The Dark Age of Supernatural (Seasons 8-11 Retrospective) 

Hello, all! If you're rewatching this video in the future, you might notice it's shorter than it originally was, or if you're watching it just for the first time now, you may notice that there are a few cuts that seem a bit wonky. That's because three weeks after the video premiered, WBTV claimed a large portion of it, and I had no choice but to remove it. I plan to re-edit the interlude that I cut and include it in the Dabb era. For now, if you wish to watch it I'll provide a link to it on google drive. drive.google.com/file/d/1T0kkJ4-6GHAMC5OB-VA07U9L4lUaRwyN/view Sorry for all of this nonsense!

For me what I didnt like about the latter seasons was the loss of otherworldliness and power of the angels and demons. In the earliest seasons up through the apocalypse angels and demons were played as powerful and otherworldly beings that seemed truly Biblical. Later seasons really had the angels and demons seeming like regular people, especially after the fall.

Dean’s Jawline and Sam’s hair saved this whole era.

What confused me, was Dean stated his few months in Hell was the equivalent to 30 years. Yet, later series they were treating hell like a Walmart and go to and fro with zero time problems. Made that Dean 30 year thing irrelevant. Sad, cause it was a powerful thing back in the series golden days.

One big problem with Supernatural is that it kills off it's side characters too early. I get that we have to keep having people introduced, get invested in them, then they die in order to give the story stakes. But every time it feels like the character died mid arc, or even midway through the story SETTING UP an arc. I think i realized somewhere between the death of Kevin and his mom, both of whom had a lot of potential that was never reached. Same with Charlie, Meg (they play with demon redemption so many times it's weird that it never really happens), Bela, Jo, etc

Misha Collins was GENIUS as Lucifer!!!!! It really was a tie back to the beginning as Lucifer really WAS very dry. It was absolutely spot on Lucifers sense of humor!

Dylan Everett who played young dean in about a boy deserves a award. He adapted jensens exact mannerisms so well if they made a prequel with young sam and dean he should definitely star in it.

I always thought there was a whole lot of missed opportunity when it came to Benny. The way he talked about having a different perspective than most vampires, helping Dean escape from purgatory, then there's episodes where Benny and Dean kill vampires. I honestly thought Benny was going to eventually become a hunter. A hunter/vampire, basically the Supernatural version of Blade. That would've been awesome, but no. The writers just tossed him aside. Oh yeah, I actually like season 9. Those episodes that you think are bad, I think they're kinda funny. Especially the episode with the pornstar. Love how Dean is so unapologetically Dean, it's one of the reasons why he's my favorite character. Kinda reminds me of myself.

Crowley is one if not the only reason why I kept watching Supernatural, he had so little to do by the end so I understand Mark not wanting to return, I don't think they asked either way

I really dug the Season 10 episode "Fan Fiction" with the school play built around Sam and Dean's "literary adventures" and its hard not to get choked up at the end when the kids are singing "Carry on Wayward Son".

I personally think that Season 8 and 11 are absolutely awesome. Nothing tops Season 1-5 but Season 11 plus 8 are very close. Seasons 9 and 10 are also solid. Season 8: 8/10 Season 9: 7/10 Season 10: 6.5/10 Season 11: 8/10

Dean telling Sam to shut up when he was apologizing at Charlie’s funeral like he didn’t get Kevin killed and he tricked Sam into letting an angel possess him

The actor who played Cain had a stroke, which forced the show runners to change what they originally had planned

Crowley breaking as he slowly becomes human is still in my top 3 Supernatural moments.

I agree. CAIN WAS AN AWESOME CHARACTER ...should've been more episodes of Cain.

I have always wondered why they mangled Sam' personality so much in season 8. I agree he was written insanely out of character!

Season 11 is so good. It has thrill, horror, drama, humor, great narrative, awesome acting. It is my third favourite season after 2 and 5.

I hurts to remember how Sam's character was after Dean's Purgatory time 🥲 How would the actual Sam just abandon Dean 😂😂🤨

Not the guy with 1300 Subscribers putting more work into a video than people with millions of subscribers. I'm loving your work man, I just hope your channel growth is matching your effort. Hoping you hit a million subscribers within the next year.

The change in visuals was one of the biggest things that ticked me off about the later seasons of show. Still loved the show, but damn made such a big difference!

I love the whole purgatory theme and Dean and Cas ending up there was awesome. It would've been cooler if they had actually episodes that showed their stay there instead of those short flashbacks from Dean that we got. What I do love is the relationship between Dean and Benny, that was a fresh spin on the show. On another note, Crowley implied that the levians were still on Earth when he's talking to Sam and takes Kevin but we literally never see or hear about levians ever again after Dick is killed..

I absolutely love henry Winchester I definitely would love a show that centered around him I much prefer him over samuel Campbell with henry you can tell he cared about sam and dean

It always bothered me that seasons 6-11 weren’t as tightly written as the first five. I loved the over-arching storyline of seasons 1-5; it’s one of the reasons I really got into the show in the first place. And you’re right about there being a huge drop in quality for character writing in these seasons. It’s such a shame because they have a cast of genuinely talented actors. I’m relieved it’s not just me who didn’t really care for this era.

season 11 is one of my favorites. excellent acting, drama, story, and arc. to me i think its a pretty underrated season and it needs more love. but then s12 kinda ruins everything imo.

Jeremy Carver's Era of Supernatural may have some issues here and there but compared to the Andrew Dabb's Era, it's a masterpiece.

Your supernatural series on this channel is fantastic. Looking forward to seeing you wrap it up!

Supernatural was a pretty formative part of my childhood, and I really enjoyed your videos on the series! Made me want to rewatch at least the first five seasons. I only made it through season 10 (and I honestly don’t think I finished it, or if I did, it didn’t stick), so it’s interesting hearing what happened and how the show was after I stopped watching. Im looking forward to your video on the last part of the series! All I know about those last few seasons comes from people making fun of the finale on Twitter.

Now that the series is over, I always wondered WHY there was never a later episode that showed a flash back to when dean was rescued from hell. It could have been one hell of a scene and answered some questions as to what really happened instead of just going off of Castiel saying "I'm the one who gripped you tight and raised you from perdition". A scene actually showing Castiel pull dean from hell would have been, could been one of the coolest/ cinematic/ and profound scenes in the whole series. I can totally imagine it: Episode starts with Castiel commanding and giving instruction to an army of angels in heaven right before they decend down to earth and then into hell, laying seige and smiting all demons who stand in their way. With no actual context we're wondering "wait, what's going on here?" Then amidst the chaos of battle one of Castiel's soldiers urgently runs up to him saying "Sir, we found him! We found Dean Winchester!" It's here that we as the viewer start to realize that this is when Dean was rescued from hell, they just waited a few seasons to show us. Castiel proceeds to make his way to Dean, being led by a small platoon of his angel soldiers, swinging their swords and smiting demons who are trying to stop them. Finally, he arrives to where Dean is being held captive when he's not torturing souls. Dean, confused and frightened at all the ruckus and moreso now that Castiel, with utter fire in his eyes is walking towards him with a serious and intentive demeanor. Dean can't believe what he's witnessing and has no idea what to make of it. Before anymore time is wasted Castiel grabs Dean by his shoulder and with one mighty flap of his wings flys up and out of hell, carrying Dean back to earth. This, THIS is what happens right before Dean wokes up in that pine box. These are the events that led to Dean coming back from hell. Supernatural writers, you can have that one. Just make it happen.

😬...you lost me after saying season 9 was not even that good buahahaha. We all have our own opinions but very little was boring about this season. Also, we get to see how Deans whole persona changes, showing Jensen Ackles wide acting range. We get "The Mark"...and one of the most intense endings that leads to Demon Dean👍👍🕴️

Great video man! Tons of hard work was put into this and it pays off. Thank you again for featuring my video about Kim. I'm glad you got where I was coming from in terms of how Supernatural would visually portray itself after the first 7 seasons. Also I laughed out loud at the "disagree with his later seasons" comments. Brings me back to the days of 12 when I felt like I was the only one seeing the cracks in the wall. It's all good though. That's the point of all of this. We can have different opinions but we can still discuss it in a civil manner ☺️ thank you again for featuring me in this epic video!

i really enjoy these introspective videos you’ve been doing for this show. it’s my favorite show too actually so it’s nice to go back. i’m disappointed you didn’t put as much research as i hoped into the seasons though

I still remember *screaming* at my tv when the finale of Season 8 happened. I was not a fan of S6 & S7 and thought that S8 was a perfect time to end the show post-Kripke. With Sam sacrificing himself for the greater good, Castiel using the Angel tablet to actually seal the angels in Heaven (not cast them out like it happened), and have Dean left with a newly humanized Crowley would have left the show on a pretty good note. Hell, if they wanted to continue afterwards, it could have been a MotW season with Dean & Crowley as the duo. But then we got S9/10 which are so so so bad, and then S11 is amazing and AGAIN they could have ended there. But nope, had to drain the dead horse of all the blood for 12/13/14/15.

I personally love seasons 9 and 10 i felt actually interested while feeling burnt out by 6 up to the ending of 8.

The Amara season was a brief restoration of my faith in the series. Everything felt so good about it, well built up with a worthy threat. Unfortunately the seasons surrounding it were not as good to me

I really like your analysis of those seasons, and it is also really useful to remember what was going on with each season ! And I wanted to stress that several of the worst episodes you named were written by the same duo (Brad Buckner and Eugenie Ross-Leming). Not all "bad" episodes of course, but created several which are plagued with out-of-character behaviour, offensive themes, and unecessary and rushed character deaths for no reason at all. One of the mistakes made by the showrunners, to me, was to keep hiring them - as they clearly dragged down the whole storyline...

great retrospective! love the video. Interesting to revisit these seasons this way.

just stumbled across these--really great video, love your thoughts.

I remember getting into supernatural when season 10 was airing, there been few shows or films that have made me tear up but Chucks Song in Don't call me Shirley still gets me till this day. its honestly one of the most beautiful moments in televised history.

Season 10 was where I jumped off. As soon as Dean killed Death I was just kinda like “…nah, I’m good.”

Season six is awesome. "Caged heat", " Appointment in Samara", " The French Mistake" and more are great episodes.

Season 11 actually killed the show for me. I watched a couple episodes of 12, saw it didn't get better, and never watched anything beyond that.

I loved Supernatural from when the pilot first aired but man, I just always keep finding myself coming back to seasons 1-5. The Kripke era really was the peak for me.

To call it the dark age in an artistically negative point of view. Well that’s just your opinion from your own perspective. I’m currently finishing up my 2nd binge marathon watch of the show now and I still don’t have any ill feelings towards the show, I still enjoy it and I feel perfectly content on the trajectory narrative the show takes even up to the series finale. It’s a brilliant show and one of the best TV series to ever been created and given to us during our lifetime. I will be a Supernatural fan until I draw my last breath.

Season 11 I keep trying to tell people is easily the 2nd best of the series next to 5. I love fantasy level high stakes and clever big finales. Also season 11 is the first ever season of Supernatural where Sam and Dean don't have some big secret they're keeping from eachother, taking away their biggest weakness.

I totally agree with you about the cinematography in the show's later seasons and im actually a subscriber of Jeremy's channel👍 I really wanted demon dean to last longer Jensen did a good job it definitely would had been interesting if cain had been the big bad of season 10 🤔

I definitely give Jeremy Carver the silver medal he was a great showrunner for the show I'm glad he brought back the biblical lore

I loved Demon Dean sooo much, the whole conflict with his loved ones and in himself as well should have been explored much deeper, in my opinion. It might have come from left field, but would have been really interesting to see, how he slowly finds his way back to his human side, maybe explore interactions with other demons and creatures, and this changed dinamic between the brothers.

I never got the hate for season 6&7. The cliffhanger for 6 was absolutely nuts

You never reboot or retcon your myths. Tolkien never did that, neither Did C.S Lewis. You build upon it by expanding it.

honestly I hated how they handled lucifer and chuck in season 11 they're supposed to be a mirror of sam and john in season 1 but instead they made it a cringe angsty teenager joke

An episode that I really liked that I felt really stands out in season 9 was episode 7. The one with the boys home that dean spent time at. That one always hits me in the feels

I think I agree with you about Season 8, especially the Naomi-hacking-angels-thing. As a Stargate SG1 fan, every time Naomi appeared, I spent more time being glad that Amanda Tapping was on SPN, than I did actually caring about the character she was pretending to be. At least her acting ability made the character tolerable!

funny thing about demon dean is it's something they pulled from season 3 X 10.

I always felt like the bad episodes were meant to be kinda a funny break episode from all the darker more intense hopeless feeling episodes to be honest

12 By itself is the worst season of anything I had to watch. 13 stopped trying to recreate the SPN fórmula and started going into this more action approach with a bunch of Magic mambo jump. 14/15 felt like a CW super hero/Doctor Who/Buffy the vampire slayer type of TV show

Ad season 9: I beg to differ. For me the most interesting plotline of that season was the mark of Cain. The problem was they did nothing with it. Dean being a demon should have been the main issue of season 10, and they turned him back into a human after what? 3 episodes? If season 10 made demon Dean the main villain, forcing Sam, Castiel and Crowley to make the most difficult choice in order to save what they care about, that plot would have been interesting. But they were spooked by making the main character go bad, because then the show might have been interesting again, and who needs that in seasons 10 and onward?

For me after season 5 till season 11 was something like this 1 - Opening : Wow this seasons gonna be dope 2 - Pre mid season finale : some random staff 3 - Mid season finale and opening : well now shit is going to be dope/yeah we gonna love the rest show 4 - Between mid season finale and the final eisodes : why why do i hope 5 - The last 2-4 episodes : well the next season gonnaa blow our minds 6 - Next season : Go to 1

I've been waiting for a new video!!

I think Ben Edlund (creator of the tick and also worked on venture bros) leaving after season 8 was a real death blow to the shows creativity and sense of humor. If you look at the episodes he wrote, they're some of my personal favorites for their humor and self contained nature. Night Shifter, Hollywood Babylon, the French Mistake, and Monster Movie are my favorite ones he wrote.

About Sam - To me the "I wouldn't do this if I were you" and then saving Dean anyway in the finale and "I lied" weren't inconsistent. I always thought Sam was hypocritical here. That he would ask Dean to do something but not do the same himself and that was interesting to see. Sidenote - sometimes I think fans/audiences don't allow for negative arcs unless it's something huge. and so the smaller ones like this end up as inconsistencies.

Randomly found your channel and subscribed cause of it! Thank you for the amazing videos

Don't call me Shirley is ligitamently the best episode of Supernatural. The writing is great, the acting is perfect and the concept is one of the most interesting things the show ever did. This episode is why I HATE season 15. They character assisnated one of the most interesting characters of the show for "lols let's make God the last villain."

I’m a photographer and I’m currently binge watching supernatural already on season 5. That coloring and use of shadows to look more dreary and gory was the first thing I noticed. For some reason all of Hollywood is shooting with this same style. Nonetheless I hadn’t watched an episode of supernatural since cass burst out in the lake.

Jeremy Carver had a "3 year plan" because his plan was to rewrite seasons 3, 4, and 5. Starting with Dean being resurrected, ending with the ultimate evil being unleashed.

I agree with you. For me personally Season 14 and Season 9 are the weakest by far. They just do not feel that good. I would even dare to say that Season 7 was the last time it really felt like Supernatural, but maybe it is just me

As much as I can relate with your reviews, they seem far too race-focused. I highly doubt the "non-white characters" are treated badly or any less. It's in the writing and not by the color of their skin. The idea of this is pretty silly in my opinion. Other than that, I love your videos! This semi-brilliant series really needed a good well edited retrospective. You delivered that to us. Thank you! EDIT: Thank you for the rant on the visuals, nobody ever talked about this. Hated them.

these seasons were the dark era for sure but it was also weird because the episodic one off episodes were always really fun. it was really the season storylines that were bland. although Demon Dean is a fan favourite for sure

Brilliant video!

Tbh I really hated season 8, and always when I rank supernatural it’s always at the very bottom, because the flashbacks in the first half (especially with Sam) are boring as hell and eventually become annoying and something I dreaded when watching each episode. I only really wanted to watch Dean’s flashbacks in purgatory as Sam’s story needed nothing else than what he told Dean. Sure the second half of Season 8 picks up but the first half is just hell to me.

I love your videos and your channel sm! I really hope you continue to grow & get more subs & views bc you truly deserve it. Your take on video essays is super unique

I had chills just listening to you talking about the S8 finale! Angels falling was truly one of the show's best finales.

@ 5:40 In my opinion it’s not that carver doesn’t know how to right Sam, however it’s just that this is where Sammy is at currently, one of the signs of good righting is when someone is able to right a character that doesn’t only change for the better but sometimes makes changes for the worst, and with that said we see Sammy get back to feeling essentially the same way he did 8-9 years earlier before he lost Jess and had to drop out of law school, because and “let me try this again Dads on a hunting trip, and he hasn’t been back in a few days” Sam knew what Dean meant way back then, and knew the best thing to do was not to get involved, that it was the best way to be there to protect Jess, and focus on there future together. It’s only after Dean re emphasized his concerned that Sam decided to go with him. Which only proved to reinforce his decision to trust his instincts eight years later, do to what happened to Jess

Season 11 was definitely one of the best seasons I really enjoyed the darkness amara she was a great villain she's one of my favorite female characters in the show I also enjoyed misha collins as Lucifer he definitely pulled off the role way better than rick Springfield love the baby episode and just my imagination

I was sad that Charlie Bradbury was killed off same goes for death I didn't see that coming I was shocked

WAIT I GOT IT! seasons 8-11 are jeremy carver taking a shot at the cw! "You liked my work on past seasons and want something similar? Okay guys, we're reshooting seasons 3-5! Chucks gone, but you have his writer... no... SCRIBE"

As someone who haven't watched Supernatural (only knowing slightly about its setting and lore), but having watched Buffy and Charmed previously, I see a repeated pattern. Buffy had 7 seasons. The first five felt like a conslusion with her dying for a 2nd time. Bringing her back set up the meta-commentary we will see in the latter seasons of Supernatural. And while some seasons vary in being fantastic or simply just good, it felt like the threat made a slight increase each season (with the exception of the 6th meta-season), where they were literally fighting the concept of Evil, and it ended there. I know there are continuations (Angel for starters should have had another season), but Buffy ended where it was needed. Charmed I think, made a similar progress up until they face off against the Source, and later on, Cole as the Source. After beating him and the emotional bagage it left us, it was hard to continue on from there. Sure they kinda found their footing again with the Hogwarts-inspired school, but the last season surely outstayed its welcome!

Safehouse in season 11 was done really well. I was thinking about it @ the start of the video, trying to remember if it was somewhere in these. Glad we are on the same page. Honestly Crowley may have been cut & paste, but anything with him in it was hilarious! Hated Chuck/God! Though God & the Darkness going off into the sunset (so to speak) was pretty decent

I think I feel off at S9 because I do remember the end of S8 with the angels falling which was an awesome scene. I do not even remember S9. As I am watching your recap I dont think I even watched it because I do not remember lol. I did come back for a few seasons here and there. My issue was the seasons were just to long and the plot would lose steam at some point mid season. So much so I could not even remember the main plot. Still love the show and characters overall.

For me watching season 1-5 was enjoyable and loved it. everything afterwards just felt like a chore to watch. forcing myself to watch it to see where it went and see how it ended, but ultimately it just felt repetitive and not enjoyable

Although there are some things that are done post season 11 that I enjoy, Supernatural, for me, ends at season 11. Season 15 does not exist for me either.

Kevin and Charlie’s deaths honestly felt completely out of nowhere to me. Especially Charlie’s. She wanted space from Rowena’s nagging so she could focus on decoding the codex so Cass takes Rowena to a nearby room and then she just..leaves? Like, she would’ve been fine and safer figuring out the codex from where she was now but she instead chooses to leave without telling anyone and go to some random motel and the styne family just happen to find her and kill her?? I wasn’t even sad but just frustrated because it felt completely unnecessary.

Hey! Concerning the box set, does it have all the original music? Cause streaming the show you get replacement music that just doesn't hit the same. Wanna make sure about this before I bite the bullet and buy it.

Supernatural is my favorite (live action) show too! But only seasons 1-5 lol. I agree that 8-10 are the dark ages and I actually quit the show after the s11 finale premiered. I think I was just over it by that point. I wish these seasons could have better built off each other the way 1-5 did. I've never seen s12-15 but I've recently decided to rewatch the show and I was going to only watch to s5 but I really want to know what the fan response is to 12-15, like if they're not good I don't want to watch after s5 lol

Season 8 started weak to me but was a step up from seasons 6 and 7 I really enjoyed the character benny and the friendship with dean I totally agree with you about the man's best friend episode

Season 10 - Loved the Cain storyline and wish they would have expanded it, just as I would have liked to see more of Purgatory in Season 8. I have to go back to Season 8 because that was the worst season for me - Sam's storyline about why he didn't find or save Dean could have gone in SO many infinitely better directions. How many monsters and angels want revenge? I'm sure his capture and torture would have made a better story arc for Dean to come home to. Working with Benny on the mystery of finding and rescuing Sam, and then seeing a lean, Dean fighting machine fresh from his upleveling in Purgatory would have been way better than the garbage they gave us. Even soap opera levels of plotlines like Samnesia, comas, or incarceration for criminally insane would have been preferable as to the reason why he didn't look for and find Dean. UG - I'm never getting over that season.

Great video man. Keep it up.

Season 9 was my last Season I can't remember which was my last episode and I'm watching this video because I'm curious how it ended. Cheers good video

I actually really enjoy this era. It definitely has some speed bumps (especially Sam being out of character for half of season 8, even if I do believe it just gets better and better as it goes along), but when it's working, it's really great, and I really enjoyed all of the additions to the lore, especially the Men of Letters. The finale for season 11 felt like such a natural end point. I didn't like where it went at all from there and eventually just fell off. Having heard a lot of the things they did in the remaining 3 or so seasons I didn't watch, I'm starting to think I'm glad that I stopper when I did, because it really feels like they jumped the shark. Kinda hard to top the literal manifestation of primordial darkness... (also why did they have to make Chuck/God a legit bad guy? It messes with eo much about the show and especially the implications of the golden era. I hate it so much.)

Can’t believe you went through the whole video without mentioning Gadreal, who in my opinion has an awesome character arc. I agree with your sentiments here, Especially with Sam. Though strangely I found him more compelling in this side, where he try’s to redeem himself and later Dean. I do agree with the fact that they shouldn’t have killed Kevin and Charlie, but that is the supernatural way, kill the side characters first then one of the brothers. I liked Amara, and I feel like they should of set up season 11 to be an ending to the previous 5 seasons, since I agree the British men of letters set up detached away from the main plot. I liked Amara a lot, though it feels unfair that Donotello, Metatron, and everyone who was killed by Amara are left dead or souless. She’s as powerful as Chuck, and can’t return them?

I never noticed how much the show's look changed. But that's a fantastic point. Now that I know, I can't ignore it. And it certainly helps my opinion that why the show kinda went downhill was that it lost its nitty-gritty "horror" feel.

Amazing video

one of the worst mistakes this show made was not having Sam die win the season 8 finale....like no way the Dean we've been watching for 8 seasons would pass up closing the gates of hell. It just seals the idea in my head that they ruined Deans character and he was never really redeemed for having Sam not complete the trials..

Dean was such an efficient killer with the mark of Cain, he wiped out the whole Stein bloodline. In one night. In one house.. when, “we’ve got family all over the world”. Huh

One other issue with Bloodlines is it takes place in Chicago, which is the same setting of The Dresden Files. Now, Dresden Files is a book series about a Wizard Private Investigator, trying to save people, do his job, and dealing with Monsters, Vampires, Fallen Angels, Fairy Queens, and regular old Gangsters. It's a great series, and has a lot of action and humor, any fan of Supernatural would probably enjoy it. But I can't imagine that the writers of the show had never heard of Dresden Files, and it makes everything in Bloodlines at best a pale imitation, and at worst blatant plagiarism.

Fantastic video

S8: I hated how out of character Sam was and how quickly Dean returned. I think it would have been better if there were several episodes with Sam actively searching for Dean while checking on Kevin (who also would help search for Dean in his own way) even while Sam was dating Amelia, again balancing the Family and Hunter life (I love seeing this type of storyline, ok), juxtaposed with Dean's life in purgatory. Then after a few episodes Amelia learning of her Military boyfriend being alive and her and Sam going through that together (with Sam leaving Amelia so she can be happy) and Sam losing hope at ever finding Dean while struggling with his memories of Amelia then an episode of Sam trying to live without Amelia and Dean and diving into hunting, then bringing Dean's return back. That would have added so much more bulk to that storyline while introducing the closing the gates of hell storyline with Sam checking on Kevin. Also, I was disappointed that they killed off Meg. I actually liked her character (I personally liked Rachel's version of Meg (S5, S6, S7, S8) more than Nicki's version of Meg (S1, S2, S4), just my opinion.) I wanted to see more of the Megstiel relationship and how a Demon/Angel relationship would work haha. (I read the Fanfiction "In The Lethe" by Tea and Chess to fill this void, but still). S9: Wasn't a fan of this season itself either. I didn't like Metatron, I found him to be an annoying villain. But Curtis Armstrong's acting was really funny and good. I think this season would have been more compelling if they concentrated more on the Angels trying to figure out life on Earth rather than automatically going into a civil war. Introducing some specific named Angels and how they handle this new life in a variety of ways: good, bad, neutral, wanting to go back to heaven or wanting to stay on Earth, etc. And bring Sam, Dean and Cas into this by trying to track down these angels and see how this fall from Heaven affected them and trying to help them. The factions idea could have been brought in later on based on how these named angels handled this new life on Earth. There could be moments where they disagreed on the other factions' views and maybe some angels being killed in the process all sides trying to convince the other that they are better. So, Sam, Dean, and Cas could be all trying to figure out how to reopen heaven while also trying to deal with Crowley, Abaddon, Gadreel, and Metatron causing their own chaos. I'd also think it would have been a better plot for the Faction Angels Aligning with Sam, Dean, Cas, Metatron, Gadreel etc. The episode "Bloodlines" was too much info in one episode, it would have been more interesting if they spread this out over several episodes. My favorite episode of S9 was "Dog Dean Afternoon" XD

For me, the thing about later seasons I don’t like that much is the monster of the week episodes. Yes, they make up most of the show and it needs to meet a quota, but it gets boring when you’re looking forward to the main plot, so you just have to get though more than half of the season being a new monster, and some of them are really good, but it’s the bad ones that get me, I mostly skip them after a while

I think season 9 is what killed it for me. Once they killed Kevin I was like eh I'm out. Just got tired of getting jerked around with wasted side characters. Luckily I got to stream the first 5 seasons all at once before catching up to the currently live 6th season (at the time) but damn did I get spoiled. It didn't help that the next ones I had to wait a week for each episode and then a year for the next season... This is a show that is better binges. Maybe I'll binge it and finally finish it for once.

Season 8 is a very solid season imo. With season 8 and the beginning of 9 feeling pretty well attached

13:43 Funny enough, this season, season 9 was actually the season that made me quit Supernatural years and years ago, it was so bad, that my relationship with Supernatural was never the same, I haven't even seen much of the seasons after it, but I want to watch it all over just for old times sake, I'm now on season 1 episode 3. But as a classic fan of the show, I really couldn't take it, especially how they handled the Angels, they became cannon fodder, and I wasn't interested in that.