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Duality has always been obe of the primary thems of the Batman story through the decades and while I think you comment is very well put and I see where you'Re coming from. I would still tend to disagree. I don't see Alfred as an opposite to Bruce/Batman nor as an equal. He represents, depending on the storyline you choos to follow, the moral high grounf and thus the conscience of Bruce Wayne. I think that Alfred in ascene is the one thing that keeps Batman from going "full vigilante" and ensures that he stays on the right patch. In a way, Alfred is the Hero within the Batman universe.
What a powerful scene! "Maybe it's time we all stopped trying to outsmart the truth and let it have its stay". And people said TDKR didn't have drama...
1:25 1:36 Bruce looks broken, so tired, worn out. Bale was superb in this role. You can actually see held-back tears in his eyes, in this scene. Christian & Michael Caine had just great chemistry together, the best Bruce Wayne & Alfred ever.
@@stevengraff2872 and now your comment is years ago - before the Pandemic. I hope you're well. It saddens me that The Dark Knight Rises came out 10 years ago and that this upload is 10 years old as well :/ I was 22 then and my family pretty much ruined my life
What i loved about Michael Caine's performance as Alfred, he was the warm gentle caring father figure who would always have your back no matter how tough things got but wasn't afraid to give Bruce Wayne a kick up the ass when he needed it and always gave him great advice and unbeliveable pep talks when the situation was called for. All the scenes with Alfred and Bruce in TDKR always pulled at your heart strings and were so emotionally powerful.
Surprised at the folks who think this was out of character or that Alfred was abandoning Bruce. Alfred is refusing to enable Bruce's self destructive behavior. There's a difference. (This is also very similar to when Alfred quit during the Knightquest story line from the 90s, so it's not without comic precedent either).
+annenna it was out of character for me ,remember that (why do we fall)scene from batman begins ,and it wasn't self destructive behavior, he was trying to save Gotham from a madman, so this still pissed me off.
annenna it is out of character. there is no reality where Alfred should believe Bruce hates him or that Bruce would dismiss him or dismiss him and not eventually ask his forgiveness. utter crap
This shows how strong bruces' character is after losing rachel died, harvey lost his mind and went on a vengeance spree, but for batman even after knowing rachel died and somehow worse after learning the truth that she chose someone over him, he pulled himself back together.
From a (surrogate) fathers pov, it makes sense why Alfred did what he did. He didn't want Rachels words to destroy Bruce, which they would have at that time. I think Alfred was always planning on telling Bruce about it someday, it just came quicker than he expected and he thought it was necessary to save Bruce. Rachel was one of only two last link to his true self Bruce had. To the time when he was innocent and his parents were still alive. He saw her as his happy ending. Having had read that letter after her death would have probably ended in him sacrificing himself in some way or killing himself outright. In this scene, you feel for Bruce, and you feel for Alfred who loves him as if he were his own son. Totally all together heart breaking. The fact that Bruce pulled himself back together after this showed Bruce and Batmans real, true character.
I could understand why Alfred didn’t tell Bruce immediately after Rachel’s death. But he could’ve come out with it any time after that. Bruce gave up. He saw for himself how Rachel’s death affected him. So it seems to me Alfred was deceiving himself. If he’d truly loved Bruce more than his position(which he decidedly used to go for international holidays), he would’ve come out with it.
@@varunvenkatasubramanian8650 "If he’d truly loved Bruce more than his position(which he decidedly used to go for international holidays), he would’ve come out with it." i dont agree with that. had he showed bruce that letter, considering how much pain he was already in, bruce wouldve killed himself then bane wouldve won. a person can only sink to a certain level before they feel lifes not worth living anymore
@@pyramidhead138 Your hypothesis isn't supported by fact. Bruce, while upset about Rachel's death, didn't kill himself and he certainly didn't entertain thoughts of suicide in the 8 years after hanging up the cape and cowl. Bruce lost his parents at a young age. Rachel's death isn't worse than that. Alfred brought him 8 years of pain and misery which he could've spared. Also, if telling Bruce could drive him to suicide, Alfred would've taken the secret to the grave. Bruce spent 8 years of regret purely on account of Rachel. Knowing she had chosen Harvey may have been bitter but it would've been preferable to his languishing.
Nobody wants to be spared the truth. No matter how painful it is. I’d understand why you want to wait for a bit until they were in a more stable place, but that’s a bomb you gotta drop. Otherwise it will blow up in both your faces. I think it’s dangerous to keep looking at him as if he was some fragile child. He’s a grown man who is capable of taking care of himself. You gotta treat him like one.
I can almost imagine Alfred holding Bruce when he was born. It's really the most touching scene of the film to me. My eyes got so watery. Michael Caine really made me feel his pain. Bravo
A true masterpiece. The pain that Bruce Wayne carried in this last movie really needed a relief, that came in the Robin/Nightwing persona. What an epic movie.
It makes perfect sense. Alfred said Batman is needed and would never give up on him, yes. But…this is 8 years later and Alfred can see that after Rachel's death, Bruce is basically waiting to die. And despite Alfred trying his best to get Bruce to move on and "live", Bruce simply refuses to. That's what makes this scene so devastating…the fact that Alfred does in fact give up on him as he can no longer stand around and just watch him kill himself anymore.
In a way, he didn't give up on him, which is why he left. He left because he knew that his advice was falling on deaf ears. He left because he believed and hoped that Bruce would come to his senses by not having him around.
So batman was busying saving the world ,but couldnt fix his life because he was fuel on revenge.....but it takes one person who s always been there for him to make him understand the he isn t batman any more .......a person whos been there from the beinging....this batman will always b a classic for me......n it did make me cry cause i totaly understood.....
Kill me, if you ever gonna see such deep lines and heartbreaking conversation in any other batman movie, credit to Bale and Caine, they took their performance to another level, you can see great pain in their eyes
Actually I think Bruce thought Alfred was lying to him about Rachel, hoping that destroying his memory of her will knock some sense into him, thus "using Rachel" to stop him. Alfred responds by telling him that he's just using the truth, which is that Rachel moved on, maybe Bruce should to.
This was the only midnight showing/premiere I ever went to... but how utterly silent an absolutely packed theatre was during this scene and hearing both women and men getting choked up and sniffling was one of the most amazing things. Best movie experience of my life was watching this movie on day/night 1.
Exactly. Besides, it was only a matter of time before the truth came out about Dent. Gotham needed the Batman. If Bruce had left, he probably would have felt worse knowing the city was nuked and everything he did was for nothing.
This is what every Batman movie needs. Not Batman throwing giant crates at people's heads and then violently murdering some poor thug for his own pleasure.
You’re making a comparison between an action scene and an emotional dialogue based scene. Pretty dumb. Batman fights thugs without repercussions because he has lost all faith in Gotham ever since the death of Robin and the fact that after fighting criminals for 20 years nothing has changed.
@Miles Doyle Thank you for this, my friend. From one believer to another this was very inspiring to say the least. I’ve been growing closer to God lately, and while I haven’t had some of the amazing stories you have, I too have seen God work in my life and the lives of others. A daily walk with Christ is so important! Again, thank you for taking the time to write this. I’ll keep you in my prayers, God bless!
Ik exactly how bruce wayne feels ik the feeling of being betrayed by the one I love.. how can anything even matter anymore.. theres just nothing that could even remotly heal the feeling the only way to mask it is to find someone else to love over time when you find that point of loving the new girl more than the one who betrayed you only then can u truly move on and be healed..
You're right man :/ I'm kind of goin through some shit after a that a girl I chased after for months, betrayed me for someone else. Not only that she spoke behind my back, ignored me, called me names, belittled me etc yet I still chased after her like a lovesick puppy, and you are right, it damn hurts. Nonetheless, I found a new girl who I have feelings for, she's taken, but I'm expecting one day in the future we'll be happy. But right now I'm just trying to redeem and work on myself :/
Colin P Here’s hoping you’re with that girl. Currently going through some shit right now myself, but I realized I have to work on myself and be better if I truly want to improve my chances.
Man is there no ending of Bruce's pain first he witness the death of his parents,then he fail save the only woman that he love that turnouts she chosen someone else, and now the one man who been there for him from bad to worst leave him. I feel bad for Bruce yet he still fight for the people of Gotham now that respect for him
But Rachel was his anchor and essentially his gate-way to a better and normal life.To have your only exit route from your world of madness and anger taken from you is devastating .Also he didn't return to Batman for vengeance, he essentially wants to destroy himself to fail because he has no motivation for being the saviour . That's the point of the Pit as well so that he can find himself and find his motivation which wasn't vengeance it was fear and with that the will to overcome the fear.
The truth is the only thing in this world we choose not to except.....but anger is the only motivation which drives us,to self destruct.....this is my all time favorite seen.....it made me cry ,cause the truth will set him free......
I shed manly tears just for this scene!! How incredible the performance of Michael Caine & Christian Bale in this scene alone. Just pure dialog conversation between them both without any background music. Both of them deserve an Oscar nomination especially Micahel Caine.
the flaws you guys find with this movie are easily shut down. becasue relapsing in a situation of this nature is comepletely realistic tell a man who lost his best friend not to mourn and take his mother's death so serious because he already learned to cope with people dying
Everything this part of the movie makes me cry because Alfred cared so so much that he left bruce to prove a point. Alfred didn't break his world, he built it back up again
Too true my friend. I completely agree. It's nice when people actually take time to look into the real meaning behind what the writers write. It's annoying when the inner meaning just goes over peoples' heads. I respect you.
i feel like even if he saw the letter, his sense of ownership for Gotham would still outweigh any desire to find a different path. Bruce Wayne is the alter ego of the Batman. Not the other way around.
This has so much more of an emotional bite than the ending of Infinity War. That's not to say Infinity War wasn't sad but this is just so much more heartbreaking to watch.
Much of that is because this is actual human drama, not characters we know who are going to come back one way or another disintegrating through a fantasy plot device.
Man, in the cinema i was in. It was complete silence on this scene. No eating. No drinking. No talking. Just Alfred and Bruce. Many tears were shed then. Just beautiful.
Michael Caine will forever be THE Alfred in my eyes. No depiction (besides comics) has ever perfectly fit the mannerisms and relationship with Bruce like these three movies did. We’re so lucky to see a master of their trade play such a moral and human character.
I just want to say -- you've got it. You've gotten the point of Batman in these films. Too many people miss it, but you got it. What you say is so true.
sometimes you need to lose people. sometimes the only way a person can get the point across to you is to leave your life. it will be the most painful thing to ever happen to you. but the greatest lesson. let the truth have its day. nature is smarter then how people think.
Batman's purpose was to defend Gotham from crime and corruption (specifically, even protect the ones he cares about), but when the Dent Act came into play, Batman's purpose was taken away. So Bruce stagnated, as the Bruce Wayne who can't be Batman anymore. "That isn't Batman" is like saying Batman should have his shit together because he hardly shows emotion. He always gushes with emotion, but it's a façade covered with anger, revenge.
At first I wasn’t happy that Alfred was going to leave, but I realize from his point of view he has every reason: if Bruce continues living like this, then soon enough he will die, and Alfred quoted, “But I won’t bury you, I’ve buried enough members of the Wayne family.” Him leaving was the only option that he has.
