When the presence went to trigons realm as the little dog, when trigon was playing games about giving back phantom stranger. When the presence was about to turn up, trigon wanted no smoke, I hate it when folks suggest that trigon is some kind of threat to the presence
I was laughing during that section. The Presence has no match for he is all. If he desired Trigon to no longer exist, he simply wouldn't. Lucifer despite his obvious disdain for the Presence, was even careful with how he choose to speak to his Father. Trigon is a universe level threat yet, but to suggest he is anything close to the Presence is nonsense, the whole plot of Lucifer was that the Presence wanted Lucifer to ascend to become the same type of being as The Presence just so he didn't have to be alone anymore, and could have another being truly understand him. Shame Lucifer told him to go fuck himself, but in a nicer way
right? like where did he get those names from? i only know the upside down man but i thought maybe he might have been called reversed man as like a secondary name like Captain Marvel and Shazam but when he never once used his actual name i was like wait what?
@@evenhartwick4422 there is a man hanging upside down in a tarot deck that is sometimes called The reversed man. I am guessing it comes from there. Either way a 10 second Google search...and perpetual is another word for Endless...makes me wonder if he is converting a script from another language but even still quick Google search...so lazy.
I feel like from a meta standpoint if the Over Void/Over Monitor represents the blank page of the comic then it stands above anything within the page itself, even Retcon Corp.
@@agentchen6788 I don't know too much about them but essentially they view all of DC as fiction and are in charge of keeping events entertaining or something. Think the TVA from the Loki series but on a MUCH higher level. To me it's just over complicated meta nonsense that only comes up in powerscaling discussions
I agree with Darkseid being so high but he still wasn't a match for empty hand. Pralaya is a bit too high on this list, she's not more powerful than the Presence as she is just his unconscious mind. The Presence/Source are the same being and the most powerful being in DC.
@@marquisdouglas1816 if you had a brain, it is confirmed that pariah never really had the power of the great darkness and only a portion of it. Very small, it was confirmed he was delusional and hallucinating
@@mel-el5862 you had to insult me… fine we can go that route… it never was confirmed that pariah was delusional. You obviously didn’t read the comic clearly was stated that he was stronger then empty hand and darksied in dark crisis
There are a few things wrong with this video: 1. Like another person said it’s not the Reversed Man it’s the Upside Down Man and it’s the Endless not the Perpetuals. 2. The Great Darkness didn’t really retcon Perpetua’s work on the past Crisis events, more like it stacks on top. The villains of each crisis are avatars/puppets of GD yes but its more like they have "a touch of Darkness" to them and to it and have their own individuality as the GD didn’t actively create them since he was slumbering at the time. Perpetua just stoked that “touch of Darkness” like flaming a spark into a fire. 3. Prayala is more like an avatar of the Great Darkness since GD is Nothingness like how Prayala describes herself to be. GD existed before the Light (aka the Presence aka the Source) was even “perceptible” and what made “Everything” and “Nothingness” the same thing before the Light grew and change that.
This list is all types of wrong tbh, you put characters like mxy above barbatos who’s also originally and inhabitant of the sixth dimension and killed the world forger before
How is Barbatos above Mxy? Hasn’t Mxy casually blinked universes out of existence? Like feat wise I think Mxy is well well well above Perpetua and all them. I don’t think 5D vs 6D would mean too much considering the League punched out 6D beings back in JLA.
@@wr5488 yh barbatos eats universes too and was created by the world forger in the 6th dimension ...he actually killed the world forger at one point too
@@wr5488 nah mxy is not even close to pepetua at all ..he even admits that he can barely fathom the 6th dimension which is the realm the anti monitor ,world forger and monitor come from and pepetua alone soloed her kids fused together
@@kawakiuzumaki5934 absolutely not the presence is just the embodiment of The seven forces of the Universe just as it counterpart the great darkness is the embodiment of the seven dark forces they're the platonic concepts of protagonism and antagonism in the dc multiverse while the source is like a reverse Azathoth outside of the dc multiverse with every other fictional setting floating around it trying to keep it engaged and interested in them with entertaining story's so it provides the energy for them to exist it represents the audience buying merchandise and keeping the company funded and successful.
@@mattrussell8309 that’s literally not true Perpetua gets t totality energy to crest the multi reverse from the presence/source. Death metal literally said that lol. So you’re objectively wrong
@@kawakiuzumaki5934 Perpetua got the totality from the source/overvoid the presence didn't exist in the dc universe until she was shoved behind the source wall by the cosmic raptor and the presence took over running things with her gone at best the presence is a small fragment of the source/overvoid which is why they're often referred to as the same entity but they're relationship is like a divine avatar in a single universe to its godhead.
“Michael Demiergos”? So he is named after the Gnostic name for God? Or the Platonic name for the creator? Demiurg or Demiurgos is the being that created our universe, created the material and separated us from the higher realm
17:08 He abandoned his role because he no longer wanted to be responsible for the further destruction that humanity and the rest of creation would suffer, so he left, knowing that the process of destruction would continue on with or without his supervision.
It's the Upside-Down Man, not the Reverse Man. In the future, you might want to double-check your information and names before posting. I know at some point it becomes of issue of "I'm in too deep to fix". In that case, just make an addendum for corrections.
@@Qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm465 I mean according to what though? The Presence just liked him less than Michael. Especially if he knew of Lucifers fall.
@@malikjackson9337 The Presence liked Lucifer more than Michael. Michael could never do what the Presence actually wanted him to do, where as Lucifer could. That's literally the entire plot of the Lucifer (2000) series
Michael was given the power of creation and destruction, Lucifer was given the willpower of God. If I'm remembering the comics right. So technically Michael is more powerful, but Lucifer's will closes that gap for the most part.
i think part of the reason it so convoluted is because they reboot there comics very 30 years or so but then immediately back track and start adding old canon stuff back into into the new canon confusing things even more like how they had new 52 but then retcon every thing with rebirth then retcon everything again with death metal.
A simple rule i go with is if a person making a list can't even say the charaters name right then don't take it serious because it was made with a quick google sereach
Love it only thing id change is id put Manhattan before Perpetua above her children cause Mr. Myx was imprisoned and terrified of him and Dark Knight could match at least her children and put up a fight to weaken Perpetua.
The last guys are the same as the "old ones" in Cabin in the Woods. The watchers. Things simply don't exist if they aren't watching and their whims dictate the realities they watch.
Is one character he forgot to mention that character is Yuga Khan Darkseid father who was way stronger even at True Form Yuga Khan was the only person Darkseid feared
Artista immenso ... Servono opere per rivoluzionare questi personaggi ! I personaggi hanno un bisogno disperato di essere innalzati alle altezze che competono loro ... La cultura deve essere tutelata per Legge !
I dont believe the monitor brothers are higher than The Spectre. We can see this from that new animated movie about the Crisis. Also True Form Darkseid is shown to be the left hand of the Great Darkness, like Empty Hand is the Right hand of the Great Darkness.
DC fans only think negative when DC lets others distort their fans opinions and beliefs (business)...Exaaple:Trigon hasn't ever really tasted true defeat except from Raven giving him his deadbeats👁️
Pralaya is DC comics version of Oblivion. If or When all of creation ceases to be, Pralaya will be all that's left. She is not only the embodiment or personification of nothingness... But she/he/it is nothingness...the absence of creation.
Disagree with some atuff here. Empty Hand was clearly above Darkseid, so Darkseid should be below him. Darkest Knight with Dr. Manhatten beat Perpetua. That should out him above Myx, who was clearly afraid of Manhatten.
This felt like a trip to the psychosis' of the DC writers caused every possible psychedelic drug. Like eating philosophical ideas and shitting incomprehensible nonsense they can draw on a comic caused by LSD, MDM pills and ecstasy taken with gulp of vicodin.
Isn’t Superboy prime from outside the comics’ universe? From the real world? Where the writers and the readers exist? Strange as it seems he should be at the highest level.
Darkseid is absolutely weak. When you see an avatar set out to conquer or kill and it fails, just rem remember that it was TF darkseid that planned it out, sent the avatar and failed. Any time an avatar fails the fault is TFs darksrids.
@@wiswc Hahaha. Im making a parody about how Batman is just so plot armor he wins everything even when he's not involved. Because his plot armor says so!
Sorry for saying this, but this list is not correct at all, you are calling the "endless" pepertuals and calling the "upside down man" the reverse man. Even the order of the hierarchy is so wrong. And how did you get the info about Pralaya stronger and more powerful than the Presence. The Presence is no 1. you didn't even mention the Leviathan etc.
so is manhattan the strongest/stronger than spectre as with a fraction of his power the jl defeat perpetua and she created anti monitor who spectre is equal in power
While I will acknowledge that AI voices are getting better and better, (this one is quite good), it still mispronounces things a lot. Myxy's name and Hecate's name being some of the worst, you should have just left the E out of her name so the AI didn't pronounce it. I can ignore Myxy's mispronunciation because everyone pronounces it differently, which I think fits his character really well. What I don't get is why people can't just read from a script, why is it that they need a primitive AI that doesn't sound human at all to do the job. No matter how your voice sounds, it's always going to sound better than an AI.
Myxy once said that he wouldn't mess with Dr. Manhattan, why is he after Manhattan in this list? Is it not a list sorted by power level? Myxy should have been before Dr. Manhattan if so.
Lying about Hercules knocking out superman is such a low blow. He failed to beat kingdom come superman and he had to fight a weakened injustice superman and still died to that superman.
He’s not, multiple times he’s been shown to not be omnipotent. Hes INCREDIBLY powerful but not top dog. Theres stuff like Lucifer and Eclipso knowing how to kill Presence (Eclipso would’ve succeeded too). But currently Presence literally isn’t top dog. He gave his power/control to his granddaughter Elaine. If anything I think the Overvoid is the top being, everything stems from it. All of existence stems from what is essentially a cancer cell it has. This includes Presence
@@wr5488 in dc lucifer is low tier he's only overpowered in the universe of sandman because it only contains earth and is dominated by Christianity the second he leaves it and goes anywhere else in the multiverse with his avatars he's only god tier and get bodied by other archfiends and is lower mid tier by god levels also the top dog in dc is the source which is the concept of all creativity and creation that fuels all things in existence that lives in the overvoid that created all the hands as well as created both the presence and great darkness who are its avatars of the energy it granted dc to exist
@@mattrussell8309 DC Lucifer is pretty weak comparitively, hes one of the 'lesser' demon lords. He lost to Neron and Belial and King Arthur. VERTIGO Lucifer though (the commonly known one, blonde dude) is crazy powerful one.
