The Community Is Beginning To Turn On Tekken 8 

Not even NRS banned modders, feels like all that praise that we gave Namco is about to be shoved right back in our faces.

The cracks are starting to form. The honeymoon phase is over and the game’s flaws are starting to become more apparent, which can be said about any new game that comes out. Overall I think Tekken 8 is good despite its issues, but I can see how certain mechanics in the game and how Bandai Namco is handling some things so far are turning people off.

I believe it’s because there was a modder that had Jun’s original outfit before the tekken shop dropped. So I think Namco sees modding as way of people getting stuff for free from the tekken shop. Kinda scummy of them tbh.

Haradas logic for Tekken 8 makes no sense . He claimed they wanted agression because of players timing out in evo . Then he turns around and says he doesn’t make the game for the pros , he makes it for the casuals. But he made the whole aggressive push after watching the pros! 😂😂 make it make sense man.

Cheaters who do things like putting on auto block, lag switching or slowing the game down via other methods, they should be banned. Pluggers should just lose their points, and the points should go to their opponents who were plugged on. Let's keep it simple.

Im not even shocked by any of this tbf. If you recall, a few years ago Murray made that stupid "JUST BLOCK THE HELLSWEEP" tweet when they gave them more tracking for a week. After we knew he would have a bigger role in Tekken 8s development, it became clear what his idea of Tekken should be. JUST GUESS RIGHT LOL.

Tekken honeymoon fell when peak mk1 frustration was going on. Now the honeymoon phase is over and the frustrations are across all games. Fighting games as a whole needs to do better

Yooo I played u literally earlier on, I was the red ranger Yoshi🤣 I fw your vids heavy

I love the game itself but holy crap the higher ups are insufferable. How to fix all of this: -Give pluggers a loss -put in a competent anticheat -allow mods

It's always like this, corporations don't act on hype. Oh Tekken 8 is booming? Let's make the wrong moves. Like what the fuck, SURELY they have people around them that have a "link" in to the community? Finally we got casuals going hard in Tekken, they are going to lose them if they don't act soon. Like you said in other videos, some of these casuals will be a part of the FGC, let's not lose them... C'mon Bamco...

The bug you showed at the end that only happens in practice mode when the characters are reset in a particular way

This was my biggest fear when I saw the initial T8 gameplay presentation. That heat was going to become the be-all, end-all mechanic the way VT comebacks plagued SFV. I'm kind of tired of the hyperaggressive design most fgs have nowadays in general. I work 40-50 hours a week. I'm not excited to come home after a 9 hour shift to deal with unga bunga +5 mix-ups that kill me when I don't guess right on a forced 50/50.

*They* did to Tekken what Arc System Works did to Guilty Gear with Strive: Made a game *heavily* focused on people that are afraid of traditional fighting games. *Arcsys quote* - "We want less experienced players to feel the thrill of victory that veteran players have been enjoying for so long. Our new direction allows players to see results without any need of the train mode. High damage and big momentum swings will be used to achieve this". Source: Arc System Works Guilty Gear Strive Developer's backyard blog #4 Wild momentum swings (like the blue shell in Mario Kart) is the current popular fighting game design choice along with restricted movement (Strive's air-dashing and shorter stages horizontally) and the simplifying of techniques (air blocking in Strive doesn't require tension meter anymore). I'm so glad the new Under-Night is still intact.

Im having fun, just reached Orange, first Tekken game in years, came from street fighter 6 which is also fun. It may have its flaws but a fighter naturally has adjusments over time, some stuff is more annoying than others (heat moves for example) but I believe that developers need time to discover HOW people PLAY the game, and come up with exploits or advantages by - you know- playing the game, then apply fixes and such, just try to enjoy, we all get salty, just dont make the game be all about the bad times

The fgc and gaming community in general are too fickle. One moment they love something and the next its cool to hate that same thing, its all short attention spans and bandwagon jumpers. Its gotta be tough being a developer.

1. No heat = No Chip damage 2. No free heat bars, You need to build it by landing attacks. + option to keep it for next round. 3. No full launch heat dashes. 4. No homing throws. 5. Rage arts should be -20 6. All Low heat smash should be launch punishable.

Doesn't matter how a character is designed if every general mechanic is skewed towards hyper aggression.

Me still labbing in T7 coz I'm poor 😂

We haven't even gotten our first balance patch so I'm not tripping.

Heat definitely needs to be adjusted. The raw heat activation attack is a power crush, plus on block/hit, freezes screen, and on top of that you can’t even step them. It’s pretty much the same for the heat burst or whatever it’s called. Most of the rounds come down to who can abuse or manage heat better, & that’s not Tekken IMO.

Same thing happened with tk7," oh no,they nerfed the movement,moves have bigger hitboxs,rage drives are broken,tekken is 2d now,tekken is dead, delete akuma,power crushes sucks, every move ch launches and tracks now" give it time,people will adapt and bamco will change the game

Such is the fate of every fighting game.

Punk using SF5 as an example of different playstyles is the definition of irony 😂

i'm so glad that Knee spoke about Steve's new terrible stance problems. cause everybody's been talking about his look, & voice but not bringing up how awful that stance was implemented.

even tho it´s somewhat justified it´s also factual that the Tekken community is notorious for being whiny af...tekken fans always gotta cry about something (I love Tekken, but Tekken fans are obnoxius) just look at how they viewed T7 early on calling it the greatest Tekken has ever been only to later on acting like it´s trash and worse than Tag2

fighting games in general seem to be moving to a type of defense that is human incompatible in an attempt to create more random outcomes. whether it be deejay drive rush and drive impact, guilty gears 2 frame throw break window etc., or tekkens inescapable stance mix ups/heat stuff all of these things are for the most part an unavoidable mechanic in the game but honestly all this stuff loses to the same thing. which is raw reaction speed its no longer about labbing where to step or duck or whatever its about training your brain and overdosing on caffeine to see the low full combo sweep in slow motion and react to it. and as a human youre just not going to have pure reactions like that 24/7 lmao

The prices are getting higher... the content package usually doesn't get bigger than in the games from the PS2 or PS3 gens, which were made in tighter schedule and with limited technology and much limited memory capacity... The initial rosters usually are not bigger than in those past gens... There are very early dlc releases, which of course didn't exist in the game back then... And most dlc packs exploit the nostalgia of veterans, because the company knows they aren't able to sell their new ideas very well so the dlc is 80-90% popular veterans and 10-20% newcomer generally. Most fgs reached a creativity crisis point where it's been harder to make new chars who are as solid as the best veterans, so saving important veterans for dlc is vital for their strategy of exploiting the old fans and maximizing profits like crazy. In the old times there was a streak of creative brilliance in the industry and the devs were making a lot of good new chars back to back, but nowadays it's been many more "miss" than "hit". So the long term dlc plans is a strategy that strictly depends on exploiting the nostalgia behind those old ideas (chars), because they are not competent to make like a dlc pack of only newcomers that feel appealing. No fg company does that and ever will. And these horribly predatory practices are the meta of fg making, everyone does that. The companies just slowly warmed up their community slowly untill they become extra receptive to accept these things, that only get worse in literally every sequel in every game. The greed only gets worse, and is actually turning fgs into a much more expensive genre, because you might skip cosmetics but you will need to pay for the waves of dlc chars for years to get the full roster, which is important for the fg experience... It's raising the total spendings on fgs higher than in the times they released full priced updates... And still that's even defended. The fanboys of all communities act like these franchises are on the brink of bankruptcy if they don't have very early dlc char releases, if there's no micro transactions, if SF doesn't charge $100 for a pack of costumes for a small roster game, etc.

For the first few weeks, I loved Tekken 8. Now I'm kinda bored from it and the game overall feels soulless. Modern fighting games are just missing something.

Heat, gameplay to agressive, defense feels pointless, mtx, banning mods...crazy how it started with sf6 mk1 and now t8

What do y’all want, a C-C-C-C-Combo Breaker!?

I’ve been saying all of this since day ONE . Its so refreshing to finally see the community realize t8’s issues. I love this game franchise DEARLY and would hate to see it go to waste , hopefully this’ll get sorted out but in the meantime I had to put this game down for my own sanity

I think the heat smash move should require a certain amount of heat to activate, not allowing people to throw it out when it's almost depleted.

My main thing that really annoys me is that there is wayyy too much tracking on everything. Sidestep got such an upgrade but you never notice it. Example, Claudio was unique because he had amazing tracking mid in b1. But now everyone has a b1 and many which overshadow Claudio's. Oh yeah, buff Claudio.

I agree with all this heavily. I come from the sf6 side of things and we just got a new character recently (Ed) and he’s so fun and interesting but he’s not viable because he’s not able to play the no brain offense game like all the best characters can.

As a bear main, the matchup vs everyone is exclusively to get heat off ASAP so you actually get some safe options in ewgf and faster roll, once you're in you can win the round in two interactions just like everyone else. Heat makes the Identity of a character who's whole schpiel is to slowly chip with goofy moves and condition your enemy into making a mistake with your varied but unsafe moveset; into using nothing but your best options and closing out rounds as fast as possible because the entire cast can rush you down with their vastly superior options at all times. All it takes to beat a bear is using an armour move when they poke with something unsafe trying to catch you and win the 50/50 when you run in after the fact. I cant bare it anymore (continues to bear it)

The biggest problem with Heat is too many options are safe. The fact you can block a heat smash and it's still not your turn is dumb. They don't know how meters and supers are suppose to work in fighting games. I hope they look at 2D games to balance heat appropriately.

Removing Chip damage outside of heat is a great idea. I enjoyed Tekken because it felt like such a good balance between defense and offense play. I only began in T7 so I’m sure previous titles were even more so. The game just feels like attack, heat burst, heat smash. Even when having good defensive play you are still eating damage and only take one move with chip removal properties and it is all gone.

Abysmal Online, Basic items that should have been there day 1 being Paywalled, Not doing anything about Cheaters and Banning PC modding. Heel Turn? Namco are being Mr. Mcmahon level of Heel rn.

Humans like to rationalize their decisions. Tekken 8 does not allow that.

I see alot of players have no self awareness on this issue. The issue of player expression or easier mechanics is not a dev issue. One should expect the mechanics of anything to be easier as time goes on and the reason you dont get as much player expression today is because of how quickly we can exchange tactics and tech through social media. The pro players are the ones who dictate the meta in these games not the casual. So once the meta for all the characters has been discovered its the pro players calling for nerfs and buffs because now the game is stale. If character expression was truly valued why do we always immediately call for nerfs for any character that may have more tools than another?

Tekken 8 is fun. But I have never been THIS FRUSTRATED with Tekken. It feels like im playing MKX. Constant 50/50's with no options to deal with it. Heat engagers being +17 on block is NUTS. Every character has + frames out the wazoo. Hwoarangs power crushes being -12, instead of -13 like they were in Tekken 7 is bull crap. Bryan can kill you with 2 pokes, and 1 combo. Bears spamming electrics in heat with no real counter play that i can find. Azucena WR 3,2 being +5 when it should only be +1 or 2. The game is just TOO much. Which sucks cause the combo system is better than 7. The heat engagers ARE cool but they ARE broken. I actually like chip damage (thats a hot take though so....). I like the tornado spins. The characters are more interesting. Also, inputs genuinely seem....odd? they dont seem to read right. I dont have any evidence for that but i think its true. I miss Tekken 7. Which is truly a shame because Tekken 7 left in a garbage state where every character was bland and was not interesting. But id rather have what tekken 7 was than have this 50/50 non stop stuff.

My main concern is the way they might be dishing out bans. From statements it seems like if a person has enough reports against them ingame they get banned. What stops people from getting salty and reporting anyways?

All this push towards aggression and combos is the same mentality that has ruined sports like basketball and hockey. Eventually, this game will degenerate into a scrubby mess. A pretty mess, but still a mess.

Heat reminds me of V trigger all over again 🤢

Ironically, as a law player, adding nunchucks to the game had me playing more defensively, timing ch launches with the nunchucks. Despite the DSS dumb down, nunchucks were the most beautiful addition to law. His back 1+2 armor has been helpful too for hyper agressive players (along with the garaunteed nunchuck followup)

Gotta say the gambling part sounds very much like what a new player would feel while playing tekken regardless of the heat mechanic. Still it was a bummer for me when Namco said they were going to make t8 all about aggression, I was hoping to get more defensive options.

When the game was announced, I was part of the people saying it was going to be a shitshow. We all saw it from light years away. Everyone decided that people like us were just "anti-change" or "it's not out yet, you do not know how it will play." However now those same people are starting to see what we were all trying to say from the beginning. For me the heat system (and the buffs to rage arts.) have turned this game into an anime fighter, and not Tekken. Honestly if Tekken 7 had Tekken 8's netcode, and sidestepping. I would not have bothered getting Tekken 8. (Tekken 7 is not even my favourite Tekken, but it has my main Eliza, and better netcode than 6 lol).

Sick video btw it feels like you're basically just echoing everything that the community is saying (sounds like a diss but i'm just so glad that theres someone that understands us)

If they released a Tekken 5 anniversary edition, None of the pros , and ogs would be playing 8 I’ll tell ya that .

Heat Dashes are hype as hell, and feel good when executed. Safe, 10 Frame Heat Smashes that do 35%+. Not even.

This. This video is the one that explains why I’ve been frustrated with this game. I couldn’t put it into words before but this is the one. Thanks, Mike. ✌🏾😁

I just got into Tekken and I have to say this game is a big momentum based game. There is no slow down, no pull back and breathe. It's momentum back and forth and aggression. The fact heat can change the momentum of a fight with a armored first move that really does make your opponent have to back off or risk a Azucena DP Heat before they can push a button really dials back any pressure. Then your opponent goes into Rage, which also makes you stop your pressure and shifts the momentum abit because how fast it comes out and the fact it's armored AND can catch a button almost immediately lol. Anime fighters and SF are the two game genres that have stuck really hard with character playstyles as their focus and selling point. Even then, SF changed mechanics to where you're dashing in and keeping pressure but still gives you the freedom to turtle as say, guile or Ryu if you want. This is my first Tekken since Tag so I can't really say much on the meta but as a King and Asuka main I wouldn't have guessed I'd be just rushing and slamming someone against the wall as my main gameplan till i got the controller in my hand. I thought Asuka would be a counter based character while King would be a heavy armored grappler lol

You either die a Dusty Rhodes or live long enough to become a Ric Flair. Love the game but even as a console player I'm mad for the modding community.

My only issue is with ranked and how you can't set your preference to +1 or +0

I've been in Tekken since Tekken 2 and it used to be more technical, until juggles came.They tried a lot of stuff, like the new walls system in Tekken 4, which was too much, since it also had obstacles within the fighting area and made it really tedious to have a decent match (I still remember that phone booth in the airport area), so they got rid of them (thankfully) in Tekken 5 and only kept the walls. At last Tekken had some drops of realism, since you didn't fight in an endless space. But then, instead of going for even more realism, it was like they literally said "we want to ruin Tekken once and for all". Everyone started having auras, flashes, whatever and they instroduced juggle combos. So Tekken went from being technical to who will master the longest possible combo, to keep their opponent in the air for longer, so they literally destroy them, without them having a single chance to fight back. I mean now, with Tekken 8, it has reached a point were literally all my opponents online, the only thing they try to do, is launch me into the air. That's the ONLY thing they try to do. Why? To do ANOTHER juggle combo. I feel like a ragdoll being tossed around for the duration of the match. I could literally put my controller down for as long as the juggle combo lasts, go for a leak, have some lunch, since I CAN'T FUCKING CONTROL MY CHARACTER IN A FUCKING FIGHTING GAME, BECAUSE HE'S AT THE MERCY OF THE OPPONENT. It's frustating even thinking about it. And that was not enough. With the introduction of rage arts in Tekken 7, you just press a button and your character fights on their own for a while. SO WHY THE FUCK AM I HERE, HOLDING A FUCKING CONTROLLER IN MY HANDS? To sit back and watch a cut-scene MID-FIGHT? Years ago, every fighting game had a character. Now when i watch Tekken, is like watching Tekken, Dragon Ball Tenkaichi, Street Fighter and Marvel vs Capcom all together in one game... There you go, i let it all out. I've had enough with that asshole, Harada. He ruined my favorite fighting game.

There are some things going on with activating ultimates and using heat that I do feel if finally ironed out within the player base will become extremely easy and cheesy and will become the most common forms of playstyle/tactics

In other games, installs (I see heat as a generic install for all characters) takes some finesse to get into. If its blocked (unless its used to armor/invul through moves), it at the very best, should land you back to neutral. And in those games, there is usually a "parry" or "reversal" that rewards good reads for when the opponent wants to install. In this game, even if you are 100% sure someone is going into heat, your option is to throw or go low. Thats only if you are close enough and have the plus frames to do it, and only if you press your move before they press heat. Why is that? Heat shouldn't be free in neutral. Heck, make it so its punishable with Rage Art if someone dare pop it on neutral.

The same dumbing down of unique fighting styles has happened in Street Fighter 6 as well. What happened to being an execution god in fighting games. I want to feel like i love fighting games still but these new releases haven't been living up to my expectations lately.

Haven’t played tekken is prob a decade but this guy’s videos got me interested in all this hooplah with tekken 8 😂

17:27 thanks for mentioning my comment bro! Nothing to add else here besides the fact that they should either work on heat a lot more or remove it entirely which obviously won’t happen

Heat with safe RA’s is just ridiculous, I’ve been checked out of Tekken 8. They knew what they were doing when they released this game in this condition. Hope it gets better.

They just got to tone down certain characters heat like DJ,Jun,King,Feng,Yoshi cause those are ridiculously op

Tekken 7 was the first tekken that I played more in depth than casually, learning about frames, homing, 5050, oki etc. You're speaking on things I've been feeling and experiencing without the technical language to express it. Azucena's jailing moves, forced 50/50s, Dj's overpowered heat smash, Victors tracking explosion, and FENG!!! oh my god feng, it's definitely not balanced, definitely more restricted in play styles and options. i've been feeling it not knowing what it was.

As an enjoyer of Tekken since T2, I just think there is SOMETHING about T8 that is just whack. Something about the theming and the focus on more over the top shit. It’s more of a departure from what Tekken used to be than most people right now realize.

I’m life long tekken fan I’m 37 years old and I’ve stopped playng t8 month ago. It’s impossible to play,everyone just mashing furiously on my face and when I finally win something they ragequit… my life as Bryan main is difficult enough in this game and even when I win I lose, it’s not fun man

I think a lot of the issues coming up in T8 could be addressed by even making heats and Rage Arts harder to access. For example, in T7 there were more unique inputs you had to pull off to do a Rage Art or Rage Drive. As far as balancing goes, I'm really not worried tbh. Looks like they were just trying to appeal to everyone to get everyone invested in learning the game, but patches are going to happen and the dumbed down Tekken we have right now isn't likely to stay dumbed down.

The only thing left for Tekken is for them to add loot boxes with limited characters or items. You don´t pay? You lose. Or a gacha system like Genshin, using in game money for "wishes" so you can get the chance to unlock stages or characters without paying more money.

Because anti modding against honest modders.Lack of customization options with clothes that are stuck together. People getting juggled.Overpriced DLC.Bad mechanics hindering Korean backdash.Too many pluggers.

It needs a Stone Cold shaking hands with Vince level heel turn.

Trying this as my first real effort in Tekken, I feel actively punished for trying to learn movement. Everything tracks so damn hard and if I get it wrong I take 30%. Some launchers also seem too safe for too much reward, but that might just be me whining.

If we’re complaining already in season 1 I can only imagine the bs that’s to come in the later seasons…

Get this video more recognition guys

I totally agree. I started playing fighting game cause of SFIV and i was having a blast playing so many different characters, Hugo, Seth, Makoto, Decapre etc it was so fun back then

Im not really bothered by folks heat. Im moreso bothered by the type of things some characters can do that feels like bs outside of heat, the hitbox hurtbox, hit priority, and lack of defensive tools. Heat isn't an issue for me. I'm rarely mad about something someones done in heat (a few characters feel cheap but overall its not too overwhelming of an issue). Power crush and parry helps get around a lot of bs, but i wish parry wasnt nerfed so hard.

I kind of agree with Arslan. The real issue isn't heat it's the balance. Check Knee vs Arslan in T7 vs T8. These 2 had equal skill to win so each round in T7 came down to the wire and tournaments were lit. In T8 they did a FT10 where Arslan Victor murdered Knee's Bryan who switched to Dragonov and proceeded to murder Victor. Each match was a clear stomp on the weaker character. A recent tournament ATL held in Korea had 8 Azucenas and 6 Dragunovs in top 10 with occasional Feng. Low High tried using Steve a bottom tier nerfed to death character against Jeonndding Azucena a top 2 and got absolutely murdered.

I read many comolaints about Tekken, but myself being a fan of MK and completely abandoning it over Tekken, believe me, the gameplay Tekken offers over MK1 is huuuuuuuge

Ok folks I am gonna just say it like this. As a long time Tekken veteran and former world champion, I’ve spent hours, weeks, & now months with this game and I am enthralled to no end with this latest installment. This game is still in its fundamentals, Tekken. As with every sequel there is something new to learn & adjust to. With that being said, I’m baffled that everyone thinks that the “Heat System” is a bad thing…Why? This makes the game much more exciting and full of “nail biting” moments than it’s ever been before. I keep hearing things like “Oh the Heat System sucks”, “This is just an unfair Gamble”, or “There is no fairness & balancing anymore”. No folks it’s not... Like any other new mechanic in fighting games, YOU have to learn to adapt. Whether this means “blocking” “countering” or “intercepting” etc, etc. There will always be players who exploit things, yes. However, all well developed fighting games have mechanics implemented to where you can get around whatever your opponent throws at you (& the ability for these devs to put in patches these days only makes my point more valid here). In fact, Tekken 8 has the most comprehensive training mode EVER created in a fighting game thus far. Utilize it. Spend your time wisely and practice, practice, practice folks. To sum up my point, This is a great game & arguably its best entry in the entire franchise. With enough time and energy put into it already, I’m confident in this fact. In my opinion, everyone at Bandai-Namco, Katsuhiro Harada, & Michael Murray have all found a way to FINALLY appeal to the casual audience while keeping its technical aspects intact. Very few fighters in recent years have accomplished this feat. So I put it to you folks, either learn the game or don’t it’s up to you. One thing you should not do is blame the game or put it down for reasons of not figuring out how YOU should adapt to what it has to offer for YOU as a consumer & above all, a PLAYER. I hope everyone understands what I am saying & more importantly, continues to support this game as it deserves it. Thanks for reading/listening. 😉🍷

My issue with T8 is how much you can get blown up for one mistake or misinput. 50% combos are way too doable.

Fully agree. Im yoshi main and the character can be played on different ways. I play more defensive and trolly style. But this game does not allow it, you have to buldoze the opponent or he will. Tekken part is dead. Only heat. It needs major nerfs, or im back to t7

The most violent game of paper rocks Scissor ever made...

I really liked playing Alisa in T7. Poking, whiff punishing, stepping. Passive defensive style. Now in T8 she has spammable heat engagers. +17 mix in chainsaws. Start with big mid to force massive chip damage and +5 situation. Opponent can’t do anything to stop it. And plus frames + chip continues after it. And she can forward/backdash in chainsaws now too to chase opponent if they backdash. In T8 the optimal play style is to land a heat engager ASAP and 50/50 chainsaw mix them to death. They even nerfed some of her fundamental poking tools db3 and df1,4 to make defensive poking style less attractive.

18:36 even though the game is eating "peach" they still made the "mangos" jiggle

Chip damage is bs. MK has been ruined by it in the latest game and now Tekken as well 🤦🏼‍♂️

I play Tekken at a casual level (green rank), and what bothers me about the new heat mechanic is that if I do a move and happen to land a counter hit, my character begins to run at the opponent entirely of their own volition; I didn't do that. It's like watching a cutscene with QTEs.

I see your points and respect your opinion, but as a rushdown player I love how the heat system. Yeah I agree it needs some balancing, but I'm gonna enjoy forcing my opponent into nasty mixups until it changes.

i still enjoy t8, but i'm not enjoying what namco is doing to tekken's reputation

One thing to take into account is T8 is the first Tekken that didnt have an arcade beta run. Vanilla T7 is wayyy worse then T8, were basically in the testing stage and the games gonna get wayy better

70 euros for the game 40 euros of season dlc 10 euro battle pass (to get things that were already in Tekken 7?) 4 euros each additional skin? free Bad update balance? I'm quite surprised that some major criticism hasn't erupted against Bandai Namco

I can’t believe they waited this long to call it out

Imagine if heat had multiple styles, which one of those you can choose in character loadaout. For example OG heat - Rushdown New heat style - defense, heat smash/heat burst etc would do different things than og heat system. So you could mix and match the character with the heat style.

And Bamco deserves the backlash,they ignored the rage quitters for months but they were really quickly to introduce the garbage "Tekken shop" which is nothing but a vulgar micro-transaction measure. Now they are banning modders because Bamco sees them as a threat to their cash cow "shop",they are making the same big mistake that Crapcom did by making modders their enemy a few months back.

we need to give it more time!

Getting stomped by players who has no fundamentals ( movement, char. Knowledge, punishment) while i invested so much to learn these made me rage so hard dude.

T8 is a culmination of the major flaw that has continually pissed people off since T6: being able to die from a massive juggle because of one frame's worth of error. What I mean is that in T5 and prior Tekken's, juggles were only a few seconds worth and only so much damage. Since T6 and bound, you just put the controller down and lose half your health because of one fk up; and what makes matters worse is the proliferation of insane crushy launchers which then morphed into Namco's decision to start turning characters into boss characters, with moves that will hit across the map, track way too well, handle all the player's movement for them, yield massive results with zero effort and requiring perfect counter play to stop them, assuming there is a counter play. You started getting T7 pay to win DLC characters and then Feng, and now we have more of the same, and when they keep cutting the balls off your sidesteps and backdashes so you can't get off the pressure, the game loses its appeal.

I think Tekken 8 is awesome as an og Tekken player

Great video but holy shit no way taking a screenshot lags the game as a content creator im so glad I never thought of that for thumbnails

I started playing King recently and the only reason he's op is because moves track. His gameplay is almost the same as T7 but who knew grab changes would benefit a grappler character... This together with his old mids and similar looking throws makes him a nightmare

The honeymoon phase is over faster then Mortal Kombat 1

Tekken 8 is following the same steps and mistakes as MK1, losing players very quick, very unfun frustrating game, terrible greedy decisions all around, but fanboys will stay coping

I agree with almost everything you said. To me the honeymoon period came from the fact that because of the okish netcode, the sense of novelty given by the gameplay and the loading times, everyone felt in love with this game and wanted it to be better than it really is at the moment. I do not agree that the game is any easier than before, because guessing 50/50s is also a talent and requires observation. You can clearly see this if you play the same people over and over, but definitely in ranked and with this pseudo bo3 system it is ridiculous. However the top pro players have still around 80% wr even playing against themselves basically, which means that the game still rewards skill heavily and we need to adapt to it. I see a lot of things conceptually that I don't like(one of them was making WR moves easier to pull off which makes spacing even more difficult) and that I do not expect they will be fixed, however I am also aware of how talented the balancing team is and I know that eventually we'll have a very good fighting game.