that's because we are the ones who defended it for 2000 years lol. and the apostles established our church and that we are the true church which the spirit is guiding.
During the lockdown in Covid 19, Jesus came in my dream and explained what the holy spirit is. His explanation was in line with the belief of Orthodoxy. I was born in a muslim family in Bangladesh, where most people are devout muslims. I used to believe that Islam is the one true religion until I started reading Quran tafsirs in the lockdown. After going through the Islamic scripture, I was devastated. Then I sought refugee in Christianity, but the trinity concept seemed confusing to me as I was raised with the Tawhid concept. Then that dream happened. At that time I was clueless about holy spirit. Later I watched a lot of videos about christianity and trinity. But I never found this energy term. Later I started believing it was just a dream. But this video made me rethink about the dream! Probably Jesus came to me intentionally as I was seeking the truth back then!
Roman Catholicism is definitely the dominant theology in Christianity, regardless of if you agree with it. St. Thomas Aquinas is the face of Christian theology, and his writings have shaped lots of arguments for the existence of God, explanations of how grace is provided, and more.
Explain why the Catholic Church (the Western Catholic Church is what I mean. I still consider y’all Catholic and I still consider us Orthodox as well) has the MOST MIRACLES PARTICULARLY EUCHARISTIC MIRACLES. John 6:54. And yes I am aware of the icon miracle in Russia I believe it is from God I believe He doesn’t see Organizationality here and sees us as One Spiritual Body John 6:54
I’m not officially an Orthodox Christian, but this is the revelation the Holy Spirit gave me on the nature of God as well 🧐Actually, much of what I’ve witnessed from orthodoxy so far has only echoed what I’ve found first hand by reading scripture and seeking God daily. It’s really hard to relate to any of the religious variants under the Protestant blanket now. My life has changed drastically since adopting a more Orthodox mindset. Your channel has helped and encouraged greatly in this new season of my life. God bless you Trey 🙏
Beautiful visuals and icons in this video. Helpful lesson on the essence-energies distinction; also nice to see the icons together with hearing their names; helps me learn them
@@taylorrowe2002 not really they are more documented. The Orthies keep all the miracles secret. They avoid documenting as according to tradition each revelation is Grace not to be discussed. Then why in the Western Church more exorcism than in the East?
That is an interesting opinion of Gregory. I see it that I am not in God, but God is within me. I do not know every facet of him, but he knows me. He gives me his spirit, through which I get glimpses of new aspects of his being.
Essence-energy is a human way of trying to understand how we can know God. It is very useful but is only a theological model. The answer is really that we don't know and we are looking rhrough a glass darkly.
So when we feel the presence of God in prayer, is this the Holy Spirit in essence or rather the energies of God? I assume from this point of view it would be the energies of God, in which case do the energies come from a specific member of the trinity or the trinity as a whole? Because I have always believed that we feel the Holy Spirit while praying, and thus if it is the energy and not the essence I feel, would it be an energy from the Holy Spirit or from the Trinity as a whole? If someone could explain this it would be rlly helpful.
nice. a lot of what you mentioned is what i've also gathered from reading Scripture, but there are a few differences. one example is that it seems since the Son is begotten of the Father and the Spirit proceeds from the Father, they are seen as lesser than the Father in some way. however, because the Son and the Spirit are of the Father, they are co-equal with the Father. the Son is also the Word. we cannot say God's Word is less than God. to us, He and His Word are one.
Perhaps your impression of lesserness stems only from temporality, which is not part of God. At no point was God the Father in existence "before" the Son or the Holy Spirit, so no temporal hierarchy of greater and lesser is in play. These are just words we use in our own framework of reference to allude to God beyond it.
Could you address the criticism of the Essence-Energies Distinction coming from Thomist Scholastic Theologians, who claim it is an unacceptable division of the Trinity?
@@user-pj7sq7ce1f First of all, could you kindly cite scriptural passages that support your claim? Second, Palamas proposed that the essence of God is distinct from the energies or operations of God and that the latter were multiple, even infinite. This sounds like a multiplicity of parts or things within or around God. In fact, some theologians have accused the language of “divine energies” (in the plural) as teetering into polytheism, although no Greek Orthodox would grant this. Further, Saint Basil uses operation or energy in the singular, and not the plural. It is the unity of divine energy that proves the unity of the divine essence/nature (ousia). If one were going to argue for a plurality of energies, then this would end with an argument for a plurality of natures/essences…which is heretical and polytheistic. But Saint Basil argues from the one operation (energeia) to the oneness of the divine essence (ousia). (See ST Basil, Letters, NPNF 8, 189.7). If we were to grant the Palamite teaching that the operation of God is pluriform, then Saint Basil’s argument would lead to a conclusion that the divine ousia is pluriform.
The Scriptures DO NOT SAY that God reveals Himself through energies. What does the Bible say? God is revealed to us through Jesus, His Son. John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared ." and Hebrews 1:2-3 "His Son...Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express (exact) image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power".
@@Theoretically-ko6lr I only protest against heresy and evil, not against Christian religious institutions. The Bible is written in black on white like a railing, that if hung onto, will lead you where you want to be in the end. All teachers, including those who contributed to your knowledge, are imperfect. Romans 3:4 says "...Let God be true, even though everyone is a liar, as it is written: That you may be justified in your words and triumph when you judge".
Essentially that is what The Word is. Jesus is in all, through all and is all so that He might be pre-eminent. That is why Jesus is able to make the unknowable God knowable to some degree. If we have seen Him we have seen The Father etc.
"Word" was translated from the ancient Greek word Logos. Which to understand I would urge you to look up it's meaning. Personally I would use the word "plan" instead of word. John 1:1 will really be confusing if you are trying to understand or prove the trinity.
@@andrewbrown9497 Logos is the creative force of the universe and does not mean “plan” as you want to believe. We know it means word as in word because John 1 is echoing Genesis 1 which is talking about God creating the universe by His word when he spoke things into existence “Let there be light”. So the context in John 1 is speaking of this word of God. No need to confuse something that’s already clear.
@@YeshuaSaves3 is creative force the meaning of Logos? Can you give reference to where you get this. Being that word, thought, reason, logic, wisdom, plan, are all possible words that could be used without changing John 1:1 in the smallest way. Giving a meaning to a word that doesn't have the same meaning changes the meaning of the verse. I urge you to look up the meaning of Logos, and search the scriptures to see what is true.
@@andrewbrown9497 Lo·gos /ˈlōˌɡōs/ the Word of God, or principle of divine reason and creative order, identified in the Gospel of John with the second person of the Trinity incarnate in Jesus Christ.
@@YeshuaSaves3 You are only giving a trinity definition of what Logos became. Not the writers ancient Greek definition. If you look up the meaning to "Word" obviously it is referring to Jesus. If you really want to know your going to have to look up the Greek meaning. Word was the word the translaters used. Thought wisdom, logic, wisdom, reason and plan. can also be used in place of Logos instead of word. Isaiah 43:11 tells us I even I am the LORD and beside me there is no saviour. The question is if Logos means person in the beginning. This will need to be shown as true. We do know God had a plan for our salvation in the beginning. Was the lamb of God slain before the foundation of the world? Was that the plan in the beginning. If Logos was a person then that would have to be shown that he was a person with God that was God but not another God. Find out the truth.
I'm a bit confused on this topic and i need some clarification. As Orthodox we say that the purpose in our life is the acquisition of the Holy Spirit. Firstly is the acquisition of Holy Spirit identical with Theosis? And secondly, when we referre to the Grace of God as a divine energy of God towards us men, how is that differentiates from the acquisition of the Holy Spirit? Is it a "lower state"? For example we say that an elder has the Grace of God in Him. By stating that i logically suppose that he cannot be spirit-filled because the Holy Spirit is not a divine energy of God but one of the Persons of the Holy Trinity.
@@volstrekt God operates in the creation those energies operations are he himself those energies as being him are uncreated as they are actually God himself operating .
Why does it say love, joy, forgiveness, judgement, life, goodness, hope, beauty, light, grace and wisdom and uncrerated energies in the diagram depicting The Holy Trinity. Do these qualities make up the Uncreated Energies?
@@user-pj7sq7ce1f thanks for your reply. No way, so they know what characteristics the energies of God are? Is there any writings by the church fathers on this or scripture? I don't remember reading about a comprehensive list of energies
@@geoneo777 first of all Paul writes about the ενεργηματα energies of God 1 cor .12:6 he actually writes Θεός ο ενεργών God the operating see the greek word it is the verb for energies when operated
Spirit and Word (thought/mind) make up the essence of the eternal life. All of the aforementioned transcend Mass Energy and Space Time. The Eternal Spirit and Word was first revealed to Adam as Elohiym then revealed to Abraham Isaac and Jacob as El Shaddai That same essence was revealed to Israel as YaH! Then revealed to the world in the son Yahusha and is now revealed in every believer for we are now the temple for that same Eternal Holy Spirit and Word. This is the power YaHusha said He would be seated on the right side of when He comes in clouds of glory! If you have problems understanding just remember that One Spirit can occupy as many spaces anywhere along our timeline as He sees fit. It's called Omni presence!
God has one will. the Persons are distinct “entities” that have relations with the other Persons. for example, the Father begets the Son, the Son baptizes with the Spirit, and the Spirit proceeds from the Father.
@@slumptrid So it doesn’t count when Jesus says not my will but yours be done? 🤔 That’s two different wills. The Spirit glorifies the Son. That is a will. One thing that defines a person is his will. Another are his characteristics and roles. That is displayed in the Trinity. Not energies, but persons with their own will, characteristics, and roles. Also, the Catholics got Filioque right. John 15:26 (NLT) “But I will send you the Advocate--the Spirit of truth. He will come to you from the Father and will testify all about me.
I wish we Christian’s would focus more on Jewish teachings. Because what your describing is basically Shekihnah or Divine presence; burning bush, fire from the sky, Memra (Word of the LORD).
@@user-pj7sq7ce1fWait, if they are part of god but only exist in relation to gods actions, does this mean that god did not have these essences before he created anything? Does this not violate the immutability of god? Btw dont be pissed, im actually asking because I dont want to take non-orthodox opinions on what orthodoxy teaches, but I have heared this criticism
@@awuriefnejqwjmnwn4960 first God has no parts .the energies of God are essential they are him actually when he operates ,allways they are unceated.Paul writes about the energies of God in his epistles .This theology is lost in the western christianity
Im orthodox and would like to read and undestand more about the philosophies of this. im kinda embarrassed to admit but i didnt know we believe the bread and wine no longer is bread and wine and becomes Christ’s body and blood. So i want to read more.
God’s essence was in the Incarnated Word of God, Jesus, Second Person of the Trinity. But, everyone only knew it through His human operations that were accompanied alongside by divine operation. He walked like a human, but walked on water like God. His essence was cloaked in His humanity. Anytime that Jesus began to lift the veil, like at Mt. Tabor, the three Apostles had to hide their faces and fell to their knees in fear, because the glory and power was too great. So in short, the essence was present in the life of Jesus, but He cloaked it, He had to. If He didn’t, no one would be able to stand, or even live, if the power was fully realized.
@@theosteven3362 That’s not what I was saying. I reiterate, that although Gods essence was present on earth during Jesus’s earthly time, it was not experienced directly by any human being. They couldn’t even stand upright when Jesus revealed more of the Divine Energy at Mt. Tabor; let alone what a revelation of the essence would’ve done. The Apostles and Disciples only knew Jesus through his actions, they didn’t have access to His Essence. People only know other people through said actions, they don’t have access to that inner life and dialogue of a human being.
@@LightOfAllMankind seems like contradicting the teaching of st. basil himself: “We perceive the operation of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to be ONE and the SAME, in no respect showing differences or variation; from this identity of operation we necessarily infer the unity of nature.”
@@theosteven3362 to infer: “deduce or conclude (information) from evidence and reasoning”. Operations of God here, meaning the Energies. We conclude from our partaking in the Divine Energy what the Essence could be like; Analogia. The Energies are One in that they are infinite and shared, the Will of God within the Trinity is One, in that everything that God does, comes from the Father, through the Son, and in the Spirit. The inferences that the Apostles deduced about Jesus Christ being God would then apply to Father and Holy Spirit.
Energies sounds similar to operations… and also, God working through creation and providence. Anyone who is Eastern Orthodox care to give a clarification?
This is why theologies are a distraction from what is true and knowable... Jesus is one with the father... He has made him known. Jesus said, If you have seen me, you have seen the father. God is not "energies" -God is his very word. In the beginning was the Word, And the Word was with God, And the Word WAS God. The name of Jesus is THE WORD OF GOD. Stay grounded in what Jesus speaks to you in the gospels Furthermore, the apostles tell us exactly who God is; God is Love, and he is light, and in him there is no darkness. Corinthians 13 speaks of what the essence of love is... this is the character and nature of God.
@@user-pj7sq7ce1f phrase means their is no salvation outside of the church. Meaning historically, one cannot be reconciled to God apart from the orthodox church
@@user-pj7sq7ce1f The “operation” of God is meant to be understood insofar as the “divine will” of God produces certain effects. The divine will is the only uncreated attribute or existence in this scenario, and the attributes of God are not distinct from His essence, because God is not comprised of different parts, but is one simple existence, as per logical and theological requirement.
One energy or essence contained within the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Hence the oneness of God due to one divine energy but 3 persons in the Holy Trinity with one divine essence or energy.
Hmm, I think "Biblical Unitarians" say and think the same but use different words. So we would consider God the Father the essence, the being, the unknowable amd unfathomable in some sense. While the Holy Spirit would be his extension of himself, his "operational power and presence", his "energies", visibly and tangibly manifest on earth and umistakable. Not a seperate person, but personal and not some mere force. Jesus would be a human who imaged God properly and faithfully, empowered by the "energies", and one through whome the energies manifested powerfully. A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet....
@senorsiro3748 I'm not denying that is what the Orthodox church teaches. I was simply stating how similar the views of "Biblical Unitarians" and Orthodox were regarding these matters. "Biblical Unitarians" are under the impression that the New Testament, when read plainly, without the interpretation of the Orthodox or Catholic Church, teaches that the Father, the one named Yhwh (I AM) alone is the true God. One single person, never created and all powerful. That the Holy Spirit doesn't seem to be a person or a seperate person, but a way to talk about God's presence and power when it is visible or active on the earth. And that Jesus seems to be a man like us, whose life started in the womb, like us. However his life started not by a man or a man's seed but by the influence, will, and power of God, aka the Holy spirit overshadowing Mary and creating the life starting in her directly, making God Jesus Father. Jesus was empowered by God, given the spirit, and when he ascended was given the authority to extend the spirit to his followers as Acts 2 says, so the spirit is God in action, but in the Christian life also Jesus in extended power and presence at times too. Though ultimately God is the true source of it.
This might come across as bigotry, but I was really annoyed by the philosophy of my home country. Their life philosophy is Jesus died for our sins so let's indulge ourselves with whatever luxury we have until the earth run out recourses being a Buddhist a very naturalist religion I was really annoyed. But I am impressed by Orthodox Christianity. their philosophy is more like Jesus died for or sins to honor him I must carry the cross across my back for my entire life. By observing the Russian history we can also see how this attitude had translated into Russian version of imperialism. When Russians expanded to east they did not completely destroy the existing human and animal populations like the western Europeans did. Correct me If I am wrong.
@@hanskung3278 the knowledge of the uncreated in orthodoxy come first of all from the experience of Theosis. God reveals himself in his divine majestic uncreated glory to those that worth it. That revelation is a union by grace and glory with God. That experience give's the knowledge of God.
@@ionictheist349 again I will reply and if it is removed then we both know why! Lol which Orthodox Church so many division like the protestant. Jesus found One Holy Catholic (universal) Church not so weird sect
You used the word "energies" a lot without properly defining what it means in this context. What is the definition of "energies" these me were talking about?
So y’all really gonna listen to a bunch of men who weren’t in any way shape or form around the time of Jesus? Y’all would rather listen to these random people who rewrote your entire faith from the original Jewish Nazarene faith to the Pauline doctrine? How do you not know about the jailing of Ignatius and how he was one of the first to say Jesus was god? This all happened 100 years after Jesus was saved by god from the high priests. So how you gonna believe in an idea that wasn’t even around in the original Jewish religion 100 years after the next revelation was revealed? You just throw away all logic and historical data?
But why not then follow God directly through His Word…why use icons or Saints in order to achieve some idea of salvation? For example, if you sin, why not ask God DIRECTLY for forgiveness? On what basis do you believe that He won’t grant it? How would venerating an icon you achieve that, where asking directly would not? And why not follow the directives of God, as He stated them? For example, He forbids the consumption of pork! He is clear about this! Why would He suddenly change His mind about that?
Hey dummy, who compiled Scripture? Did the first Bible just fall from the sky complete and ready to read? The canon, like many things, are established by Apostolic Tradition as St. Paul laid out in 2 Thess 2:15. Go ahead and read that verse. It clearly says hold firm to traditions handed down by SPOKEN WORD and written letter. Does a Bible have spoken word? No, but an apostolic church does which is why you need both.
Said a random guy on youtube based on his false interpretations..xd!! Thank you but i will stick to the fathers and saints who reached theosis to explain and interpret this to us..this channel is a 💎!!!
@@ramezaziz2336 you faith is what ? if you say catholic you have to explain how you participate in a eucharist see it as the true eucharist but it has in it Palamas as a saint
Not really, unless you assert (like Neo-Palamists regrettably do) that the distinction is a real distinction in God Himself, and not one in human understanding meant to aid the knowledge of manifestation and non-manifestation.
God reveals himself through the book(the Holy Bible) John 1:1 stop making this more complicated then what it is (2 Corinthians 11:2) the Catholics and the orthodox church are both false doctrines. (1 Timothy 2:5) if any church has any idols, images, or anything that transgress the commandments (John 14:15) they are not of Christ and stay away from them. Please protect your salvation and do not be received. The kingdom is at hand.
I was once in the orthodox religion, until I read the KJV. Catholic and orthodox churches are all based on works religious practices. Jesus called out the religious people and rebuked them. Ill give up Jesus for a fake jesus in those cults
No my friend, dont be deceived by Ephesians 2:8-9 These verses are usually quoted by protestants objecting to the christian teaching of any works being required, but they are misread. Ephesians clearly talks about "works of the law" which are deemed unnecessary for christians because this term is specifically about the mosaic law. This is a response to the heresy which the apostles rebuked. This heeesy claimed that only a good jew could be a good christian, which is wrong. However we are called to follow the commandments of christ and have faith. James 2:24 says that "faith without works is dead", because our faith is only faith if it is manifest in our deeds. Please read the full chapter of james 2, its abundantly clear on this topic. God bless
@@awuriefnejqwjmnwn4960Ephesians 2:8-9 doesn’t say “works of the law” but merely “.works”. In Romans chapters 1-5 Paul makes the case that a person in justified (made righteous before God) through faith. If we try to add works we negate grace (Romans 11:6). When Kames uses the word “justified “ in 2:24, we can tell by the context that he is using it as in “to vindicate “. In verse 14, it reads “What use is it, my brethren, if someone SAYS he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? “ The point of this passage is someone claiming to have faith, but they are making an empty claim. Their works demonstrate the veracity of their faith. So James here is contrasting true and saving faith, which is vindicated by works and empty or false faith where works are absent. A person is still saved through faith but that person will produce works as a result of salvation. Hope that clears this up. God bless!
You dont belive jesus, you dont eat the meal with him. You was with Jesus, but you dont saw him ! He is in flesh and blood and you didn't saw him ! The satan has overpowered you
@Martin-ug2pq I used to be Orthodox. Did you read what I posted Jesus said about religion or religious people. Repent to the real Jesus, not a religious one. Matthew 24:4-5 KJV - And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
John 16:13-14 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you.
If it is an ontological distinction, God becomes a composite of attributes. This runs counter to the teaching of Athanasius: "For God, who compounded all things to give them being, is not compound, nor of similar nature to the things made by Him through the Word. Far be the thought. For He is simple essence, in which quality is not, nor, as James says, ‘any variableness or shadow of turning.’ "(Letter to the Bishops of Africa) John Chrystotom: Paul did not say “imperfect” (Paul's knowledge of God) because he knows one part of God’s essence and does not know another part-for God is simple and has no parts." (Homily I) I do not think you mean what I understood you as saying. Without clarification, you are hanging onto a potential heresy.
@REX How about you carry your cross in Jesus name instead of hanging my father's up there just because they refused your Legacy Media narrative and they truly Rose to think for themselves
@@hanskung3278 in orthodoxy there is an ontological distinction between God as being uncreated Άκτιστος with what is being created κτιστό that is the world ,so no pantheism. Those are two different qualities..
@@user-pj7sq7ce1f I'm not wrong, I'm only repeating what the guy in the vid said, "God is both immanent and transcendent", that idea, which is called Panentheism, makes a lot of sense to me
Only one Gospel: the Gospel of Reconciliation. Jesus Christ came into their system to reconcile fallen angels to himself. We are the fallen angels kept in DNA chains of darkness of Lucifer 's world.
