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The Curious Case of Counterpart Cards! 

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@JanjoZone
@JanjoZone Месяц назад
Which counterpart card is your favorite?
@JanjoZone
@JanjoZone Месяц назад
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@PrinciaInk
@PrinciaInk Месяц назад
LaMoon/Dark Witch/PenduLuMoon
@chos7631
@chos7631 Месяц назад
Maybe it's a bias, for me it's the Chaos counterparts; The Chaos Creator, Chaos Mirage Dragon, Chaos Grepher, etc.
@JanjoZone
@JanjoZone Месяц назад
@@chos7631 They are pretty cool!
@dragonmaster613
@dragonmaster613 Месяц назад
Reminds me of old JRPGs where half the enemy sprites were just palette swaps of others fought earlier in the game
@JanjoZone
@JanjoZone Месяц назад
@@dragonmaster613 True!
@NecromancyForKids
@NecromancyForKids Месяц назад
Love some counterpart cards. Wretched Ghost of the Attic is probably the most iconic besides the #1 and #2 cards.
@JanjoZone
@JanjoZone Месяц назад
@@NecromancyForKids Attic Ghost is up there for me too!
@Billy_Wyatt
@Billy_Wyatt Месяц назад
I really like the early vanilla counterparts. Those are my favorite because a lot of them are included in the videogame Yu-Gi-Oh forbidden memories.
@JanjoZone
@JanjoZone Месяц назад
A lot to love!
@NecromancyForKids
@NecromancyForKids Месяц назад
I can understand people thinking that the counterpart cards are lazy, and I'm not going to argue that they're super creative, but at least they still got unique artwork (pose-wise and color-wise in most cases) and unique lore, and hey, you can create interconnected lore for yourself based on the fact that they're similar (though I wish Konami did this themselves). It is a lot more excusable that they used them early on, too, since it is hard to churn out that many cards and still be wholly original. Lots of other monster franchises have done the same, like Yokai Watch, and even Pokemon is recycling their monsters at this point despite having far fewer than Yu-Gi-Oh!
@cosmefulanito5052
@cosmefulanito5052 Месяц назад
Lore? I wouldn't call "This monster has razor sharp claws to shred enemies" lore.
@christiancinnabars1402
@christiancinnabars1402 Месяц назад
I still wish they got a bit more going than just [monster name] no. 2. Palette swap enemies were and still are a common theme in JRPGs, and were pretty much guaranteed to appear in late 90s RPGs with that era's limited cartridge space (to the point where I'm surprised Pokemon _didn't_ throw a couple palette swaps into the mix in Gen 1 - although shared audio was very well a thing in those games), so Yugioh getting a slice of that pie is excusable and in a way feels almost nostalgic at least for me. But with how many games had enemy sequences like "Wolf," "Dire Wolf," and "Monster Wolf," it makes me wish Yugioh followed suit for all their no. 2 cards. Dark Elf and Wretched Ghost of the Attic are some of my favorite early Yugioh cards idea-wise, and that would have definitely not been the case if they were Mystical Elf no. 2 or Kuriboh no. 2 instead. Winged Dragon, Guardian of the Fortress no. 2 could have been Flying Wyvern, Guardian of the Fortress to fit its Japanese name and its lack of having the Dragon type. Steel Ogre Grotto could have been Alloy Ogre Grotto to mirror it being a bit stronger. And so on.
@Magnet_Chaos
@Magnet_Chaos Месяц назад
Yacine656's are is really not doing the cards any favors.
@NecromancyForKids
@NecromancyForKids Месяц назад
@@christiancinnabars1402 Yeah they probably should have given them different names in the TCG, though as you see they did have different names in the OCG
@Zetact_
@Zetact_ Месяц назад
Wattkid's name was reverted because it is a part of the "Watt" archetype. Not something you'd ever want to run in Watt, but it is, so they changed the name. This has been done for a lot of older cards that are just given a parentheses that specifies if they're part of a different archetype, like all the various Archfiend cards that were printed and given different names before "Archfiend" was an archetype. I think that those are becoming more standard for reprints nowadays, and usually an archetype condition is done I feel like it's because it allows the card to keep an iconic name while addressing it in the archetype. Cards like Summoned Skull, Axe of Despair, Chimera the Flying Mythical Beast or Cyber-Stein are so iconic that a name change seems like it would be wrong whereas changing the name of some random card like Kinetic Soldier or Harpie's Brother or, in this case, Oscillo Hero #2, are more "who really would care if the name is altered?"
@Lucario1121
@Lucario1121 Месяц назад
My favorite of the name change has to be what they did to Harpie's Brother, where Konami didn't want him around the "family" for say, so they completely changed his name to Sky Scot, does removing him from any of the Harpie support out there. Or a more recent one is that that Equip card Rafael used for his Eatos apparently also doubles as a Noble Arms card, even though it makes no sense to put that card in a deck like that
@Zetact_
@Zetact_ Месяц назад
@@Lucario1121 It's not really for no reason, it's that the TCG and OCG need to maintain consistent card interactions, the OCG being the head of the card game gets to decide what is or isn't part of certain archetypes. Harpie's Brother isn't as silly but the Noble Arms and Noble Knights cards are pretty ridiculous. They were TCG exclusive cards so not intended to be retroactively applied to cards like Celestial Sword - Eatos but when they were imported to the OCG they were given the title of "Holy Knight" and "Holy Sword" which made some OCG cards need to be marked or imported as part of the "Noble Knight" or "Noble Arms" archetypes. One of the weirdest cases is Celtic Guard of Noble Arms since that's a real mess of names. "Celtic Guardian" was how the TCG localized "Elf Swordsman" and the name was never relevant until Celtic Guard of Noble Arms made "Elf Swordsman" (in the OCG) into an archetype which made the TCG need to use "Celtic Guard" but in a weird case this time the OCG needed to mark Celtic Guard of Noble Arms as a "Celtic Guard" monster (or rather, they needed "Elf Holy Swordsman" to specify that it counts as an "Elf Swordsman" monster) while the TCG didn't. And the use of "Celtic Guard" rather than "Celtic Guardian" is also a localization weirdness because Arsenal Summoner specifies that "Guardian" is an archetype so because of this singular support card for a horrible archetype nobody actually uses they can't use the very common word of "Guardian" unless the OCG has already used it in a card name. EDIT: oh right principug also supports "Guardian"... For some reason
@dragon-id5uj
@dragon-id5uj Месяц назад
Great and insightful comment that allows me to save time not typing it up myself, while simultaneously satisfying my weirdo brain's requirement of ensuring this clarification is available to all who are curious. Thank you for your service lol
@KenichiSmith
@KenichiSmith Месяц назад
There are actually exactly 100 of the original color swapped clone monsters, they were all introduced in Duel Monsters 2 for the gbc and they're all based on cards that existed in the first Duel Monsters game. You'd think they would be just color swaps in the game like how videogames normally use color swapped characters, but since the game is also compatible with the game boy monochrome, the color swaps still needed to have different artwork from their counterparts. But they were still probably created to inflate the number of cards in the game (The game has 700 cards compared to 350 in the original)
@KenichiSmith
@KenichiSmith Месяц назад
Another fun fact... Wolf and Silver Fang are not part of this set, as they're both in DM1, and, they actually look different! And they're the same color too. They're also functionally identical and completely redundant. I mention this not because they appear in this video but because I also thought they were counterparts until I looked things up.
@danielkaragic7057
@danielkaragic7057 Месяц назад
I love the earliest zombies, that bonz used! Especially dragon zombie is an alltime favourite of mine
@JanjoZone
@JanjoZone Месяц назад
They're pretty cool!
@maliksmith9003
@maliksmith9003 Месяц назад
So you're telling me he already had a whole ahh name, but Konami decided to just rebrand him as Little D?
@JanjoZone
@JanjoZone Месяц назад
@@maliksmith9003 Its OCG name translates to Baby T-Rex, so it's not too far off all things considered
@maliksmith9003
@maliksmith9003 Месяц назад
@@JanjoZone and that makes it better 😭
@polocatfan
@polocatfan Месяц назад
oscillo hero #2 was changed because it's a watt card.
@TiagoODuelista
@TiagoODuelista Месяц назад
In duelist of the Roses, a few of these counterparts got flip effects to boost the other one, like Larvas buffing Mon Larvas, or Sonic Maid with Hibikimi.
@JanjoZone
@JanjoZone Месяц назад
@@TiagoODuelista They added some cool details about them!
@Masahane
@Masahane Месяц назад
The archetype implications of some of these cards further the question of why they didn't just put the archetype next to the card type like they did with toons, spirits, and Geminis. So many headaches would've been saved
@Zetact_
@Zetact_ Месяц назад
Ultimately it would end up causing problems as well, as it would facilitate either an absurd amount of forward planning or numerous reprints just to gather archetypal modifiers. An obvious example is HERO - the TCG did not expect to need to change "Hero" to "HERO" because at initial release they were only Elemental HERO cards. The earliest card to my knowledge that referenced "HERO" as a distinct archetype rather than separating it into Elemental and Destiny variants was Elemental HERO Stratos, released in the OCG in 2008. Prior to that, even the OCG may not have known if they wanted to make cards that would support both of the sub-archetypes and if every archetype was to be given a tag this wouldn't really work. Either they would need to have the unified "HERO" tag and specify archetypal connections anyway by specifying ("Elemental" HERO monster) or they would need to make tags for every archetype they're a part of, and be aware of how many tags they might put on a card. It's easier to just use the name as a marker for an archetype since those parts of a card are not going to change. The issue of unintentional archetype members is only really a thing in the TCG where their early localizations forced addressing the OCG's names. The only time it really was silly was when the Noble Knights cards got localized to the OCG as "Holy Knight" and "Holy Sword" which forced some newer TCG cards to change their names to put them as part of the "Noble Knights" or "Noble Arms" lines. Otherwise, the TCG tends to be more dedicated to noticing when the OCG is making a specific naming convention and sticking with it in the localization, as well as making sure that they aren't overlapping with some random old card. And you'd have a sort of "reverse Frog the Jam" conundrum for a lot of decks. There are many cards that didn't initially start as an archetype and later were made into one - cards like Resonators, Penguins, or even something as ubiquitous as Blue-Eyes were not directly given support as archetypes until many years after their initial releases. To use Penguin as an example because it has the most volume of old cards. The first card that made Penguin into an archetype was The Great Emperor Penguin, released in 2011. All that you really needed to drop in its set was the monster itself. If you wanted to give each archetype a text box tag you would have had to reprint the extremely old five Penguin (Bolt, Flying, Knight, Soldier, Nightmare) monsters in addition to The Great Emperor Penguin just to give them a tag.
@Pancakes4everyone42
@Pancakes4everyone42 Месяц назад
As someone who grew up on RPGs, I like Yu-Gi-Oh's early palette swaps. They gave them different poses instead of recolouring the art, and I have a soft spot for Thunder Kid, King Jungle B Dragon, and Twin-headed Thunder Dragon cos of how useful they were in Dark Duel Stories and Forbidden Memories
@drooprtroopr6969
@drooprtroopr6969 Месяц назад
5:01 Ghattic isn't the only Memento that has a counterpart in its original form. Mace is originally Key Mace which has the counterpart Key Mace #2 and Angwitch is originally Fairy Witch which has the counterpart Witch's Apprentice.
@RunicSigils
@RunicSigils Месяц назад
All of them except the king cards are new versions of old cards. They were essentially dead monsters that the king of the underworld breathed new life into
@scottriddell3514
@scottriddell3514 29 дней назад
I really adored those when in childhood and to say the least those monster cards had a brother and sister ring to them like the ying and yang
@joetokyo1158
@joetokyo1158 Месяц назад
Fun fact about man-eating black shark. The artwork for both it and great white are ripped from the manga in the yugi vs pegasus vhs duel. Yugi summons great white and that panel is used for great white artwork. Then when yugi battle's pegasus monster,the panel shows the artwork for man eating black shark.
@JanjoZone
@JanjoZone Месяц назад
Yep!
@williamholtzclaw3029
@williamholtzclaw3029 Месяц назад
Sangan is also arguably a kuribo (クリボー) variant, with his design and Japanese name kuritta (クリッター) being VERY similar, the only real difference is a third eye and one syllable in his name
@dueltimer
@dueltimer Месяц назад
Never realized there were so many counterpart cards
@JanjoZone
@JanjoZone Месяц назад
And plenty more too!
@yawg691
@yawg691 Месяц назад
Hitodenchak's acid can melt almost anything, tho!
@valutaatoaofunknownelement197
@valutaatoaofunknownelement197 Месяц назад
Did you make the Red Baron counterpart, Janjo?
@Sanguivore
@Sanguivore Месяц назад
It actually looked pretty cool!
@JanjoZone
@JanjoZone Месяц назад
@@valutaatoaofunknownelement197 Yep that was me!
@valutaatoaofunknownelement197
@valutaatoaofunknownelement197 Месяц назад
@@JanjoZone Quite a damn good palette swap and lore for a vanilla counterpart.
@JanjoZone
@JanjoZone Месяц назад
@@valutaatoaofunknownelement197 thanks!
@dragon-id5uj
@dragon-id5uj Месяц назад
Yeah I was gonna leave a comment on how on-point it is, but I'll just dogpile on here. Dark Baron goes hard AF lol!
@lovethyenemies6702
@lovethyenemies6702 Месяц назад
Hey! I remember these buggers from the old yugioh games on gba. Some of these I never picked up on like Takuhee/Faith Bird & Tomozaurus/Little D
@JanjoZone
@JanjoZone Месяц назад
Yep! A lot of them in there!
@GokaiPlatinum
@GokaiPlatinum Месяц назад
Wattkid apparently technically belongs to the Watt archetype.
@jaredwilliams1031
@jaredwilliams1031 Месяц назад
Some of the counterparts were kinda 😎
@scottriddell3514
@scottriddell3514 29 дней назад
6:28 what yugioh should of been to revamp thier early game content
@miloscarapic4502
@miloscarapic4502 Месяц назад
You mentioned a lot of old cards here but long time ago i saw one pretty old card from which was inspiracion for whole archetyp, the cards name if i am not wrong is ancient jar i think that was card that made konami start with jar archetyp, but whenever i try to search out for card often there are no results, so if you know can you tell me real name of card?
@JanjoZone
@JanjoZone Месяц назад
@@miloscarapic4502 Sounds like Ancient Jar
@miloscarapic4502
@miloscarapic4502 Месяц назад
Thanks.
@D-Havoc
@D-Havoc Месяц назад
I don't see the counterpart artworks as lazy or simply being unoriginal. But the localization names most certainly are as a lot of these cards' ocg name meanings do enough to distinguish the cards from each other while the TCG just put a "#2" after rewriting their names along with creating archetype ruling nightmares. I also don't count Toon or Zombie versions as lazy since the purpose of those cards are to have a physical representation of the transformation the original versions go through with Toon World and manga Call of the Haunted.
@krisrk1
@krisrk1 Месяц назад
Missed opportunity to plug in Janjo Region as your counterpart.
@JanjoZone
@JanjoZone Месяц назад
This was made before that haha
@TheSonOfRyan
@TheSonOfRyan Месяц назад
You seem to really underestimate how much effort drawing something from "a different angle" Those are new artworks, it's not like they just rotated a 3d model. Honestly this video is so disrespectful to the people who made the reason we find the game cool
@F1ghtGam3r
@F1ghtGam3r 23 дня назад
U should collab w/ PurplePineappleTelevision ❤
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