@MacroLore I want to see warframe invade warhammer 40k first off... Tenno will thrive there. Nobody can stop them as they grow gain more knowledge and power
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@@LordHayabusa85 Funny because a Sangheili called a Spartan a Xenos , Demon in one of the books or something in the extended lore lol. We seriously have the Imperium vs the Xenos version of the Imperium. Granted they will grind each other to a halt and it will become a Tuesday because the Imperum simply doesn't have the resources to waste on the Covenant with everything else going on. It's kind of like the reason the Tau still exist. The Covenant is a religious zealot version of the Tau on steroids with a lot of ships and numbers on their side. Granted the Covenant will never actually manage to repeat their success they had against an unprepared humanity they fought in Halo. Because the Imperium isn't unprepared . It's just slow at getting the gears grinding in their direction.
The radio transmissions between the Imperiam and the covenant would be interesting by itself! The word "heretic" would make the subject of a drinking game in itself.😂
On the blood of our fathers, on the blood of our sons, we will watch this stuff on lunch break tomorrow. Update: lunch is grilled ham and cheese sandwiches. This is a good day.
For the Covenant to survive in 40k they would, at the very least, need to make some social reforms in their Empire, such as giving more rights to Grunts and Jackals, and giving them decent military training so the covenant's cannon fodder can compare to humanity's one
Your support is appreciated. I will once again be breaking it into 3 parts. with part 3 being the political breakdown/mythology as well as where they fit on a narrative level@@Neoth40k
Depending on the eras of the imperium it goes like this Great crusade - beats covenant low diff Post Horus heresy - no primarchs a costly stalemate Indomitus crusade - guilliman and the lion will prove to be very problematic for the covenant
I completely agree. Guilliman is the worst adversary for the covenant. A true Logistical mastermind is needed to defeat such a technologically advanced enemy
@@voidtempering8700 not really the only real outclass is industry and man power they have very good shield tech, scarabs are bigger than MOST titans and can be way more produced than any of the other factions titans ( espically the imperium). they dont really fight like idoits and arnt overly zealot they also have plasma tech that dont explode if you over use it just burns your hand abit. FTL is a massive game changer as they can appear over one planet glass it to hell and back than leave before any fleet comes to put a hurtting on them Hunters are op as shit. not only that the imperium wouldnt be able to focus all their attention on the covenant and the covenant can easly just raid imperium worlds yeah they could do that but it would open them up to all their other enemies. and the covenant would blood nose them into a stalmate.
@@coolchrisable Covenant shield tech is poor when compared to Imperium ships, and 40k ships in general. Every single macro-cannons packs more force then a Super-Mac, which guts CAS's in a single shot. Meanwhile, 40k ships can withstand salvos before going down. Also, Covenant plasma weaponry is very weak when compared to 40k plasma. Just because they both are called plasma doesn't make them the same. Lastly, a Scarab is literally nothing to a Titan. They can be brought down easily when compared to even a Warhounds Titan, let alone the stronger variants. Scarabs are numerous, sure, but they can also be easily destroyed by mass tank fire and artillery fire, which is something the UNSC don't have in most cases. Unlike the UNSC, the Covenant would need 3-1 odds to take out even IoM destroyers, let alone Cruisers.
@@voidtempering8700 1 covent shields are only weaker to void shields and no it wasnt mac batteries could cut though them super macs could but unsc needed a 3-1 odds to destory 1 covent ship and that was also under relentless assult now a super mac would go though shields like a hot knife though butter but most things isnt going to be left standing after taking a 3k toon object going at a fraction the speed of light hell a supermak is taking out all but the biggest of war ships the imperium has im jsut saying. yeah you are right on some level the imperiums plasma is overall better but witch one is alot more numoris and alot safer to handly and you dont have to worry about blowing yourself and your squad mates up also the games dont really do covent plasma weapons jsutice lore wise the covent plasma weapons are deadly as hell able to blow a hole in most organic stuff it touch also dont qoute me on this but i think the covant plasma weapons are faster atleast with projectile speed. so overall you have a more reliable plasma weapon while it more than likely wont have the same killing power as an imperium plasma its overall more reliable and overall safer to use and mass and if im not mistake for bigger plasma weapons they carry a big ass pack on their back so hit that and boom. Scarbs vs titans is a really big iffy one 1 on 1 depending on the titan i think the scarb can win unless its like some of the bigger titans. but your missing the point the covant can mass the scarbs to the point where they would be able to overwhelm imperal titans of course this depends on the weapons the titan has. and taking down a scarb like you said is still going to have to attack it under consentraited fire in the same sence you can do the same for imperium titans to consentrated fire. also there are also stronger versions of scarbs. but scarb weapons on them i fully beleive can knock out a titans void shield ( depending on the titans as it would take more or less and depends on the scarb model) now space battles i believe it might be somewhat more even given how slip space is and even if they do need a 3 to 1 odd whos to say they have to keep fightting like that when they can jsut slip space away or behind the enemy defenses and glass the impiurms infasture worlds like the manufactors the agri worlds now mechicium worlds would be hard af to glass.
The Tau ships are actually fairly small and lightly armed compared to the UNSC's ships. The Tau themselves suck at close combat and their pulse rifles are less effective than UNSC versions. Plus they don't have the sheer numbers advantage that the Covenant have in halo. The basic Grunts breed like rabbits , with large egg clutches and short childhood periods. A Unggoy aka grunt reaches adulthood between the ages of 5 and 8 years. At which point they start breeding. And the Grunts natural life span if they don't get killed and aren't living on their homeworld is 121+ years. And they don't stop breeding. So 2 begets 12 begets 2,352 begots 395,136 begots 66,382,8484 within 4 egg clutches from the original 2. Now multiple that out by the rest and you quickly have millions than billions then trillions of them. The grunts breed at such a high rate that overpopulation is a major issue for the Covenant , as such in non-war times, strict laws are placed on Unggoy breeding. So the Covenant have the ability to drown the Imperial Guard in bodies. And still have more in reserve. Because their primary infantry response to ground forces is the Unggoy's .
@nobleman9393 The Or'es El'leath (Custodian)-class Battleship is the Tau's largest ship. It's literally the size of a frigate in any other navy including the UNSC Navy. The elegant design of the Or'es El'leath causes it to lack the durability of other Battleships, being more akin to a Grand Cruiser's hull value. Its armament consists of 3x8 Missile Launcher tubes, 3 Gravitic Hooks, 6 double-barreled heavy Railguns, 2 heavy Ion Cannons, 12 lighter Railguns, and 6 Launch Bays for Attack Craft. Compare that to the UNSC's largest ship classes. The Punic-class supercarrier is 4 km long and armed from prowl to stern with 2 Super MACs, multiple coilgun batteries , 100 x 24 Archer missile pods , 20 x 20 Howler missile pods , 80 M85 Scythe point defense turrets ( also coilguns) , 100 M965 Fortress point defense networks running along the ship. And 20 hanger bays for thousands of craft plus at least 4 frigate deployment decks. The Punic-class supercarriers are the most common, though not as powerful as the Infinity class. Which well comparing the Infinity or Eternity to a Tau ship is probably overkill.
@@John2r1 The Custodian is akin to Imperial Grand Cruisers and those are 6 to 7 kilometers long 💀💀💀 It would be larger than the Infinity, even the Emissary cruiser is around 2.5 km.
Don’t start that argument. It’s a waste of time. Warhammer fans can be bad, but my personal interactions with Startards leads me to believe that they view their overrated franchise as an actual religion.
The psychological impact the Imperium would have on the Covenant cannot be overlooked either, in my opinion. And I don't mean the psychological impact of their military or scales of production, but more so the culture shock. Humanity in the Halo universe isn't given to the same amorality as the Imperium, and for the most part the Covenant exploit that as a psychological weapon to help them bully the UNSC with near impunity. And by the same token, I believe this makes the Covenant military somewhat more lax and arrogant, as they are accustomed to having the upper hand in every engagement. In 40K, however, I think the Covenant would have a very hard time coping with a tenacious humanity fueled by indoctrination and fanaticism, backed by endless military production. How might the Covenant react upon seeing their first servitor? Or a Hive World? Or even Krieg? Humanity in the Imperium is anathema to humanity in Halo in every respect, and I feel the Covenant would be wholly unprepared to experience it, and caught completely off guard by the lengths to which the Imperium is willing to go to achieve victory, or even a stalemate. The Covenant simply would not be military, or psychologically, prepared to engage in the kinds of attrition that are present in the 40K universe, as they've never had to before. Certainly the UNSC has hindered them, but that's really the best the UNSC could hope to achieve. It was only by the arrogance of the Prophets, and the ensuing civil war their hubris caused, that humanity was spared a death blow. Against the Imperium, however, the Covenant are woefully unprepared to wage war against a well armed galactic civilization.
It’s not even a contest to begin with, true psychological trauma will come from Covenant ships getting one shot blown to pieces from IoM Macro-Cannons, to put into perspective the Super MACmkV on Orbital defense stations fires rounds at 12,000km per second which is 3% the speed of light and these one shot covenant capital ships. The Imperium’s Macro-cannon fires ordinance shells the size of sky scrapers at a velocity of 120,000-160,000km per second which is relative to the speed of light at mach 300. IoM ships are also void shielded so all the advantages the covenant had over the UNSC is gone completely.. the Infinity fodders the covenant but IoM cruisers and battleships fodders the Infinity. These weapons come standard, but there are a variety of other weapons that are effective like cyclonic torpedos that are used in exterminatus like two of them can crack open a planet, there is also energy based weapons like the prow lance which covenant shields are weak to energy based attacks. Then there is the Nova-Cannon which fires torrents of warp rifts, these consume planets and fleets. The Covenant is at a loss on every metric in space with a debatable faster FTL, it still doesn’t mean you can just run every time. The Astra-Militarum again takes away the Covenant numerical advantage, if regular UNSC marines/ODST can contest ground and beat covenant forces there is no reason Imperial guard can’t do the same.
Well having a fleet suddenly pop in the system with no warning would probably cause a huge panic as they just showed up in the heart of human space. Actually if the Covenant showed up in Tau space actually if you think of it it's more possible for the two to actually join forces both have things they need and the Covenant isn't above annexing or joining forces with with other races. This would give the Tau a huge fleet and military force to help fortify their space. As well as give the Tau access to slip space. The negotiations between the two would be pretty interesting.
I wouldn't say stomps more like enlightens and incorporates them into well lets be honest the Kroot might get the position equal to the Kig Yar aka Jackals but the Tau themselves are going to be enslaved and the humans among them are going to get murdered.
@nobleman9393 Haha, no, it didn't take 27 years for the covenant to any meaningful damage. It took 27 years for the UNSC to grind them to a halt. To be exact, had the Covenant civil war not happened, humanity would have been pretty well cooked by the Covenant. And let's not forget that the UNSC is 300% larger than the Tau empire. And had the Cole Protocol in place which meant they didn't surrender, and they would wipe the data from their navigation systems in the case of capture. They also blew up their own ships. So compare fighting through 800 or so worlds vs. fighting through 200 worlds that have nothing of religious value on them. Thus, the Covenant military is allowed to do whatever they want to the Tau in the process. Remember, the only real reason the Covenant bothered to deploy ground forces was because of Forerunner artifacts. Which the Tau have none. So it's going to be 100% green light on glassing every Tau planet they come across. The Tau can't keep fighting a rear guard action for nearly as long as the UNSC did. Simply because they don't have the world to keep retreating. And they have next to nothing that will take on the Covenants fleets. When your largest ship is the size of a light cruiser. And your opponent shows up with 30 km long ships armed to the teeth with plasma weapons that defy physics in terms of velocity. Your navy is kind of screwed. The fact is the Tau empire doesn't have enough troops , ships , equipment, weapons or Territory to be capable of stopping the Covenant if the Covenant decides that around 200 planets looks like a new neighborhood of their empire to take. Also note I am being nice with the 200 worlds. Because they really have like 150 that are actually stated in the lore and only 20 of those are fully developed Sept worlds. Meanwhile, the Covenant Empire is described as being an expansive interstellar empire based within the Orion Arm of the Milky Way galaxy, with the mobile holy city High Charity as their capital. At the height of its power, the Covenant encompassed thousands of systems. Befitting its vastness, the governance of the Covenant's interstellar dominion was highly complex; occasionally, worlds or entire sub-domains vanished from the records maintained at High Charity, only for contact to be re-established decades later. "Thousands of Systems " not individual planets but systems of planets. The number of planets may vary, but if we say each system has 10 planets, that's at minimum 10,000 worlds. Depending on how many thousands of systems they control. It could be 1,000 or 100,000 for all we know. I'm more likely to go with the 1,000 to 2,000 systems at max. Just to be fair. And yes, this means the Covenants numbers are actually in the Trillions at minimum and does mean there are other planets the species of the Covenant live on other than their homeworlds. The Covenant were winning the war until a civil war broke out because of the prophet of truth, who's really a backstabbing lying prick. Decided to replace the Elites with the Brutes in the middle of a war. Barring that level of plot armor. The Tau are going to get their collective asses kicked and anyone who survives will likely be enslaved. Gue'vesa aka Humans won't have to worry about becoming Slaves. Because the Covenant will genocide them and eat them. Yeah that's why the UNSC ground forces fought like hell and never surrendered willingly to the Covenant. Same with the UNSC Navy. Though the Navy were equally ad outgunned as the Tau are.
@@John2r1 They finally start destroying some important colonies like Reach, they manage to kill billions of humans in single year Earth is invaded, yeah that would be finally starting to do some damage to your mortal enemy if you ask me. The Tau empire is 300 light years across, the UEG is 80 light years across. The UEG had 100 planets at max, 76 planets glassed was considered at most of them and colony doesn't not equal planet, Halo's lore makes it clear. Human auxilaries alone outnumber the whole UNSC haha, Commandor Farsight was given 100 billion soldiers and thousands of ships to reconquer planets lost to the Imperium and that was one among many operations launched by them, pretty much a side show in their overall war. Despite being the smallest main faction, the Tau are already waging wars which the UNSC wouldn't believe possible. It's a statement from democles books which were happening in the 700s of M41, it's M42 currently and they were expanding this whole time. So despite being smaller than the Imperium, their logistics are somehow worse? We get hard numbers for two Elite planets, their homeworld and Glyke, both are very important and centres of industry and trade and both have population of several billion.... so we can dismiss trillions of covies. While Sa'cea is directly stated to have trillions of citizens. The thing is that the Tau have bigger more advanced military, industry and more experience than the UNSC could ever hope to achieve, again Halo fans assume that every Faction is fiction has the exact capabilities as the UNSC and thus would lose to the Covenant.
Not really considering the Covenant can match the UNSC's weapons range depending on weapon class being used. Their plasma artillery has around 100 km range. Their plasma cannons are capable of vaporizing a fully armored Space Marine or a Spartan. Their plasma rifles have about the same range as any other plasma rifle depending on the setting . etc. Their ships are large and very powerful with physics defying plasma like projectiles being fired at the speed of light. So more like the Tau on steriods. Go play the Halo games on legendary and run straight at every plasma turret you find to see how that will work out for the Imperium or anyone else in 40k that thinks they could drown the Covenant in bodies. Also play the Halo 2 and 3 on Legendary with all the skills on and go into the section where there a bunch of Jackal Snipers and see how well that works out. Because the Jackals actually are capable of matching the range of human snipers and hitting their targets more accurately because they can see better than humans and probably equally as well as the Kroot can if handed a sniper rifle. So lore wise they have about comparable range to that of the Tau depending on weapon system being used. Plus they are much more deadly in close quarters. A Grunt can gut a Guardsmen in close combat . We know this because they routinely ripped apart UNSC infantry personnel in close combat. And they are the weaker race in terms of combat ability. The Tau are even weaker than humans . So yeah the Covenant are like the Tau on steroids in terms of both the physical capability of the majority of their races and sheer numbers. 2 Unggoy = 12 Unggoy young per egg clutch and if were being nice we could say they lay eggs twice a year thats 24 per year , over the course of their 121+ years lifespan if not killed in combat. And each of these egg clutches will reach maturity in 8 years. So to begets 24 per year over 8 years begets 194 of them in 8 years. Then the 12 start breeding with other Unggoy who were hatched in the same year they were .. 24 breeding Unggoy plus their parents still having more brothers and sisters for them. equallys a shit ton more of them. It takes 18 years to fully develop a proper human soldier in that time the original 2 parents have had 864 offspring. And two generations have become mature meaning the second generation are also having children and so on . The Covenant can recover losses at twice the rate of the Imperium. Nevermind the Tau who are already outnumbered by everyone else anyways. So Tau on steroids with numbers to match the Imperium man to freak.
you know I can imagine an embarrasing number of Astartes getting killed by Grunts after they charge them thinking it'll be like slaugherting Grots. kinda like when Halo players do the same thing or when Astartes charge Tau Fire Warriors without a plan only even worse since Grunts arent near sighted like Tau are.
Not only that. A basic Plasma pistol would rip through ceramite. And even though the astartes would be able to survive a few hits but can't hope to survive a barrage like lazrifles
@@MacroLore exactly what I had in mind, and unlike the Spartans who have recharging energy shields any damage dealt by a Plasma Pistol to Ceramite armor will last the remainder of the battle with little to no hope of a proper field repair.
Always good to see other people's take on this, especially if its more serious. Maybe someday we'll get something equivilent to that gigantic Star Wars/40k crossover people are apparently doing whole videos for.
Convincing jakals to join something isnt hard for the tau like all they have to do is be like "hey we well give you some tech as payment" and thats all they need to do Also im very bad with 40k lore but i dont think the tau would force religion down the jakals throat like the covenant does which is a bonus for them
The Tau are all about the greater good. It’s not really a religion it’s a philosophy but you absolutely have to subscribe to it to be part of Tau society.
The most favorable scenario for the Covenant is if they meet the Tau first. Literally everyone else would just smash the Covenant before they could get their bearings.
Also the imperiums best weapons in the fight against the covenant won’t be it’s massive titans or ships but rather its most mobile easy to produce units ( lunar class cruisers , cobra class destroyers and war hound titans) as for space marines there are marines that would fair poorly against the covenant but there’s also as many chapters of marines that can fair really really good , the Raven gaurd and their successors the black gaurd , the raptors , the revilers along with the ultramarines , dark angels and the deathwatch ( that are specialized for dealing with xenos like tau , necrons etc) would be a real danger to the covenant.
The main “buff” the imperium has is that it’s essentially an empire held together by production. Every planet produces something somebody needs and because of that each planet has its own checks and balances. Granted the checks and balances may take a decade: they do exist
One thing to point out that your kind of forgetting .Is that the Covenant's ships can jump to below the orbital defense grid forcing the Imperial Navy to engage in atmospheric combat. And allowing the Covenant to skip the larger guns of Terra's defenses. So that first fleet would do a hell of a lot of damage. also they can jump into slipspace while in the atmosphere. tearing apart the section of the hive city they jump from. I am assuming you didn't play Halo ODST. Because the Covenant jumps inside a city.
@nobleman9393 Sure if there is anything that can hit them hard enough below the orbital defenses. And your also forgetting that they have weapons on their ships that are used for orbital bombardment. And very good sensors as well as shielding capable of taking nukes hitting them. Not sure Micro cannon batteries are going to do much after being hit by an energy projector. Besides it's the innitial shock of someone in the setting doing such a precision jump. Also it's worth mentioning the Covenant does have stealth tech as well.
@@John2r1 Imperial orbitals have guns pointing in every direction, just in case and on the ground anti-ship batteries also exist, well you see the Imperium actually thinks about things like "What if enemy tries to flank us?" unlike ODPs which become useless the moment someone decides to not be in front of them. So at this point they are bombarded from above and from below by shielded forts and Orbitals with weapons the UNSC can only dream of.
@nobleman9393 ODPs had missiles and gun emplacements they simply didn't point directly down. They also have hanger bays full of fighters. And were surrounded by fleets. On the ground the UNSC actually have anti ship.weapons. The problems started with the energy shielding. And ended with any anti ship coilgun or railgun emplacement being hit by energy projectors. You know the arcane plasma like shit that defies the known laws of physics by moving at the speed of light. See it's not so easy to just swat off the Covenant like it's a fly. They have the numbers and equipment to pose a decent threat to the current Imperium. And are far to numerous to be rolled over when the Imperium inevitably counter attacks. For the same reason the Tau are still alive other than plot armor.
@@John2r1 As stated by you ODPs would be smashed by jumping below them, a design flaw the UNSC never corrected. Very small and weak mini MAC's not even comparable to magnetic cannons on Frigates, also unshielded and without any armor. Halo fans tend to claim that the UNSC is peak fiction and that every other human faction is on the same level and thus they would have the same troubles with the Covenant, which isn't true the Imperium for example dwarfs them when it comes to population, industry and capability to just keep going, I would say they even better at adapting.
If you are looking to expand your "Versus" series, personally, I would like to see Star Wars and Mass Effect added because they have some dope factions. You could even do an 8 part universal free for all.
4:50 do the covenant have females on their ships? Or is there some ither means for them to repopulate. Also a lot of covenant tech is dependent on the engineer thingies, and a lot more is just recycled forerunner stuff. Maybe they might recycle some stuff in the 40k universe but as for industry they aren't that good at building stuff on their own.
I will agree the covenant industry is largely dependent on the buggers, lekgolo, and engineers entirely. The prophets, elites, grunts, and brutes can all go work on bringing back slaves, food, or resources while the other races work
Be kinda hilarious if somehow even in the grim darkness of the far future Astartes and Arbiter still found some kind of common ground and went on a combined crusade against the Prophets.
I can't say much with these scenarios and conditions. I have a idea to share. This is a match up I have been thinking of for a while. How would New Eden from Eve Online fair in a war with the full might of the Covenant during the human-covenant war and how would they affect the setting? With their region of space being reconnected with the Halo galaxy through a permanent formed wormhole. New Eden has some big military forces and there are tons of gulids and pirate groups. The native population in New Eden is huge much larger then the UNSC's. Over a estimated 144 trillion inhabitants all put together. Not exactly Holy Terra Quadrillion population sized but very a big significant population that has the manpower and industry to take on the Covenant head on and even outproduce them. I would see many Insurrectionists signing up to volunteer with the Capsuleers and the varies guilds who will be seeing business opportunities to exploits. ONI would not be able to control whatever the Capsuleers do. I would imagine the coming of the Triglavian humans with their massive mountain valley sized ark ships would cause quite a scare to ONI and the rest of the UNSC administration. Varies New Eden nations would probably want the UNSC to be vassalized or be put in a position where they wouldn't be able to stop them from doing whatever they want returning to the galaxy. If you ask me where they would rank with the Forerunners technology tier system the nations and factions of New Eden should be in between tier 2 & tier 1. Like a tier 1.6 or 1.5. Capsuleers are about as crazy, slick, cunning, and witty as Rouge Traders are normally. So they would be perhaps quite involved and like screwing over ONI and UNSC forces with their services they would provide in exchange for some high price valuables or resources. And when you have Titans and battleships the size of a city they can make the demands.
I know people quote pancreas’s arguments but he’s kinda anti 40k but I’ll address a few . In regards to plasma. Plasma in one setting doesn’t equal plasma in all settings the heat of a seraphs plasma (ghosts of onyx) is 3000 degrees Celsius the mark 12 ragefire plasma gun has a carbon adementuim ventalation alloy that has a melting radius of over 3600 degree Celsius (info via diagram on lexicunum) already imperial plasma weapons are on par with or in the vicinity of covenant vehicular plasma weapons . Also in the current setting plasma tech has been perfected and made more common thanks to belesaruis cawl the creator of the primaris marines who also created most of the primaris marines armor , weapons , gear and vehicles. Plasma isn’t even the hottest weapon the imperium has that title goes to the melta guns that burn tens of thousands of degrees centigrade and make both imperial and covenant plasma look like candles.
Is he? Well I guess going by how 40k generally is, probably. I just saw his thinking as moreso trying to like ground 40k because if you really think out things, 40k really is kinda kooky in that way if you don't suspend your beliefs. In that regard, it kinda makes it fun to think of scenarios that way. Like 40k isn't exactly human scaled than Halo is so it's kinda wonky to compare them because they have different points. The Forerunners and Ancient Humans would be like that, they're overpowered because that's kinda their point to make them seem godlike, make modern races/species seem primitive by comparison, and make the Flood a way bigger threat which it is. I have been countered against doing this since it indeed would devalue 40k to try and make it grounded, so I'm either just thinking 40k wins, or stalemate because everything else is also at stalemate against each other just like how the Tau are still alive other than having miniscule Warp presence. I've only watched his HaloHammer videos though so don't take my reading too seriously. I'm also biased towards Halo as well just because of its more grounded nature so consider that with my reading too.
I always took that line in Ghosts of Onyx as the plasma being at least 3000 degress because stating an exact temperature in the given context would feel really awkward. I'm curious where the source of Imperial plasma being 3600 degrees comes from since I've been unable to find it. What you've actually written seems to imply the melting point of the weapon is 3600 degrees, which would make sense since you don't want your weapon to become slag after firing it. Either way, how hot the projectile is less important than how much of that energy is transferred to the target. Covenant infantry plasma is better because it melts through people and vehicles with ease (often a single shot), can disintegrate infantry when overcharged, and has 0 chance to kill its operator. I'm also fairly certain that the recent addition of more stable plasma guns is only available to Asartes, with older, less stable patterns still being used everywhere else. Also, I'm pretty sure that, since the newer plasma can still overheat (and venting said heat is what harms/kills the operator) that the new plasma is still perfectly capable of killing the user, it's just slightly less likely. As for melta weapons, the Covenant doesn't have a 1:1 analog. Melta weapons are ludicrously strong, but they're also limited by having shorter range. The closest things the Covenant has to melta guns would be their fuel rods and plasma launchers. Then again, a Covenant plasma pistol can disintegrate people when overcharged.
@voidtempering8700 I'm not sure if you're talking about the Covenant or Imperium, but that makes no sense for either unless it's ship-based weapons. If the plasma were millions of degrees, it would immolate all of its surroundings upon being fired. The guns would likely melt, along with everything in a wide radius around the weapon, then everything in the projectile's path.
I'm always surprised that 40K comes out on top of these video's. The highest chance would be to land in Orc or Imperium space. Let's assume they land in Imperial space. Most of the Imperial planets do not have big fleets or defenses, but do contribute some gear, manpower and weaponry to the Imperium at large. So it should be easily capturable and offer tech and info (from the higher ups) on the Imperium. Realizing their position and where they are, they would be incentiviced to get as much resources and tech, stave off the first reinforcements, expand their own population and capabilities and leave once the Imperium proper finally comes knocking, which is likely a century or two later for smaller incursions such as this. And yes since they are in a different Galaxy they would likely relent on many of the limitations they set for themselves, such as what weapons they use for honor. Even if the Elites hold on to that ideal, races like the Grunts would not, and Grunts would due to their rapid reproduction become the backbone of the Covenant (realistically the Covenant would be ruled by the Grunts but somehow having something as interesting as that isn't allowed. Bigger and stronger means they lead!). Combined with Engineers able to take apart, understand and put things together again, they would gain access to much of the lower Imperial tech and start combining it with Covenant tech. Instead of Fuel Rods you'd see Grunts carrying a Bolter/Fuelrod hybrid into battle. Lasguns would be even scarier in the hands of Grunts who can field more people per square meter than humans etc. The Imperium arrives in force, but the Covenant already know this and use the fleet they have with as much extra capacity to get up and leave with as much resources and population as possible. As a middle finger and to prevent tech and knowledge falling in the wrong hands a few ships not commanded by Grunts stay behind for a moment and glass the planet with all Covenant and Imperial citizens that couldn't fit. Then they move to the next planet far away to shake the Crusade. If it has seemingly nothing to fight the Crusade will just dissolve. Acquiring knowledge about who the Imperium is, charts of the local space, hijacking some ships etc. While not foolproof, it would give the Covenant fleet a massive leg up. They can acquire tech and industrial capacity, hybridize it with their own and move on. Considering the power capabilities of Imperial tech, just the lasgun powerpacks alone would be ludicrously valuable, the Covenant would be able to start giving shielding to even Grunts. Even if the shielding does not regenerate, having to sacrifice a powerpack or two to absorb a potential killingblow and give more chance to fight back would be immensely dangerous, especially if the Imperium as a whole is still wondering what the Covenant is truly using due to the scorched earth policies.
This dove directly off a cliff when you said Admech would start a civil war. Just what? lmao? Why and how? Why would a slightly different shielding device that already is kind of weak compared to astartes armor suddenly make them want to start a civil war?
This was an interesting way to tackle the subject, it's less about which side would win & more so about how each 40K faction would change after gaining Covenant Tech. Would definitely be interested in a part 2 that goes over full covenant forces invading the 40k universe. Also a potential Part 3 where the covenant took control of the Halo Universe & find a way to travel to & from the 40k universe (so full covenant forces but also the continued Resources & Production of the Halo Universe) would be really interesting, though you could just do a Halo universe vs 40k universe video where for whatever reason the two universe get merged & it's a free for all with every faction.
@@MacroLore I'd say best time period for Halo would be in between Halo 3 & 4. That would give you UNSC, Sword of Sanghelios, Jul 'Mdama's Covenant & the Banished, you could also include the flood as a last defence for the Halo Universe, I imagine if any 40k universe faction was winning they would inevitably stumble across a forerunner facility & accidently unleash the flood. Also if you're going to do a free for all instead of Halo side vs 40k Side it would be interesting to see if any alliances between Halo & 40k factions would form, I could maybe see the UNSC & Swords of Sanghelios joining forces with the Tau & the Banished & the Orcs joining forces, pretty sure Mdama's Covenant wouldn't join forces with anyone & might even take advantage of the chaos to take control of forerunner facilities.
@@MacroLore you could also do just after Halo 4 which would add the Prometheans into the mix but I wouldn't go after Halo 5 as Cortanas rebellion & the events of Infinite kind of mess up the factions a bit (Jul 'Mdama's Covenant would be disbanded & both the UNSC & Swords of Sanghelios would be massively weakened).
This has got to be the most egregious lore heresy, did you study the Imperial Navy? They have voidshielded ships with a powerful arsenal of weapons, the small frigate classes are bigger than Star destroyers dude.. I don’t even think Adeptus Astartes is even needed, the Astra-Militarum has all the tools to beat the covenant without the use of titans. People misunderstood Guardsmen for cannon fodder I mean yes they are when compared to what they fight but the covenant aren’t that strong. UNSC marines are capable combatants to the covenant and let’s be honest most Guardsmen are more trained and proficient if you studied their lore. Guardsmen are an elite army, they recruit exceptional soldiers from local planetary defense forces. The IG is an elite expeditionary army and more often then not they beat Daemons, Chaos Space Marines, Orks, Tyranids, Tau, and Eldar all on their own. (Of course at a heavy cost) However that’s due to the superhuman nature of these enemies and the warp. Covenant has no answer to Psykers either btw and the guard uses gamma ranked sanctioned psykers in the guard, I just don’t see where you guys are coming from. You thought Scorpion tanks were bad news wait until you see a baneblade with all its different variants, some of which one shot scarabs. The covenant just wouldn’t be able to overwhelm since the Guardsmen will outnumber them, there really isn’t any clear advantages other than Elites, Brutes, Hunters, and Jackal snipers but these aren’t anything as bad as what they’ve already fought and beaten. They’re just less impressive forms of different things in 40k, like I said a squad of UNSC marines/ODST can contest ground with covenant. This will be mitigated quite well with superior numbers, more firepower, and Psykers. The elites of the guard will supplement the main forces like Kasykryn commandos, Tempestus Scions, abhuman Ogryns, Lucien Blacks, Catachan Jungle fighters. Anyone who doesn’t know what these are, do the research and you’ll understand the covenant are truly outmatched before we even think to consider bringing Adeptus Astartes, Titan legions, Cult Mechanicus, Sisters of Battle, Sisters of Silence, Inquisition, Custodes, or Officio Assassins into the conversation.
Oh no one has done this scenario too. How would the Galactic Empire from Asimov's Foundation series would fair against the Warhammer 40k galaxy if their realms merged and connected their galaxies together but with a twist. The humans of Foundation have no connection to the Warp and won't be corrupted physically with mutations. The Galactic Empire of Foundation have a large population of almost quintillion inhabitants. At the very least it's estimated to be 500 quadrillion. And they have more then 25 million worlds in their dominion. The Foundation is one of those established indepthly designed worlds where the galactic demographic population is enough to rival both the Warhammer 40k and the Star Wars Expanded Universe galaxy in large scope numbers. In the Foundation series FTL is also called Hyperspace and they have some pretty good logistical feats to maintaining their Empire and some sciences to back it up. I am not exactly sure how you would compare and rank them to Dark Age of Technology level or Ancient Humanity Halo level but they indeed made themselves a galactic powerhouse whose logistics is a whole lot better and faster then the Imperium of Man.
@@nobleman9393 I know of some of the Foundation Series Empires capabilities. I know they have a mass industry, I know they have a large sum of weaponry and assets, and I know they have a huge population that allows them to field a mass amount of manpower that can fight the Imperium of Man and Galactic Republic at the same time. And I know they have some pretty advance and powerful computing experience but I don't pretend like I know everything as I rarely seen people discuss much of their strengths, military, galactic navy, and super weapons or how they are deployed. I am new to the series and I don't know everything about them other then they extremely powerful galactic power. Not to the same extent of hyper advance technology of say the Forerunners or the Culture but strong enough to leave their mark as a powerful force in Sci fi. If you can provide some good examples of what their military power and weaponry is like that would be real nice.
@@MacroLore 25 million inhabited planets is indeed a pretty big geographic space advantage to pull resources and create production facilities then the Star Wars and Warhammer 40k galaxies combines by a good many times over. Especially with a population 500 quadrillion to potentially 1 quintillion.
That's ok I haven't played the game but in the lore and spoiler alert just in case. Their badasses that are willing to risk their lives to the universe from thier version of a evil old one.
Oh man been waiting for this the Warhammer community is going to flip when most factions just get spanked out right.I'm incredibly disappointed in this vid this guy clearly knows very little about Halo I was hopping for a fair or at least acurate vid the Empire of man has brod side cannons for god sakes🙄Truths fleet would be a nightmare to deal with Covenant technology is way to advanced Ill let someone who knows Halo to explain more if there here.
It seems like you didn't even watch the video went way over your head. It's about the different narrative branches. You also forget the Imperium is willing to throw a piece of irreplaceable archaeotech to kill something. This is a small fleet. I'm sorry your halo knowledge doesn't understand the difference between the prophet of regret, and the prophet of truth
