that's not original, but, man, it's hilarious just the same.
@lpk6372
@lpk6372 3 года назад
And I bet you he did cause you weren't arrested
@theautisticguitarist7560
@theautisticguitarist7560 3 года назад
Man the more I learn about religions, the more I realize how much time they spend explaining why they don't work.
@generatoralignmentdevalue
@generatoralignmentdevalue 3 года назад
To build on the reply above, it's literally evolution. Religious ideas compete to survive, and what we see in the most established religions are the ideas that do best at gaining and keeping believers.
@surviving7732
@surviving7732 3 года назад
@@generatoralignmentdevalue Thats interesting never really thought of it like that but it makes sense.
@Rawnblade13
@Rawnblade13 3 года назад
A neverending flood of excuses.
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant 3 года назад
@@nothanks6549 Well, well, lets not talk down on Religion, shall we? The 'plot holes' come from 'details made by Humans', after all. Theres plenty of Healthy Theists, all around the Globe. So dont forget this. ...Though i have to say... people like 'Kent Hovind' outright disgust me, to the point of vomitting...
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant 3 года назад
@@nothanks6549 Yeah. I didnt meant to say you were toxic.
@KodiaxeMusic
@KodiaxeMusic 3 года назад
Imagine just chilling in your living room and someone drives into it and said God sent them.
@KodiaxeMusic
@KodiaxeMusic 3 года назад
Thank you for noticing me ʕ ꈍᴥꈍʔ 👉👈
@Hchris101
@Hchris101 3 года назад
The beginning of an action movie isekai
@cameronwilsey9334
@cameronwilsey9334 3 года назад
I would call the police
@Hchris101
@Hchris101 3 года назад
@@cameronwilsey9334 you would call the police if a car crashed into your house? Bro that’s messed up
@cameronwilsey9334
@cameronwilsey9334 3 года назад
@@Hchris101 If someone crashed into my house and were in a state of mind to tell me that god sent them, then yes I would call the cops. Because if they can tell me that they're probably not too injured and if they say something like that I can suspect they're high or something if the sort.
@milkenobi
@milkenobi 2 года назад
I’m gonna give god a parenting lesson here. As a parent if my child asks me for something, possible options include - granting their request - without ambiguity, clearly articulating why the request cannot be granted - clearly explaining what it would take to grant the request - if it will take some time I do my best to provide a reasonable timeframe to which I can be held to account Despite being a weak, squishy, not all powerful human without access to omnipotence and omniscience, I manage to use clear communication with words, in their language, verbally or by text. I don’t just silently ignore them and hope they figure out the mysterious lesson I’m trying to teach them, or ignore them because they’re misbehaved and hope they introspectively figure that out. Coz Y’know, that would be shitty parenting.
@sustainablelife1st
@sustainablelife1st 2 года назад
As a parent, if your child was being abused by your neighbor, would you even wait to be asked to intervene? "God" is the exact opposite of a good parent.
@kpl-CA
@kpl-CA 2 года назад
BRAVO. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 "Gawd" would be a PATHETIC human parent. A total DEADBEAT LOSER parent. Nobody would trust them with a child. Abusive, neglectful, petulant, cruel, vicious, selfish... All the people making EXCUSES for "gawd" are excusing abuse, exploitation and lying. That is who they are. They "obey" those who promote abuse, fraud and exploitation.
@dryfox11
@dryfox11 Год назад
Yeah, I’d call a child murdered a pretty bad parent (Kings 22:23)
@unoriginal2552
@unoriginal2552 Год назад
You know you're a shitty god if a human can give better parenting lessons than a tri-omni being
@alvinchen9655
@alvinchen9655 Год назад
Wish that you were God’s god.
@santicruz4012
@santicruz4012 2 года назад
After 26 years of waiting for an answer from God, he finally answered my prayer last night; I said: God, if its your will that I become an atheist, say nothing........... Well amen!
@AlexPerez-tt9ru
@AlexPerez-tt9ru 2 года назад
Can't argue with that. Makes sense
@toni4729
@toni4729 2 года назад
I did that when I was seven.
@amandafey
@amandafey 2 года назад
I LOOOOVE being an atheist SO much. It's so liberating and filled with REAL truth!!!!
@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman
@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman Год назад
​@@amandafey fax
@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman
@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman Год назад
😂
@corpile
@corpile 3 года назад
"freedom of religion?" I was sent to the principal for not pledging allegiance to "one nation under God." Freedom of religion means freedom to not be Christian.
@coopergates9680
@coopergates9680 3 года назад
Ideally, it is one nation *above* God ( :
@匕卄モ匕卄丹れKち
@匕卄モ匕卄丹れKち 3 года назад
Freedom of religion has always meant freedom of Christian religions it was never meant to apply to Islam Hinduism or any other religion except Christianity and maybe Judaism, just like if it becomes legal for teachers to teach the Bible and to have prayer in the classroom, it would be illegal for a Muslim or Hindu or any teacher of any non Christian or Jewish faith to teach their religion,
@coopergates9680
@coopergates9680 3 года назад
@@匕卄モ匕卄丹れKち That isn't freedom, it's Christian supremacy.
@匕卄モ匕卄丹れKち
@匕卄モ匕卄丹れKち 3 года назад
@@coopergates9680 yes but that how Christians see it , they want the Bible to be taught and be outraged if the Quran or veda was taught in schools.
@coopergates9680
@coopergates9680 3 года назад
@@匕卄モ匕卄丹れKち Followers of other faiths might see it in their own light also, that their fables are the "only true" ones.
@peppermintpsaki1157
@peppermintpsaki1157 3 года назад
Prayer: because god already knows what you want, he just wants to hear you beg for it.
@thedarknessthatcomesbefore4279
@thedarknessthatcomesbefore4279 3 года назад
And then does nothing about it 😂
@excalibur493
@excalibur493 3 года назад
"If he came to hear me beg, he will be disappointed."
@Eivesohn
@Eivesohn 3 года назад
Sounds kinky ngl
@monus782
@monus782 3 года назад
Precisely, that’s what you’re supposed to do in heaven anyways (at least according to the traditional theology) and prayer is just training you for that.
@southpaw117
@southpaw117 3 года назад
@@excalibur493 Are you sure?
@jaydabogert6932
@jaydabogert6932 3 года назад
I heard a quote from a video by the friendly atheist that I like. “Believing in God is like doing a group project where God does none of the work but gets all the credit”. I like this quote a lot because it reminds me of how I felt about prayer when I was Christian. Anything bad that happened wasn’t God’s fault but the things that you or the people around you worked hard to achieve is all Gods doing. When you think about it feels kind of messed up.
@Droemar
@Droemar 3 года назад
I remember seeing something like "Thank God the hurricane changed directions!" on Facebook once. It was a few years ago. But it was such an expert moment in "God fucks some people and not others based on your prayers." I spoke to another Christian, who basically said she was okay if God murdered non-believers by the millions. Props to her standing for the strengths of her convictions. But I'm pretty sure that's how a lot of Christians see the whole prayer thing. The bad luck and chaos and suffering goes to people you don't like.
@kitsune630
@kitsune630 3 года назад
@@nothanks6549 that girl is my spirit animal and you cant change my mind
@匕卄モ匕卄丹れKち
@匕卄モ匕卄丹れKち 3 года назад
@@Droemar of course I seriously doubt a Christian cries and mourns when they hear of nonbelievers being killed, after all they’ve perfectly fine with believing nonbelievers will burn in hell just because they rejected god. But most have to pretend that their cult is all about love forgiveness and understanding.
@malum9478
@malum9478 3 года назад
@@nothanks6549 salute to that hero woman o7
@ghostnoodle9721
@ghostnoodle9721 3 года назад
It keeps you struggling to prove yourself to yourself so you will be forever emotionally handicapped and have to use God as a crutch
@MisterJtheGamer
@MisterJtheGamer 3 года назад
my current wallpaper: “Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.” - Markus Aurelius
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant 3 года назад
Being good is good, no matter what. That much is kinda obvious.
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant 3 года назад
Makes me wonder though: If you want to live good and help others, why dont you use the reportbutton of youtube? I mean, that button exists... and open racism, obvious sexism, p0rn, n-dity, Scammer, spam-bots, and fusions of the listed, all exist. ??
@nucleargoofball8043
@nucleargoofball8043 3 года назад
@@loturzelrestaurant I suppose that would be the "internet warrior" equivalent of smiting evil where it stands. Another type of good.
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant 3 года назад
@@nucleargoofball8043 Not really. I mean, Cancel-Culture does have its 180 Degree Opposite - didnt you knew? ?
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant 3 года назад
@@nucleargoofball8043 'At least' its 'objectively good' to destroy Spam-Bots... obviously... That much is the very least and most obvious, and if your stuck at that level, ok, fine for you, but i am a bit above that, tbh.
@Likeicare96
@Likeicare96 3 года назад
My dad recorded a goodbye video the day before he past away, a couple hours before falling into a coma. I struggle to watch that video not so much because of grief, but because he talks about how “people may think he did not have enough faith or pray enough but god knows his heart and this must be his plan.” However, knowing my dad, I could see the doubt in his face. I had already deconverted a couple years before at that point but was still “in the closet” about it. I cannot tell you how unhelpful and honestly, infuriating, it is that people use that video to tell me how much my dad “loved god and trusted in his plan” like it’s a good thing. I see it as a tragic story of someone who was confused about how he had spent his life serving god (his was a missionary) and rewarded with a painful and early death.
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant 3 года назад
Interesting.
@cindys9491
@cindys9491 Год назад
The poor man. I'm so sorry that even at the end, he had to defend himself against people's suspicions that he died bc of lack of faith. Sounds like the story of Job's friends, blaming the dying man. I'm sorry they pulled that garbage on him.
@Likeicare96
@Likeicare96 Год назад
@@peterpulpitpounder yeah, I’m not going to trust in something that doesn’t exist My lack of belief in God isn’t to do with this event. It predates that and has to do with the lack of evidence. This was just an insult to injury. I promise you, I know the Bible way better than you do. It was actually the more deeper I delved into it and learned apologetics to strengthen my faith that kickstarted my journey to unbelief. I went into it with the biased eyes of a believer, and god still failed the test
@peterpulpitpounder
@peterpulpitpounder Год назад
@@Likeicare96 So you think there is a lack of evidence for God? And you also guarantee that you "know the bible way better than I do?" I disagree, of course, with your former statement, and, um, that latter statement sounds extremely proud and quite arrogant, as you know nothing of the theological training I have received. The irony is that scores of people who delved "deeper" into the realm of theology/apologetics, etc., have come to the very opposite conclusion as yourself. These are bright, intelligent, well-read, educated, highly competent individuals who have had their faith strengthened and solidified in the process of probing the credibility of God and the Bible. And why do you think their conclusions were radically different than you own? That's something to ponder. Of course, both positions can't be correct. So, you now deem yourself to be a glorified frog, living, breathing and thinking, and all by time and chance? Wow, that's pretty inspiring. And you have a few days on earth to do whatever you want, before lapsing into non-existence and nothingness? Those gazillions of galaxies, with their gazillions of stars, just "popped" into existence all on their own? Hmmm, this godlessness of yours doesn't seem to have much in the way of that substance and proof you said the intelligent design position lacks. In fact, it's a rather silly, illogical, absurd and dark viewpoint, to say the least. Design demands a designer, and your own DNA is testimony to this fact.
@aldxbaran
@aldxbaran Год назад
@@peterpulpitpounder Hopefully this demonic mind cult will someday be expunged from your mind, and you can learn to live a real life instead of existing as a puppet; another vessel to facilitate the spread of this cancerous, mentally imprisoning cult.
@SennaHawx
@SennaHawx 3 года назад
Always counter-pray other people's prayers. It's way more successfull
@skygard49
@skygard49 3 года назад
But I want doughnuts :.(
@SatanasExMachina
@SatanasExMachina 3 года назад
@@skygard49 Then counterpray the counterprayers....checkmate athiests.
@jordanazevedo5688
@jordanazevedo5688 3 года назад
@@skygard49 I just prayed that you don’t get donuts sorry bud the the OP said too
@j.kaimori3848
@j.kaimori3848 3 года назад
"God, if it's your will to let John win the lottery, let it be. But we will trust you whatever the outcome and know that you provide for us." Aka, "John stfu. God ain't gonna give you that."
@Orynae
@Orynae 3 года назад
@@j.kaimori3848 that sounds exactly like some people I know when they're praying about someone's terminal injury/illness. aka "yeah we know the medically proven outcome, but at least we tried praying just in case"
@InkedRequiem
@InkedRequiem 3 года назад
I grew up in a church that taught mental illness was demonic oppression or possession. Growing up with an intense fear of hell and demons didn't help my anxiety as you can imagine. Because I had no way of knowing what anxiety or depression actually was, (growing up taught psychology was basically witchcraft) when I would feel overwhelmed to the point of a panic attack, I believed it was a demon trying to get into my soul, which made the panic attack 10 times worse. I used to pray on my knees every night, begging for God to take my mental illness from me, but it would never leave. There was nothing more dehumanizing then praying for something fervently for years, while everyone, family especially, would blame the unanswered prayer on your own lack of faith. I appreciate your videos so much, thank you for posting!
@marvelous971-j6m
@marvelous971-j6m 3 года назад
This what happens when you take religion over science you take a trip to the dark ages just kidding.
@InkedRequiem
@InkedRequiem 3 года назад
@@marvelous971-j6m Hard to take a side against your parents when you're 13, and they won't let you have any other influences in your life. but yeah I'm in my 20's now, I've been an atheist for 4 years.
@marvelous971-j6m
@marvelous971-j6m 3 года назад
@@InkedRequiem thats alright i wasnt making fun of you.I was making fun of the church leaders. That was in your church.
@jacobnoelle8428
@jacobnoelle8428 3 года назад
@@InkedRequiem hope you find a new family
@TurkPowers
@TurkPowers 3 года назад
I grew up being taught the exact same thing. It was a "spiritual issue." I hope you found the peace you were looking for... I feel ten times better, but now I am a lost soul trying to figure it out all over again.
@StrawberryVein
@StrawberryVein 3 года назад
I almost never prayed because I was told that God was omnipresent and always knew what was in my heart. Prayer just felt like God forcing me to say "please"
@chewxieyang4677
@chewxieyang4677 3 года назад
And asking God to change his mind. Even Jonah was miffed when God decided to spare Nineveh when Nineveh repented.
@zetch972
@zetch972 3 года назад
This is a very good point Brian.
@monus782
@monus782 3 года назад
At least according to the Catholic theology I was taught, that’s the whole point. You’d be kissing his butt and sing praises for eternity if you made it to heaven so prayer is just training for that.
@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman
@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman Год назад
​@@monus782 lol, like school training you to be a employee
@camiw377
@camiw377 3 года назад
I'm a trans woman. When I was younger, before I fully understood what I was feeling or what being trans is, I used to pray that I would wake up as a girl. When that didn't work after years, I prayed that I wouldn't feel the way I did, because it made me hate myself and my life and I was told that it was wrong to feel that way. It never worked. Now, years later, I'm an atheist and a woman and happier than I've ever been. That wasn't any god that made that happen. It was me.
@aurorasideras2015
@aurorasideras2015 2 года назад
Glad I wasn’t the only one. 😅
@Alpha121198
@Alpha121198 2 года назад
Oh my goodness a fellow sister!
@Legorreta.M.D
@Legorreta.M.D 2 года назад
And having you discovering that for yourself is god’s wisdom manifesting in the plan he had for you (is the mental gymnastics a religious person would try and do)
@elimiuzu
@elimiuzu 2 года назад
@@Legorreta.M.D a religious person would prob say smth more along the lines of "this is not God's plan for you, he made you a specific gender so you should just stay that way and not try to change and alter his creation for you are fearlessly and wonderfully made in His image...you may enjoy you temporary time here on earth now but you will burn and be tortured in hell later forever..." totally wasn't told stuff like that before...
@elimortley2782
@elimortley2782 2 года назад
@@Legorreta.M.D you had us in the first half ngl
@daviddenis4178
@daviddenis4178 3 года назад
Can I just say how much I hate the phrase "give me a wife". She's a human being, not a chocolate bar.
@hakureikura9052
@hakureikura9052 3 года назад
yeah, but still, can you imagine, "give me a wife!" and then a beautiful woman wearing nothing but a ribbon wrapping that says "i'm yours" what a treat, eh?
@justinsorensen9787
@justinsorensen9787 3 года назад
What if you ask Good for a husband as a man? How does that paradox work?
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant 3 года назад
Well, well, lets not talk down on Religion, shall we? The 'plot holes' come from 'details made by Humans', after all. Theres plenty of Healthy Theists, all around the Globe. So dont forget this. ...Though i have to say... people like 'Kent Hovind' outright disgust me, to the point of vomitting...
@shripleypibbles
@shripleypibbles 3 года назад
@@loturzelrestaurant yeah i always say religion has no power on its own, humans write it and interpret it to suit whatever their intentions are to begin with. If there were no religion humans would still suck.
@infernalstryfe
@infernalstryfe 3 года назад
I got tired of praying to God, for an honest, loving, supporting, & respectful wife. Such women, are like the mythical unicorn, they may exist, but the likelihood of finding, & making such a being your partner...well let's just say, lightning will strike you first, before that happens. That's why I chose the waifu laifu, instead. She may not be real, in the traditional sense, but neither is unconditional love from a woman, or that of a God, for that matter.
@faithyoung5879
@faithyoung5879 3 года назад
When my aunt passed away (she was my mother figure, raised my sister and I) she was battling cancer. She passed away and that Sunday I went to church and the pastors wife came up to me saying she was praying for my aunt and knew she was going to be healed. I told her she passed away and her face went blank. She didn't even know what to say. I was so shocked that someone so "spiritual" could be so wrong... I knew her intensions were for good, but it was just so shocking.
@faithyoung5879
@faithyoung5879 3 года назад
@@nothanks6549 thank you! It was, especially thinking that praying could heal her. It's something I still struggle with to this day.
@faithyoung5879
@faithyoung5879 3 года назад
@@wiseowl3 she pretty much just said, oh I'm so sorry and moved on.
@weemac4645
@weemac4645 2 года назад
It's all bollocks,there are no Gods.
@joshuaclabeaux1470
@joshuaclabeaux1470 Год назад
And turned your back on God for turning his back on you; I get it...
@cindys9491
@cindys9491 Год назад
The word "knew" is the worst...she automatically said knew your loved one was going to be healed instead of asking how she was or asking if there was anything she could do to help.
@SenorEscaso
@SenorEscaso 3 года назад
15:37 That's disgusting. Imagine making someone feel like maybe they are the reason God might let their mom die. Absolutely despicable. I don't even think that's biblical. Doesn't the Bible say that you only need faith "the size of a mustard seed"?
@rasberrybi8577
@rasberrybi8577 3 года назад
also says that "if two or more are gathered the prayer is being heard" so I don't think it would have mattered if one of them didn't have faith. if one of the brothers had faith, and the prayer group had faith it woulda been done. the contradictions those people make are horrible :(
@marvelous971-j6m
@marvelous971-j6m 3 года назад
More evidence that the bible is man made.
@madisoncannoles4907
@madisoncannoles4907 3 года назад
And, to put this on the children that are already having to deal with the trauma of losing a parent! It's truly disgusting.
@quietone2674
@quietone2674 3 года назад
How does one measure the size of your faith? Faith isn't a physical thing, so even that doesn't make any sense.
@suezuccati304
@suezuccati304 3 года назад
@@quietone2674 this is supposed to be a metaphore :v
@suboptimal2019
@suboptimal2019 3 года назад
If god “has a plan for you” meaning your destiny is determined beforehand. Why do we even pray? The future is determined already, how could it change because you pray? Paradox.
@crusatyr1452
@crusatyr1452 3 года назад
I've heard it said that God looks into the future to see if you'll pray for certain things and adjusts your destiny accordingly. Not a perfect explanation, but I think it's p creative.
@MrYondaime1995
@MrYondaime1995 3 года назад
@@crusatyr1452 Yeah, I've heard that one. Problem is that god seeing into your future and knowing that you'll pray still locks you into a future where you'll pray or not. Therefore people have no free will and prayer still can't change anything because you didn't choose to pray.
@crusatyr1452
@crusatyr1452 3 года назад
@@MrYondaime1995 The cookie-cutter response being that God knowing the future doesn't mean he causes it. I always find it funny when you can tell that a person listens to apologists because they say the same responses every time XD
@B.S._Lewis
@B.S._Lewis 3 года назад
Anybody who believes in answered prayers involving another person doesn't reeeeeally believe in free will.
@B.S._Lewis
@B.S._Lewis 3 года назад
@@crusatyr1452 Just because God knows the future also doesn't mean he didn't cause it...
@walmartpimp2
@walmartpimp2 3 года назад
Prayer does work. I once prayed for god to never allow anyone else's prayers to ever come true, unless of course they prayed for something that could naturally occur on it's own (i.e rain on a cloudy day, chemo patient's cancer going away, etc), and sure enough my prayer was answered. Praise be too he.
@existenceispain4333
@existenceispain4333 3 года назад
One time I went to church with my partner and they had a missionary lady talking about her experience in Africa with her family. They were not very successful so the lady prayed to God asking what she had to do to start converting people. Apparently she had a dream which she thought symbolized her husbands death. She and her family prayed for months for her husbands health. Her husband later got cancer and died. She told their story and somehow got a lot of people to convert. So her whole message was basically “god” made her SACRIFICE HER HUSBAND so they could push religion on a couple people who would be fine without it. Even more fucked up everyone clapped afterwards and didn’t seem to realize how screwed up that is. It seriously pissed me off.
@Drasnier
@Drasnier Год назад
That is disgusting. I'm sorry for her and her family.
@basedsavage4793
@basedsavage4793 Год назад
Yea that’s not a Christian way of thinking that lady doesn’t understand proper theology
@ch3burashka
@ch3burashka 3 года назад
The podcast is fun, but I want to express how much I enjoy these features, and how much I appreciate the amount of work and effort goes into the script and editing. I appreciate the personal perspective you bring to these videos.
@franciszaldivar337
@franciszaldivar337 3 года назад
I second that and I only subscribed about a couple months ago
@Hchris101
@Hchris101 3 года назад
Poggers channel
@Bobson_Dugnutt_Esq
@Bobson_Dugnutt_Esq 3 года назад
Agreed. These pieces are uplifting and encouraging in all the ways church tried and never quite succeeded in. Thanks for this 👍
@starleyphans4065
@starleyphans4065 3 года назад
Yeah. Totally agree. LOVE the podcast. Also very excited when I see a new video essay. I'm A huge fan of the pop culture clips punctuating the points.
@muddlewait8844
@muddlewait8844 3 года назад
This, very much. I feel like the podcast is largely commiserating, which is important, but these pieces define the channel.
@jamescrossman0078
@jamescrossman0078 3 года назад
The whole "haven't prayed enough" thing really destroyed me as a Christian. I used to really struggle with prayer because I always felt like I wasn't saying enough, so I just had to keep on praying until it felt right... which can take a long time... Also, I'm still loving these videos
@nooneneedstoknow9580
@nooneneedstoknow9580 3 года назад
Same. I am bipolar and it was undiagnosed until my adulthood, so my teenage years were spent with me wondering what was wrong with me and I thought I must just not be a good enough Christian. I was constantly praying these elaborate really long prayers. Sometimes I would fall asleep praying and then wake up feeling like I must have let Satan lure me into sleep (bipolar paranoia can be a real bitch, especially when you add religion to it). I would be praying for every person I ever said I would pray for. Praying for forgiveness for anything I may have possibly done wrong. I spent countless hours in a prayer journal. I prayed with friends at the Christian Club after school. I'm glad he's doing videos like these. It helps with some of my healing from religion and I'm sure others can say the same.
@mimszanadunstedt441
@mimszanadunstedt441 3 года назад
Ah, prayer, the art of not doing something good, while thinking you're putting in effort.
@youtoo2233
@youtoo2233 2 года назад
If God is real problem is people treat him like a genie, ready to grant every wish
@yadabub
@yadabub 2 года назад
@@youtoo2233 The real problem is "God" wont even grant the wish to tell you that he's there, so you know that you aren't just praying to yourself. Almost like he's not there, and you *are* just praying to yourself. No wonder God always agrees with his followers so long as they move with the herd.
@cindys9491
@cindys9491 Год назад
That's awful they said that. It also implies that it's the suffering person who has the ultimate power (it's not God's will at all, it's that whichever John/Jane Doe hasn't prayed enough or they'd automatically be happy). If me praying enough could get me everything, that's just the prosperity gospel all over again.
@bradypustridactylus488
@bradypustridactylus488 3 года назад
When people tell me that I never was truly Christian, all I can say is that I spent a lot of gut wrenching hours on my knees trying to make it work for me. I think maybe I always knew that I was atheist in the same way I have always known I am gay. Prayer, no matter hard I tried, always felt forced, fake, and futile. Other believers would come out of a prayer meeting exclaiming how strong the Spirit of the Lord had been present, and I thought, "Where? When? How come I missed it?"
@Nocturnalux
@Nocturnalux 3 года назад
To me, being a child in Church, was terrifying as I was very afraid of God. Later, as an older child and as a teen, it often felt like being in the asylum: I'd look around to everyone swaying with emotion over Jesus and go, "holy shit, they've all took leave of their senses!". Occasionally, it was funny enough. More often than not, it was truly scary. Because there were so many of them.
@haruhirogrimgar6047
@haruhirogrimgar6047 3 года назад
It is a really strange idea to me to pray up to someone. Like, how can you feel good after submitting and begging someone to show you mercy? Like, I can imagine praying adjacently, or making requests. But praying up is so strange.
@madisoncannoles4907
@madisoncannoles4907 3 года назад
@@Nocturnalux so, idk if you know what pentacostal do in church, but it's honestly one step down from snake handling.... my parents were never religious, but each come from VERY southern baptist families. Since they were on a mission to save my soul, I ended up going to church with my grandma a lot. When I was 11 or 12 and was allowed to sit in service with her, the speaking in tongues, passing out, truly terrifying!
@kevinramsey417
@kevinramsey417 3 года назад
When anyone tells me I never was truly christian, I tell them "Neither were you." The more self righteous they are, the bigger the hypocrite they are.
@Nocturnalux
@Nocturnalux 3 года назад
@@madisoncannoles4907 Oh, I can well imagine that. I was introduced to that kind of craziness around age 13 when the hotel my family was spending the holidays in had access to TBN. It blew my mind. I would laugh until I fell out of my seat but every now then, I'd think, "but being in that congregation must be TERRIFYING". Honestly, if it were me, I'd probably try to blend in because just the thought of all those holy rollers zeroing in on the one person who isn't slayed in the spirit is utterly terrifying. Did you try to go along with the madness?
@TheNotoriousBTG
@TheNotoriousBTG 3 года назад
One of my common prayers as a kid was asking for the wisdom of Solomon. Nearly 20 years later, I'm an atheist. Either my prayer was answered and it led me to atheism, or prayers don't get answered.
@officaldaelight
@officaldaelight 3 года назад
i used to ask god to give me "the gift of discernment". it was the top "godly gift" i asked for. after coming to my own conclusions, i became an agnostic. god works in mysterious ways indeed lmao
@amandafey
@amandafey 2 года назад
I did too!!
@FallingPicturesProductions
@FallingPicturesProductions Год назад
Considering how the tale of Solomon ends, with him turning to false gods, the answer might actually be that atheism was the wisdom.
@kaitlynejones
@kaitlynejones 3 года назад
***trigger warning*** That one about the abuse really hit home for me. I used to sit up & cry my eyes out begging to God to help me escape my abuser who was also my step father. Nothing ever happened & I just felt like I was crying out to no one who was ever listening. After 13 years I was finally able to escape with no help from some miracle or higher power … but from me finally getting the courage to come out with my story & take him to court. Everyone prayed for him to get found guilty , he was found not guilty. Everyone prayed for my mom to be cured of her cancer, mom still died. The whole thing is nuts.
@TimH-pu2dd
@TimH-pu2dd 3 года назад
One thing about prayer that didn't occur to me while I was a Christian: we only pray for things that could come to us naturally, without supernatural intervention. For example, we might pray for money to fix a broken window, but we don't pray for the glass to become whole again. We pray for a cure to a disease but not for the return of an amputated limb. It's as if we are subconsciously doing our part to help perpetuate the myth that praying works.
@DaveBAnthony
@DaveBAnthony 3 года назад
Mark 11:22-24 22"Have faith in God," Jesus answered. 23"Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them. 24Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
@TimH-pu2dd
@TimH-pu2dd 3 года назад
@@DaveBAnthony Are you suggesting that broken glass can be supernaturally returned to wholeness by requesting it in a prayer?
@DaveBAnthony
@DaveBAnthony 3 года назад
@@TimH-pu2dd This, any many more things can be done by prayer. This generation fails to understand the power of God, so they do not understand the power of prayer. Do you not believe in the most high? With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
@TimH-pu2dd
@TimH-pu2dd 3 года назад
@@DaveBAnthony Let me know how to verify that is true, and I will believe it.
@DaveBAnthony
@DaveBAnthony 3 года назад
@@TimH-pu2dd It has already been verified to you. For our own existence without God, is impossible. But with the lord it is possible. To formulate such a question, is proof of God's will. Have faith in God, and much will be revealed. Have a great day! (I used to be an atheist as well).
@LuckyLu602
@LuckyLu602 3 года назад
When I was a child, I always wondered why god wouldn’t answer my prayers for help when I was being sexually abused by my stepfather and stepbrothers. I remember praying so hard to god to keep them from coming into my bedroom at night. Maybe it wasn’t god’s will and I HAD to be molested?
@braedenthetitan7556
@braedenthetitan7556 3 года назад
Hey lala, as a Christian I’m just going to start off by saying that this is absolutely disgusting what they did to you and god absolutely did not want that to happen to you. The devil was working in your step brothers and father and it was just terrible. God loves and cares for you and can heal you from the emotional pain you’ve been dealing with!!! Never doubt the lord!
@ezekielsmith8603
@ezekielsmith8603 3 года назад
@@braedenthetitan7556 wow
@SagaVonDrusus
@SagaVonDrusus 3 года назад
@@braedenthetitan7556 there's a time and a place to preach about God, and this is absolutely not the time.
@gorbsupreme7555
@gorbsupreme7555 3 года назад
@@braedenthetitan7556 dude read the room
@JimJamTheAdmin
@JimJamTheAdmin 3 года назад
@@braedenthetitan7556 you are seriously disgusting.
@emilybarclay8831
@emilybarclay8831 3 года назад
If prayer works, it means either god can be swayed by human desires, or that god requires begging before he heals baby cancer. Both of which are horrifying
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant 3 года назад
Related but not blood-related Topic (if you allow me): Not enough people use the reportbutton of youtube. Maybe because 'Cancel-Culture' scared them so much that they know (wrongly) think that Abuse of the System 'existing' means they 'cant cannot' abuse the System themselves... which is of course dumb... So yeah: I wished more people would do as originally intended: Help RU-vid. Finding obvious Racists, Open Sexism, Scammer or spam-Bots, is actually fairly easy, tbh. ...Why not give it a Try? A Try to help out?
@emilybarclay8831
@emilybarclay8831 3 года назад
@@loturzelrestaurant I’ve reported a good few spammer bots in my time lol
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant 3 года назад
@@emilybarclay8831 Cool. But i dare to daringly ask in a daringly manner: ...Why not do more? Can you?
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant 3 года назад
@@emilybarclay8831 Just this week, i got some Big screaming Covid-Deniers removed, so why not join the Fun?
@someonewhobitthedust9124
@someonewhobitthedust9124 3 года назад
Can't even count how many times I prayed for my mental illnesses to go away and they did not. Still have them but getting actual mental health care from trained professionals helps a lot more than prayer ever did.
@HolyApplebutter
@HolyApplebutter 3 года назад
I remember hearing of an experiment conducted within a hospital with two groups. One group that was treated normally, acting as the control group. The other group that was treated just the same, but was also prayed for. At the end of the experiment, the mortality rates, recoveries, etc had no significant deviance between the two. Prayer didn't help. The Christians' response? "You can't put God in a bottle."
@killthepandas.
@killthepandas. 3 года назад
i always wondered why some prayers are never answered, and people always told me "it's not God's will", but if he only does what he wants to, why even bother praying?
@peppermintpsaki1157
@peppermintpsaki1157 3 года назад
It’s funny how many times their denial makes them deaf to all the “NO’s”, no is an answer, too 😂
@justcallmekai1554
@justcallmekai1554 3 года назад
@@peppermintpsaki1157 "God please heal my lil brother he ruptured his skull" "..Ya hear something??"
@kevinramsey417
@kevinramsey417 3 года назад
Yet these same people want God to change the result of an entire election because their guy lost. If Trump losing was not God's will then God is not infallible, ergo he is not all-powerful. Not only that, but these people go on about God's perfect plan but have the temerity to think they can dictate to God what that plan is.
@malum9478
@malum9478 3 года назад
that's the real kicker. the truth is: even if god _were_ real, fuck him. i refuse to worship him, he's an asshole.
@monus782
@monus782 3 года назад
From what I remember at least in my church you’re supposed to pray even if you don’t need anything, in heaven you’ll be kissing his butt for eternity so prayer is just a training for that.
@Droemar
@Droemar 3 года назад
"Why do you only talk to me when things are bad?" I dunno, God, you saddled me with original sin and told me I'm hellbound without You, so maybe it's your fault things are little dark. Haha, just kidding, I'm agnostic and not Christian.
@Questionablexfun
@Questionablexfun 3 года назад
😆I’ve got the same sentiments .. also agnostic haha
@of1564
@of1564 3 года назад
FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT!! Brother, please repent and your soul may be forgiven. Ha ha, just kidding, I'm catholic, but not a fanatic.
@austinlincoln3414
@austinlincoln3414 3 года назад
Lol
@HelloHamburger
@HelloHamburger 3 года назад
@@Questionablexfun I am atheist I believe. I am not sure the difference between agnostics and atheists, but I believe agnostics are a little less certain and more neutral than atheists? Is it like, atheists believe that there is reason to believe there is no god until evidence appears, but agnostics have little opinion until good evidence appears? If anyone wants to join in, please do, as I am curious.
@Graknorke
@Graknorke 3 года назад
things are usually bad my holy dude, maybe if I was happier I'd have more time for a casual chat
@mark7166
@mark7166 3 года назад
Well, in my memory, we in Canada never had prayer in school, and we've had almost 0 school shootings EVER. So...... yeah. Not sure what God is doing for you.
@marvelous971-j6m
@marvelous971-j6m 3 года назад
Maybe if they pray harder then school shooting will end.
@alexcardosa8079
@alexcardosa8079 3 года назад
Wrong god, see the god of Amerika is a vengeful god aka blood god. It needs to be appease thru sacrifice. Which always amazed me that christians seem to not understand. I guess when your making stuff up and hatting women at the same time makes for dull thinking.
@AimlessSavant
@AimlessSavant 3 года назад
Canadian schools have murdered hundreds of native children over the course of a century so hmmmmmmmmmmmm
@shytendeakatamanoir9740
@shytendeakatamanoir9740 3 года назад
God lives in Canada and His Power don't extend to the far far land of America?
@j.kaimori3848
@j.kaimori3848 3 года назад
@@marvelous971-j6m "Shout louder, maybe your god is sleeping!" - Elijah
@skimmylk
@skimmylk 3 года назад
Your story about your mom really resonated with me and reminded me of my own: When recently reflecting on my time as a believer, I finally realized “the moment” when I stopped believing. My Southern, Christian family had sent me to this summer church camp every year since I was 5, and I loved going. When I was 10 or 11, my great grandfather got very sick while I was at camp. My GG and I were very close, and this was the first time that I was actually aware that a beloved family member was dying. So I did what any good Christian kid would do, and I fervently prayed for him, skipping fun activities with my friends to sit in the Chapel and pray. For weeks, I put his name into the the prayer request box, hoping that if I prayed enough, God would heal him or at least keep him around long enough so that I could say goodbye once camp was over. One night, we had some sort of special ceremony where we were told to scribble our deepest, most sincere prayer on a piece of paper that we then placed in a burning vat of candles so our prayers would be sent directly to God. I still vividly remember sitting on the ground with my friends, praying and watching the candles even after everyone else left. I was convinced that God would hear my prayers. After all, I had done everything “right,” according to what I was taught. Later that same evening, one of the camp counselors found me playing with my friends outside and took me back to our cabin. They had news for me. My great grandfather had just died, and my aunt would pick me up in the morning so I could attend the funeral. The counselor left me alone to pack my things. I was devastated, feeling abandoned and scorned by the God who I had been begging to help for weeks. I remember staring up at the ceiling on my top bunk, hiding from the other kids when they came back from bed. They were happy, talking about what they had prayed for and if it had come true yet. I cried myself to sleep. Despite my family’s persuasion, I never went back to camp nor spoke with any of my friends from there again. Looking back on it, I was definitely traumatized. I never really prayed again after that, and when I had a mini religious revival in high school, I fell out of that phase pretty quickly as the act of praying always felt so uncomfortable like I was talking to a brick wall. It wasn’t until years later when I made the summer camp connection that I understood why praying only felt performative for me. If you’ve read this far, I hope this story can help someone else understand their relationship with faith better. And thanks for a great video!
@JossCard42
@JossCard42 Год назад
I've always liked Picard's line in TNG: "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life."
@FingerLickinEvilToTheBone
@FingerLickinEvilToTheBone 8 месяцев назад
That’s a quote from a united states president i’m pretty sure lol.
@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm
@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm 3 года назад
As a priest in the Church of the Algorithm, I bless this video with a comment.
@hannahfanning9585
@hannahfanning9585 3 года назад
Lol
@moonmann4072
@moonmann4072 3 года назад
Amen 😌
@raven_g6667
@raven_g6667 3 года назад
Praise be to the almighty algorithms
@GameLeaderR
@GameLeaderR 3 года назад
Praise be the all powerful algorithms.
@MegaChickenfish
@MegaChickenfish 3 года назад
Praise our Lady of Perpetual Exemption, amen.
@carlbradley3175
@carlbradley3175 3 года назад
When i was still a Christian, one of the things that haunted me for years was the death of one of my closest friends' mother. I was a dumb kid who believed in God and was convinced that if you 'ask and it shall be given unto you', God will answer. She was in the hospital, and i told my friend that she didn't have to worry, because i was praying for her mam and that meant everything would be okay. You can probably guess what happened that night The guilt over promising that to my friend and our failing ended up pushing me into a depression that lasted years. There were other factors ofc, but i remember everything feeling shitty after that. And then every time my friend expressed any atheist belief, I would blame myself for being so stupid as to promise something like that and make her unable to trust God Im over it now, but damn that guilt was painful
@bigtimebutterbaron8873
@bigtimebutterbaron8873 3 года назад
That's a horrible experience. I just want to point out, you weren't a dumb kid, you were indoctrinated. You were just acting according to how you were taught. I'm glad you realized that and moved past the guilt tho
@carlbradley3175
@carlbradley3175 3 года назад
@@bigtimebutterbaron8873 your comment is much appreciated, but tbh i was a dumb kid whether religion had been there or not lol
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant 3 года назад
Well, well, lets not talk down on Religion, shall we? The 'plot holes' come from 'details made by Humans', after all. Theres plenty of Healthy Theists, all around the Globe. So dont forget this. ...Though i have to say... people like 'Kent Hovind' outright disgust me, to the point of vomitting...
@carlbradley3175
@carlbradley3175 3 года назад
I'll trash talk religion all I want. Does it give some people hope? Sure, I'm happy they're happy But as soon as religion is allowed to gain power in society, its conservative elements (who are, frankly, the most politically motivated people) inevitably take power. I was hurt, and abused by religion, and the response of religious folks to me leaving is to claim that I'm 'immoral' or 'really do believe in God', or am a 'fool'. Religion kills. Religion crushes human freedom. Liberal Christians/Muslims/Jews are only liberal because of the secularised societies we live in; its no surprise that even those strands of religion only became accepting of gay people, for example, after secular civil rights movements. Im sorry but however many 'healthy' religious folk there are, as soon as religion is allowed the place in society it used to have, it will empower the unhealthy ones
@mimszanadunstedt441
@mimszanadunstedt441 3 года назад
@@carlbradley3175 Religion made me 5x stupider not gonna lie
@rcct44444
@rcct44444 3 года назад
I like to imagine if two opposing football teams pray to god he flips a coin to determine who wins lol
@haruhirogrimgar6047
@haruhirogrimgar6047 3 года назад
Funny that in the Bible there was a battle where one side prayed to the Abrahamic god. To the point he assured them unambiguous and total victory. The other side prayed to a local fishing deity named Chemosh (and may or may not have performed a sacrifice depending on the author) and then absolutely *slaughtered* the abrahamic god's forces. Like, massive casualties and had to flee the territory level of casualties. So the lesson from the bible in this instance is: Fishing Deities can beat up Yaweh for lunch money whenever they feel like it.
@rudra62
@rudra62 3 года назад
Ah, but what if there are more better, more righteous, and more faithful Christians on one side, and just lukewarm ones on the other? Yeah, certainly God makes the more righteous win, every time.
@yachishairclips2250
@yachishairclips2250 3 года назад
@@rudra62 In the end of the day... God has confirmation bias towards those who pray harder even how wicked their prayer was
@joshridinger3407
@joshridinger3407 3 года назад
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 kemosh had the home team advantage and yahweh's head wasn't really in the game
@rolloxra670
@rolloxra670 2 года назад
As a kid I used to think, why didn’t they just turn the entire ocean water into holy water?
@dokkus
@dokkus 3 года назад
You should have so many more subs. Religious Trauma Survivors need your message.
@TokumeiCosplay
@TokumeiCosplay Год назад
I prayed, pleaded, begged, fasted, and cried out for "god" to deliver me from my abusive home. I even made the effort to keep myself in church, but nothing happened. I had to stand up, and become my own hero. I got myself out of that situation, without him.
@gabrielfiore8847
@gabrielfiore8847 3 года назад
When I was a child, I was a spiritist. My mom woke up with a huge headache, and wanting for her to feel better, I prayed so her headache would go away. And she did get better. Because while I was praying she got painkillers. I honestly heard a response that day, but even then, I wondered if I imagined a response. Now I know it was my imagination
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant 3 года назад
Well, well, lets not talk down on Religion, shall we? The 'plot holes' come from 'details made by Humans', after all. Theres plenty of Healthy Theists, all around the Globe. So dont forget this. ...Though i have to say... people like 'Kent Hovind' outright disgust me, to the point of vomitting...
@gabrielfiore8847
@gabrielfiore8847 3 года назад
@@loturzelrestaurant I wasn't talkng down on religion, instead, i was simply sharing a story from my childhood. Though i do believe that it causes more harm than good. I agree that there are plenty of healthy theists around the globe. doesn't change the fact that there are plenty more theists that use their religion to be prejudiced, just like Kent Hovind. Anyway, hope the best for you mate.
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant 3 года назад
@@gabrielfiore8847 I see. Well, i never meant to accuse you of being toxic.
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant 3 года назад
@@gabrielfiore8847 Kent Hovind is so bad that he should honestly get reported...
@Knux5577
@Knux5577 2 года назад
@@loturzelrestaurant quit copy /pasting a dumb comment instead of actually reading and responding like an actual person
@cherryknight6911
@cherryknight6911 3 года назад
I love the "stories" that are a result of prayer. I'm not suspicious at all....
@cherryknight6911
@cherryknight6911 3 года назад
@@nothanks6549 I was a Christian for about 28 years. Was even a missionary during that time and even worked in ministry. The only story I got was when I was a missionary in Haiti I taught English at a local village school and needed a translator (for the creole speakers). So I prayed for one and lo'an behold a guy showed up willing to translate for me. I thought it a miracle and an answer to prayer. I look back at that now and totally see it in a different, slightly more cynical light.
@rainbowkrampus
@rainbowkrampus 3 года назад
@@nothanks6549 Your story reminds me of a guy I talked to who swears he could turn the street light outside of his house on just by looking at it. Turns out he was a man of habit and always happened to be at his kitchen window (from which the street light was visible) at dusk and just happened to look at it when it was coming on. Our brains are dumb. Useful. But very dumb.
@tonyhogg9839
@tonyhogg9839 3 года назад
Confirmation bias is strong in religious circles. Remembering the couple of times something really remarkable happens, and not paying attention to the hundreds of times it falls flat. Now that I don't believe I still have those remarkable things happen every great once in awhile. It's just life, not a Christian thing.
@bellezavudd
@bellezavudd 3 года назад
They say faith can move mountains and prayer works. Ive yet to see a single mountain moved or any amputee healed...
@marvelous971-j6m
@marvelous971-j6m 3 года назад
Im still waiting for a chirstain to rise a died person.
@buddhuu1
@buddhuu1 Год назад
They routinely decapitate mountains in coal country. It's highly destructive and polluting. So maybe moving mountains is not always a good thing
@ciri151
@ciri151 Год назад
When you pray: Sometimes things work sometimes they don't. When you don't pray: Sometimes things work sometimes they don't.
@Edible_chalk
@Edible_chalk 9 месяцев назад
When I was being assaulted for days on end, I prayed and prayed and prayed for the end of it. But it never stopped. It happened again when I was older, actually. And then, when I was at the lowest part of my life and was going to take it, I prayed again that if God really wanted me alive, to show me that he was real. Show me anything. Show me that my life had purpose and he wanted me alive. I got nothing. So I figure- either god wants me dead, or he doesn't exist at all
@rowetheboatrtb8697
@rowetheboatrtb8697 3 года назад
“Grace? She died 30 years ago!” Love that whole dinner scene!
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant 3 года назад
A bit random, but i wanted to ask some people: Did you know youtube has a reportbutton? As well as Open Racists, P0rn and Scammer? I mean, why not combine those facts in the most obvious way? Its kinda a not-very-hard Puzzle. ?
@JosieDrake1995
@JosieDrake1995 3 года назад
I struggled with addiction while I was still a believer. I remember fervently praying for relief for years and years. I once asked my Christian based therapist what I should do to address my addiction: she said I should pray about it. My faith was dissolving at that point and that comment was one of the final moments that turned me away for good. I’ve been an atheist for quite a few years now and it’s strange how prayer is still somewhat present. Prayer was an outlet for emotion and pain that I so frequently engaged in. I will find myself occasionally talking to myself in an imitation of prayer. I lack the belief in a higher power but I still have wishful desires that I express in my head. Being raised with these beliefs certainly leave their mark on you Edit: spelling error
@jenniferhiemstra5228
@jenniferhiemstra5228 3 года назад
I realize now the irony of the term, Christian based therapist. My first therapist was one out of a Christian private practice and while I look back and realize I was somewhat lucky because at least she was a real mental health professional who knew what she was talking about and used actual terminology one learns in collegiate study...you know, science. Many who fall into this category don't. The real problem was when this gal started to do what in the "real world" of the mental health profession is absolutely considered unethical...trying to connect with me on various social media sites. I learned some time later that is a HUGE no no of line crossing ethics.
@madisoncannoles4907
@madisoncannoles4907 3 года назад
@@jenniferhiemstra5228 I know it's been a minute since you posted this, but I had to share this, after reading it. I had some surgeries in 2012 that unfortunately, resulted in my dependency on painkillers. In April 2015, I did a 28 day rehab, & out patient treatment for 5 years after. I'm not dragging that treatment ctr., it had different group meetings available, art class, and individual therapy (& tests for accountability). My counselor for the first 2 years was great.... But, she left and was replaced with one from a private Christan university, who basically said that my "problem" was turning away from god. She required me to bring her church programs each week from a church I attended, as well as switch my nonreligious group meetings on Sundays to go to the 'christian women's bible' group on Thursdays. Seriously. Of course, I voiced my opinions about it to the powers that be, and I only had to endure a month of it..... But as you can imagine, I didn't have much confidence in my that counselor's abilities afterwards.
@jenniferhiemstra5228
@jenniferhiemstra5228 3 года назад
@@madisoncannoles4907 WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW….as a Christian, I’m so sorry…that counselor has NO business in the profession because real mental health and addiction professionals understand that addiction is a disease and needs to be treated as such so you and others like you, can get the help they need. But…you have to first perceive it as a disease before you can treat it. There is a line of “ethics” that can’t be crossed and speaking about religious beliefs is another one of them. My best friend is a mental health professional and Christian but has said that unless the patient brings up or asks about religious beliefs, it’s another big ethical no-no. In the end, mental health is just like physical health. It’s a science but it’s still in its infancy in comparison to physical health, there’s still a lot that the profession is learning about it. And I’ll just say it again…I’m so very sorry that you had a counselor who clearly didn’t learn (or doesn’t care) about any of that, being told that you “turned from God” isn’t validating of helpful 💔
@kamilareeder1493
@kamilareeder1493 3 года назад
I feel this, I became a buddhist because they had answers to my questions and the process of zen meditation made me able to cope with the silence of prayer.like in buddhism, they acknowledge God may exist but don't really try to pin him down with a description or through direct contact. If you ask a Buddha about what God it like, they will shrug their shoulders lol. God has always been silent to me ☹☹ 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ I hope you're doing better now :)
@SheepUndefined
@SheepUndefined 3 года назад
Prayer was something I struggled with for almost all my life as a believer, mostly because when it clearly wasn't working, I felt like I was doing it wrong. Thing is, I didn't blame myself for that. I got angry because I felt like I was being set up to fail. I was never told "the right way to pray," only the words. I asked so many people, looked it up, and not only did every. Single. Person. Have a DRASTICALLY different and often nonsensical answer to "how to pray properly," but it often was just rambling nonsense! I've since come to realize how much Christians really love speaking only in irrelevant metaphor to dissuade people from realizing that this stuff doesn't make any sense when you try to think about it through the subject itself, but that was probably the worst case of it for me. At the end of my faith, prayer was something that...I ironically enough, prayed for. That someday I would learn how to do this faith stuff right, and hoped that when I got older, I'd be more religious. It never happened. Just got more nerve-wracking and anxiety-inducing when I tried to pray for anything.
@rainbowkrampus
@rainbowkrampus 3 года назад
I don't recall ever wanting to get something out of praying. I know I wouldn't do it unless asked to and that's probably where I honed my BSing skills. But I do remember not understanding what one was supposed to do while praying and receiving the same kind of contradictory and non-sense answers you mention. "What do I do?" "Talk to god." "About what?" "Anything." "But that could be literally anything. How am I supposed to choose?" "(exasperated noises)" For me, all of this just reinforces the idea that what people are actually getting out of their supernatural beliefs isn't what they typically say they are getting out of it. All of the apologetics are just post hoc rationalizations.
@justcallmekai1554
@justcallmekai1554 3 года назад
@@rainbowkrampus To me if feels like praying is a bit unnecessary. I've been told you cant just pray to get what you want but actively work for it. Nice sentiment, but this leaves a question: "If all I have to do is work for it, what's the point in praying then?" It seems like an unnecessary step. Kinda like a vestigial organ. It's there it's not hurting much but it doesn't do anything either and its kinda just there I guess. So at the end of the day instead of god making it happen, it was YOU. YOU made it happen on YOUR own or the ppl around you who can actively and actually change something. That feels so rewarding.
@rainbowkrampus
@rainbowkrampus 3 года назад
@@justcallmekai1554 Yeah, I consider it one of the more nefarious aspects of christianity. It teaches you to devalue your own effort and give credit to an imaginary dude.
@lucy_kitty_chan447
@lucy_kitty_chan447 3 года назад
As someone who still believes in the Christian God, I always struggled with prayer as well. Since I was little, I was never just still and I always played with my hands and opened my eyes slightly only to close them again and feeling ashamed for opening them. Till this day, I haven't been able to pray regularly due to the fact that I almost always feel like crap for praying
@rainbowkrampus
@rainbowkrampus 3 года назад
@@lucy_kitty_chan447 It sounds like you might be experiencing some anxiety in association with praying. Even when people deconvert, their experiences and anxieties and trauma still follow them around. This sort of thing doesn't just go away on its own typically. Fortunately, it can go away with effort. We have things like therapy and even anti-anxiety medications which can help us come to terms with our negative thoughts and/or feelings and then find strategies to move beyond them so they no longer affect us as strongly or even at all. I've seen a lot of people over the years treat these sorts of issues dismissively or (imo) worse, try to pray them away. I've never seen positive results from this. I've seen many positive outcomes when people decide they want to take control over their negative emotions for themselves and seek help from a licensed therapist to do so. I'd recommend as a first step looking more into the experiences of people with religious trauma. You might find some stories or feelings which resonate with you. Here's an article where several people recount their experiences. newrepublic.com/article/161772/can-religion-give-ptsd
@catsrule256
@catsrule256 2 года назад
Love how god answers small daily things but not when all the people died of starvation in history praying for food
@angryfruit4994
@angryfruit4994 3 года назад
Sometimes I come and rewatch these videos because they’re soothing to me. I have a lot of trauma that came from trying to believe in a religion that didn’t make sense to me. A lot of trauma from praying and never seeming to get an answer. These videos have become therapeutic for me, and I hope everyone who’s struggled in their transition from believer to nonbeliever can find these videos.
@amandafey
@amandafey 2 года назад
I love watching deconversion videos, too, from time to time. Very soothing and cathartic. I have a very significant amount of religious trauma, as well as religious abuse, which I don't think I'll ever get over.... and maybe I don't want to, because then that means that what happened was okay. Which it WASN'T.
@CrystalMouse1
@CrystalMouse1 3 года назад
Prayer did not stop my parents abuse. No loving father would watch their child being hurt and do nothing. Yet they say the Hebrew God is a loving father 🙄
@karlazeen
@karlazeen 3 года назад
"oh but he wants to test you so you can find him on your own" bullshit
@CrystalMouse1
@CrystalMouse1 3 года назад
@@karlazeen exactly. Actually I was told 'God was looking down on you and cried during the suffering' 😕 that's not a comfort that some old geezer god watched me in my torment and did nothing
@officaldaelight
@officaldaelight 3 года назад
i saw god as "my perfect father figure" in place of my emotionally abusive dad. perfect father figure didn't give child support 😭
@karlazeen
@karlazeen 3 года назад
@@CrystalMouse1 If that old geezer didn't have the power to save anyone but wanted to then I would be more convinced and actually have sympathy and respect towards him.
@CrystalMouse1
@CrystalMouse1 3 года назад
@@officaldaelight I'm so sorry 😔 I did this as well when I was in pain. I honestly don't think that's wrong because it helps one survive 🤷🏻
@adyrebecca9001
@adyrebecca9001 3 года назад
Oh, victim blaming when prayers aren't answered! Sure love that. You said everything on my mind in this video so thanks haha ^^ I love your video editing style and all the cool movie and show clips 💕
@marvelous971-j6m
@marvelous971-j6m 3 года назад
Maybe there is no god. :) [of the bible]
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant 3 года назад
Well, well, lets not talk down on Religion, shall we? The 'plot holes' come from 'details made by Humans', after all. Theres plenty of Healthy Theists, all around the Globe. So dont forget this. ...Though i have to say... people like 'Kent Hovind' outright disgust me, to the point of vomitting...
@coopergates9680
@coopergates9680 2 года назад
@@loturzelrestaurant The healthy theists don't subscribe to or believe in the parts of religion worth talking down on. Surely you recognize the atrocities in the Abrahamic faiths if you're honest.
@klinkskii
@klinkskii 3 года назад
I was stuck in a situation years ago where I prayed for MONTHS asking for God to help me get rid of my constant suicidal thoughts. Only because that's all my catholic school told me to do when I asked them for help; "Just pray it away." Been faithful for all of my life at that point, literally crying and screaming for the simplest relief of pain. I thought if what's is God's path is supposed to happen cause he knows what's best and having no sign or anything, I did attempt. The simplest request after having faith for so long only to get a "lol no" led me to question everything for once and I'm glad you share your experiences and more info on the church because it's giving more peace than k-12 catholic school ever did.
@paulczubryt8644
@paulczubryt8644 3 года назад
I was a Christian about 5 years ago. I was almost finished nursing school when my marriage fell apart. I prayed and prayed for God to renew my marriage, but eventually we separated and then divorced. I heard a lot of these excuses why prayer didn't work, but there's another one to add to the list - you made your marriage into an idol, so God had to take it away. That one was not only ridiculous, but really hurtful, and it puts God in a really bad light. Over the next couple years I felt like my faith didn't make sense anymore, and now I'm an atheist - my divorce was part of the reason. I felt like I was being screwed over. On top of that, as a Christian I was supposed to give God all the credit for my success in school. When I lost my faith, I gained the realization that I'm the one who made it possible to become a nurse. THAT is far more empowering.
@tulip811
@tulip811 5 месяцев назад
You just didn't understand God told you to leave that man....
@paulczubryt8644
@paulczubryt8644 5 месяцев назад
@@tulip811 I'm a man, my wife left. That kind of goes against what God says about marriage.
@The_Gentleman_Blacksmith
@The_Gentleman_Blacksmith 3 года назад
"We prayed over the football field and no one got injured." Meanwhile god is giving kids cancer and letting his guys touch their altar boys. Gotta keep those football players safe though.
@JohanKylander
@JohanKylander 3 года назад
But theys werent thuh reaal cristchians! theys was pagan satanists cathalics!!! The only real christians go to my local baptist church.
@coal1818
@coal1818 3 года назад
@@JohanKylander "And thus the Lord said: "only true Christians go to this one small weird smelling rural church in southern Ohio"
@CrimsionVision
@CrimsionVision 3 года назад
"This is reminding me of that gun episode of Bojack". *Uses a Clip from said episode* "Am I a god?"
@theyoutubeanalyst3731
@theyoutubeanalyst3731 3 года назад
maybe you are!
@aaronfoster5680
@aaronfoster5680 3 года назад
"He better have that line show up in this video." *it does* "As you should."
@chinclucker
@chinclucker 3 года назад
I don't know man, you gonna answer our prayers?
@hope-cat4894
@hope-cat4894 3 года назад
I find praying is a good outlet for your feelings like writing in a journal (prayer journals are a thing too), doing audio journals, or doing meditation. I don't do it often except in times of great fear, and it eases my nerves a bit. It was never a habit instilled in me as a child though, despite having a religious family. It's horrible to blame someone for not praying hard enough. That's not guilt anyone needs on their mind.
@minetruly
@minetruly 3 года назад
That's a really healthy way to pray.
@Mothajay
@Mothajay 3 года назад
Kinda find it interesting(although it wasn’t a mass shooting) that one of the worst school massacres in the US happened before prayer was taken out of public school back in the 1920’s
@mimszanadunstedt441
@mimszanadunstedt441 3 года назад
Belief you're going to heaven actually increases the crime rate. Also it oppresses from pushing conformity when people pray out loud if others refuse to join in creating opportunity to bully or ostracize or such.
@ajr4698
@ajr4698 3 года назад
I'm sure my dad told me his father lost his faith in WW2. He had prayed for the bombs to stop and yet they still came. The amount of suffering he saw turned him away forever.
@hollyhartwick3832
@hollyhartwick3832 3 года назад
The weirdest prayer story I ever heard was an anecdote I was told by someone in church when I was about 12 or 13. He told me a pastor of a struggling church asked god to remove the obstacles that were holding the church back. That same week, the pastor died and the church subsequently flourished. Morbid lesson in “be careful what you wish for” I guess.
@martin2289
@martin2289 Год назад
Sounds like a Twilight Zone episode.
@hollyhartwick3832
@hollyhartwick3832 Год назад
@@martin2289 - If it's not, maybe it should be. 🤣
@PatrickWDunne
@PatrickWDunne Год назад
I see prayer as a compassionate gesture, but praying for someone calls into question several things: 1. If God can help a victim, couldn't he prevent the crime to begin with? 2. If God is all-knowing, why does he need us to beg to him before he decides to help? 3. How much prayer do we need until God solves the world's problems?
@antonjimmy5636
@antonjimmy5636 3 года назад
The three replies to Prayer: Yes No Not yet So basically just confirmation bias?
@melissamarsh2219
@melissamarsh2219 3 года назад
God is an 8 Ball?
@hope-cat4894
@hope-cat4894 3 года назад
@@melissamarsh2219 To be fair, my Magic 8-Ball answers have been extremely accurate, so you might be on to something. 🤔
@rainbowkrampus
@rainbowkrampus 3 года назад
@@hope-cat4894 I hope some far flung archaeologist unearths a magic 8 ball one day and notes it as a 'ritual object'.
@marvelous971-j6m
@marvelous971-j6m 3 года назад
Or maybe god of the bible isnt real.
@crio8015
@crio8015 3 года назад
Basically yes but its on steroids. Imagine applying confirmation bias on EVERY OUTCOME POSSIBLE. It's genius, in a horrible way, which is why I think it's very hard for religious people to be convinced that prayer doesn't work. Prayer is unfalsifiable.
@deanb4799
@deanb4799 2 года назад
I had surgery earlier this year. My last statement before I went under was "Doctor. I trust you, your knowledge, your experience and your skill." It never crossed my mind to pray.
@smalls9852
@smalls9852 11 месяцев назад
This episode really hits home. My husband and I have struggled with infertility for years. I used to believe that it was God's will and that he was punishing us for some unknown or insane reason. But I started to realize that it just was not true. There are plenty of people I know who have horrible parents. Some who have been very abusive and left deep scars in people I care about. It made me realize that if there was a God, why would he allow that to happen. I am not saying my husband and I are perfect, but I truly do not believe we would ever be so cruel to our children. It just makes no sense. And prayer did nothing. Or I should say, the only thing it ever did was make us feel worse. Like we were not worthy. Side note, it makes me angry when people try to justify things like school shootings. As if it is God's will. This is not a God I want anything to do with.
@aspenirving
@aspenirving 3 года назад
As someone deconstructing right now, this made me tear up. Thanks for putting out this content, it really helps
@jennmorton3155
@jennmorton3155 3 года назад
God: "Now that you've all prayed enough, I'll stop all the school shootings." *Turns all the guns in America into Bibles* Americans: "Noooooooooo!"
@karlazeen
@karlazeen 3 года назад
Lmao at least that's an actual improvement
@melopuss375
@melopuss375 3 года назад
@@karlazeen worst comes to worst, the killing sprees will have to be conducted via blunt biblical force. which is far more entertaining and slightly more destructive than guns.
@ahorseofcourse7283
@ahorseofcourse7283 3 года назад
I'd rather keep the guns; the fucking Bible's killed far more people and caused more widespread damage.
@JohanKylander
@JohanKylander 3 года назад
@@melopuss375 Mozgus would be proud.
@karlazeen
@karlazeen 3 года назад
@@ahorseofcourse7283 How about nothing at all
@ricardoaguirre6126
@ricardoaguirre6126 3 года назад
True story, when I was around 14 my cousin's dog had puppies but one was sick. Being an animal lover I prayed for it to be healed. It died the next day. That was the last time I asked God for anything. 🤬
@colonelweird
@colonelweird 3 года назад
You know what's weird, I'm a Christian (not an evangelical), but this is video is really great. Far better to be an atheist than to torture yourself with the garbage these TV preachers spew.
@michaelanderson7715
@michaelanderson7715 3 года назад
Or be atheist as there's no evidence for your mythology.
@asmodiusjones9563
@asmodiusjones9563 3 года назад
I am a Christian and grew up in the church, but every single one of these videos is completely astounding to me because they reveal beliefs and social structures that are totally foreign to me. I always considered myself an evangelical, until 2016. But I listen to the sermon excerpts in these videos and they’re totally insane. My faith hasn’t changed because it isn’t the type of thing that could be lost, but I’m still left to wonder if I was ever really a Christian in the first place.
@michaelanderson7715
@michaelanderson7715 3 года назад
@@asmodiusjones9563 Delusion.
@asmodiusjones9563
@asmodiusjones9563 3 года назад
@@michaelanderson7715 yeah yeah yeah. Don’t worry, Atheists are so often smug, condescending, and morally aggrandizing, that your comment doesn’t bother me. But aside from that, do you have any idea how many “delusions” our society operates on? Money is a delusion. War is a delusion. The idea that all ethnic groups have value and should not be exploited for the sake of more powerful groups is a delusion. You’ve got to be able to navigate delusions if your life is going to have any purpose.
@michaelanderson7715
@michaelanderson7715 3 года назад
@@asmodiusjones9563 False equivalence is a delusion.
@JakeRanney
@JakeRanney 3 года назад
"They have the right to pray, I don't think there's anything more important than that." I would argue that the right *not* to pray is up there too.
@samuelrushing5857
@samuelrushing5857 2 года назад
Prayer was one of the first cracks in my shelf. Somewhere deep inside I realized that I couldn't believe in a God that knew what was best for me, loved me, but wouldn't do it unless I asked in the right way, with the right motivations, at the right time, fervently enough. I wasn't mad at God, I just didn't see the point in my own muddled confused ideas getting in the way of his perfect plan for me.
@sleepyhead8681
@sleepyhead8681 3 года назад
This channel is so underrated. Rare the algorithm gives me stuff leving me wanting more. :)
@nicklasveva
@nicklasveva 3 года назад
I talked to a Jehova's witness that actually told me that prayers don't even work, and that god doesn't respond to your prayers, because satan is in control of this world right now, and he doesn't want to interfere with satan's world. But this literally means that god handed over the earth to satan just to prove a point. So many people's suffering could've been avoided if god didn't a have an superiority complex. He is literally the most powerful being and needs validation from one of his angels. It's as if Jeff Bezos lent his position to a warehouse worker and let him run the company into the ground just to prove that the warehouse worker couldn't handle the responsibility of being a CEO. That's just pathetic.
@sustainablelife1st
@sustainablelife1st 2 года назад
Yes, humans are just collateral damage in the fatal attraction of an insecure male god and the male hottie who rejected his love.
@zorlord7507
@zorlord7507 3 года назад
I've been questioning god sense I was young. I remember sitting in a car while mom was driving home, they would say that God is all knowing and all that good stuff, so my 7 year old self thought he must be able to read minds sense he knows everything. So I looked up into the sky and said in my head "God, if your real, give me a sign." Nothing happened. Boy did I feel disappointed
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant 3 года назад
Related but not blood-related Topic (if you allow me): Not enough people use the reportbutton of youtube. Maybe because 'Cancel-Culture' scared them so much that they know (wrongly) think that Abuse of the System 'existing' means they 'cant cannot' abuse the System themselves... which is of course dumb... So yeah: I wished more people would do as originally intended: Help RU-vid. Finding obvious Racists, Open Sexism, Scammer or spam-Bots, is actually fairly easy, tbh. ...Why not give it a Try? A Try to help out?
@AndroidHarris
@AndroidHarris Год назад
Your not supposed to question GOD. That's what my dad told me. Hes too big to question. You gotta be a god fearing servant. I dont know how I'm supposed to fear a supposedly all loving god.
@laceyw476
@laceyw476 3 года назад
Over the last year or so, I've started to lose my faith and it all started with prayer after prayer not getting answered. My aunt passing away after praying for her healing, being unemployed for 6 months and praying before each interview and then being passed over for the job, (The job that ended my unemployment came from the 1 interview I didn't pray before going to) praying for help with bills while unemployed and instead incurring late fees and overdraft fees, and many other unanswered things. But it's crazy just how ingrained and almost ritualistic prayer has been in my life. After all those unanswered prayers I'm almost scared to pray for anything. It's always been normal to pray for someone I care about to be safe when going on a trip, but now I'm afraid to. But it feels so strange not to, so I totally understand when Trevor said he didn't want to lose prayer. I'm in the process of deconstructing my faith and so far, prayer and dealing with grief are 2 things I'm still feeling lost on; but videos like this help a lot. So thank you, and keep it up!
@thebelen2359
@thebelen2359 3 года назад
I remember in my elementary school they had a moment of silence every morning for those who wanted to pray, but nobody was forced to (and in fact most didn't). And no one ever got bullied for praying or not praying. Nobody really cared wether you did or didn't. I think that was good. That way everyone could do or not do what they did or didn't believe in.
@MeganMae
@MeganMae 3 года назад
Judge Judy hit me so hard 😂😂 absolutely perfect *chefs kiss*
@WaffleBlink
@WaffleBlink 3 года назад
Do you think Abel was praying to God that he would come and save him from his brother murdering him? He made all the right sacrifices and was in his favor, but for that one moment he "wasn't praying right" and God had " no obligation" to help him?
@j.kaimori3848
@j.kaimori3848 3 года назад
As much as I think your comment is sarcastic, I don't think the Bible had invented prayer yet at that point, which is itself a cynical view. I think prayer got added because people liked it.
@monus782
@monus782 3 года назад
At least according to the Catholic theology I was used that kind of death gives glory to God and that’s why we were supposed to look up, even emulate, the martyrs we heard about from Roman times.
@j.kaimori3848
@j.kaimori3848 3 года назад
@@monus782 oh boy the martyrdom stuff. I think they made suicide a sin because otherwise they had convinced people not to live.
@monus782
@monus782 3 года назад
@@j.kaimori3848 which makes sense, I was made to believe martyrdom is a straight ticket to heaven and that meant I wouldn’t have to spend thousands of years in purgatory as I thought would happen to me best case scenario. Because of the whole persecution complex American Christianity is known for I was made to expect this scenario.
@daisyd8790
@daisyd8790 3 года назад
Back when I was a kid growing up with Religion, I could pray till my mind went numb. I don't recall any of my silly kid prayers being answered. Not once. None of it made any sense and 50 years later, it still doesn't. I love my Freedom from Religion.
@LindsayNoel101
@LindsayNoel101 3 года назад
My favorite messed up thing I was taught in church was that you should pray for God's will to be down. That was such a simple way to trap people into never realizing that their prayers werent answered
@sustainablelife1st
@sustainablelife1st 2 года назад
Yes, instead of Amen, prayers should be concluded with, "oh, never mind".
@Aziara86
@Aziara86 2 года назад
I was that abused child. I prayed every single day for god to make me 'more obedient' so I would stop being beat. Or for my parents to be more merciful. Neither ever happened. I just got too big to legally smack around (my last 'spanking' was at 17. I highly suspect it only stopped because it would have become assault at 18)
@GoofyAhhBoxy
@GoofyAhhBoxy 4 месяца назад
Hope you’re ok now. That’s a hard thing to go through
@carolincas
@carolincas 3 года назад
i fucking adore this show. thank you thank you thank you. i love not feeling alone. it means so much to hear another nonbeliever talk about the struggle. me personally? prayer is like medication. if i dont make regular use of it, i dont do well. i know im talking to my own brain, and that doesnt bother me a bit. i have a mental health practice that serves me well and provides me with the ritual i crave. im grateful for that. i miss believing in god, but i dont miss the greatest heartbreak of my life- that god either allows evil for reasons that dont matter, or gets off on it. i'll never go back to being a slave to that mutherfucker. im happy now, because im free.
@stevensiferd7104
@stevensiferd7104 3 года назад
The story at 7:33 reminds me of a story I heard at church about 45 years. A man at our church asked another man if he could borrow his car for a job interview. Man #2 loaned Man#1 the car. As he was driving to his destination, Man #1 prayed for a sign whether this job was right for him. Within about five minutes the car ran out of oil and the engine seized. Everybody at church (except Man #2) thought this was very funny.
@dingdongism
@dingdongism 3 года назад
If you think about it from the perspective of a non-believer, prayer is just thinking intensely and intentionally about something. Usually about things like the circumstances in your life, the people you love, that sort of thing. Maybe that's why people like the video creator liked doing it so much when they were believers. I personally think it's one of those wonderful things that can carry over once you've lost your faith. I don't do this, but I could even imagine it being a regular daily routine, something like quiet meditation or "me time." Those are just my rambling thoughts that I've had for a while about the role of prayer in the non-supernatural realm. Loved this video, so happy to see when you drop a new one.
@jospinner1183
@jospinner1183 3 года назад
You bring up a good point. Prayer has been shown to have some of the same benefits of meditation in it's ability to improve mood or foster relaxation. It's not any more effective than meditation, and may be less so depending on the practitioner, but there is a psychological effect. It doesn't matter, of course, whether you pray to the Christian God or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
@monus782
@monus782 3 года назад
I guess this is the “God shaped hole” people mention often, I prayed even if I didn’t need anything in particular (in part because my church said I had to do it as often as possible, that’s why you have monks) and after I left I felt that the need to do this didn’t go away entirely. I’m technically not an atheist (more of a deist if anything) but I don’t assume there’s anyone out there listening even if there’s a god but I guess I do it for myself, even as a Christian I was taught the whole point was that it wold change me, not God, so I also try to do meditation and what the Quakers call “silent worship” which is just being silent and listen to your soul or the surroundings.
@Dan_C604
@Dan_C604 3 года назад
Great video, just subscribed. This is similar to that “praying to a jug of milk” video I watched time ago. Same results. When I was a believer I was never very good a praying. I usually got bored and quickly distracted. I’m a happy atheist 😊
@nutmegsmama
@nutmegsmama 3 года назад
I haven’t finished the video yet but it was years of years of unanswered prayer that I was like hm… I think I’m just talking to myself…
@call_Arapy
@call_Arapy 2 года назад
Watching this video, i now realize that i never was a full time believer. I always felt so disconnected and away from faith. The only times i consistently prayed were in meals, Sunday and for special people. My parents weren't different either. They prayed even less than i did.
@kingoftropes922
@kingoftropes922 3 года назад
Listen I'm not saying you're entitled to everything you want from someone because you support and love them, but when you more or less do everything they ask of you to the letter, and then when you ask something of them you can't even be sure if they're even listening, let alone actually be willing to do it, and getting blamed for THEM not anteing up on their end of the relationship because of some manipulative self-doubting judgmental excuse, it kinda seems like you're being used to fuel someone's massive ego. Like you're "friends" with someone who constantly cheats of your schoolwork and borrows money from you, but when you ask for the money you're owed or for a ride in their car they hit you with a "I got you next time".
@Callimo
@Callimo 3 года назад
Ah, so god is that "friend" who takes and takes and takes but never gives? I understand now!
@n.h.moreno
@n.h.moreno 3 года назад
I really like your guys' videos. They are well-edited and put together. I had a heated argument about prayer after reading Hitchens' book, "God is Not Great". I told my wife, "If prayer work---how can you justify prayer if it did not save your stepdad from Covid?" It just always seems strange that both sports teams pray before and game and invariably----one team loses. Bizarre how that doesn't work.
@graey24601
@graey24601 Год назад
I only ever prayed once: for God to stop existing, it seems to have worked.
@Steve-yn3cs
@Steve-yn3cs 2 года назад
This was something I struggled with when I was Christian. I'm just realizing how fucking Toxic it is. It's that popular trope "Loudly acknowledge the hits, ignore the misses."
@amandafey
@amandafey 2 года назад
With a less than 1% "success" rate, it's a little hard to ignore the misses.
@Steve-yn3cs
@Steve-yn3cs 2 года назад
@@amandafey You're right, but that's the thing. Christians try hard and succeed at it. They're good at it.
@amandafey
@amandafey 2 года назад
@@Steve-yn3cs They're good at deluding themselves, you mean 👍
@Steve-yn3cs
@Steve-yn3cs 2 года назад
@@amandafey Yes. But what do you think is causing this? Cowardice? Intellectual deficiency? Indifference to reality? I'm confused. I get the state they're in, because I was like that. But it's baffling.
@amandafey
@amandafey 2 года назад
@@Steve-yn3cs Intellectual deficiency. I've found that MOST people completely lack the capability to think for themselves. Many do not want to. And many, many Christians have actually led really quite coddled, sheltered, privileged lives, so they really DON'T ever have a need to question anything. Most people are cowards and are weak, too.
@balistikscaarz1959
@balistikscaarz1959 2 года назад
I remember I was having a lot of trouble with my Spanish quiz once so just for fun I prayed to Satan instead. I got a damn 98%. I'd be lying if I said that one didn't scare me a little. Like "Ffs did I just sell my soul for an A?"
@leratosharonmphahlele8006
@leratosharonmphahlele8006 3 года назад
That Francis Chan sermon caused me so much anxiety for a long time because I was terrified that I wasn't saved because God doesn't answer my prayers. I think about it often
@traviswolfe8308
@traviswolfe8308 3 года назад
I have lost my faith in religion as I’ve continued to live with many medical issues and surgeries. Most were done when I was an infant and a kid but whenever my grandmother tells me that many prayers were said for me during those times I slowly lost belief that God was why I was alive. Nah, it wasn’t God, it was thanks to my surgeons and the many nurses around.
@ElrealMariopwns
@ElrealMariopwns 3 года назад
I would be absolutely livid if my mom or dad was in hospice and some strangers told me to leave the room because I didn’t have enough faith, who tf are they lol
@liamstrautenberg1634
@liamstrautenberg1634 3 года назад
Great video as usual, just gotta say I really appreciate the Judge Judy gif during the sermon clips 👌
@k.r.8157
@k.r.8157 3 года назад
The thing about praying (well to me) it was quite similar to therapy but without someone being able to talk back. I can see why my mom is such a believer as she sees god as someone she can tell everything to with no judgment and finally release her issues on. that great feeling of being heard by someone really does a lot.
@G_Demolished
@G_Demolished 3 года назад
When politicians ask for donations, send them thoughts and prayers.
@andrewcash7156
@andrewcash7156 3 года назад
"Prayer works, also god has a perfect plan and everything happens according to god's plan." Then why pray? Either he's already doing what you want cause that's the plan or he's not doing it cause it's not the plan. Best case it's a waste of time. Worst case you change a perfect plan to an imperfect one.
@monus782
@monus782 3 года назад
At least according to the Catholic theology I was used the whole point is so that God can hear us begging for it, if you made it to heaven you’d be singing praises and kiss his butt for eternity so I guess praying, even if you don’t need anything as I was told to do, is just training for that.
@andrewcash7156
@andrewcash7156 3 года назад
@@monus782 it's almost like they don't think about these things before they say them.
@justsam7919
@justsam7919 2 года назад
When I was in grade 6 I prayed for God to save my 7 year old brother dying from meningitis, but that was not his will. In grade 7 I prayed for a laptop to play runescape on and got one for my 13th birthday. Who am I to question the will of the lord?
@justsam7919
@justsam7919 2 года назад
If anyone else ends up seeing this I'm not trying to be edgy or anything, I do mean it in a humorous way of course. Really, bad things happen to everybody and anyone could die at any given time. This really was my breaking point though, seeing a pastor pray over my dying brother and seeing the hopelessness in that man's face is what made my other brother and I change our perspective on religion.
@justinwatson1510
@justinwatson1510 3 года назад
You’re my favorite preacher.
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