Thanks so much for watching this! Shaman King meant a lot to me as a kid, but as much as the industry has continued moving forward Shaman King 2021 has seemingly stayed in the past. So finally...I have to let it go. Here's my Eulogy to The Shaman King that was, and the Shaman King that could have been.
NGL i watched the OG series as comfort tv until my 20s, the new series has all the fluff on the surface but is missing something i can't figure out, its prob a few things but its missing some of the OG magic.
I watched Shaman king with my two older brothers when I was about 6 years old and it honestly really left a big impression on me. As a kid, I had a huge crush on Anna and just admired the crap out of Yoh's laidback attitude compared to the rest of the cast. Later on, when I got older I finally read the manga and just truly lost my shit. It was like everything I liked about the anime was dialed to eleven. I really enjoyed how things played out because of how unconventional the interactions between Hao and Yoh felt as the story progressed. To me when the remake was announced it was something I was very much hyped up for but I'm the type of guy to binge anime so I very rarely watched while airing and would wait till the completion. I ended up never getting to watching it cause of how lukewarm or negative the response was and now seeing actual clips of it it's hard for me to say how I feel. I'm relatively lax about the quality of animation in anime, but this was something that I think truly deserved the "BROTHERHOOD" treatment.
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Another point that perfectly encapsulates the problem the whole reboot had, is the music. The old series had one of the most unique soundtracks that gave the whole series its own feeling and identity, there was a vibe to the whole shaman king experiece with their mix of reggae for free spirited and light hearted moments, rock beats for intensity and traditional japanese music mixed with the other two for emotional scenes, the nearly tribal drums that anounced Hao's presence or the ominous eclesiastic choir for the X-Laws. Meanwhile non of the beats of the new ost has any identity to it, not even emotion is just white noise that could have been in any generic anime and barely have a distinc feeling
Soon it'll be 5 years since I read the manga. I've known the series since being a kid. I've spent a year trying to make stuff for the series, edits, amv's whatnot, some bad reviews... Idk, feels horrible never to see Shaman King get what it deserves as a series. Short run, poorly handled direction, less impactfull than the manga counterparts for big moments, poorly distributed outside of Japan. Sad to see this all go down on one of the most underappreciated series and my personal favorites.
Sad time. My hype vid in 2020 did big numbers, you know people were excited but most people could see the quality from Ep1 and dropped it. Went out like a whimper
When i heard about the manga author wanting to remake the anime but didn't due to not having access to the voice actors i was very happy that he had passion about this project and when the 2021 anime remake was announced i was very hyped for it, me and my friends even called it "Shaman King Brotherhood" that's how much expectations we had for it. Im sure you can imagine how disappointed i was with the remake now, but it even made me think to myself "maybe the story isn't as good as i remember it being" and now this video reminded me a bit of why i love this story that i am considering giving the manga a shot, so thank you for making this video.
This pretty much summed up all my thoughts on this anime. Everything seemed perfect during the lead up to this show but it ended up as one of the biggest disappointments I’ve experienced. It hurts cuz I can tell there were so many people who wanted to make this good and you can see that in the voice acting, the music, and even the promotional materials, but those can’t make up for the miserable experience of watching something I once loved be butchered by lackluster animation and terrible pacing
I think the major problem with the new adaptation is how unnecessary it is. The first adaptation came during the height of shonen manga adaptations in the early 2000’s and similar styles anime and was a pretty ideal time to adapt shaman king even with a mediocre budget. But now with the story of both the anime and manga long dead and buried the only reason they’d have for this one to exist is if it was a high production merging of the best of both of them with maybe even some new stuff. As it stands it’s an inferior adaptation of both with nothing majorly new to show for it, which only leaves the animation and presentation to make it worthwhile. unfortunately they dropped the ball there when compared to the current industry’s standards which is why it feels so bad. As you said, the original show had a much better mood and art direction that was rather calm and sometimes even melancholy. The new one looks like literally every anime with only some unique character designs. As someone who grew up with the first adaptation it’s a real shame and It really does beg the question of what a properly animated adaptation with the mood of the first adaptation and the look of the manga would actually be like.
When the original had better animation quality because the remake didn’t innovate. Also, Netflix pacing. The nostalgia carried me through the series, and like many of the Netflix anime batch releases, it feels rushed.
I haven't heard of Shaman King untill this video. The way you speak about it sounds like it is a cult classic. Something like Scott Pilgrim, Tommy Boy, etc. The only difference is that it never got the time to take off. I hope I have the opportunity to read it some day.
Saw most of the original show on tv back then. The ending was one of the parts I missed. Later discovered it was anime only. When the new adaption was announced, I got a friend into rewatching it with me, this time from beginning all the way to the end. For him it was the first time tho. I also picked up the manga which I had planned on doing for longer actually and was also recommended by others. Tho I only got to the end of vol 2, I definitely wanna get back into it. Also hope they'll license the sequels where I live some time in the future. Thanks for showing your perspective on the series as a whole. What do you think about the studio continuing with shaman king Flowers? Getting a house and moving in with your friends sounds great. I watched some of their content. Hope you'll have much fun
This series was one of my first manga as well. I distinctly remember borrowing all the books from the library. It hurts my soul that this series can’t get itself a proper good anime.
While I did genuinely get bored of the new version early on. I'm still happy new Shaman King exsisted. And It had to have done something right, since they already announced that Shaman King: Flowers would be getting an anime too. If this keeps going, then we should expect all the other spin-offs and continuations to get something similar. That's amazing. I didn't even mention it, but the dub even managed to get some of their original actors back. That wave of nostalgia kept me going at first.
Reading the manga rn, im liking it. Also just gonna pretend that Soul Eater clip at the end was coincidence in conjunction with that comment because i am a heavily biased individual lmao :3
Not exactly the same genre, but i've been expecting a good adaptation of the original Resident Evil Trilogy for basically 20 years since i first played these games. I'm not really bothered by the stuff coming, as i'm older, and i know it is a brand, a product, but after so many movies that tried to do their own thing during the years, with the new movie that came out this year and the new series coming out, it gives that feeling of "all right, i get it, it will never get a proper adaptation, just let it die, please"
I watched through the anime, but I definitely realized pretty quickly how bland the animation was. I didn't realize how much more dynamic the olld show was at times. I did still like going through it, it's carried by a likeable cast. I do think the manga is the best way to experience the series though!
Never really got the chance to get into shaman king I just remember it being on jetix as a kid. I really liked the art style for the 2001 adaptation, idk why I just don’t like how the 2021 anime it just feels and looks soulless from the manga and 2001 anime.
Shaman King was one of those manga that always was on the sidelines for me. Something that had a lot to give but I never found time to look into. Hearing the way you speak of it now just solidifies it for me as something worth my time.
Shaman kings is one of the freaes. Not enough people talk about it. It was my favorite back in highschool when it came back. It was my hypest series in the days Naruto and bleach and one piece dominated the charts
Man the new Shaman king Was a Colossal disappointment from an Animation and Aesthetic standpoint and comparing the Manga panels to the Anime shots brings a tear to my eye
I think the improvement in shonen anime animation quality has less to do with technology and more to do with the fact that now they're produced in seasons of around 12-26 episodes a year instead of making a new episode every single week until the series ends.
Honestly when you think about it... yeah that tracks The last time I can remember a brand new anime not getting seasonal schedule and instead having the Hannah-Barbara treatment was Black Clover, and nowadays the last 3 shonen anime using this method are OP, Detective Conan and Boruto, the first two of which are produced by two of the biggest animation houses in Asia, the third produced by a big studio that is well versed in this sorta thing and all three being industrial juggernauts (well not exactly Boruto, but you get the point)
No, the scheduling helps but the technology REALLY helps. With fight choreography they can plan it out using CG rigs then draw over them once thy have the timing and angles right (And some shows just use the rigs with no drawover but it usually looks like butt). Before you just had to use trial and error and holy hell was it time consuming.
When Fruits Basket got rebooted, my friend was super excited, we watched it together, had our issues with it but thought it was good overall. She really hoped I would get a shaman king reboot in return which did come to fruition. Watched some of it together, and to have my hopes just rapidly drained by it's non-existent animation, lack of atmosphere and terrible TERRIBLE pacing was just crushing. After 7 episodes, she didn't have much of an impression of it and I wanted to drop it, do we both did. I think it would be better to reread the manga instead
With how they were doing it they really should’ve stuck to flowers and give it a more flowy but smooth animation with a mix of the classic energy of original. It matched the MC’s mood better and the story better. You always was laid back but it always felt like he had this underpinning energy to him that would’ve made it beneficial to keep the artstyle and pacing as close to the manga as possible.
If they were gonna do the OG they needed a whole different directive than what they were going for. But look at the rebrand of the old manga. We should’ve seen it coming. At least we can say it’s a better showing than Inuyasha’s new one got.
This remake was so harsh. I was a fan of the 2001 anime, after episode 12 of the remake I lost hope and binged the manga...the things that I wanted expanded were even shorter, lots of character interactions skipped, the only good thing is that speedrun through the revelation that the X Laws are a bunch of fakes (I hated discovering that in the manga, the super car angels sounds lame) Overall so sad. I'm gonna rewatch the original to see how good/bad the second half is now that I've seen the remake and read the manga
I was never a fan of the OG shaman King Anime, but with 2021 to co.pare it to, I can suddenly see so many good things about it. I just really wish this would have been the "brotherhood treatment" that the Shaman King manga deserved. Unfortunately tho ..
The OG is more of a kids show but it works for what it is. Part of it is its just the right length, if the show went on much longer it would get awfully repetitive, like the manga did. Part of it is that its less ambitious so doesn't really fail in selling a lot of the high minded ideas he was going for in his manga.
@@shawnjavery how? cause theres no blood? there was blood in the subbed it was also darker than the reboot, if anything the new ones for kids its all flash with no heart or substance
@@imalittletoxicjustalittle No they changed quite a few story elements. For example Ren doesn't kill the Patch tester in the anime like he does in the manga, and Hao is treated a lot more like a power hungry tyrant instead of as a tragic figure. Both of those plot points didn't really land for me in the manga, so I prefer what the anime did with them.
@@shawnjavery >For example Ren doesn't kill the Patch tester in the anime like he does in the manga Actually, he does kill him in the anime. This was just never brought up until the episode with some girl hypnotizing everyone to quit from the tournament.
One of the biggest things I found disappointing in the new adaptation is how they sped through most of the story to get to the major plot points. I know it would be insane adapt all three hundred chapters within 50 or so episodes, but it felt rushed
first of all…THE MANGA bruh nothing has ever caught my attention quicker and i have adhd so that’s a struggle but i recommend the hype that is shaman king
I thought it was ready cool that the new Shaman King adaptation actually also got back a lot of the old 4Kids actors, it was really fun getting to hear them actually give a REAL go at these characters. (Oliver Wyman and Tara Sands are actually still amazing as Manta and Anna, respectively)
Really sad to see how the adaption turned out, hearing you talk about the manga and how magically it felt for you reading on your first video made me really excited about it but then.. Everything was just bad, the still animation, the horrible voice acting, the boring pace. Just hope people go and read the manga and give the story the love it deserves
I'm convinced the Shaman King 2021 happens in an alternate universe. I can't comprehend how badly the adaptation has been, and it's truly a shame. The manga on the other hand, is wonderful.
@@ryuixyui fine compared to what? It has worse production than virtually every major shonen that has come out in the last 10 years. Like I def have nostalgia but there is no modern standard that has this come out in an upper rung
Shaman King meant a lot to me during my formative teenage years. I remember picking up my first volume of Shonen Jump (which is still with me and dog eared to hell) and being absolutely enthralled by the first battle between Ren & Yoh. It wouldn't be until a few years ago that I picked up a whole slew of the original manga second hand and blazed through it like a man dying of thirst. With Jojo seeing a huge rise in popularity, I was extremely hopeful for the Shaman King remake, but everything you said in the video echoes my own sentiments. It's hopelessly stuck in the past and while Jojo might have embraced that in creative ways, it's been to Shaman King's detriment
it has nothing to do with being "stuck in the past" they cut all the development and what made the characters them to rush through the story, we get the time skip (kinda, when he goes training in the cave) a few episodes in ffs lmao. so yeah its a failure but not due to its age but what it left out i still love the original series and thats super old but it all made sense had mad heart and i actually felt like i knew the characters
I was really disappointed with the new adaptation. I watched it alongside with the og version and it was really hard to justifying watching it. The old version had hands down the better production, just by comparing Ren’s introduction you can tell the difference, the atmosphere of the og version felt like a horror movie with a blood red sky and while it might be cheesy, it’s at least something compared to the remake’s static shots and dull atmosphere. Storywise, I think the remake did better, some changes were made which I mostly liked (except making Yoh’s spirit red) and more characters were developed especially best girl Anna, but you can still get that with the manga. The animation also didn’t fit the artstyle of Shaman King, their limbs look awkward, unnatural, and aesthetically unpleasant to look at which was not the case with the older anime. The only saving grace I can think of is for a better sequel but that’s just me grasping on straws, I can’t imagine the disappointment of the author who green lit the remake only for it not to get the love it deserved.
4:43 i agree with this statement 100%. It feels glossy, "perfect" even. It makes them feel like they've come out on a conveyer belt from a factory, even if the art style looks great. This is why i'll always prefer the older cel animated anime aesthetic
Dude not every new sucks. Honestly I feels like you and hiding are just bashing on new anime without giving them a chance. Yes I like older stuff but I can also appreciate some of the new stuff too. Like land of the lustrous has atmosphere in spades and that is new. I don't know I just feel like everyone complains about mew stuff being boring wit out really watching it.
@@zemox2534 it's just the aesthetic feels produced. I'll gladly watch new anime, hell if ya go to my mal i have a lot of newer anime in my favourites, but i *HIGHLY* prefer the aesthetic of cel animated anime. That's all i was sayin
I'm sorry this is SO LONG... I'm passionate about this series and I got carried away! 😩 The new anime for SK was a let down for me in so many ways. Not only was the OG anime better and given the attention it deserved, but the manga's "full" story had so many corners cut from the new anime. The only reason the old anime ended the way it did was because of an issue regarding Takei and his editor and the manga's situation at that time. The manga as it is now, complete with 300 chapters, was only just over, at the time of the OG anime ending, halfway done for what it would become eventually. They not only had horrible pacing (14 episodes covered the first 100 chapters and that is absolutely insane to me), but that pacing caused them to cut the corners I mentioned and leave out so many instances of characterization. There was no time to come to love the characters the way the OG anime allowed for. I grew up with Shaman King. I started reading it around 2004, 2005. Eventually I watched the anime and I loved both the manga and anime even though they were somewhat different, but all in all, back then the anime did its damnedest to stay true to the overall story, even when it had to change or chose to change some things (like Ryu befriending Yoh much sooner and Horohoro being introduced much sooner). Even when the manga was halted for a while, the anime still sprinkled every single major plot point from the manga into the OG anime right up until the final episodes, covering as much of the manga content as they could. For example, Ren's almost death in the final episodes was based completely on his actual first death approximately halfway into the manga (as the manga is now), as back then the manga stopped shortly after that for a while, if I remember the situation for the manga correctly. Back then the anime team gave everything it had into the quality of the anime. While I wasn't satisfied with the ending because it went against Yoh's entire character up to that point, I also realize the anime team was just that: the anime team, and they weren't the original writer so they had to make do. Up until then they stayed as relatively true as they could. There was filler put in there from time to time and a lot of the final arc was largely filler, but having grown up and learned more about the situation regarding the manga from back then it helps put it into a better perspective for why that happened. Since the manga was, iirc, on indefinite hiatus and they caught up, their only options were to do the same for the anime (risking losing viewers who wouldn't care to come back by the time they brought the series back on TV), end the anime their own way, or keep putting in filler until the manga continued or was announced to be canceled (which would mean spending a lot of money to keep the series going for filler that people would possibly not even enjoy and might leave because of, on top of risking the chance of hearing the manga would not continue anyway, even after all that). Nowadays even though we got the entire story, it was at the cost of so many things that made SK what it was in the manga. I hate that I can look at the OG and say that a half finished version is better than the full version. I hate that I can look at the completed version and see that all my favorite characters finally got into the anime, but then look at the OG anime and see that so many of them didn't even exist in the manga yet or got left out of the anime, and yet still think that even without a lot of my favorites, the OG anime was better than the version /with/ them. I won't ever lay SK to rest because I adore it and it's still probably my favorite manga, but I was extremely disappointed in the remake starting right at episode one when they changed things to condense important plot points into one episode. The original anime's first two episodes gave the whole story there, but right from the very, absolute beginning of the remake, they had already started condensing things to rush it. I knew it was a bad sign but BOY was it a bad sign for the rest of the anime. I still can't believe that the OG anime was 64 episodes and, aside from some filler, managed to cover up to half the full story, versus 52 episodes that was the entirety of the manga. 64 episodes, half of the series. 52 episodes, the entire series. It's not like it's 64 for the OG and then 52 for the remake to cover half the series, because that would be reasonable and probably about accurate if you considered the portion of the 64 that was filler. Instead, no. It was 52 for the whole remake. Tbh I don't think SK is getting a third chance anyway considering they already announced its sequel will be animated. If SK gets a third chance in the future I imagine it won't be for a very, very long time. Takei supposedly had the choice to have SK one straight through series of 52 episodes or break it into seasons and make it longer, but also supposedly he chose the 52 episodes because he wasn't sure it would be popular enough to be renewed for another season or could have gotten axed before completing after two, three or so on seasons. I mean from his perspective I get it, that he probably wanted the whole series to finally be animated at whatever cost he could get, and it would also be super difficult to get all the VAs' schedules prepared the way they needed if he didn't do it at the first opportunity he got. Also, the longer he waited for a remake, the more chance he would risk of them being unable to return (for example, Yoh's old VA retired a while ago and that's why she didn't come back. If he kept waiting, more of them could've retired, and Pirika's VA passed away many years ago now, so there are circumstances out of his control that would potentially reduce the returning cast the longer he waited). From Takei's perspective, I understand picking the 52 episodes. From the anime staff's perspective though... the fact that they only granted him the 52 episodes to begin with is where my problem lies. It feels like there wasn't even an attempt to give it what it deserved right from their decision of episode number. TL;DR: Shaman King deserved so much better than the remake gave it and was basically an insult to the OG anime that, despite being incomplete, was significantly more appealing and more attentive to the story it told with the characters it used to tell that story. For a franchise that's been continuing on and off well beyond the original series with tons of spinoffs and side stories as well as a sequel, continuing to do so to this very day, the remake did it super dirty.
My only experience with shaman king is hearing the OP and thinking it's a banger. With what to me is clearly a glowing recommendation of the manga from you I really should find a good place to read it online.
I honestly thought I was crazy for how I felt watching the first episode of the new release. I even asked my friends to compare the first 2 episode of the og back in the day version with this new version and they said they were fine with it. Although they said that I couldn't get past the episode when Ryu starts working under Anna. Something just didn't feel right. After watching your vid it kinda makes sense it felt too clean Shaman King is my second favorite manga, and it sucks to see it with this animation but in some ways I'm glad it got popular enough to get a redo no matter the result. Well that's my 2 cents and hey at least it didn't get the same treatment as my first favorite manga.
I actually watched the original one Shaman king back when it aired and i remembered liking it. I was actually hyped when the remake was announced and hoped it would be as great as other recent shonen jump titles. Sadly that was not the case, and with every arc of the anime, i hoped the next one would be the one where the animation quality would shoot up. However after finishing the entire anime there was never such a moment. It felt less like a story they wanted to tell, and more like a race they wanted to finish as fast as possible
That's sadly what happened. Most times adaptations take 2-3 chapters to adapt for an individual episode, depending on other factors you can even get a 4th in there if you do it right. Shaman King has 300 chapters in total and thus to get a properly paced adaption would need 100+ episodes, but only got 52, which means they had to adapt 5.8 chapters on average per episode to adapt everything within the episode limit.
I love the OG Shaman King manga. V8be wise it kinda hits in like a One Piece x Bleach sort of way. It's a battle shonen and I can't say it's the GOAT but all my life I have been waiting for a worthwhile adaptation and unfortunately I have to believe at this point it's not happening
@@HidinginPublic Wait a minute do you mean Shaman king 2021 had a manga that's different from. the OG Shaman King? I remember the og back in my childhood but never finished it.
Sad it ended up like this and not like FMA Brotherhood, which is still, in my opinion, the best shonen anime ever made... ... ... at least until Mob Psycho 100 season 3 is released, having read the manga, a good adaptation of the finale could put Mob above FMA for me.
As someone who saw SK 2021 all the way and has little to no attachment to the source, let me say this: 2021 was one of the most boring long-running shounen I have seen in a while. On top of the directing and visual quality just being a travesty, the story as presented wasn't very engaging which you'd think would save it given all the praise I have heard about the story of SK's manga over the years. But nope, the plot was bad, the characters, while not being absurdly badly written weren't as well utilized as they could have been, motivations change incredibly flippantly and the comedic timing was bland. Needless to say, not a fan and that is a damn shame.
Yeah the story ended up being a bit too preachy for my tastes, well the manga anyways. Its a case where I prefer the direction the anime went over it with Hao being something of a hypocrite, also just the general plot development got old after characters started coming back from the dead.
Ngl, about half a year ago i started watching Shaman King on Netflix as my first introduction to it, but i knew this was a older anime, and when i watched a few fights i honestly thought that this was just an hd version of the previous one. So i just kinda ignored the ad fights and animation choices for some attacks. But now that i know that this is a full on remake i dont know anymore. Maybe ill start reading the manga instead since the only thing making me stay watching was the story.
Well since Hiding-kun asked for comments I'm happy to oblige with my hot take. I believe that most older adaptations from animes that received newer adaptations are a lot more better, and my prime example of this are both FMA and HxH. FMA03 is such a great anime, the atmosphere, the pacing, THE MUSIC, all of this was lacking on FMA Brotherhood, even if it was following the manga more closely, they rushed the beginning too much IMO, so much that the death of certain character wasn't nearly as impactful as the 03 adaptation, they even skipped some chapters from the manga, but they had time to add an original first episode, makes no sense to me. FMAB is not a perfect adaptation and it was good, but it lacked that spark that the original FMA adaptation had. I even loved the original story that was added later in. HxH is another one of those cases, the 99 adaptation has an incredible atmosphere right out of the gate, the music is incredible and memorable, and the animation was on point. Seeing the 2011 adaptation with this glossy, oversaturated look, rushed pacing, again, from stuff that was animated before, they always do this with new adaptations, they did it with FMA too, and more recently with Shaman King too. Not only the HxH 2011 adaptation started this way but they omitted so many stuff from the source material, that including the original introduction of Kite which left so many anime-only watchers confused as to why Gon was so emotionally devastated. They even made an original backstory for him instead of just adapting the first episode of the manga to make Kite and Gon bond as they should. This disappointed me so much. Like a said, these are good adaptations with a lot of good moments but overall left so much to be desired. And that is something I cannot say about Shaman King 2021, it was just a mess from start to finish, it fell soulless and rushed, what was the point of it existing? why adapt something if it's just going to be bad. A good example of a good remake with good pacing, animation and passion put into it is Dragon Quest The Adventures of Dai. It's such a polished experience, I'm so surprised is actually being adapted by Toei Animation, they don't put this much passion and dedication to their flagship series, but they do with this one in particular which is disguntingly underrated outside of Japan, if you have time for a good old school shonen with a new coat of paint, give Dai a try.
This is exactly the feelings me and my brother have, I watched a lot of animes with my brother growing up and the first manga I read and started collecting was naruto, after that I wanted to read more manga and started the only two that my brother had, fullmetal and shaman king, and I absolutely love shaman king, the illustration, story and the vibes the caracthers passed enthralled me, I read so much that I ended up losing 5 volumes while taking them to school, it took us years looking for used volumes to complete the collection once again, after witch I reread and read the sequels and fell in love again. Some time before the remake I saw the Archipel interview with Hiroyuki Takei, it was awesome seeing his vision and how he talked about shaman king made me even more excited when the remake got announced, which makes it even more of a disappointment. I still love it, but don't have any plans of watching any of the animes, just keep reading.
What I fail to grasp is they switched to a more serious artstyle but kept some of the more cartoony scenes. It made Mortimer look like an alien. The guy playing Ryo does a half-hearted Elvis impersonation. And probably more. I never watched past episode 2.
Matter of fact video title with subjective and personal opinions. Shaman King is not dead. As far as I am aware in recent times people still talk about it. I don't like everything about the new anime but I'd recommend it over the original. You asked for our thoughts, and this video is just a hot take for me. The reason I watched was because I thought you knew something about the series that I didn't.
2nd comment: i think i'm gonna read the manga, they sell it in poland and i'll probably buy it to get the whole story, i stopped at like 10th ep of og shaman king anime and i want more
something about the new anime felt like it lost the heart and passion that the old one had, I feel the people behind the revival tried to bring it back in a more modern polished form of it but it ended up going against what the series incapsulated, I watched Shaman King in my early 20's and fell in love with it despite rough edges, even finding forms of it above 720p was impossible but I grew up in an era where we didn't have much luxury in watching anime in the best quality so it kinda brought me back. 4kids did heavily censor the show but what they did right was the voice acting, so many nostalgic vc from my youth all in 1 show, Sean Shemmel voice of Goku did Amidamaru and Ryu, Dan Green voice of Yami Yugi & Mewtwo did Silva, Voice of Seto Kaiba & Brock for Marco, Amy rose for Anna, Misty for Pirika, May for Tamao, Ash for Jeane, etc, etc, it rlly felt like atrip down memory lane all the more made greater by this great series, I wish someday it get the proper adaptation it deserves, tho I dont know because Takei even turned down madhouse which I feel could of really brought Shaman King back in the public eye but unfortunately we're in a timeline where we just see other series ripping off it's success
I understand all you meant and it’s not like I disagree. But I just like this 2021 version cause while The animation is lack luster, the characters are highly on model and I just think the colors are much better than the first anime, specially the fire spirt that was weird and pink bubble gum looking and on the 2021 version actually had a very fiery deep red. And there’s other details as well as the good over souls from the manga and not the whole giant things that the old one had. And the story follows the manga which is the best part for me. And it doesn’t shy away from its more violent parts (even tho it doesn’t reach the levels of the manga) like the old version did. So idk, it’s my guilty pleasure I guess? I just like it and flowers will be adapted and I hope to see it look cool too.
(don't mind my bad grammar, it's just that my first language isn't English) I was able to enjoy the first 38 episodes, but after that, even me who was trying to defend it wen't like "bro WHAT IS THIS" it just felt rushed why did I liked the first 38 episodes? Well, maybe cuz I don't like to go pointing out every little detail, I just like to enjoy, maybe it's because I didn't even knew it was a reboot when I first watched so I had no high hopes, but after I did watch the episodes and wen't into research and saw how everyone just hated it and how there was also another anime, I may have got my hopes up, maybe i just wen't like "welp, they saw how it turned out, maybe they will do it different next time" but NOPE my problem wasn't even with the animation, it was with the story telling, the animation look's cool to me, i don't really like to talk bad about animation when I don't fell like I need to, but the story telling, it was bad, when I first watched the first 38 episodes I was like "yeah thats ok" but when the other came it just felt like they could have added so much more JUST FROM WHAT THEY TOLD, it could have made around 6 more episodes just to do a better story telling, 4 episodes to defeat the Patch guys and 2 episodes to the "boss battle" with Hao oh yea when I first watched the reboot I haven't watched the og, but now I did and I can see why people are angry
6:13 Last I checked One Punch Man is still pretty popular. I don't care what people say the second season was not that bad and the story was still great as always. People were just spoiled by lighting in the bottle crew that made first season. Not to mention very hypocritical of them to lambast said art quality when One Punch started and still is being done by ONE in it's stylistic suck webcomic format. What made the series popular was the storytelling and character work. The anime and Manga that elevated art to match it's writing came later. Yet many forget this. Also I know you just did not diss Saint Seiya. The OG Shounen series that many owe laying the groundwork for genre as a whole. Especially since that iteration, Soul of Gold, was a great addition to that franchise. 12:27 - 12:35 I fail to see to how Soul Eater is a Shaman King rip off. That seems to reaching and just projecting some of your own bitterness onto it. It is very much its own thing. Not to mention insulting to said mangaka. Lastly if you want shounen anime/manga that also recently got a second chance, but done right then HIGHLY recommend Dragon Quest: Dai No Bouken/ Adventure of Dai 2020 anime. It still ongoing but in few months time will conclude. Regardless has great quality and supported by a balanced cast with superb writing. It's very much being slept on by most of the anime community despite it's positives.
Shaman King just did not get what it deserved. I watched the original adaptanio from early 2000s, and now collecting new editions of manga in english (3in1 editions..., which suck). The new adaptation seems boring, idk, maybe I just outgrew it, and the new english manag releases are so bad :( really deserved better.
I remember reading Shaman King in the Monthly Shonen Jumps that came out in the States in the early 2000s and always loved everything about it. Yoh is easily one of my favorite MCs and really helped shape how I look at the world. I watched about 10 episodes of the reboot and had to give up when they went to save Ren because it was just so... rough to say the least haha
From what i heard for polish 90s kids it is a cult classic, both between weaboos and regular cartoon watchers cuz it was dubbed and had run on a major cartoon channel here, its interesting how sometimes ppl who haven't even heard a term "anime" in their life recall Shaman King as their favourite cartoon
The old Shaman King is far better mostly cuz of the dub voice acting as it had one of the best english dub voice acting imo on par or better than the Death Note dub which is also S tier dub, there are very few flaws with the old Shaman King mostly near the end series and they are little things for me so overall its an amazing series.
I actually checked out the new shaman king because of your vid, i watched like 10 episodes weekly with friends but that was about it... it never became good, its a shame but hey, it is what it is.
Shaman king would of had a chance but needed more episodes since they tried to through 52 episodes with 45 volumes and the studio who made it it’s pretty good but it could of been far better
Shaman King was one of the unique anime I would catch on Jetix as a kid when I came home after school. I'd have no clue what was going on and would be lucky to see two consecutive episodes that explained the plot. Either way, it had a certain feel and vibe that ingrained itself into my memory. It was weird and fresh but the character design stood out and the MC had the chillest look ever. All in all, it was a vibe.
I remember when you posted your Shamen King video and I started watching as it aired. I got about 10 episodes in and can agree with your disappointment of the adaptation
The animation is so bad it hurts. Shaman King is one of my favorite series due to it's cultural themes and fun cast of series. The producers didn't even try with this one
Now they had te guts to announce an anime adaptation of the sequel which is not only incomplete due to cancellation and other problems. But it is also way worse than the original
Im really glad you showed that one Naruto episode in the Chunin Exams Arc because that to me is the best example of drawing out scenes with poorly drawn still frames (Saying that though I think the animators were rushed making it)
I was still incredibly happy too see Osorezan Revoir Arc animated and the poem covered by Megumi based on a fanmade niconico video made it on TV got me mad emotional. It got me feeling that the teams really loved Shaman King. All the OPs and EDs were awesome. Sad it didn't get the modern shonen treatment recent Shonen Jump manga's are getting, but after sticking with it for a year I had enough Shaman King. edit: Nvm, probably still gonna watch Flowers lmao
The first adaptation of Shaman King was one of my first anime. Despite all it's flaws, I still love it dearly. The manga I read much later in life, and yet even it has found a special place in my heart. There are things in the anime, concepts, ideas, that left an impact on me. I can see in the new adaptation that they wanted to show all those ideas, but were dragged down by budget and puny episode quota. I think that ultimately that's what killed this new adaptation -- the episode count. The manga has over 300 chapters, and they (as in, the people whose jobs are to fit an anime into a schedule) gave it only 52 episodes. They let Takei have the original voice cast, as he wanted, but in return gave him a sub-par animation studio and tight schedule. I've read almost every manga Takei has written, and many of them have been cut short, Shaman King being one of them. He had to finish the original manga much sooner than he wanted, and it took him almost 7 years to write and publish the finished version. Since then, he has written a sequel, that also got snuffed. He then, just as he did with the original manga, had to fight tooth and nail to continue the sequel. As of writing this comment, it is still ongoing. So, as long as the mangaka is concerned, he still loves Shaman King dearly. I think the production studio did him dirty.
Like you said in the video the standards for animation in anime are sky rocketing. We’ve been spoiled by shows like demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen so when shows aren’t able to deliver a standard as high as those they’re often going to be over looked and left behind no matter how much potential they have. As someone who watched the first 7 episodes weekly when they were coming out it had a very interesting premise and even though I didn’t read the original scource material,it being a early 2000’s manga naturally it had a nostalgic feel that I think if been paired with amazing animation could’ve definitely took off.
Yeah I feel the same. If it had just been paired with better production I think it could have gained a ton of hype over here. Instead it dropped and everyone was dead silent. Sad
I reread it in the summer of 2018 along with Hikaru no Go. I miss old shonen like this, and that grit you mentioned with the animation. Sad to see the anime go down this much...
This video could not have come out at a better time for me. I 100% understand how you feel and your thoughts in this video mirror my own recent anxieties as my favorite manga nears adaptation. Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer is an incredibly important Manga to me. It was the first manga I ever read that had no anime. I love that story with every fiber of my being, its one of the best stories ever made to me. And in July it gets its anime adaptation, after over a decade. This is its chance to climb out of obscurity and finally see the fame it deserves. I worry so much, one that it will be a faithful adaptation. But also that it will just slip by again, and fade into insecurity. A few trending sakuga moments can be all it takes to catapult a show into mainstream conscious, but without those, a seasonal waifu, or a large existing audience most shows just slip by on social media. So it would break my heart to see my friends who don't read manga and anime watchers just ignore this show cause the adaptation looked bland. So I understand your disappointment watching Shaman King just kinda slip on by the mainstream again when its writing is better than many current shows, and the feeling unable to recommend to people cause it may just bore them. I want to add that personally I have been really enjoying the new Shaman King adaptation. But I recognize that this comes purely from the strength of its writing and characters. I also recognize that having grown up in that era I have a high tolerance for older anime animation "quirks" and that if I had come from the Manga or watched more of the OG anime I probably would have been disappointed to. Especially when Manga with worse characters and writing (sorry Demon Slayer, I love you but I have issues) are getting some of the greatest animation in modern times, and new shaman king.... looks better than some Isekais and that's it. So thank you for making this video at a very important time for me.
You absolutely sound like someone who fried their dopamine receptors 10 years ago. You watched too many modern shows too fast and completely ruined your ability to enjoy anything that isn't 100% up to current standards. Obviously, animation is very important in anime. No one likes to watch something poor like Berserk 2016, for example. But watching a well made show and being bothered by still frames for no reason other than "it's not 2001 anymore" is such a shallow mindset. Honestly dude, slow down and let your dopamine receptors heal. It will make you a much happier person because you will be able to enjoy anime for more reasons than "hehe cutting edge 3D camera going brrrrrrr".
This. I watched the new adaptation precisely because the voice actors came back and the faithful manga adaptation. Like, damn, if those can be achieved with some compromises, then so be it. This guy asks too much for an IP that's already pretty limited in terms of audience really
Bro, you're literally defending an anime , an ANIMATION not having animation You literally said "bro you really have high expectations for a show in 2021 to look better than it looked in 2001" and yes, the 2001 show actually has animation in its fights
@@cracktoon_powerscaling @Crack toon Really? Out of all the egregious examples of animes with no animation since last year and now you put Shaman King reboot in that camp? I find that quite disingenuous. There's plenty to be criticized in Shaman King reboot's handling of pacing and plot points that got cut. But stills in fight scenes is hardly a sin.
With better production it was doable but the staff, studio etc really fumbled it I think. It's so rare that a manga gets a second adaptation and they /don't/ get it right tho. Sad stuff
I remember reading the manga and watching the old anime, and I have to say the Manga version was far superior in many regards! I was hoping for this new adaptation to blow me off my socks! But as you mentioned there was something stale, or just lifeless about the design and direction of this adaptation, which is just super sad, cause It had such a big opportunity to be goofy, exciting and very adventurous, but as you said, I don't think the right team was put to work on this project, and it just shows. To me a good adaptation has to capture the soul and feel, and enhancing it with good sound design, interesting style and captivating scenes.
i can definitely see where you're coming from, but as someone who first heard about it when its second run was announced, and has watched the entire new season of it, never having seen the source material or the older version of the anime, i absolutely adored it. it gave me exactly what i wanted at the time, and it so many emotions in me inebriating. it was a masterpiece of a shounen
For real, Shaman King Reboot is the only Shounen I had any interest in and it delivered everything I wanted. I guess some people are just animation obsessed these days 🤷
@@priestesslucy3299 As someone who grew up with Shaman King, both its 2001 anime and it's original Manga, and isn't a person who is, as you said "animation obsessed", when It comes to the reboot it was around episode 3 that I felt dissapointed. The Lee Pyron fight was noticeably not as well animated as its 2001 counterpart and that's when I started noticing it throughout the reboot. I understood going into that to do a 1:1 adaptation of the manga would be almost impossible in the episode number given and thus the plot would be rushed in a lot of spots, and a lot of the characterization moments would be viewed as superfluous and cut to speed up the process. But I still couldn't help but feel dissapointed by the quality of the animation. Had this been an anime that was a different genre, I wouldn't complain as I'm more for the story than the animation itself, but SK is an Action Battle manga and from those 2 genres I expect more animation for battle especially to be present. Mind you I couldn't be too dissapointed, as the last decade and some change of reboots of things I love (for example Sailor Moon Crystal) has hardened me to be ready for at least some dissapointment, and at least pleased when I'm not as dissapointed as I thought I would be.
Yeah i finished watching it yesterday, basically binged the entire 50 or so episodes in less then a week and its my favorite anime. I do like how even though it was supposed to be like a full action packed anime im glad that its more relaxed and honestly wayy more interesting. The stories for all the characters feel phenomenal and pretty much all of the stories get me close to tears. Although i havent even really begun reading the anime adaptation so my opinions may heavily vary but yeah as of now i saw and still see no flaws for this anime. Idc that its so slow paced and that it has kind of lacking animation quality. I still adored every second of it.
I was like you having only discovered the series because of the remake and I adored it as well. I watched the original anime alongside the remake up to the break for the Olympics which is when I finished the original. I loved the original and I love the remake even more. Shaman King is easily in my top five favourites now and Yohs now my second favourite anime character. I can’t really explain why but the series just really resonated with me. I totally get peoples criticisms of the animation and pacing issues but the remake as is is still better then no remake at all and at least now the canon ending has been animated. I met around a dozen people on Twitter and Reddit that I called friends, three that were really good friends and one that was a really really good friend and even though I’m not friends with any of them anymore I never would have met them had it not been for Shaman King so for that I’m thankful. The last year and a bit was some of the toughest times in my entire life and if I hadn’t gotten into Shaman King I wouldn’t have gone through that stuff but I’d rather have the series in my life then not have it. I can already tell that Flowers/Super Star doesn’t have the charm that the original has and I put that down to Yoh which makes the series even more special.
