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The disturbing truth about Tim Ballard and Operation Underground Railroad (part one) 

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Given the release of OUR's new movie, "The Sound of Freedom", we felt it was important to take you on a deep dive of Tim Ballard, Operation Underground Railroad, and human trafficking misinformation being peddled by right-wing opportunists.
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@nessacrist21723
@nessacrist21723 Год назад
There are 85,000 missing children that came across the US boarder in the last year. Nobody talks about that. Our country still has a big hand in slavery.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
where did you get that number?
@deniser3891
@deniser3891 Год назад
Exactly! I'm from Mexico and I know this is really happening bc I myself almost got kidnapped by someone and this was back in the early 90s. Also the border is full of gang members and sex/drug traffickers and the border is an easy place for traffickers to do this y'all have no idea
@claychrisley3691
@claychrisley3691 Год назад
Something that no one talks about yet is very real though our government suppresses, because our current government is strongly involved in making money just like Epstein’s island. Where is the list you will be surprised all the officials in movie stars that went there frequently that’s why there’s no list.
@Sandlin22
@Sandlin22 11 месяцев назад
​@ZelphOntheShelf The New York Times reported it. The statement requires context. Of the 130,000 unaccompanied minors that entered the U.S. after they were placed with "sponsors" the Department of Human Health Services could not find 85000 of them. So the claim of "missing" is perhaps too nefarious sounding. However it is a fact according to the Department of Human Health Services that when they attempted to do the required 30 day follow up on the children's well being they could not find 85000 of them.
@chrissy6908
@chrissy6908 11 месяцев назад
That’s what Sound of Freedom is talking about. This is why the border needs to be an actual check point and not just open. Sound of Freedom is not about perfect white hurls being taken. I don’t know where this is even coming from..
@RaeannPeck
@RaeannPeck Год назад
No decent person in any church or community is okay with sexual abuse of children.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
Amen
@Arkstromater
@Arkstromater 11 месяцев назад
@@ZelphOntheShelfbut if you question a movie about trafficking that was made by a q anon pushing trump supporter…..”your a pedophile”
@MrXtenzion
@MrXtenzion 11 месяцев назад
Except if the preacher does it :D :D :D
@yucol5661
@yucol5661 11 месяцев назад
Except when the beloved princess reputation is at stake. The it’s all forgive and shun the “lying slut seductress” victim. Not in all churches. But far too many. Propel just don’t know how to deal with a person you know doing sexual abuse. So moving on and shoving it down the carpet is way more easy.
@lizkt
@lizkt 11 месяцев назад
Yes that's why I'm confused why these people are making this video...
@ashveensingh3389
@ashveensingh3389 Год назад
I’m in the middle here. I’m just curious, why aren’t we more worried about the children. I don’t really care about Ballard or the actors or anyone. I’m just worried about the children being trafficked. I’m a law student and I’ve learned that The stats are not going to ever be accurate because its just an unreported issue. Ballard isn’t depicting children getting snatched up off the street. He’s showing children in Latin America being put into a system of trafficking and being sold. I’m also curious why you guys keep saying “white suburban girl” being kidnapped or “perfect children” being kidnapped. Shouldn’t we be worried about ALL and ANY children being kidnapped? Any child being trafficked is awful……. PS I’m not right wing, I just want to save children.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
we ARE worried about the children. anyone who cares about children SHOULD worry about “anti-trafficking” groups creating demand for child trafficking
@ashveensingh3389
@ashveensingh3389 Год назад
@@ZelphOntheShelf so I’m still not catching your drift. This man saved children. I watched your whole video and it’s as confusing as ever if you’re claiming to care
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
@@ashveensingh3389 his operations have gone into areas with no prior occurrence of child trafficking and created a demand for it by incentivizing extremely impoverished people so that they could profit off of “freeing” them without proper aftercare. anybody who is against human trafficking needs to take that VERY seriously
@ashveensingh3389
@ashveensingh3389 Год назад
@@ZelphOntheShelf you should go to these countries for yourself and do something about it then. My parents come from horrendous poverty and from what I know about their lives I wouldn’t trade my privileged life for an ounce of theirs. Please do go and document it so we can physically see it for ourselves. I’d love some first hand evidence if you don’t mind.
@ExposingLies-xc6fw
@ExposingLies-xc6fw Год назад
​@@ashveensingh3389their two liars and been exposed
@shelleymays8529
@shelleymays8529 11 месяцев назад
If Tim Ballard sincerely wants to help. Let him use his millions to help the children and wives of the FLDS. A perfect example of sex trafficking, considering the Lost boys are part of this unbelievable situation. I can't believe this is still happening in 2023.I was so pleased that Warren Jeff's was imprisoned. It didn't stop it though. I live in Idaho and in 1977 I gave birth to a daughter in Rexburg. My doctor LaVar Withers, inappropriately touched and fondled me. I learned years later that the church members and authorities, covered up for him. He molested over 500 women. It went to trial and he was convicted, but I don't think he saw a day in jail. So many ways, women are degraded. I'm surprised that doctors story hasn't come out on a podcast.
@ramanpreciado2241
@ramanpreciado2241 10 месяцев назад
No one is trying to go against your cause but to put down the trafficking in other countries and to stop helping other people because you think your cause is better is messed up.
@catht9653
@catht9653 Год назад
I appreciate the "ding" when you post stats because I often listen without watching, so I love the signal to look! Also, very important video. Proud to be a Patron!
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
glad you appreciate them! i was wondering whether they helped or not! -tanner
@ellenmoffatt2537
@ellenmoffatt2537 Год назад
It’s very satisfying I’m obsessed actually
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
@@ellenmoffatt2537 so glad i added them at 4 am lololol
@timnewman1172
@timnewman1172 Год назад
​@@ZelphOntheShelfYes Tanner, it helps!
@ericreed4535
@ericreed4535 Год назад
​@@ZelphOntheShelfYour respect for others, intellectual honesty, being aware of cognitive biases and filtering them to a large degree is very welcome. The LDS Church isn't serious about preventing child sex abuse. They only make change when FORCED. The McKonkie 1-800 is just risk mitigation. Catholics, Mormons and their mutual Boy Scouts abuse shocks the conscience.
@crystal1663
@crystal1663 Год назад
I was sucked in , i saw the PR of this days before the release of the film by Mel Gibson then that took me to operation toussaint and i was floored in tears for the babies almost vomiting more than usual in anger, i was in awe of TB and the team , i immediately asked what i could do to help , thanked them and followed them across all socials , posted and sent the documententary to all my WA ! The next day a couple of my good reasearchers and compassionate about the world sent me a couple of bits of information about TB passed and maybe this cant be trusted 100% due to these alarming facts about his criminal past, regarding the accidents and 'unalived' suspicious sudden deaths from others in the public eye whom was exposing this information , why is this particular Team and documentary allowed! I absolutely am so grateful for people that do genuinely do this work to save children from evil and i wish the rumours are untrue bcoz ive been heart broken at the thought that weve been manipulated again by the media ! We can all do more to stop child traffiing #stophurtingourchildren
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
hi there if you have any information or people we could contact about an investigator being unalived, we’d greatly appreciate it. we are happy to keep it confidential. zelphontheshelf@gmail.com
@QuinnPrice
@QuinnPrice 9 месяцев назад
Lynn Packer's investigatory reporting shows Tim to be a liar. Tim can't keep a story straight. Now with his predatory behavior coming to light, I can understand why LDS inc wants distance.
@shelleymays8529
@shelleymays8529 11 месяцев назад
One of my favorite quotes from a movie that I think is so appropriate to understand. If you suffer your people to be ill-educated , and their manners corrupted from infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded, sire, but that you first make them thieves and then punish them? Love you two.💜💙
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 11 месяцев назад
The prince has read Utopia!
@raylawler13
@raylawler13 Год назад
Wow, really well researched. And the editing with sources is fantastic. The part with all the Floodlit headlines about former LDS leaders made me physically ill. That needs to be made into a tiktok clip/short.
@owg952
@owg952 Год назад
I appreciate the relativistic, big-picture look at the topic of human trafficking here, but uhh... nobody denies all the other facets of human trafficking, while the things that happened to the kids in Sound of Freedom do actually happen. If you're gonna take relativism all the way, you're gonna have to question the validity of the citations you use, the gathered data and statistics, etc., and at the end of the day you can only trust your own judgment if you're going to be honest with yourself. Tthe victims in the movie are not white btw
@JBJones66
@JBJones66 Год назад
My favorite is people saying the "mainstream media" is IGNORING the sound of freedom movie. As if it isn't standard for a low budget non major studio movie to get a small amount of press.
@JBJones66
@JBJones66 Год назад
Not to mention twitter has been pushing this movie on my feed constantly even though I keep clicking "not interested in this ad." lol
@lessismoya
@lessismoya Год назад
And I literally get an ad for it in every other video.
@daisymae4587
@daisymae4587 Год назад
And the conspiracy theories about AMC & other theaters sabotaging showings. Crazy
@xXMrGamePlayerXx
@xXMrGamePlayerXx Год назад
Except this movie passed Indiana Jones in the box office, unlike other small budget movies...so your argument is invalid
@ZLaw21
@ZLaw21 Год назад
@@daisymae4587legit thought it was conspiratorial too…except I heard all these other people talking about the theaters AFTER I saw the film July 5-my theater was hot as hell..I sat by a Frickin a little oscillating fan and the lights wouldn’t turn off
@mckennazohner7456
@mckennazohner7456 Год назад
"so if a child abuser says he's very very sorry your local dentist who's acting as a bishop can decide if there needs to be criminal prosecution" OMG
@TienFrogget
@TienFrogget Год назад
I just have to say -- I have been watching your videos for years, and I have been so impressed by how much you both have grown and evolved over the last year or so especially. I feel like your content has matured so much, and I really, really value the conversations that you continue to have. I appreciate how level-headed and self-aware you strive to be, and that hard work is really paying off with some serious quality content. Thank you both so much. Also -- I've been following the Tim Ballard controversy for quite a while now and I believe him to be deeply problematic for so many reasons. I feel like this video has done such an excellent job of really laying things out and explaining many of these problems in detail, and tying it back into many of the issues in Mormonism as well. Thank you so much for putting this together. I'm really looking forward to listening to part 2.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
Reading this comment while lying in bed after Abba disco night and THANK YOU SO MUCH. That is so encouraging to hear 🥺💜💜💜
@ZLaw21
@ZLaw21 Год назад
What the fuck did they “lay out and explain” lol
@crawleyr4919
@crawleyr4919 11 месяцев назад
What are you even talking about?
@TienFrogget
@TienFrogget 11 месяцев назад
@@crawleyr4919 have you watched their videos for years?
@ruthgoodwin5466
@ruthgoodwin5466 Год назад
As a social worker for the past 30 years, i could not have said it better. I am profoundly grateful for your macro approach and understanding of this painful reality that is so complicated with tangled levels of poverty, racism and colonialism to mention a few entanglements. Ballard is profiting off this horrific reality and needs to be shut down. There are reputable organizations that understand the complexity of the issues and they need our donation. You are my next generation of hope-keep going, it makes a difference ❤
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
This is so lovely, thank you!! 💖💖
@klamaie
@klamaie Год назад
You can't be serious? When was the last time you had your boots on the ground in Haiti or Ecuador or anyplace uncomfortable. He's profiting? He's putting his life in danger while you sit in your AC comfy home slamming something you know nothing about! Ignorance is So sad!
@gemini_man66
@gemini_man66 11 месяцев назад
This problem is very much the same business model as the good 'ol "War on Drugs." Keep the people on the ground busy going after low to mid level people while stifling, pausing, and shutting down cases as the money/product trail starts getting hotter. This is global, has always existed, will always exist until a reset button is pushed because it's a huge, ugly Octopus with tentacles spreading far and wide with a head that's divided into corrupt global compartments.
@gennietayfer7514
@gennietayfer7514 Год назад
La traduction ne fonctionne pas sur youtube depuis quelques jours, je suis francophone et j'aimerais bien tout comprendre! Merci!
@kierasthoughts2480
@kierasthoughts2480 11 месяцев назад
Could you please site the articles you mention so us viewers are able to do further reading to make up our minds as well as links to your merch?
@Lookatmedonnad
@Lookatmedonnad Год назад
people in the south are eating this up too.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
🤮
@BabyGirlRaven
@BabyGirlRaven 11 месяцев назад
When they started talking about Joseph Smith married and having sex with underage girls, it reminded me of what my mother did to me. I was 14 1/2 my mother and my first husband concocted some scheme and they got me to go to St. George Utah and my mother forced me to marry him because it’s legal there but then she wouldn’t let me move out of the house I had to stay there and since I was never married and wasn’t going to school. I was going to clean the house. I did everything except for cooking because I couldn’t cook and I have never heard of such a thing. This was back in 1989. He then ended up beating me so bad that I almost died back then we had water beds if you’ve never heard of one look it up, but he wedged in my face in between the wood frame and the waterbed mattress itself, and he tried to smother me, and then he did a few other things, but I almost died, luckily by the grace of God, I was able to get away from that man I had him arrested and then he got out and did the same thing to a friend of mine. She didn’t believe he would do that to her. She only thought it was me because we were married and I told her I said once that type of person doesn’t like that they’re always going to do that and to this day he’s in prison for getting hot selling drugs. Luckily when you’re in Vegas, you can get a divorce in two weeks so I haven’t been married to that man in a very long time I have to say that was probably the hardest thing I ever went through.
@FaisaBeauty
@FaisaBeauty 11 месяцев назад
I'm very sorry to hear about how your awful experience. Your ex-husband and mother who did all these awful things to you and betrayed you at such a young age will be severely punished for the things they have done on the day of Judgement.
@MM-zo1zw
@MM-zo1zw 11 месяцев назад
Tim Ballard is solving a horrific issue based on his strengths and resources available to him. He is also raising awareness so that other people may share their strengths and resources. He is not able to solve social and political issues. His organization do some empowerment and rehabilitation of these vulnerable children. This critical nit picking of people who actually do the work is just a reflection of envy and malice from outside sources. If you are not the solution don't be part of the problem.
@claudermiller
@claudermiller 11 месяцев назад
No organization should be above scrutiny. Predators rely on that kind of thinking. Asking questions won't get anyone in trouble if they've never done anything.
@yucol5661
@yucol5661 11 месяцев назад
His organization is lighter on the helping victims part tough. They are not being criticized for helping children. They are being criticized for doing so much less than their peers. They help less, they plan less, they give less and shorter support. They are the glory seeking heroes of the field. And they know how to make money and sell twisted and exaggerated stories (not even exaggerated on the evil part, it’s just as evil as the stories, but plain real life evil doesn’t sell as well as dramatic action evil)
@kirajenmystic9955
@kirajenmystic9955 11 месяцев назад
@MM-zo1zw Respectfully, I disagree in that I don't think Tim Ballard and OUR are solving anything. They might have a half-ass, guns-blazing idea to slap a Band-Aid on the cut and hope it heals, but it doesn't sound like they're willing to acknowledge the real dirt causing the issues at the root of the problem, or to collaborate with other professional organizations to work on those root issues, or to at least collaborate on sting operations instead of getting in the way and screwing them up. Also, where is your proof that the OUR organization is providing aftercare for the rescued children (other than the vague claims made on their website)? Finally, I'm curious who you think is jealous of or malicious towards Tim Ballard. Why would anyone be jealous of him?
@maryburton-majure5350
@maryburton-majure5350 11 месяцев назад
They obviously have the lgbtq n blm agenda...children are children and the very fact that they tagged to expose Tim but yackety yack on like npc's in need of a safe space. Oh...sorry to offend but anyone immersed in ANY religious cult is already owned n controlled. These guys are tools.
@gerardflorentin7623
@gerardflorentin7623 11 месяцев назад
So far I haven't see anyone who criticize Tim Ballard hasn't done any action to go and save any kid... So what is behind all this...
@christineafrica8097
@christineafrica8097 Год назад
These guys are twisted.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
right? i mean why should we trust people who constantly lie about verifiable facts? www.sltrib.com/opinion/2023/07/25/robert-gehrke-tim-ballards-story/
@emophase2224
@emophase2224 Год назад
My dad served in Chile during Pinochet. Never told me much about it, just kinda brought it up at dinner and we moved on lol
@JBJones66
@JBJones66 Год назад
Wouldn't be surprised if Tim Ballard ran for office in the next couple of years.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
Sounds like he’s about to go down
@Cosmically_Forsaken
@Cosmically_Forsaken Год назад
I think he might have been hoping for that but idk if I’ll be able to with how negatively he’s being seen
@sdfotodude
@sdfotodude Год назад
I'd be even less surprised if he was convicted of fraud or sexual assault.
@grantbeck9228
@grantbeck9228 Год назад
@@Cosmically_Forsakenhave you heard about this guy named Trump? Hasn’t hurt him at all
@LamaniteLiving
@LamaniteLiving Год назад
That’s the point!!! 💯
@vincelemaire
@vincelemaire 11 месяцев назад
Are you referring to efrem zelony-mindell? Or to william and zachary zulock?
@selinahopeformefarm
@selinahopeformefarm Год назад
I am a survivor of domestic minor sex trafficking in the US, child abuse, and CSAM(child abuse materials). I was born into generational abuse. my grandfather was LDS and an elder in the church. he started abusing me before I was 2. I was taken from him after my grandmother died at 5. I was 6 yrs old and in kindergarten when I was first sold to a man in a motel. my trafficker was my mother and her boyfriend. I was 7 when they first used me in CSAM(child abuse materials). I ran away at 15 finishing the 10th grade as a homeless teen. I have worked in the anti-trafficking movement for over a decade. I am considered an HT Expert. I have worked with over 400 victims of trafficking. I developed sustainable treatment options for victims of HT. I train LE and others on HT. I have worked on legislation on HT and helped to get bills passed into law. I also developed an age-appropriate curriculum for schools 6th grade -high school on trafficking child abuse CSAM and online safety. I work with other survivor leaders all over the US and in other countries. I have worked with The Polaris Project Office of Victims of Crimes, Homeland Security, Thorn, and others. I also take in minors who have been trafficked. I met Tim Ballard in 2014 and again in 2015 when I was speaking at a summit on trafficking. in 2016 I reached out to OUR for help with aftercare for 4 survivors of trafficking. that is when I learned more about the inflated numbers of "rescues" and victims they were using to raise money! In 2019 they brought in 21 million! Tim Ballard and OUR are not at all what they seem! I have learned many things about them both over the years doing the work I do and also have first-hand experiences with Tim and OUR. Thank you for putting this out! it's ALL about Money FOR THEM not about HT or the victims. in fact, the human trafficking experts I work with have had meetings on OUR. Honestly, they are dangerous. They are not trauma-informed and they revictimize and retraumatize. I'll never forget Tim taking a picture with me ...standing next to the "survivor" and feeling like ...I was being used for his profit! His ego is HUGE
@DanOlly-ol6xk
@DanOlly-ol6xk Год назад
So am I and when I met Tim he was more than helpful, helped me with getting my recovery started, I met many survivors alot saved by Tim and they all said good things about him.
@DanOlly-ol6xk
@DanOlly-ol6xk Год назад
Have you any evidence to prove Tim is lying?
@TylerShacklefordDurden
@TylerShacklefordDurden Год назад
​@@DanOlly-ol6xkcheck out the salt lake tribune Robert Gehrke: Tim Ballard’s story in the ‘Sound of Freedom’ seems too good to be true - because it isn’t true
@user-xy1ru6yt7n
@user-xy1ru6yt7n 11 месяцев назад
Such a "cultured" discussion...shame you don't care about some of the audience who doesn't care for your foul language.
@satashtheoneandonly153
@satashtheoneandonly153 Год назад
Thank you! So glad I asked about this the other day.
@Karena-vw4di
@Karena-vw4di 11 месяцев назад
How innocent you are.... I hope. I am an atheist but work with CR victims. My heart breaks for these kids every day, whether they know their attacker or not. My heart breaks for their families who could not protect them. I am blessed to have been well cared for as a child but we do need to talk about what is happening, we do need to open our eyes and hearts to protect all children. If this stuff does not draw tears I don't know what to say.
@certainlyitis
@certainlyitis Год назад
Great video! You two always share thoughts and insights that are little "ah-ha moments" for me. I was quite happy to hear you play a part of one of Lynn Packer's videos. For any viewers who aren't aware, Lynn Packer, an investigative reporter, has done 29 youtube videos over the last few years going over O.U.R in depth. They are very much worth the watch.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
YES
@ericreed4535
@ericreed4535 Год назад
Lynn is VERY good at what he does. I wish he had more exposure. Imagine Lynn in a 60 minutes type role.
@hopehopehopehope3747
@hopehopehopehope3747 11 месяцев назад
Shame on you. This is so repulsive to watch you try and spin this as a political jab while these people are out risking their lives to save ALL children. You are what is wrong with this country.
@ericreed4535
@ericreed4535 11 месяцев назад
@@hopehopehopehope3747 They should start by stopping to cover up abuse in the LDS and scouting community. Real heroes kick down doors of human traffickers daily without trying to make money off of it. Learn the details of OUR. It's not what they portrayed to the public. Your blind following of fraud is the real problem. Project much?
@adammcqueen6876
@adammcqueen6876 11 месяцев назад
I'll be happy to have an objective debate about what y'all have said. Former intel community.
@lolad407
@lolad407 Год назад
Thank you for this video. I had a suspicion Tim Ballard was not authentic. I was looking into information, and you really gave me some. The issue of human and child trafficking is serious and the last thing we need is a false hero.
@SkyWalker-nd3bd
@SkyWalker-nd3bd Год назад
These two are going of on unreliable sources with no evidence whatsoever, unlike Tim who has everything documented and backed up. These two keep deleting comments when exposed, they also support the UN who have been exposed for human trafficking and they want to teach children from ages of 0-5 about masturbation, according to these two those are the experts. These two don't care about children, if Tim wasn't religious these two wouldn't have even made this bs video.
@JovaniOvO
@JovaniOvO Год назад
Chris Kyle the American Sniper is a flase hero, yet crickets 🤔 I guess there's no political agenda there.
@lolad407
@lolad407 Год назад
That's another movie I will never watch. Anyway,there are a lot of false heroes in this world. I was just limiting my comment to the one most relevant to this topic.
@Sandlin22
@Sandlin22 11 месяцев назад
A false hero? How many kids have you rescued? 🤔
@lolad407
@lolad407 11 месяцев назад
@Sandlin22 I have not, very publicly, put myself out as saving children. I have not exploited very dangerous and traumatic experiences for profit and politics. Tim Ballard has not been completely truthful about his experiences and deeds, so I would not be able to state that he has saved children that needed to be saved, but for arguments sake let's say he has saved many children. That is a blessing to those children, their families, and the world. But to do the other things he has done removes any accolades he should receive. If a house was burning, and a person walking down the street found a parent and persuaded them to put their child in the burning house so they could save them, that person is not a hero. Assuming he did save children, if a person walking past that burning house did actually save a child that was in that house and then made a movie that embellished the story beyond reason and people doubted that story enough to look into this person and discover their other nefarious actions they are open to criticism.
@kolesplacepodcast
@kolesplacepodcast Год назад
So when I worked for salt lakes Comic-Con I met a producer that introduced me to OUR That was working on their first documentary and has since removed his affiliation. And I'm friends with the wife of one of the main guys part of the rescues initially. Her husband left along with many others because of obviously things that you guys have ran into. But so much more that you all don't even know... Thanks for putting this out as I'm sure the backlash will be fun. But they are really corrupt and they need to be called out.
@annwood6812
@annwood6812 Год назад
Tells us more.
@noahbossier1131
@noahbossier1131 11 месяцев назад
Tell us some more
@jean-marclamothe8859
@jean-marclamothe8859 11 месяцев назад
She can’t tell you more as she has no clue, just story telling of a yong woman
@kolesplacepodcast
@kolesplacepodcast 11 месяцев назад
@@noahbossier1131 we have a podcast on our channel, we'll be talking about my experience working with them in the coming next few episodes
@kolesplacepodcast
@kolesplacepodcast 11 месяцев назад
@@jean-marclamothe8859 my resume would say otherwise. But you assuming that about a stranger just speaks to your biases. Not my clear real world experience with them and much better organizations making me clearly more of an authority to speak on it.
@sarak6860
@sarak6860 10 месяцев назад
Now the LDS church has spoken against Tim Ballard.
@BlunderWoman
@BlunderWoman Год назад
Watching as much of this as possible during my break in sunny Ramsgate :)
@ellenmoffatt2537
@ellenmoffatt2537 Год назад
Ew man the second anointing really empowers ANY kind of unethical behavior…. Yikes
@danielsykes7558
@danielsykes7558 Год назад
In lieu of a Christmas/birthday present one year, my brother asked me to donate to them ....
@danielsykes7558
@danielsykes7558 Год назад
Also, my brother m0l3st3d me as a kid. Like .... Um ... What
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
Oh god, I’m so sorry on both accounts :/ 🩵🩵🩵🩵
@rotag-itsni
@rotag-itsni Год назад
Holy shit, just stumbled on you guys while looking for a good expose on ol Timmy and this was so we’ll done. Great stuff!
@snack99
@snack99 Год назад
Such a horrible view
@gennietayfer7514
@gennietayfer7514 Год назад
I don't denial, on the contrary but always giving money here and there and worshiping movie actors is not going to stop these criminals and celebrities if nothing conclusive is ever exposed. never bother the real culprits...,🤔 They make films to get the emotion of the masses and their money.... The more it changes, the more it's the same🙄 How do we give the culprits what they deserve if we're never shown them? They make movies but never show the culprits!🙄They want you to empty your tissue boxes and your pockets of your money and meanwhile the culprits walk free....😡
@BroughtTheSmoke
@BroughtTheSmoke 11 месяцев назад
You guys do realize this movie is to spread awareness and motivate parent's to keep a closer eye on our kids. So let us have this
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 11 месяцев назад
but what it’s doing is creating a false sense of what the danger is, how it plays out, and what the helpful response is. if you want to feel scared just to feel scared, watch a horror movie.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 11 месяцев назад
The story told in the film is demonstrably untrue and experts in the anti-trafficking field are criticizing Tim (who has been fired from OUR) and OUR for good reasons, which we outline in this video.
@Debra309
@Debra309 11 месяцев назад
Ok, so why not be honest and call it fictional rather than “based on a true story”? What’s the point in falsely promoting this movie other that boost OUR donations and catapult Ballard into starhood as a superhero based solely on lies?
@BroughtTheSmoke
@BroughtTheSmoke 11 месяцев назад
I don't believe y'all are seeing the big picture here. He deserves to be wealthy. It's not about the movie at the end of the day it's about keeping our people safe and exposing the sickos out there that's in are everyday life's.
@BroughtTheSmoke
@BroughtTheSmoke 11 месяцев назад
@@ZelphOntheShelf he didn't get fired he went independent 🤦‍♂️
@seekingbeans
@seekingbeans Год назад
You guys are so great. So grateful for all your work, research, and vulnerability in sharing your journeys over the years. I feel expanded and enriched everytime I sit with you (parasocially ofc). Love yall ❤️
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
🩵🩵🩵🩵🩵
@Teelo_Green
@Teelo_Green Год назад
The contrast between your glorious light outfits and vibes and the dark nauseating topic is staggering. Great content as always 🌟♥️
@keymeter1917
@keymeter1917 Год назад
Luv your comment about the contrast about the colour of their dual outfits and the dark topic. I did not notice this. Youre very observant.
@DukesaHazzard01
@DukesaHazzard01 Год назад
I support everything you guys do! Can I have all the sites and quotes please? It’s so hard to sort though everything on this subject
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
yeah we will throw everything in a google doc eventually
@stephelizabeth
@stephelizabeth 11 месяцев назад
@@ZelphOntheShelfhas this been done yet?
@j.d.salinger2317
@j.d.salinger2317 7 месяцев назад
In 1.11.14 of the podcast You mentioned a Human traffic expert Lindsay Stock ,who criitize OUR .I couldnt find any info about her, please provide wed link about Lindsay Stock . @@ZelphOntheShelf
@Cheng-jq6fc
@Cheng-jq6fc Год назад
some youtubers says TIM is a FRAUD..he lied about rescuing the boy & gave tim the necklace..idk what to BELIEVE....is this TRUE STORY or TIM a LIAR!?? i never heard of tim ballard until this film came out.... TIM IS DISGUSTING/GREEDY MONEY GRABER..he's not a HERO...!! TIM IS A FRAUD..!!
@DanOlly-ol6xk
@DanOlly-ol6xk Год назад
Tim isn't a fraud, im a survivor of sex trafficking, I had the privilege to meet Tim and he's one of the nicest people you would ever meet and so passionate about his job. Tim played a huge part in getting my recovery sorted and getting me help. Anyone who I've met who he has helped have nothing but good things to say about him. Tim has been doing this for years now the news once loved him but once he started this movie the news started saying nothing but bad things because of the things they are exposing. Because he went against their narrative they started a witch hunt on him.
@TylerShacklefordDurden
@TylerShacklefordDurden Год назад
I've seen the court records proving he made up the necklace story. Misrepresented a case he played a small roll in that wasn't about kidnapping or trafficking. Salt Lake Tribune posted a great piece yesterday morning.
@davidjohanson5911
@davidjohanson5911 Год назад
I saw a very strong believing Mormon friend of mine post a meme that showed the picture of a little girl holding a gun that said something along the lines of, children should learn to protect themselves. To this I responded that children should not be responsible for protecting themselves, especially since they are no match for any kind of adult that wants to do them harm. He agreed but figuratively shook his head and said that it was unfortunate that such a thing is necessary nowadays, especially since there is so much indoctrination. Which is absolutely insane to me that it would be an honestly held belief. So in response I asked if he could tell me who is posing such a harrowing threat to children and in what way these children were being indoctrinated. He refused to answer except with a link to a 90 minute long interview with Jordan Peterson. It astounded me.
@DMTsanto
@DMTsanto Год назад
I agree that children should not be responsible for protecting themselves, nor should they be driven to learn how to. However, it’s incredibly important to teach children how to protect themselves. It is literally impossible to keep eyes on a child every second of every day for nearly two decades. THAT is why they are such a valuable target for predators. It’s a privilege to believe it is not worth teaching children how to protect themselves to some degree. Did you try listening to the interview your friend shared? May be worth it. JP’s interviews are powerful. Don’t believe any mainstream clips taken out of context or without fully listening to his messages. If a majority is trying to silence someone, they’re generally on a truthful track in this day and age.
@tonichan89
@tonichan89 Год назад
Protect themselves... with GUNS? That's insane. Children don't understand consequences, they should NOT be given guns, wtf?
@davidjohanson5911
@davidjohanson5911 Год назад
@@DMTsanto If by protecting themselves you mean that they should learn that they can give and revoke consent and that they should be asking that from others as well then yes. And that if someone violates their personal space without their consent they should tell a known responsible adult. Then yes, children should absolutely learn to protect themselves. And that kind of protection would be much more valuable than a gun in the majority of situations where an adult poses a legitimate threat to a child as most threats come from adults that are allowed multiple interactions with a child where they violate their boundaries. It is very much possible to keep an eye on a child, parents do it every day. And in the stereotypical case referred to by the post shared it was clear that the person was not referring to anyone under 18, but to a little girl who looked no more than 5. Once a child reaches a certain age, even though they may be under 18, they are no longer culturally considered a child and this is very evident in how the language about them changes, particularly in religious fundamentalist groups of which much of this rhetoric stems. My sisters, for instance, stopped being told that they were precious and innocent daughters of god when they became teenagers right about High School and instead got yelled at for wanting to wear tank tops that exposed their belly buttons. They were still under 18 and still technically children but the narrative changed from “This precious baby girl is in danger of being abducted by a strange man in a white van” to “This rebellious teenager is in danger of tempting men into wanting to molest her”. And that is a totally different vibe which suggests to me that it’s not really about protecting children, but about protecting what someone sees as “innocent”.
@davidjohanson5911
@davidjohanson5911 Год назад
@@DMTsanto Now, the biggest reason supported by data that children are such an easy target for adults is not because no one is watching them. You are speaking to a person that was sexually assaulted by a trusted adult male in the middle of a church dance with his friends present and watching. And this is something that happens often, not just to me. And guess what? When it happened, no one talked about it. No one mentioned it. It just came and went. And luckily, for me it was a single instance so mine is a mild case. The biggest reason is that children aren’t taught properly how to report that they have been abused, molested, or otherwise touched inappropriately by an adult. Or by any other person for that matter. That’s the reason I didn’t come forward with it until over a decade later and that’s the reason why many others don’t as well. Again, the thinking that children should always be watched because a big evil predator will come out and snatch them away while you are not looking for a second is simply not very accurate. It does happen, but as the video suggests it is quite rare and the bigger threat is situations that happened to me and many others.
@davidjohanson5911
@davidjohanson5911 Год назад
@@DMTsanto I did listen to the entire interview, all 90 min and I though it was hot garbage. I can go point by point as to why I think that but I will warn you that would be a long reply so you may not have time to make it through. Furthermore the video has 5.2 million views which is hardly indicative of what you suggest that a majority is trying to silence it. It seems that Mr. Peterson is doing quite well in not being silenced nearly at all if 5.2 million people on a single website are able to listen to his video. I bet Zelph on the Shelf would love to have that many views as well.
@garikj766
@garikj766 Год назад
The details are important and relevant. The part you're missing the most towards the end of your video is that those guys (LDS pretending to be missionaries, and OUR using bait tactics) those are all classic behaviors, tactics, and trains of motion to the older LDS church culture pre 2000. Those still carrying those ways, are truly sheltered using that shelter as a 'foundation of strength' in their own projection functional fiction bubble and egocentric fantasy. They may speak normal and appear to interact parallelly with others, but when you do a reality check or an operation check, those guys are checked out and only believe in the enigmatic line of drama with however they are egotistically aligning the motion of events as a part of their own illusionary perception and domain. Getting a talk to someone in real terms usually gets those sorts of men/women to feel singled out and 'egotistically bruised'. They often don't understand their own emotions. They have their minds only operate by their old conventional ways and upbringing of how the church composed 'right' or 'spirit' and if anything is outside of their ego fantasy control they tend to lash out EXTREMELY aggressively for simply someone not taking their emotional baiting or someone exercises more thought in how they plan/ secure details. They get very hot headed and have extremely short attention spans to anything outside of their own conditioned 'right'. They are conditioned by the old church culture to perceive the agenda and shape of issues on the real world are the only perceptions to uphold and often to 'take right' by building 'their own belief of right' directly in the front with their ego. You will see ALOT of weird thinking and behaviors in that realm that I mention, one that may be more apparent to this issue, is that constituents of such a group would believe down to reality that sin and evil are actual tangible substances and quantities than do they understand choices, environments, influences, circumstances, and dynamics. To prove their own egocentric bubble is more right or truer to have more moral authority or for that matter more social presences to be recognized they WILL instigate matters on their own terms in order to win more people to the plight of their own synthesized deterministic 'right' than to actually do any good thing. Once they get a presence or a following, they believe they must climb through influence and establish more of their own 'right', then also reward themselves immensely because of the 'right' or influence following they create. OUR sounds like if anything, got passively Mormonized by the flow of ego, emotion, and 'power' to behave in the same ways and hubris as the old church influenced organizations before 2000. Those individuals get so caught up in their own 'side' of 'right', it's nearly impossible to break them out of their own 'train' of egotistical thought and realize that they are not creating any 'right'. Rather, they are asserting themselves in their own sense of prominence to be the new glory and authority of 'right'. Those sorts of power players are dangerous. They tend to be very unhinged, volatile, and they go after anyone tenaciously speaking against their behaviors in order to win them under their own influence of synthesized 'right'. Aftercare, and humanism is far from their understanding. Typically, they will assume their own self-empowerment, warmth vibe, and 'smile' to the kid is enough. That explanation is not an assumption, it's very endemic to the old power behaviors and humanitarianism of pre 2000 LDS church. People in that influence often believe 'power stance' and getting a kid out of culturally dogmatic influenced 'unsafe' spaces are 'saving a kid', but they have no real aspects to connect or to understand aftercare. That social side of them is extremely under-developed and they only drawback to however they see and divide 'right' and 'wrong' in the wedge of their either own psychosis or their own whacked out reality in their own bubble. As per you explaining the strip bars, beaches, slums, etc, those behaviors are again very endemic to the old LDS ways. Those older behaviors are more prevalent in older leaders, influencers, some Annointed, and more so in the UO members. They don't really uphold or believe in a morality to a right way of knowing things entirely. They only believe 'right' on their own plane of egocentrism, 'right' to how they manipulate the 'plight' they believe, and they assume privilege is blessed in the strength of their own centrism to give into excused hypocritical duplicitous hubris behaviors. They take their own duplicity, and then they build new heights and oversights to assume they know greater or know better by how convinced people are to buy into them and/or how empowered they redefine themselves to become. Ultimately you see a lot of nescience with understanding anything that they are doing, and then you get stuck in the whirlpool of their own rabbit hole of how they believe their world should work. Alot of whacky quackery, glory worshipping, ego baiting, and 'side' division pushing to devise a rule of will under their arrogance, ignorance, and quackery. If at all... If you explain aspects of humanity to them to implement aftercare, they'll see it as an obligation of a weaker person to give warmth to another, or they'll see it as a waste of time and resources. Their head is completely stuck in their own synthesized space, fictional space, and success scheme. It may look like narcissism, but it's not exactly that, and a lot of old programming to an older more bull-headed culture in the past. I would be VERY CONCERNED leaving a child's well-being in that influence of behaviors. If they shape a kid back to their own cultured ways, that kid can either get their own emotions and sense of purpose pretty warped or if someone in those behaviors loses their patience...well in my upbringing growing up in that sh*t, those individuals often DO NOT handle well to have any control over their own impulsive behaviors, even as something small like frustration or personal contempt.
@noahbossier1131
@noahbossier1131 11 месяцев назад
Makes sense. Thanks for the info
@acatnamedm4529
@acatnamedm4529 Год назад
Thank you. I've been trying to unravel my feelings about this.
@patsyashton7646
@patsyashton7646 Год назад
At least he gets out there and does something about it . Even if he saves one child that’s worth it . And it’s one more than me , and you two. Talk doesn’t change a thing .
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
and the children that are trafficked for the first time by him? is that not an issue?
@drawingangel2
@drawingangel2 Год назад
​@ZelphOntheShelf Yeah, you're not going to find anyone who can perfectly do their jobs well, unless you're Jesus. No one is perfect, and you'll always find something to criticize. If you guys can do a better job, I would like to see you guys try.
@Icanonlyimagn7891
@Icanonlyimagn7891 11 месяцев назад
Complete lie.
@HoratioIsHere
@HoratioIsHere 11 месяцев назад
@@ZelphOntheShelf God you talk big. If you have the eveidence to support this accusation take it to the authorities. Your level of ignorance based arrogance is astounding.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 11 месяцев назад
@@HoratioIsHere he’s already under investigation. he was fired from both OUR and Glenn Beck (as well as by Elizabeth Smart and DoTerra).
@gennietayfer7514
@gennietayfer7514 Год назад
Et Tim ballard ne va certainement pas pouvoir continuer ''d'inflitrer'' et ''se faire passer'' pour un CLIENT puisqu'il est de plus en plus connus....And Tim ballard will certainly not be able to continue to '' infiltrate '' and '' pretend '' for a CLIENT since he is more and more known...😅🤔🙄🤨
@samueljones381
@samueljones381 11 месяцев назад
I’m listening to both sides and going to do some research into it and am interested where you get your information and statistics, especially on the amount of children trafficked, that seems low (24K) if you could give me links that would be great..
@governmentandmediadivideth8889
@governmentandmediadivideth8889 11 месяцев назад
Their bs information has been exposed , these two speak nothing but lies. When proved wrong they delete comments mine and many others included. These two also support the UN who have been exposed for trafficking. Never listen to two spoilt white liberals who have never made a contribution towards our society. These two don't care about the victims. This is nothing more than clickbait.
@leadimentoobrien1221
@leadimentoobrien1221 Год назад
Where is the charity navigator analysis of operation uderground railroad i posted days ago? Am i missing something? I dont c it.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
I’m not sure? That sounds really interesting
@justinstoll4955
@justinstoll4955 Год назад
I just stumbled on this video. It is so great, well grounded in facts and researched. Awesome work.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
Thank you so much!
@ExposingLies-xc6fw
@ExposingLies-xc6fw Год назад
No it's not lol, these two have been exposed lying about Tim using unreliable sources and spreading false information. Deleting comments when exposed and proved wrong. There's even a video of it.They also support the dirty UN and according to them they are the experts, really? The same UN who have been caught and exposed for trafficking children? Research UN peacekeepers exposed for human trafficking. The same UN who want children from ages 0-5 about masturbation. These two have never talked about human trafficking and do not care about children.
@kokepasu4583
@kokepasu4583 Год назад
Sam, have you heard Labour by Paris Paloma? It really reminds me of what mormon women had to go through (and still have to go through!!)
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
YES!!!!!!!
@LawDeeDah
@LawDeeDah 11 месяцев назад
Just watched the first 10-15 minutes and I already have big questions: (1) The U.S. Department of State website estimates that there are 27.6 million people being trafficked (labor, sex, etc.) at any given time. Why are you claiming that Ballard inflated the number when you're comparing 24k DETECTED victims with his 20 million ESTIMATED victims? These numbers aren't in conflict with each other. If anything, Ballard gave a lower estimate than the U.S. Dept of State. (2) Why are you connecting the Sound of Freedom movie with the stereotype from the movie Taken...because that narrative (snagging white children) didn't play out AT ALL in Sound of Freedom. And the movie was based off actual events involving all non-white kids with some of the actual footage of the island raid in the movie. (3) I think Mormonism is a cult, so I'm not defending what they believe, but there are different sects of Mormonism and those that practice polygamy are pretty fringe and the practice has not been allowed in the main denomination since the late 1800s. Did you know that, or do you think all Mormons accept and/or practice polygamy? It might be good for you to do a motive check. Saying that you're against human trafficking but then trying to dismantle what is probably the single most impactful vehicle for bringing awareness of the problem to the public makes it seem like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. I didn't bother watching the rest after all those missteps.
@governmentandmediadivideth8889
@governmentandmediadivideth8889 11 месяцев назад
These two don't care about the victims, they use unreliable sources spreading misinformation and when challenged they delete comments I've even got a video for them doing. They have been exposed, it's like there mad at him actually doing something about it, something about these two just doesn't sit right with me.
@dab0331
@dab0331 11 месяцев назад
They're PURPOSEFULLY lying because they're pedophiles dude
@FrumiousMing8
@FrumiousMing8 10 месяцев назад
I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth but I have encountered this attitude in mormon and christian conservatism where it's like "X problem will always exist because it comes from Satan and as long as Satan exists, so will this problem." So it's like even if they can identify something as a systemic issue, there's always an argument against trying improve things. Yes we live in an imperfect world but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make it better. Raiding human trafficking hidey holes or whatever does do some good and it is important to try to help victims, but people will continue to suffer unless we allocate some resources to fixing the systemic issues.
@PARTICIP8
@PARTICIP8 Год назад
Thank you for this. I am so disappointed by how gaslighted my friends are by this movie. BTW, can we mention right off the bat that it is NOT COOL to use the name Operation Underground Railroad? It's not cool.
@Invertedworldx
@Invertedworldx Год назад
You guys should also call out Tony Robbins btw..
@Invertedworldx
@Invertedworldx Год назад
@@ZelphOntheShelf Yeah strange, yet what about Ashton Kutcher?
@suzysanders6267
@suzysanders6267 10 месяцев назад
Also, you should know a fact Wisconsin in the United States, is the number one state that has the most single women that have been taken, which is in itself different from the trafficking of drugs and children as a business.
@jerrimenard3092
@jerrimenard3092 10 месяцев назад
Well, now we know about the psychic and the Elder from Haiti. This story is about to be really huge. Perhaps we should all get out our ouija boards and put in a call to Nephi, just a little more necromancy. LOL! JK.
@simeonfalafel
@simeonfalafel Год назад
You’re Wrong About is soooo good! And Michael Hobbes’ two current podcasts are also amazing
@crawleyr4919
@crawleyr4919 11 месяцев назад
I dont believe there ARE NO THUMBS DOWN FOR THIS VIDEO??? What up, You Tube?
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 11 месяцев назад
I think RU-vid got rid of thumbs down? But your comment is noted and also boosts us in the eyes of the algorithm, I’m sorry to report!
@crawleyr4919
@crawleyr4919 11 месяцев назад
@@ZelphOntheShelf i dont mind! Happy to help spread ALL points of view!! Im not that type that wants to censor or self censor by not watching all opinions. Crazy like that.
@luxetveritas4633
@luxetveritas4633 10 месяцев назад
It´s not O.U.R´S film. It´s an Eduardo Verastegui production distributed by Angel Studios. The producer met Tim Ballard and was so inspired by his work and appalled at the reality that he made the film to bring awareness about this problem and to stop it.
@musikbuttifly882
@musikbuttifly882 10 месяцев назад
Yes and he even brought it back off Disney after Fox sold it to them.
@astrid1660
@astrid1660 10 месяцев назад
Has anyone seen that movie about human trafficking that the lead of the (Christian) band For King and Country released a few years ago? I only saw it once but I think I remember that it centered on impoverished immigrants being trafficked. I thiiink the lead woman in the story fell into being trafficked while attempting to cross the border to America?
@jessicaisraelsen8815
@jessicaisraelsen8815 Год назад
I studied this topic extensively in my Deviant Behavior Sociology class last semester, reading sociological studies, watching interviews with victims, policies, and looking at victim recovery groups. I wrote a paper on the topic, gave two presentations in class, etc. This is an old topic that continues to cause problems in our world. I feel like there needs to be better awareness about the problem and the best way to solve the problem. Thanks for covering this here!! You two are awesome!
@governmentandmediadivideth8889
These two don't give two f**** about the children first time bringing up the topic because a film which is going against the main stream narrative is opening people's eyes. These two are two fake virtue signalling 🤡🤡 if they really cared about the children they would work with organisations to fight this problem. They could even work with Tim as they are looking people to help them fight this problem but they won't because their both lairs and two puppets who can't think for themselves or lack any real critical thinking. Look at those with something negative to say they all have something in common.
@Alex-zh2jv
@Alex-zh2jv Год назад
Hey guys, I wanted to suggest something that I’ve noticed in a couple of your videos- there is a long, dark history of the word “prostitute” being used by law enforcement to dehumanize victims of violent crimes simply because of the occupation the sex workers had. As though because they are sex workers they should have seen it coming and their assault doesn’t matter because they gave up their human rights by selling sex. I know y’all have the best intentions, and unless you were really into true crime like me and know of the many stories about sex workers not being valued as they deserved, it would be hard to see the impact of using the word “prostitute” today. I just thought I would share, I love you both, keep up the good work ❤
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
we use it because it’s the word used in the sources, but you’re totally right, we need a linguistic upgrade! thanks for the reminder!
@Alex-zh2jv
@Alex-zh2jv Год назад
@@ZelphOntheShelf of course! Thank you for being willing to listen. I’ve been working on hearing constructive criticism recently and it is really difficult to enter a learning mindset rather than a defensive fearful one. Here’s to growing!
@ms.ladysanders3939
@ms.ladysanders3939 Год назад
​@ZelphOntheShelf You can just use the word "victims."
@BabyGirlRaven
@BabyGirlRaven 11 месяцев назад
@@ms.ladysanders3939 but then the word victims could mean anything prostitute me a person who sells her body for sex for money the difference is sex trafficking child is not always telling your body for money and 5/34 into it for free so you can’t call every sex trafficker a prostitute
@BabyGirlRaven
@BabyGirlRaven 11 месяцев назад
@@ms.ladysanders3939 my phone is messing up so I can’t text what I just said but the last part I hope you understand what I’m trying to say because RU-vid is bundling my words and making it into one word until I posted
@kennbeans
@kennbeans Год назад
I love your content so much, thank you for choosing to use your platform for good even if it is uncomfortable
@Monayla
@Monayla 11 месяцев назад
thank u so much, i looked for a video like this forever. the right has a thousand propaganda vids and finallly found urs
@governmentandmediadivideth8889
@governmentandmediadivideth8889 11 месяцев назад
This is propaganda and lies and they both got exposed for lying and supporting the dirty UN who have been exposed for human trafficking.
@bt8208
@bt8208 Год назад
I’m trying hard to understand why you’re both so focused on middle class angelic white children? If anything, I thought it was pretty evident a lot of the human trafficking is external and eventually ends up in the US. ?
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
A quick clarification about the beginning of this video as there have been a lot of comments about it-we talk about the oft-peddled “suburban white girl” narrative around human trafficking (which the UN has even talked about in its reports on the problem and how rhetoric can harm our efforts to enact effective solutions) to highlight that much of what we grew up hearing about trafficking is narrative rather than fact. We didn’t mean to imply that O.U.R., who usually target black and brown children from other countries, only care about white children. Not an Ideal Victim? Trafficking, Homelessness, and Risks Faced by LGBTQI+ Young People. A Global Scoping Report for the UN Special Rapporteur on Contemporary Forms of Slavery: www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/issues/slavery/sr/reporthrc54/submission-slavery-hrc54-cso-reportout_0.pdf
@governmentandmediadivideth8889
Love how yous two 🤡🤡 couldn't reply back to me and many others while caught out lying.👌
@governmentandmediadivideth8889
Deleting peoples comments when exposed lying. Two very self-centred shallow people who have ZERO critical thinking skills.
@christinaarcalas
@christinaarcalas 10 месяцев назад
Are you familiar with former UN Chief of Operations and whistle-blower Andrew Mcleod? He wrote a book about the UN's inability/refusal to crack down on the rampant pedophilia within their own ranks. The UN is one of the biggest purveyors of child trafficking in the world because they have access to all these vulnerable communities. You really have to be discerning of the organizations that provide your "credible" sources of information as they are more often than not a part of the problem. Getting people on the bandwagon of dismissing anything that brings awareness to the horrors of child trafficking because "conservatives agree so I must disagree" is so sinister. The evil is everywhere in every facet of society. Those in high places who are r*ping children right now love the work you're doing to divert the people's attention away from them to instead hate the ones raising awareness. Keep it up 👍🏻
@heatherlake9651
@heatherlake9651 10 месяцев назад
She lost me right when she blamed a political group “what the right wing tells us…”
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 10 месяцев назад
Right-wing groups have co-opted human trafficking as an issue in a way left-wing groups haven’t, at least not yet. Of course proponents of said right-wing ideologies would say that’s a good thing, but I have concerns. (Aka the things experts have been saying.)
@widescreennavel
@widescreennavel 10 месяцев назад
Wishy washy here boys. I keep expecting you guys to take a stand.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 10 месяцев назад
huh?
@eleanorcoughlan5543
@eleanorcoughlan5543 Год назад
Don't agree as most won't thank God.
@gamergirl24
@gamergirl24 Год назад
My mom never knew that Joseph Smith married underage girls until I told her about Helen Mar Kimball after my deconversion. She was stunned but proceeded to make excuses why it was ok for him to do it.
@ZLaw21
@ZLaw21 Год назад
I’m no Mormon, but how we define minor is a legal standard-the age of minority-was not out of the ordinary. Joseph smith would think..umm under what age? Because it wasn’t legally delineated like it is now
@ZLaw21
@ZLaw21 Год назад
If you think Joseph smith was bad..read about the prophet Mohamed. I believe his first wife was like … 7 years old?
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
Both are bad. And people in Joseph’s time hated him for marrying kids.
@ZLaw21
@ZLaw21 Год назад
@@ZelphOntheShelfyou’re going to apply 7th century societal norms with 19th century norms??? That makes no sense
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
@@ZLaw21 we’re applying 1800s standards to the 1800s. census data from the time clearly indicate it was NOT normal for older men to marry young teenage girls. furthermore, his extra marital relationships were illegal and unethical. that’s literally why they killed him (after he burned down a printing press that was telling the truth about his polygamous affairs)
@michellecardenas6072
@michellecardenas6072 11 месяцев назад
Why would u look into the back story other to disregard it? Do u do this to ALL MOVIES?? Just found your channel so not sure what your point is and who u r helping by doing such an injustice research of which is only YOUR Perspective. And yes its your perrogative but why??
@stvemq
@stvemq Год назад
Please link to these posts about o.u.r organization.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
Here’s the article by Meg Conley, which RU-vid didn’t let us put in the description box: slate.com/human-interest/2021/05/sex-trafficking-raid-operation-underground-railroad.html
@RB-zf6he
@RB-zf6he Год назад
Ah what does polygamy have to do with Tim Ballard. He is NOT a polygamist
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
The religion he’s a part of was built on human trafficking. :/
@jasminemarin742
@jasminemarin742 Год назад
It’s so funny because my friend went to go see this movie and I had no idea what it was. I looked up the trailer and saw all the rim Ballard mentions. I then find out that he’s the one who owns Underground Railroad, the one charity pushed in front of thousands every year at Funnel hacking live. Which is imo the largest digital marketing conferences. This isn’t a charity, this is a to catch a predator in action paid experience, disguised as a charity.
@whym6438
@whym6438 Год назад
As a Jewish guy, Glenn Beck's Holocaust comparisons are laughable. I'm pretty careful about comparing things to the Holocaust, and I tend to use more generic terms like "fascist" or "genocidal" to describe things like Ron DeSantis' rhetoric about LGBT people or the Russian media's opinions on Ukraine. Which is not to say I never make the comparison - I just understand the weight that it holds.
@honeyduchess
@honeyduchess 11 месяцев назад
I have a genuine question for you as a non partisan- I am very familiar w de Santis position on LGBT, but what exactly about it would you describe as genocidal? That is quite a term. Genocide by definition means killing so I’m curious about your rationale there
@BigAngelEyes
@BigAngelEyes 11 месяцев назад
Las Vegas would like a word!!
@Badassmotherhugger
@Badassmotherhugger Год назад
I love how Sam is golden on the sociology part, Tanner whoops ass at history, and then you are both fire at philosophy. Please start a cult?! Please! I'll say I love Saintan... that's what I made of a mix of a saint and Satan
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
THATS SO NICE 🩵🩵🩵
@bl3343
@bl3343 Год назад
Thank you for clarifying what a Saintan is. I imagined a Saint Bernard with a tan.😉
@governmentandmediadivideth8889
Both full of bs and couldn't back up anything they said about Tim or sound of freedom. Spreading false information and their bs has already been debunked by many. They deleted comments when proved wrong and ignore comments when challenged. These two haven't contributed to anything on fighting against human trafficking. Spreading false information for people like to to fall for and support them by giving them money. 🤔 They could easily join an organisation in fighting against this heck they could even work for one of Tim's organisations and document everything but guess what? They won't because they don't give two f**** about the victims. Why they only talked about Tim now when it's been well known he's been doing this for years? Many news interviews , podcast interviews, documentaries the list goes on but only now when the movie is realeased they some how all of a sudden they seem interested? Most of the video was about them talking about mormons who I also can't stand but used this topic for clickbait just to gain more views which they probably succeeded in doing show but the dangerous lies and misinformation about Tim will not go unchallenged.
@donmezzanatto8607
@donmezzanatto8607 Год назад
weirdo alert
@mistersmith8962
@mistersmith8962 Год назад
Actual people currently imprisoned by sexual enslavement traffickers and criminals probably shouldn't have to wait for political policy changes and economic conditions to improve for a chance to be rescued.
@RealFactsForYou24
@RealFactsForYou24 Год назад
Thank you @mistersmith8962 this shouldn’t be an issue for anyone it’s not about black white gay children adults whatever it’s about human trafficking notice the human word? Not white girl trafficking. Doesn’t matter who the person is and people shouldn’t want to ban the movie. If it raises awareness at all it is a good thing.
@JS-lm3lq
@JS-lm3lq 11 месяцев назад
ty❤zelph
@deeperthings
@deeperthings Год назад
Say what you will about Glen Beck, I like him so very much more than Tim Ballard. 1) He may always think the sky is falling, but at least he can have a sense of humor about it. He can be very funny indeed. All Tim manages is false sincerity and earnestness. Yeck. 2) Glen actually believes in his causes. He drank the Jim Birch Kool-aid. He may make money doing what he does, but he poured all of his own money into being able to do it the way he felt it needed to be done. And moved states away in part to be able to afford living on less. So, it really isn't a money grab for him. Tim, on the other hand, is all about the money. If he thought he could make payday by taking guided tours to the resting place of the Titanic, he would. It would be better for the children if he did! Because it is all about the money, not the results. 3) Right after Tim stepped down for as yet unspecified reasons from OUR, Glen fired him from his own Nazerene Project. Again, I get integrity from Glen, and smarmy used-car salesman from Tim. So, say what you will about him, I don't have to agree with him to, nonetheless, at least respect his integrity. I got nothing good to say about Tim.
@tdsollog
@tdsollog 11 месяцев назад
Thank you for doing this topic. People don’t understand why I have issues with this movie and OUR. A thousand thank yous for all you do.
@governmentandmediadivideth8889
@governmentandmediadivideth8889 11 месяцев назад
Yeah someone like you would
@nikkionyemma5990
@nikkionyemma5990 10 месяцев назад
I remember watching Taken when it first came out, and thought that was typical for how ppl. were sold into HT it wasn’t until I got older and realized the socio-economic factors that make vulnerable youth primed to become trafficked.
@Moneymonkeypq
@Moneymonkeypq 4 месяца назад
Kkk
@stevewalker3841
@stevewalker3841 11 месяцев назад
Just FYI - I didn't buy the conspiracy that theaters were sabotaging. But ... I went to see the movie at CMX and a few minutes in it stopped. Lights went up for about two minutes. Then went off and only sound was available for a couple of minutes. The problem was they were speaking Spanish at that point and we had no subtitles. We missed several minutes of footage and story setup. People were getting noisy and irritated, then film and sound came together. Perfect for the rest of the movie. We had to work to catch up and figure out what we had missed. So what was that? I've never had that in all my years of movie-going
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 11 месяцев назад
This is probably unrelated but we heard OUR is quietly rolling back Sound of Freedom stuff since Tim Ballard was fired for sexual misconduct allegations. I don’t think it makes sense that OUR or movie theaters themselves would sabotage screenings given that it would cost THEM money, so it’s bizarre that a number of people have stories like this! Does it happen more often than we realize with movies in general or do you think it’s specific to this one?!
@governmentandmediadivideth8889
@governmentandmediadivideth8889 11 месяцев назад
​@@ZelphOntheShelfstill talking bs
@governmentandmediadivideth8889
@governmentandmediadivideth8889 11 месяцев назад
Do not listen to these two clowns they have been exposed for lying and deleting comments when exposed which I have evidence of. Tim created OUR so how could he be fired? These two go of on unreliable sources. Ask yourself why these two are only speaking about it now and not before the release of the movie. All these fake woke clowns trying to discredit Tim even though he's been doing this for 20 years.
@timnewman1172
@timnewman1172 Год назад
@44:25 THIS!!!
@peaked_aussie
@peaked_aussie Год назад
Absolutely nothing you have said invalidates the film, Sound of Freedom. It is based on a true story which was Tim Ballard's first ever rescue of children (which incidentally were not middle-class or white - did you watch the film?). Prior to that, he had been solely focussed on arresting consumers of the material. You are taking the side of the perpetrators if you want a porous border because it does mean more trafficking.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
the sound of freedom is invalidated by actual court documents. you saw a movie and thought it was real life. www.sltrib.com/opinion/2023/07/25/robert-gehrke-tim-ballards-story/
@stephelizabeth
@stephelizabeth 11 месяцев назад
@@ZelphOntheShelf The site says you have to pay to access it. Do you have access to the court documents yourselves?
@yucol5661
@yucol5661 11 месяцев назад
You mean the lies and embellished story? The man can still do some good (rescuing children) while done evil (lying for fame and glory, taking risky steps an risky methods that out the children in danger for the sake of his heroism) Why can’t you understand things can be both good and evil at different times. Or would you say the police are always good? Or that Judas was always evil?
@peaked_aussie
@peaked_aussie 11 месяцев назад
@@ZelphOntheShelf Nah I haven't seen the film, I'm not American. But I have a brain and I can tell when someone is attacking a straw man. Nice try though.
@CMLXMNDXv
@CMLXMNDXv 11 месяцев назад
Omg see how dumb she is showing us a link to an article written by media company part of the problem.
@CritThinkng
@CritThinkng Год назад
Thank you, Sam, forever and ever, for turning me on to You're Wrong About podcast back whenever you mentioned them months ago. They (and you guys, OF COURSE) are AMAZING 👏 ❤
@governmentandmediadivideth8889
Imagine saying thank you to two people who are using a sensitive issue for clicks and spreading false information about a man who saves children and adults from human trafficking/sex trafficking. These two have been exposed for lying and deleting comments when challenged and proved on.
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
Ahhh yay!!!
@noahbossier1131
@noahbossier1131 11 месяцев назад
Thanks for the suggestion
@patriciafinn5717
@patriciafinn5717 11 месяцев назад
Well done guys..
@vv8134
@vv8134 11 месяцев назад
23 mins in and still no point . Does the movie promote Mormonism ? If not then what’s the point of going on about it . Does it change the story or truth of the story ?
@sdfotodude
@sdfotodude Год назад
He's the Paul H. Dunn of "Jump Teams"
@stephenjennings3844
@stephenjennings3844 Год назад
It's so good to hear you calling this operation out. I confess I don't understand the complexity of this so called rescue operation of kidnapped or abused kids and it's heartening to see how seriously you discuss this situation to put it mildly. I fully understand as Samantha states, that those who lead legitimate charitable organisations ought to receive appropriate remuneration. However, I frequently baulk at the salaries the CEO's receive in comparison to those who do the leg work. From what I can gather, Ballard appears to have jumped onto a gravy train and so far, has done very well out of it and the political right in the US have bought into it. I despair when I hear talk of child kidnappings so that democrats and the "libs" can prolong their own lives by torturing children and drinking their blood to obtain adrenochrome. This is apparently obtained from the children's fear when they are being tortured so that the supposed torturers can achieve longevity. Somehow millions of people in the US believe this and thousands of people in the UK and in Europe , do too to my dismay. Of course, it's so incredulous and ridiculous. Sad to say that there's a significant number of LDS members who also believe this narrative. Will Nelson, the first presidency, council of the twelve and the seventies rebuke this nonsense? Not on your Nelly,.
@drawingangel2
@drawingangel2 Год назад
You guys (and me) aren't safe from becoming corrupted or lost either... because we're selfish humans and we can slip at any time. I mean lets be real. No one in this planet is 100% righteous, patient, just, honest, and loving 24/7. We can do the best we can, but still can't reach moral perfection. That's just a reality. None of us can truly be "authentic." I mean if we're all morally perfect, then we wouldn't have any problems like trust issues, mental illness, human trafficking, etc. All I see is Tim Ballard doing the best he humanly can as an imperfect being with what skills he is given. And if you looked hard enough, you can see it by all his efforts and sacrifice. He might end up slipping because it does take an emotional, mental, and physical toll to do this work for 15 + yrs. Its not easy what he does. I just pray God gives him the strength to keep working on his character as well. And if he needs to be humbled, then I pray for God to humble him so that he becomes a better person. The better person he is, the more succesful he'll be in saving those kids. Criticizing is fine only if it's constructive and out of love and care... I think it would be beneficial if you guys messaged and gave solutions to his organization to better help those children, since they have the resources. And hope that Tim will grow and do well to take care himself, so he can save more kids.
@governmentandmediadivideth8889
@governmentandmediadivideth8889 11 месяцев назад
These two don't care about victims of human trafficking, they support the dirty UN who have been exposed for human trafficking. These two have been exposed lying and deleting comments when exposed/proved wrong.
@Paula-iq7rm
@Paula-iq7rm Год назад
Im sorry i dont believe that the whole situation with the parents being arrested and the kids being left alone was Anything but nefarious ly done deliberately and yes i will say it who is to say these people arent actually working with child traffickers ❤❤
@Niyapapaya8
@Niyapapaya8 Год назад
So glad you did a video on this! Patiently waiting for part 2 as well!
@MKConnecticut
@MKConnecticut 10 месяцев назад
Utah has the most MLM too, doesn’t it?
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf 10 месяцев назад
Yep!
@somewhere4132
@somewhere4132 Год назад
thank you so much for making this video!
@michellecardenas6072
@michellecardenas6072 11 месяцев назад
Do u put on blast ALL movies and worry about what ppl make and what happens after it?? Just wondering!
@roxierickey
@roxierickey Год назад
Perhaps you should check out Tim Ballard's testimony before the US Congress. Is that "rigged" and "faked"?
@gemini_man66
@gemini_man66 11 месяцев назад
Maybe it was and maybe it wasn't. The fact remains that we do not know for certain.
@roxierickey
@roxierickey 11 месяцев назад
@@gemini_man66 well, the operation actually included MULTIPLE stings and culminated in his testimony with other agents in Columbia against Gisele and the other traffickers - they were convicted. To say this was "rigged" is about like saying no on has proven the earth is round. The evidence is overwhelming but some people choose not to see truth.
@governmentandmediadivideth8889
@governmentandmediadivideth8889 11 месяцев назад
​@@roxierickey👌 exactly, these losers try to use anything to discredit someone. They seem more concerned about his religious faith and his political stance which should be no one's business as he's intitled to believe what he wants. I'm atheist and his religious views don't bother me in the slightest. These left wing fake woke clowns care more about that than the actual trafficking which is bizarre to me. There seems to be an agenda with alot of these people hating on Tim. I could imagine loads of paedohiles glorifying these two because of their bs propaganda. Two sad spoilt white liberal clowns, these two have never made any significant contribution to society whatsoever instead they whine and whine on RU-vid.
@michellemichelle5202
@michellemichelle5202 11 месяцев назад
Yeah I don’t know what this man and women are trying to prove but I learned nothing from this stupid video.
@katherinefinnigan5096
@katherinefinnigan5096 Год назад
So what would you say if Tim Ballard,Jim Caviezal Tony Robbins,President Trump, Angel Studios walked on stage infront of you right now
@ZelphOntheShelf
@ZelphOntheShelf Год назад
😂 Not my dream dinner party lineup personally but it would probably be an interesting experience!
@mdb1239
@mdb1239 11 месяцев назад
So what did you think of the film? -- I have not seen it yet.
@ellenmoffatt2537
@ellenmoffatt2537 Год назад
Going for the jugular in the most contextualized, sourced way possible…. Loving it so far
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