Imperium: FOR THE EMPEROR, THE ONLY GOD THERE IS! Covenant: FOR THE FORERUNNERS, THE ONLY GODS THERE ARE! *Universe proceeds to explode as chaos itself cannot handle the zealotry*
Thing is, the state in which the covenant face the flood, the flood was never at full strength, it was always possible to contain the flood as their intelligence scales with the more mass they acquire, so the flood on a small scale can be contained to some degree. But the nids already have a galaxy worth of biomass at this point.
Of these options I think the Covenant assimilating the Tau is the most narratively interesting. Sure very little changes in the galaxy but it allows the Covenant more opportunities to narratively interact with the other factions without things just ending then and there.
Covenant Glassing is pretty good and convenient for some situations like localized bombardment that isn't planetary wide destruction of the surface. Have a problem with Ork spore infestation or Feral Tyranids on a world spread across multiple mountain valleies, ranges, cave systems, or varies areas of a continent and don't want to ruin of materials just have some localized glassings for the area. It saves time and effort for less total annihilation of the surface. Since planet bound Tyranid bioforms have small life spans of like a day or a few days if you cut off their access to food and leave them isolated where they can't get out they will starve and die from old age. So that is a localized problem a swarm like the Zerg or a parasitic eldritch infestation like the Flood do not have to deal with when it comes to their ground base footsoldiers. I wonder how well the Covenant and UNSC would fair against the Yuuzhan Vong invasion from the Star Wars Expanded Universe.
Yuuzhan Vong (Star wars) Fleet: Over 20,000 capital ships consisting of a few dozen- a little over 100 world ships(10-120km), destroyer analogs(850m+), frigate analogs(150-440m), corvette analogs(122-315m), and assault ships(800m+). Warriors: Millions Thralls/Slaves: 10s of millions-Billions War beasts: 80,000- 10s of millions Territory: Few dozen- a little over 100 world ships Technology: The yuuzhan vong make use of various organic technologies engineered by their shaper caste. The Yuuzhan vong have an organic counterpart to almost every inorganic device. Yammosk served as telekinetic semi-sentient coordinators and jammers. Dovin basals manipulate gravity, serving as shields(by making a singularity), ftl, and tractor beams. They are even used in smashing moons into planets. They had luminescent insects that mimicked holograms to visualize battlefields and creatures for long distance communication. Ooglith masquers, biosuits allowed yuuzhan vong to appear as members of other species. A traiter vong enhanced her human adoptive daughter to be able to snap a stormtrooper's arm, and rip their spines/heads off. She herself could throw a stormtrooper through a stone or marble column. It's possible this is just how powerful the vong are but even a burly warrior is significantly inferior in strength to a wookie so doubtful. Although even a female vong warrior, or shaper was able to give maul a good fight(He was unarmed and didn't directly use the force). They also had terraforming technology which when used on a world mutated it's native inhabitants. Weapons: The main weapon plasma cannons that fired flaming rocks are molten slag(Range of 5-60km. A corvette sized fireball(Likely fired from a worldship) vaporized forty floors of a residential tower and blasted the walls out of three adjacent buildings. Magma bombs were used as concussion missiles. Singularity mines generated mini blackholes crushing its victims into molecule nuggets. Only the most experienced or expendable warriors were given them. There were explosive flying insects that homed in on targets, flammable fire jelly grenades, and daggered beetles that served as throwing stars/Boomerangs(There was an explosive variant). Most common weapons were their serpent amphistaff. The serpent could generate an electric field that helped cut through flesh and armor easily. It could also spit venom and casually tank lightsaber blows. The staff had regenerative properties. It's only weakness was extreme blunt force trauma. Warriors: Yuuzhan vong warriors are naturally taller and stronger than humans and do not fear death. Their vonduun crab armor was practically immune to blaster fire, lightsabers, and slug throwers. Some variants improved physical capabilities like strength. Nothing short of a fighter's laser cannons could penetrate. Slaves/Thralls: The enslaved chazrach were humanoid reptilians originating from the yuuzhan vong galaxy. They have no free will and are bred to be killing machines. They carry inferior dagger like serpents and spears. Implanters inject surge corals into their victims after disrupting their nervous system with their appendages. The victims become pain burdened thralls with increased strength and durability. Both are controlled by thrall herders. Once those are destroyed they scatter and go feral. Warbeasts: Thrall herders are nearly 10 meter tall beetles with thousands of feet armed with plasma cannons and dovin basals. Fire breathers were ten meter tall heavy support beasts that spewed gelatinous flame and released an anti laser defensive cloud. Its hide could withstand anything up until a turbolaser. Voxyn were bred to hunt jedi. They spat toxic Mucus, flesh-eating acid, stunned prey with sonic blasts, harbored a hundred retroviruses, and their blood became a gaseous neurotoxin in most kinds of air. They could also sense force sensitives. Rakamats are six-legged armored monsters the size of krayt dragons, with plating a foot thick, and plasma cannons and dovin basals implanted along its spine. And it has a control room and troop compartment in its belly. They can also produce a pair of 10-14 meter tall worms/serpents that attack technology. There were also hives of shockepedes and many more creatures under their control.
Covenant capital ships get one shot by Orbital defense platforms firing the Super MAC MkV rounds which travels at a velocity of 12,000km per second which is roughly 3% the speed of light. The Imperial navy boasts Macro-Cannons that fire skyscraper sized ordinance at the speed of 120,000-160,000km per second which is mach 300, almost the speed of light. Dual cyclonic torpedos can crack planets open, and Nova-Cannons fire torrents of warp rifts tearing open the fabric of reality. The covenant is going to get absolutely shit stomped every engagement where glassing couldn’t even be possible, and the Astra-Militarum has an answer to everything on the ground without ever needing the help of Adeptus Astartes or any other elite branch of the Imperium. All the advantages the Covenant had on the UNSC is gone, land based Macro-Batteries and Titans would shoot covenant ships down if the Imperial navy didn’t get to them first.
This is some god-tier Covenant wanking, The Orbital defense platforms use Super-MAC mkV cannons that one shot covenant capital ships and those fire at a velocity of 12,000km per second which is calculated 3% the speed of light. The standard Macro-cannon on IoM cruisers and battleships fires skyscraper sized ordinance at a velocity of 120,000km-160,000km per second or mach 300. Given that IoM ships are voidshielded this effectively takes away any advantage the covenant had over the UNSC navy. When you look at feats like dual cyclonic torpedos cracking planets wide open, and the Nova-Cannons firing torrents of warp rifts which is basically just deleting anything it hits because you’re effectively tearing apart reality. It’s not a contest in space, I understand Forerunner and flood to be very strong but those are existential threats that the Covenant and UNSC have no hope beating, if the UNSC infinity can wipe covenant ships then your average IoM Cruiser-Battleship can wipe a fleet of Infinities. The Imperium of man may seem degenerate and not willing to innovate but they’re actually really advanced and they recover technology from ancient humanity which is the zenith of human innovation in 40k. They find technology and learn how to make them, that’s how it works but that doesn’t mean they’re not advanced. Glassing is so mediocre compared to exterminatus and on the ground they cannot hope for victory even against the Astra-Militarum.
I think you fail to recall the Necron device that allows the Silent king to pick any location in the Galaxy , push a button and its destroyed. Cant wait for the Covenant to conquer and settle worlds and have them explode with the covenant having absolutely NO idea how its happening over and over.
I’m guessing your gonna do the covenant with high charity vs different sections of the imperium tbh agri worlds and lightly defended worlds would be glassed but the 500 worlds of ultramar (or realm of ultramar) would hold their own really really Good since logistics are so much easier to handle there than in the rest of the imperium there’s far less corruption and a ton of its worlds especially macragge would be heavily defended. As far as the solar system the covenant can’t hope to take it as it’s the home of not just 1 but 3 powers in the galaxy the imperium (terra) , the mechanicus (mars) and the gray nights (titan) with maybe thousands to hundreds of ships defending the solar system at any one time .
As much as I find some of scenarios intriguing I do question some jugdements made especially about the Covenant be unable to fight Demons back. Especially if they are living beings who are not connected to the Warp at all which is something I would do. For another subject could the Koprulu Sector of Starcraft after the events of Starcraft 2 where they have new bigger heavily firepower equipment and stronger ships could the Zerg, Terrans, and Protoss factions defeat Hive Tendril Behemoth followed by Hive Tendril Kraken arriving twelve years after Behemoth on the time table? Since Terran FTL is pretty good in long distance travels able to get travel like over 60,000 light years from earth in a month or two including a military expedition able to travel there in a short amount of time in Starcraft Brood War I think the Terrans, Zerg, and Protoss have a advantage over Hive Tendril Behemoth in speed travel and should be able to create and develop better tactics and strageies to counter the brute force nature of Hivefleet Behemoth and work together to distract Behemoth's varies hiveships and run rings around them. By the time Kraken arrives it's going to take some time for it to eventually get to the Koprulu Sector and reinforce the Behemoth force which are being slowly worn down by the alliance'e tactics. Though many worlds would be consumed. I think the Zerg would have to evacuate from Char if Behemoth deploys in full force and Korhal would have to be evacuated too while at the same time heavily fortified. Hivefleet Kraken's spread out tactics would be another situation which the Protoss would have to deal with.
@MacroLore I could go either way, honestly, I just lean toward them being more like the Tau andvearly humanity: souls don't have much Warp presence so Chaos has basically no influence. Though you could also argue that the more faithful of the Covenant's forces wouldn't fall to Chaos, similar to those who are part of the Imperial Cult. At least outside of weird Chaos plagues that just go "no, you're going into a blood rage now."
Hopefully you do a part 3 on the flood cuz I would love to see them go against the league of votan and see if the logic plague can be used to corrupt their AI
Good video. While I disagree with a few points, I think you're overall correct on this. Most of the things I differ on are semantic speculation anyways. Keep up the good work!
You do realize imperium ships have void shields right? Which outclass anything the covenant ships have. The firepower they have also blows whatever the covenant have out of the water easily. In fact I doubt the covenant can even crack void shields. Meaning their only hope would be to run away or get blown up in two shots.
@@stubbornspaceman7201 Yea, this and the last video the guy was talking like the covenant ships and tech would be a complete and utter gamechanger for most of the 40k factions. Maybe in Halo the covenant ships outclass the UNSC navy but in 40k they would get smoked, easily too. The only advantage the covenant would possess in space combat is their ability to travel FTE quickly, safely and precisely compared to warp travel. That's it, in an actual battle they get smoked. Hard. Another point that stood out to me was him saying Battlefleet solar would lose or take losses even against a small covenant battle group. LMAO I doubt they would take significant losses even against the main highcharity battlegroup. It would be a turkey shoot for the imperial navy. Same applies to the tau and Eldar, i'm sure their navies outclass the covenant significantly enough to negate the local number advantage the high charity battle group would have.
@@FirstCitizenXIV Heck from what remember the defenses in Sol are so immense that when a necron fleet detected it, *they turned and went the other way*.
Do you guys think nurgle can integrate the flood also how would the flood integrate the tyranid the hivemind and their biomass would it superevolve the flood?
Nurgle cant, the Flood is a parasite not a living being or sickness, and if the Flood manages to infect one tyranid lifeform its over for the Hive and if the Hive is infected, welp, the rings would be needed.
@@nosense8744Nurgle is the god of all diseases, including parasitic infestations. That and he is insanely more powerful than the entirety of the precursor civilization.
@@nosense8744wait yeah wouldn’t the flood immediately gain access to the entirety of the hive mind’s intelligence by taking over a tyranid and if not certainly any synapse creature or even something like the swarm lord would give the flood full access to the hive minds knowledge
From the first part i don't think you gave the drones enough credit as they were in both a military role and logistics and where good at it only species that beat them was the engineers
I made sure to give the drones more credit. On part 1 I had someone comment that the drones are first and foremost mechanics/armorers outside of combat. It may not sound like it, but I do have a great respect for the Yan'me
Before I say anything else I want to remind you of the scene in halo 2 (or maybe 3) where master chief hijacks a covenant battle cruiser and throws it back at the covenant. We have also established that a space marine is roughly as powerful as chief (slightly slower but bigger and stronger while being harder to kill). You said that the high fleet of the covenant if it appeared by high terra in 40k high terra would be glassed. I doubt this. I think if the fleets around high terra started losing the imperium of man would rely on their trump card and invade the ships with astartes. If one spartan can do it then several hundred astartes would definitely be able to. Warhammers ground and infantry warfare are nuts even when their ships suck. Astartes are also adept at space warfare (SPACE Marines). I really don't think invading holy Terra would turn out well for the covenant. Unironically I think them spawning outside the solar system gives them a better chance because their ships are faster and they can get away to build up and attack another day.
It also amuses me to think what would flash through the prophets minds when terra sends the astartes aboard their ships. I assume it would be something like "oh my lord you've been using one of them to run a crusade on us for like 30 years and you've been keeping the rest hidden? Why?"
Can psykers and demons even effect something thats not from there own galaxy?Honeslty I dont like how you compare Demons to the Flood high charity had a civil war at the time it feel and its defenses where taken off line,when the flood came there where corpses everywhere wasnt exactly hard to infect.If the Emperium can take on Demons and hold there own I really dont see how the Covenant couldn't do the same just cause they never fought them before specially in a closed space.
After listening to these videos i started wondering how the daleks from doctor who would do if they were sent into the world of 40k especally if it was something like the fleet that attacked galifrey which according to the doctor had like a billion billion daleks which should mean a quintillion and since theres 2000 daleks on each ship that would be 500 trillion ships lol i like doctor who
@@MacroLore yes it is at first i thought it was hyperbole or something until i remembered it was said by the war doctor who fought in the last Great time war and i dont think he would say something like that if he wasnt serieous. There are smaller fleets aswell such as the 200 ship with half a million daleks during the parting of ways episode
Daleks created the reality bomb, which would have destroyed every universe, timeline, and dimension and created a shelter to protect themselves from it. They were in a time war throughout space and time for over 400 years. They had over 10 million ships with gigaton level firepower, with virtually impenetrable shields, and a basic dalek can level an apartment building, with one shot at full power. Stomp
Mass Effects Universe isn’t very powerful, while they use similar tech to the UNSC I think the UNSC at it’s peak is still more powerful & they don’t stand a chance against the covenant let alone the flood. Biotics are a bit of a wild card but I don’t think they make a significant difference. The Protheans or Reapers might be a bit more interesting but even then the Reapers still take a lot of casualties from unified Citadel space so I don’t think they’re going to win many match ups. Still would definitely be down to watch watch those videos.
I know. I just want this topic more delved into on RU-vid to counter the online narratives on places like space battles where they think Mass Effect has a chance on an apples to apples basis.
@@VunderGuy ironically I think Citadel Space has a much better chance when it comes to ground battles against the UNSC (or even the covenant), but it’s Space Battles where they would really struggle.
Im going to go ahead and ask a question i doubt anyone would ever ask. How would the Web from Hyperion do if it found itself suddenly in the 40k universe? They never get too specific but everything sounds really advanced. The Web has instant portal technolgy that can be used by ships or literally in you home linking it to another home on another planet. The also have traditional high speed ship travel between stars with time dilation. They powerful AI. Then there is the Shrike. Its basically an invincible serial killer that has some ability to control time. Edit: There is also another faction of Humanity called the Ousters that creep around in between and around the Web and their technology is pretty spectacular as well.
@MacroLore The Hyperion Shrike. It's a teleporting, time controlling, serial killing entity that goes around Hyperion capturing people and pinning them to the Thorn Tree. The people on the Thorn Tree never die. They just wiggle around in agony for all eternity. I'm new to 40k so maybe 40k has one of those too.
First scenario sol becomes a new eye of terror no absolute no if that was the case, then that would happen in the war of the beast no this is just clearly Warhammer bashing
@@MacroLore it was moon and when it comes to the orks thousands of ships is most definitely a possibility And second where do you get the idea that the covenant invading sol is somehow going to create a new eye of terror
It’s interesting that the Covenant would have enough firepower to win most of the initial battles but not enough to win the wars (besides the Tau & Orcs).
@@MacroLore Are you interested in doing a UNSC vs Citadel Space video, I saw another comment suggesting Halo vs Mass Effect Videos & while I think Mass effects universe can’t really compete with Halo, I think the UNSC specifically are actually somewhat evenly matched with Citadel Space so that could be a very interesting video.
@@MacroLore how familiar are you with Mass Effect? A good baseline is to listen/read all of the in game Codex entries, they go over how Mass Effect Technology works & the Structure of the Council Races & their militaries. Mass Effect’s books are very Narrative driven so they won’t be that useful for comparing universe strength. If you haven’t played the games I would recommend watching the Battle of the Citadel from the first game, the intro & Suicide mission from the second game. The third game has a lot more battles & especially with non human militaries so most of its cutscenes would be good. Other than that a lot of the equipment/abilities (especially biotics) is shown in gameplay.
@@MacroLore there’s also a booklet that came with the collectors edition of the first game called “Galactic Codex: Essentials Edition 2183” which might be useful, you can probably find a digital scan of it online. There’s also “The Art of the Mass Effect Trilogy: Expanded Edition”, unlike the other art books this one says it has commentary from the devs which could be somewhat useful. Unfortunately unlike Halo Mass Effect doesn’t have an Encyclopaedia or compendium.
A fact is that the Covenant will just become a Tau 2.0 but with meele, they would be effective agaisnt Orks and Tyranids but agaisnt other Faction? I doubt it.
The Covenant would, realistically, just become another faction within the wider universe of 40k. They'd literally just be T'au 2.0 like you said. Although they have technology that far outstrips a lot of what the T'au have, along with a much larger military presence and overall territory. They'd do well enough, though wouldn't be conquering the galaxy anytime soon, that's for sure.
@@stubbornspaceman7201 The Covenant have far superior FTL, better ship-based weapons and more durable ships, their standard infantry weapons are more powerful, and infantry with personal shielding technology. The Tau would fare similar to the UNSC: possible to win on the ground, but lose miserably in space. After a few planets were glassed, the Water Caste would likely be sent to negotiate surrender.
@@TheLegend-ff8ty The only thing you got right is better FTL and maybe personal shields. But Tau ship based railguns, gravitic launchers, and ion cannons are superior, tau weapons are noted to have superior range to imperial ship weapons. And really the tau standard infantry rifle the pulse rifle has superior range and firepower to covenant plasma pistols and rifles it would be considered a sniper rifle by other races do to its effective range (which has been calced to be 3km). And just so you know tau ship shields don’t operate like standard sci-fi shields. They are a byproduct of the ships gravitic drive and don’t “go down” like other shields, they need to be overpowered. As always you show that you are bias towards halo.
@@TheLegend-ff8ty And glassing worlds? Good luck a proper tau world has orbital defense weapons that would make the ODPs of the UNSC look like a peashooter. You are as always vastly overestimating the covenant.
No. Forerunners had a base level understanding of neural physics. They also consumed entire universes on a regular basis. Remember also that the forerunners from 100,000 years ago are a shell of their former selves
@@MacroLore go check every necron vs forerunner thread on space battles look at the sci fi tier list also check necron and c’tan feat thread what ever forerunners can do necrons can do better
@@MacroLore necrons have over 20 forms of ftl methods and create there own dimensions they have the ghost wind which is the opposite of the warp. They have access to glass dimension of universe that could of been. Your not up to date on necron lore are you?
Unless the covenant has full powered fourunner teck or created there own god like what some the tau have they getting clapped i cant see them galssing million plus worlds
When you go into the lore of covenant and their weapons, the covenant at their height are surprisingly Bs in power enough to even go toe to toe with the imperium in the ground warfare and perhaps even space. Covenant weapons are no joke and a lot more powerful than the games give them credit for
