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The Eclipse may be one of the most interesting, yet unexplored concepts in Elden Ring. Miquella and the forces of Castle Sol aim to have the Sun devoured and drained of its color, but is something like this really possible? The fate of Godwyn and the soulless demigods, cradled by the wandering mausoleums, seem to depend entirely on the success of this project, so a solar eclipse may be their only hope.
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@AlexHyena1
@AlexHyena1 2 года назад
“Hear me, Demigods. My children beloved. Make of thyselves that which ye desire. Be it a Lord. Be it a God. But should ye fail to become aught at all, ye will be forsaken. Amounting only to sacrifices...” - Melina, quoting Marika at the Capital Outskirts
@Demokaze
@Demokaze 2 года назад
Goddamn, Marika is like the personification of natural selection. Explains why that ghost says the wandering mausoleum is cradling her unwanted child... he was a failure in her eyes.
@THE_MOONMAN
@THE_MOONMAN 2 года назад
One of the most interesting quotes of the whole game honestly. Really puts Marika's motivations into perspective as far as why she would have involvement in the night of black knives
@LL-yd8zz
@LL-yd8zz 2 года назад
@@THE_MOONMAN I think it's a really cool quote but I don't think it relates Marika to the black knives, Godwyn was an accomplished general beloved by all, I don't think he would've become a sacrifice
@scleless1342
@scleless1342 2 года назад
@@LL-yd8zz Exactly. In fact MOST of the demi gods we meet were defintitely more than "aught". Miquella literally created am alternative to the Erdtree, became a haven for an entire species, almost resurrected several soulless demi gods etc.. and even found a way to eliminate the influence of freaking OUTER GODS!!Malenia became the greatest warrior of all her children and even attained godhood. Radahn literally stopped the emtire solar system from moving, knee-capping fate itself. Morgott became a role model and beloved monarch l, having defended the capital amd holy ground of the erdtree from being tampered with for decades etc.. The only Demi-God who you could say amounted to very little was Godrick.
@cloroxusthestainlessone4324
@cloroxusthestainlessone4324 2 года назад
@@LL-yd8zz with the sealing of the giants flame, Goldwyn's tenure as general is over. A general is neither a lord or God. With his half sacrifice on the other hand he does become a god and then becomes worthy to Marika. The golden order has the potential to absorb contradictory beliefs, Goldwyn became one of those beliefs.
@LastProtagonist
@LastProtagonist 2 года назад
Yoyoyo, there's a bunch of stuff that relates to the imagery of eclipses that's a bit hidden in the Japanese. The term for eclipse comes from 蝕 *shoku*, which is the same kanji for 蝕む *mushibamu* which means "worm-eaten; corroded; deteriorated; etc." This comes up a lot in Dark Souls to describe the way curses and the Dark eat away through things, like in "Gnaw," "Dark Fog," "Wolnir's Holy Sword," "etc. In Elden Ring, the term also comes up with items attached to Godwyn (the "Weathered" Dagger, the "corruption" of Fortissax, etc.) This all ties into the Eclipse Shotel which is described as being a sun "drained" of color. It might imply that there is or was a connection between the sun and the grace of gold, and might coincide with the Sun Realm Shield or how Warming Stones say the Erdtree was "as warm and gentle as the sun." I know that's not a ton of tangible information, so I apologize for that. One thing I've wondered about Dark Souls specifically is how "Darkmoon" Gwyndolin was also called the "Dark Sun." With the kanji for it being "陰の太陽," it may be that rather than just being "dark," the sun was "shaded" i.e. a sun in eclipse. Is this meant to coincide with the "dark moon" of Elden Ring? It's hard to say, but it is notable that the "Dark Moon" Ranni was responsible for Godwyn's death.
@VLimit11
@VLimit11 2 года назад
I never knew that fact about Gwyndolin's name, that's especially interesting to me. All of this stuff about the Black Moon, Dark Moon, Darksign, Eclipses, etc. makes me wonder if this is all meant to call back to previous games, or if it's just FromSoftware being partial towards certain themes
@AutekMor
@AutekMor 2 года назад
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@scleless1342
@scleless1342 2 года назад
Well its pretty obvious that Miquella was inspired by Gwyndolin. Hell even Prince Lothric was. The idea of a pale sickly feminine/child-like Demi-God son born of the head deity is identical in all three of these characters. They also all had "high hopes" that they would become lord of cinder/empyrean god candidate etc.. that werent met. They also all have themes of a dark eclipsed sunm Gwyndolin literally by name, Lothric by the fact that he supported letting the fore fade (a.k.a. let the "sun" eclipse as it does at end of DkS3), and Miquella via connections to the rotuals of Castle Sol and the Mausoleums.
@AneggoctopuS
@AneggoctopuS 2 года назад
Wow, this Japanese orgin provided something new to the whole picture - the first thing came across my mind is the Wormface, who had a bunch of worms attached, or gnawing through their round shape tube mouth. And it surely make the Wormface's face look like an image solar eclipse...
@user-zp8kj2cl9g
@user-zp8kj2cl9g 2 года назад
Two of my favorite loretubers collaborating. I'm fanboying hard right now
@thecryingwolf2352
@thecryingwolf2352 2 года назад
Very rare to find such a gigachad lore youtuber
@forkgodsdescendant61
@forkgodsdescendant61 2 года назад
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@MoreLoreThenThereSeems
@MoreLoreThenThereSeems 2 года назад
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@aaaaaaaaaaaaabbbb
@aaaaaaaaaaaaabbbb 2 года назад
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@theinquisitorisamage1653
@theinquisitorisamage1653 2 года назад
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@Godknowswho69
@Godknowswho69 2 месяца назад
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@daydreamer2257
@daydreamer2257 2 года назад
I always interpreted the dead demigods in the mausoleums to be the descendens of Godwyn the golden that came before his line ended in Godrick the Grafted, since we know there where other people in that family line like Godefroy. And it would explain why they are linked so tightly to undeath if they are literally related to Godwyn.
@brianquijada6574
@brianquijada6574 2 года назад
This is the most plausible thing I've read about the demigods inside the mausoleums and I feel bad because I never thought about it, lol
@pjderouen
@pjderouen 2 года назад
They could have been those that died to the Godskins
@brianquijada6574
@brianquijada6574 2 года назад
@@pjderouen something doesn't add up to that, sadly: Godwyn is the first dead demigod registered in all history. If the demigods inside the mausoleums were victims of the Godskins, it means they died before even Maliketh defeated the Gloam-Eyed Queen; which contradicts the in-game evidence, because no demigod could be killed without Destined Death
@Canaanitebabyeater
@Canaanitebabyeater 2 года назад
Isn't Gostoc the bastard son of Godrick?
@FunkyDeleriousPriest
@FunkyDeleriousPriest 2 года назад
@@brianquijada6574 who would they be victims of? Black knife assassins?
@AintNobodysBusiness
@AintNobodysBusiness 2 года назад
Untouched here, it's very likely that the the true Eclipse is the Frenzied Flame ending. In it, your character becomes headless, and in it's place is an Eclipse. In the following scene, the Eclipse is in the sky, at the center of the Frenzied Flame. I suspect that the reason the worshipers of the Eclipse failed is because they didn't understand the nature of the Eclipse at all. In true Dark Souls fashion, the Eclipse doesn't just bring new life, but also an end.
@razorfinch6555
@razorfinch6555 2 года назад
I don't think that's an eclipse during the FF ending. I think it's just some sort of black hole. It doesn't seem to be circular or look like there is an object in the sky. I think likely if the eclipse were going to be in the game it would have been involved in the cut miquella ending.
@deltacitus
@deltacitus Год назад
or a dlc
@SixBeark
@SixBeark 2 года назад
I think you can talk a bit more about the Sun Realm medium shield, item description says; "Shield of honor depicting a city crowned by the sun. It has seen better days. Much like the wear upon the shield, the Seat of the Sun is long faded away." Imo this is evidence that the sun we see in game has been altered in some major way by the time we get to it.
@sypher3492
@sypher3492 2 года назад
It is just a reference for Anor londo I think
@ThePhrog714
@ThePhrog714 2 года назад
@@sypher3492 elden ring is separate from dark souls
@sypher3492
@sypher3492 2 года назад
@@ThePhrog714 ik I’m just saying it is an Easter egg
@ThePhrog714
@ThePhrog714 2 года назад
@@sypher3492 they wouldn’t put an “easter egg” like that unless it was connected to the lore, fromsoft doesn’t do that in games. not in item descriptions. this is referring to something in elden ring, not anything from dark souls, even if there are similarities
@brianquijada6574
@brianquijada6574 2 года назад
@@ThePhrog714 friendly reminder that Deracine, a FromSoft game for PS VR, literally has a squid-like figure and it's description says it's supposed to be a godlike creature that would guide humanity to a new age. A direct reference to one of Bloodborne's endings on a game that has nothing to do with BB at all
@MidnightatMidian
@MidnightatMidian 2 года назад
if you look closely at Seluvis hat, you'll see a representation of the elden ring solar system. One of the planet has a WTF orbit that go all over the place even leaving the solar system. I think that's why the sun is so small, we are very far away from it. I think Radahn gravity power displaced the rotation of the earth. During the scene when the meteor falls, it seems the whole earth goes hyperspeed lol.
@xenasaur520
@xenasaur520 2 года назад
it's not the lands between moving, it's the stars moving. radahn was holding them back the entire time
@MidnightatMidian
@MidnightatMidian 2 года назад
@@xenasaur520 MMh not sure how it really happened, but Radhan gravity magic seems to work on mass and antimatter, but it's an interesting question indeed.
@wildmoose3979
@wildmoose3979 Год назад
@@MidnightatMidian it's stated that radahn "challenged fate itself, and brought it to its knees" and considering the stars represent fate and how ranni is powerless to do her journey against the fingers until the stars are allowed to move again, I'd say Radahn was holding up the stars and not the earth/lands between
@TyrGUN
@TyrGUN Год назад
I actually like the idea that the planet is stuck better than the stars because of Radahns gravitation powers, but it wouldn't work either because it would change the face of the planet too drastically or it would crash into the nearby star. It also isn't until after you defeat Radahn that you can get to the moonlight alter and witness a second moon possibly giving evidence of celestial halting, or like the video suggested a central planet instead of the sun, but for that to work would seem almost impossible given what we know of astronomy and astro-physics. A planet with the sun in it's solar system orbiting would have so much mass and density that it would start to produce hyrogen fusion and continue the stages of stars and I believe that is why The Lands Between couldn't feasibly have a rotational star, unless the sun is in fact not a star. I love all the theories on this game and cannot wait to learn more about the universe in it.
@Supercohboy
@Supercohboy 2 года назад
9:25 I love the irony of this moment. In the Elden Ring world, we're likely experiencing what it's like to be a character in a world that sits somewhere between the Dark Ages and post-Renaissance technologically. Therefore, it would be logical for the world to be designed in a manner to make us CONVINCED that the celestial bodies orbit our planet, not the other way around (over-simplifying, I know that the planet orbits a sun that orbits other stuff yet the moons should orbit the planet separately). It's unlikely that this was the design intent, but it would be pretty great if so. It's more likely imo that everything else does genuinely surround the terrestrial world in ER. The Outer Gods literally live in unfathomable deep space, which is far removed from the terrestrial (singular) World. The underground is vaster and goes deeper than the diggable crust of a real planet possibly could. The spirit world is literal and separate. Etc.
@vervetwrydavigy3006
@vervetwrydavigy3006 2 года назад
much of the lore of Elden Ring is influenced by outdated and archaic ideas of how the world works, for example Deathblight works on the defunct theory of spontaneous generation, so it could be possible that the solar system of the Lands Between actually is Geocentric.
@MoreLoreThenThereSeems
@MoreLoreThenThereSeems 2 года назад
I feel like the context of old death would really help contextualize a lot of Elden ring.
@SpookeyGael
@SpookeyGael 2 года назад
The near-complete absence of the sun in Elden Ring is probably the strangest aspect of the setting, and imo provides the strongest thematic evidence of the Elden Beast/Erdtree being an alien/foreign invader. Why else would it have essentially supplanted the role of the sun if it didn't see it as a direct competitor?
@Leonard-Mazet
@Leonard-Mazet 2 года назад
Yup i feel that way as well
@kawailook
@kawailook 2 года назад
Out your opinion
@Kammereer
@Kammereer 2 года назад
The sun is up there in the sky, though outside of Limgrave it's not always easy to see.
@stuartcarter4139
@stuartcarter4139 2 года назад
During the frenzied flame ending the flame blots out the sun
@Zantetsu13
@Zantetsu13 2 года назад
@@Kammereer The only place I could clearly see the sun from was on Crumbling Farum Azula, which is stuck in time; otherwise all shadows that should be cast from the sun come from the Erdtree. The gravestone for one of the jellyfish sisters states "She never saw the sun" , however the sisters were old enough to be able to talk when they died and promise each other to go watch the stars. The warming stones description state that the erdtree was as warm and gentle as the sun, but the dialogue in Casle sol describes a frigid sun.
@miomio6890
@miomio6890 2 года назад
Description of the Warming Stone: "It's said that the Erdtree was once as warm as the gentle sun, and would gradually heal all those who bathed in its rays." Sun Realm Shield description: "Much like the wear on the shield, The Seat of the Sun is long faded away." Both of these suggest that Leyndell was once called the Seat of the Sun for the brightness of the Erdtree's glow during the Age of Plenty. It's no wonder then to think that the Erdtree would have supplanted the real sun since it could do you one extra aka heal you (showing that it's better).
@kamionero
@kamionero 5 месяцев назад
This is the only video I found that actually addresses the eclipse when exploring the lore of the mausoleums. By far the best vid on the matter!
@DarkMoonGreatsword
@DarkMoonGreatsword 2 года назад
Yo u had the balls to cover something as vague as the eclipse lore mad respect bro
@ruperthart5190
@ruperthart5190 2 года назад
I never noticed the sun was so faint, but it explains why the nights are so bright. I had thought from soft did a bad job of darkness, but actually it's making the point that the erd tree is far more powerful than the sun. Also, I totally thought both commander nial and O'Neil were the same guy until you put their names side by side. That's a deliberate troll right there :)
@jetpropulsionlabrador3615
@jetpropulsionlabrador3615 2 года назад
- Trees love sun - Erdtree is a Tree - Stop the sun from reaching the Erdtree - Erdtree’s influence stops - Miquella and Malenia stop the meddling of outer gods Ranni also wants to stop the outer gods meddling, but she and Rennala relied on the two moons. Her ending was a lot more successful. Curious about how it all ties together and why…
@darielvillatoro8365
@darielvillatoro8365 4 месяца назад
Goldmask's ending can achieve this too, if I'm not mistaken
@jst5280
@jst5280 2 года назад
To me, it kind of seems like they wanted Godwyn (or the death blight itself, which is an incantation btw! Which directly relates to prayers)to drain vitality from their sun and be reborn from it. Godwyn and his spreading vines are designed to be like an amalgamation of different forms, but with the heavy emphasis on growth and spreading, transformation, and vines (which take life from things by stealing their sustenance), it almost seems like Godwyn's body grows and hungers to be made whole again... searching for its soul, and for life in general beyond just its physical form. The symbol of the solar eclipse is not unlike that of the death mark, it almost seems like the death mark surrounding a dark sun, which could be emblematic of the Prince of Death absorbing it or feeding off of it. We know that the stars are all alive, and from their vitality is glintstone sorcery channeled, but also that they have some way of weaving fate. It's the reason Radahn stopped the stars, and the reason Ranni was stuck like she was... funny enough, destined death seems to be specifically named with a synonym for fate, which is of course the "destined" part. If the sun is a star, are the star is unable to see part of the worrld due to an eclipse, maybe it also loses the ability to shaoe fate in an area like that? Either way, removing an area from the visibility of one who shapes fate also seems to prevent destined death, and allows for new beginnings and rebirth, which seems pretty important. Also, Castle Sol seems to be guarded by souls, and it is their goal to cause a solar eclipse, hoping to return souls to the demigods without them? It seems like some neat word play might also be important here, given how those words are so closely related to the lore from the looks of it, and in sound/spelling too. It makes you wonder if the only thing powerful enough to restore the soul of a demigod would be to remove fate from the picture entirely, but in that case, Radahn should have been enough. It really seems like the goal is for death blight to make its way to the star and consume its vitality during the eclipse... if Godwyn could die, he would have, but at this point it seems his horrifically stunted and unchecked growth into the abomination he is now will only be remedied by finding something capable of returning his soul, or maybe even giving him something with such vitality, that he could have or make a new one. After all, if he seeks undeath, growth, and transformation... and his vines spread across the land, looking for something, feeding on something... Godwyn will likely be reborn, and the eclipse is what they all seem to be banking on. I think we know why, with all of these things in mind.
@aranthur
@aranthur 2 года назад
Great video! I've been very curious about this topic for a while, to be honest Like, I wonder if maybe there is a connection between the sun and the forge of the giants, given that the forge was built in the furthest northeast point of the Lands Between, the closest place to the sunrise you can possibly be. Not to mention, the eye of the giant god has a centril pupil surrounded by 8 others, potentially representing a solar system? Or the planet in orbit around the sun, or vice versa? Maybe the sun and the flame within the forge are reflections of each other, pitiful little remnants of something that was once much greater but still refuses to go out completely, and the ritual to cause the eclipse would have involved going to the forge and putting out the flame. But the knights of Castle Sol were repelled by the fire giant and the monks and whatnot guarding the path there
@Protomanis
@Protomanis Год назад
I know this is 5 months late, but the circles in the eye of the Fell God is actually probably a reference to the north pole of Jupiter. It's exactly like the cyclones that circle around the pole
@SuperMaster000X
@SuperMaster000X 2 года назад
It would be so cool that the elden ring dlc happens with the eclipse. Imagine Godwyn waking up in a monster body, falling into madness for it.
@dornez2106
@dornez2106 2 года назад
Appreciate the may-mays in between, while still maintaining to be coherent and informative lorewise :^)
@DiavalloX
@DiavalloX Год назад
Eclipse as an uncorrupted child: wow cool natural phenomena Eclipse after reading berserk: *pain*
@SmoughTown
@SmoughTown 2 года назад
Interesting subject mate, really enjoyed your presentation
@windsgrace688
@windsgrace688 2 года назад
Great video. I've always thought the celestial bodies were somehow tied to the outer gods and their influence meaning that the reason the sun seems so far is that the Greater Will's influence is getting weaker and weaker and considering how long it takes the two-fingers to attempt to reach it and how small it is, it could be that it really is moving farther and farther away (or the world is moving away from it). I believe there's mention that Morgot's god also has a star but I don't remember the exact quote and where it's from.
@TastelessMeat
@TastelessMeat 2 года назад
Oh man that Bioshock song caught me off guard with old memories
@ZanukaV
@ZanukaV Год назад
the dlc might take place in the eclipse, since its the actual tree that illuminates the lands between, and the eclipse might refere to an obscuration of the tree like we see in the teaser
@jst5280
@jst5280 2 года назад
I was just watching another video a moment ago that showed the Elden Beast's entire body. It's got limbs like terrestrial creatures, leaf-like wings, and fins like aquatic creatures, and its tail looks like an Erdtree.I wanted to come back here and pose a question after having seen that... is the purpose of Godwyn and the eclipse, as well as rebirth after his radical transformation, meant to be for the purpose of creating another Elden Beast? (Or maybe something like it?) Godwyn shares many of these features too, though in a more grotesque way, and considering his aim seems to potentially be devouring the star, it would make for another interesting parallel considering the Elden Beast came from a star, though maybe not in the sense of what we know stars to be in our world. Not only that, but his corpse, too, is at the foot of the Erdtree, seemingly affixed to it as if it could be part of his body as he grows and mutates around it. Also, just another weird little detail, Godwyn's head hangs off of his corpse in a way that is very similar to the way the Elden Beast's eye/head/thingy seems to hang off of it's long neck to the side (you can check the fextra life wiki if you wanna see what I mean about the Elden Beast)
@zabiannaibaz649
@zabiannaibaz649 2 года назад
It seems to me that his body is slowly turning into a basilisk, but the idea of consuming the Star is interesting. If he's looking for his soul ( or life ) then maybe he is trying to devour the elden beast and since both his corpse and the beast are connected to the tree it was just a matter of time.
@SwirlingVOD
@SwirlingVOD Год назад
I firmly believe the reason Malenia incurred a war with Radahn was to force him to move the moon and /or stars to create the eclipse. It would explain why she traveled so far just to challenge him as well as give merit to why Malenia refers to herself as the blade of Miquella as she is doing his bidding to help him in his quest to bring back Godwyn. It would also explain why Ranni didn't assist either side in that territorial aggression as Malenia would have had to march an army through Ranni's territory meaning she should have been aware beforehand. But if Ranni sided with Malenia, Malenia would not have allowed Ranni to kill Radahn and if she sided with Radahn she would not be a match for Radahn solo at the time and she would be putting herself in Radahn's path as well as Miquella's bringing attention to her situation regarding her body and the use of the death rune.
@coolrock3733
@coolrock3733 2 года назад
outerwilds music + lore explanation = noice
@SlavicusVile
@SlavicusVile 2 года назад
This video does an excellent job of noticing a side story, and then fleshing it out and showing its importance to the overall tale, bringing to the forefront explanations for things that seemed without purpose. 10/10
@saintxerxes3465
@saintxerxes3465 2 года назад
What I really like is that you took the extra effort to actually show why the eclipse is not possible instead of only reading item descriptions. really sets this lore video apart from traditional content found on RU-vid
@TheAshenHollow
@TheAshenHollow 2 года назад
Aye, great work dude! =D Oh, oh, do you think all the headless demigods were killed by the Godskin and they're missing their heads because the Godskin used them to make their skin armor have faces? =O
@VLimit11
@VLimit11 2 года назад
I've yet to hear that perspective, but it definitely sounds plausible! I wanted to dedicate some time to say what I think killed them, but there were so many possibilities that it would have just been an insanely deep rabbit hole to go down
@adamyohan
@adamyohan 2 года назад
It just occurred to me that the mausoleums' constant motion ties in to the themes of flowing and stagnant waters. That's such a cool detail man.
@hhowdy
@hhowdy 2 года назад
I remember when I thought the Erdtree lit up the land between because there was so much golden clouds you couldn’t even see the sun
@charmygreen665
@charmygreen665 2 года назад
This is the first video ive seen to even touch on the topic. Really like your presentation and style too. Good shit
@bohba13
@bohba13 2 года назад
can I just say how smooth that transition from the NASA image of an eclipse to the eclipse shotel was? dayum.
@evilfungas
@evilfungas 7 месяцев назад
It seems likely to me Malenia fought Radahn to allow for Miquella's eclipse, because Radahn was holding back the movement of the heavens.
@travisoliver6741
@travisoliver6741 2 года назад
I feel the lore around the eclipse to be _really_ odd, and I only learned abiout it a few days ago. Beyond the obvious Berserk reference, I hadn't looked into it all that much, but this video was very informative. You mentioning the unnaturalness of the sun (Which I hadn't noticed on account of focusing on the two moons), plus reading the Item Description, paints another sinister aspect to add to the Greater Will. The fact that the sun cannot form an eclipse is incredibly suspect, as you mentioned. It has to have been possible at some point, since the iconography of everything involving it is spot on, and similar meaning is ascribed to eclipses like they are in our world. Considering that at least one of the Moons in the Lands Between involves an Outer God of some sort (As the Dark Moon relates to Ranni and the Eternal Cities), and stars are living beings (Astel), it stands to reason that most Celestial Bodies have unnatural aspects to them. The Sun Realm Shield makes mention of the "Seat of the Sun" having long since faded away, and a city that was once crowned by the sun. This realm is almost certainly Farum Azula, which is notably always sunny even if it is night, and is the city closest to the sun that existed before the Erdtree. To those who might note that Farum Azula is outside of time to explain the anomaly, only Placidusax's arena is, as that is the only place where Miquella's Needle works. Everything points to the sun having significance in the past, but in the current day, it doesn't have a strong presence, and the Erdtree seems much brighter than it...one can even say that the Erdtree *eclipses* it. So, here's my theory: 1. Lord Placidusax and his Dragon God ruled the Lands Between from Farum Azula. Their Outer God was linked to the Sun in some way. 2. The Greater Will arrives, usurps the position of the Sun via the Erdtree, expels the Dragon God, and Placidusax flees. 3. By taking over the sun, it is linked to the Erdtree, which is unnaturally bright. If the sun goes behind the Moon and an eclipse happens, it is very possible that the Greater Will's authority will wane. This idea of the sun god being weakened or in mortal danger from an eclipse is a fairly common theme throughout the world, and the Ancient Greeks believed eclipses to be ill omens. 4. Erdtree Burial, despite what the Golden Order claims, is unnatural, and the original method was either the Deathrite Birds or whatever the Ancestor worshippers are doing. Considering the Erdtree parasitized the Crucible, and artificial species and those not born of the Erdtree are reviled, it is likely that the Erdtree feeds on souls for power. 5. If an eclipse happens, as Miquella (An intelligent person who left the Golden Order behind) and the Church of the Eclipse believe, then the Erdtree's soulsucking can be reversed. The sun, which I believe to be a stand-in/aspect of the Erdtree, was said to be "drained" of color in the Eclipse Shotel, which sounds like that Erdtree losing its power. Whatever the meaning is, the end result seems to be that the soulless Demigods can be returned to life, and Godwyn can be freed fom his current existence. 6. The Greater Will realized this, and made certain that an eclipse can never happen by messing with the orbit of the Sun, and quite possibly screwing with the moons.
@aclassicusername2174
@aclassicusername2174 2 года назад
I always figured the dead Demigods in the Mausoleums were the victims of the shattering, those slain by the remaining lords, as seen in the opening. Also, I saw in another comment somebody mentioning that as the sun is so small, perhaps most light is provided by the Erdtree itself. This is an interesting way to look at it, and my thought is then its the moon eclipsing the Erdtree which shouldn't be possible, however, with the implication of Ranni's ending, perhaps that is the eclipsing of the Erdtree, with the moon swallowing/replacing the erdtree, letting only a small amount of light to remain. This would also work with Ranni's true meaning of dialogue, not the mistranslated version, which I believe talks about leaving the world as without gods, thus restoring them all to equal status as myths and returning their literary "souls," allowing myths and legends of them to flourish anew, remembered by the godless humans who remember the mythos of the shattering.
@rida81
@rida81 2 года назад
honestly, I was under the presumption that there was no sun in elden ring except near the far north, and the erdtree gave off all the light. Guess I was wrong on that front with that initial picture, haha
@Monsata.
@Monsata. 2 года назад
A little late to this video, but i always figured that the skulls affixed to the legs of the Mausoleums were the severed skulls of the Mausoleum Knights.
@Llenterak
@Llenterak 2 года назад
The Outer Wilds track is very relevant -- as the Sun Station similarly failed to work, after all their effort. Very well put.
@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668
@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668 2 года назад
Maybe initiating the Eclipse will be a subject in a future DLC
@coldbacon4869
@coldbacon4869 2 года назад
This whole time I thought stuff on the mausoleums were barnacles 🗿
@Linkarcus
@Linkarcus 2 года назад
Great video. The Eclipse and Castle Sol lore has always stumped me, but relating it to Godwyn was very smart. I think you're correct about for sure. One thing that probably isn't important, but I think is neat, is that Deathroot (and maybe the Rune of Death) seem related to water. The Mariners are obviously related to water, Godwyn's body is fish like, and the deathroot itself we see around has tentacles sometimes. Water (specifically the tides) are related to the moon, and in this case of the Eclipse, the Sun would be what cures Godwyn.
@ahmedyousry7788
@ahmedyousry7788 2 года назад
that was amazing, love your lore videos
@MetalCaffeine56
@MetalCaffeine56 2 года назад
I wonder if any potential DLC will be about The Eclipse. Maybe we help Miquella summon The Eclipse to give Godwyn and the other soulless demigods a true death.
@crestfallenhussar895
@crestfallenhussar895 2 года назад
Finally, a lore video where my compatriots are given their due. The editing in this was great by the way.
@Tsuba_Nick
@Tsuba_Nick 2 года назад
So glad I discovered your channel! The lore points, the spooooky ghosts and nice delivery! Looking forward to more. Also random thought, but I keep thinking if there is any significance to the mending rune of the perfect order looking like an eclipse.
@Tsuba_Nick
@Tsuba_Nick 2 года назад
Wait the mending rune of the death prince also looks like an eclipse and would tie in more neatly to the points discussed in the video I suppose
@Pearl-Slug
@Pearl-Slug 2 года назад
Interesting, I hadn't considered the idea that the soulless demigods in the mausoleums had died post-Godwyn. I always assumed that they were, perhaps, Marika's stillborn children - that they didn't die, so much as they never even lived in the first place, making Godwyn's death that much more of a big deal. But... I had never noticed that bit from the mausoleum soldier ashes description. The soulless demigods are just so fascinating and mysterious to me. If we were to say, get a DLC that starts with that eclipse finally happening and reviving them... that means seven new potential demigod bosses! (A number which also happens to line up with the number of Marika/Radagon's direct offspring that are either half-dead or potentially killed by the player.)
@redheadsilver8041
@redheadsilver8041 Год назад
Maybe Marika and Radagon tried to have children multiple times, but ended in failure because they are the same person. Eventually they got lucky and birthed the twin empyreans, and even then these were born cursed.
@RENDAN_iel
@RENDAN_iel 2 года назад
I have been hoping for a lore video about this 👌🏼
@giverdend1416
@giverdend1416 2 года назад
Goldmask's Rune of Perfect Order resembles a total eclipse and encircles all of the Elden Ring once placed.
@dangerpin352
@dangerpin352 2 года назад
Love that lil dancing ghost
@saulitix
@saulitix 2 года назад
Thank god for this video. The whole Sol Castle area and its plot were so confusing to me, as were the walking mausoleums.
@PrinceAzizHunt
@PrinceAzizHunt 2 года назад
Your content never ceases to inform me on incredible well thought out theories and then kill me with laughter in the graphics you use for explanations. Thank you, for the laughs and the videos
@WynterLegend
@WynterLegend 2 года назад
Hmmm.... now THAT would be an awesome DLC. "Elden Ring: Eclipse of Dead Gods"
@lutfiiqsannugraha4936
@lutfiiqsannugraha4936 2 года назад
man kingdom edge's music fits really well with castle sol
@magma_man750
@magma_man750 2 года назад
First time I saw one of your videos and got to say I love it more than all the Vaati videos I've seen .
@ianmcpherson2171
@ianmcpherson2171 2 года назад
An early medieval history. It was believed that the Earth was the center of the known universe. Given the astrology of Elden ring, it would make sense of a developer's took this approach.
@mateuszsotys3912
@mateuszsotys3912 2 года назад
I believe that Soulless demigods are what happened to some part of the Golden Lineage. Godrick is the last of the Golden Lineage, Godwyn was the first, there was Godefroy somewhere in-between, but what about others? Godrick is still considered a Demigod, so all of the Golden Lineage would be too. And there were other shardbearers in the past, we know that because the Fingergranny tells us she once saw two great runes with the same person in the past (probably Vyke). Maybe after the night of the Black Knives the Black Knives were hired by other parties to murder other Demigods?
@ashholenyc1312
@ashholenyc1312 2 года назад
Ok anyone else notice how the eclipse shotel and the death curse mark look almost exactly the same
@tricks177
@tricks177 2 года назад
The ghost animation had me dying
@benjaminnoble2244
@benjaminnoble2244 2 года назад
You need to get Scott Manley in here to help with orbital mechanics. You used KSP music, you know who he is.
@Robocopnik
@Robocopnik Год назад
I'd guess the sun isn't prominent because the Erdtree is pretty clearly inspired by the Two Trees, which existed before the Sun.
@AneggoctopuS
@AneggoctopuS 2 года назад
It is very strange that a land with no solar eclipse could develop such a concept. So there must had been eclipse recorded and caused significant change in the history of the Lands Between.
@SEgrin28
@SEgrin28 2 года назад
The mausoleums are always moving except for late night.
@one-eyed-dragon
@one-eyed-dragon 2 года назад
Amazing video as always mate. Just some notes regarding the Mausoleum Knights: >The existence of Headless Carian trolls around the 4 Belfries seems to indicated decapitation to become ghosts could have been a common or at least widely known practice separate to the Golden Order. >The Sacrificial Axe represents a Deathbird, and is said to have been used in ancient sacrificial rites. Axes have commonly been used to decapitate. Combined with the Mausoleum Knight's using Deathbird wings, this makes for interesting connections. Also, ragarding Miquella: >I have heard that at Miquella's Haligtree there exist copies of the same crowned bodies that can be seen inside the Mausoleums, except that they aren't headless. Haven't confirmed it myself but i've been shown pictures so just wanted to throw this out there. >I may have missed this due to not paying attention, but I don't think you mentioned the Golden Epitaath sword, which helps relate Miquella to Godwyn (the sword talks about a young boy praying to Godwyn: "O brother, lord brother, please die a true death." The sword AoW also makes a Haligtree symbol when used, so just more confirmation). And I think thats all I have to say. Cheers!
@VLimit11
@VLimit11 2 года назад
I never made that connection to the Sacrificial Axe, good catch! I think you're right, this looks like it was very likely the weapon used to sever these creatures' heads. It even looks like it's shaped exactly for that purpose
@crimsonflood1643
@crimsonflood1643 2 года назад
he mentioned the golden epitaph sword at the very beginning lol
@everts2997
@everts2997 2 года назад
I liked the vid simply because you used the telitubbies sun. And because the vid is great :')
@Jasar25
@Jasar25 2 года назад
I love how you used sr Pelo sun, great video.
@lytri_3608
@lytri_3608 2 месяца назад
the eclipse greatshield gives you resistance against every negative status effect (rot, poison, frost usw) except for death blight xD
@billfletcher3966
@billfletcher3966 Год назад
Interestingly enough, "Sol" is also the name of our solar system.
@highlightermarca-texto3281
@highlightermarca-texto3281 2 года назад
Here's what I always thought was weird. Rodgier says it's the first RECORDED demigod death. We know that Rodgier can be wrong, and that Marika's empire isn't above rewriting history (we know Godfrey isn't the first Elden Lord for example). So what if these other demigods died before Godwyn? "In Marika's own words. Hear me, Demigods. My children beloved. Make of thyselves that which ye desire. Be it a Lord. Be it a God. But should ye fail to become aught at all, ye will be forsaken. Amounting only to sacrifices..." What if these other souless demigods were the sacrifices?
@xxblackmagic1574
@xxblackmagic1574 2 года назад
Lmao i loved how you used majoras mask moon in the vid😂😂😂
@missingn0o
@missingn0o 2 года назад
Maybe one has to merge the moons...? Ranni, who is the daugther of rennala, queen of the FULL moon, has two faces that reflect these two moons As the moons are technically always full in our definition, maybe the full moon refers to the two merged moons that could actually capable of an eclipse
@Rost1992
@Rost1992 2 года назад
The stars not moving, is adressed when you kill the gravity magic amateur in his youth, Radahn.
@KoEnder
@KoEnder 2 года назад
Guts from Berserk: *Vietnam Flashbacks*
@metalvoiceguy1232
@metalvoiceguy1232 2 года назад
For the entire video I just had the pink floyd song stuck in my head
@vinegar3617
@vinegar3617 2 года назад
I always figured someone had summoned the God Hand.
@DiavalloX
@DiavalloX Год назад
imagine a mf struggling to beat the first boss and decide to pull out a behelit 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
@darksh1ne1
@darksh1ne1 2 года назад
Thanks a lot. Thanks to your video I finally figured out what's the deal with the walking mausoleums. Still not sure where all the headless demigods come from though
@DarkElfman05
@DarkElfman05 2 года назад
Huge work, thanks for this theory I love it! It's a little far-fetched but some points makes me think that the eclipse is a metaphor about the burning Erdtree; in first the Erdtree is currently glowing even in night, and as the warming stone description teaches us the Erdtree was "warm as the gentle sun". So, in the same way as an eclipse "lights off" the sun, my opinion is it's a prophetic vision of the death of the Erdtree, and so also the Golden Order reign. There is already some traces about this prophetic vision: in the candletree wooden shield their description said "Thought to represent a surreptitious prophecy of cardinal sin, the lit candle-tree design was forbidden." More, it's maybe a pretty trivial detail but theses candle-trees are already present in the map as the ghostly candlesticks that can be found all over the Lands Between (the ones that make a ghost appear to guide you to a well hidden cave) and as normal candlesticks in Elphael (and only there), with the same identical design. It leads me to think that Miquella included this prophecy in his cult as a step to build a more egalitarian society on the Golden Order and Erdtree ashes (literally and figuratively), wich is not incoherent with your findings, isn't it?
@xSephyr
@xSephyr 2 года назад
I was watching this video and all of a sudden he put the Kingdoms edge from hollow knight in there and I was like... wait.. are my ears working? xd
@goldenbough6563
@goldenbough6563 2 года назад
Great video. The mausoleums are a juicy mystery and don't receive enough attention. A few points for consideration. In Elden Ring, the Erd Tree itself is a solar entity and represents the power of the sun. Being the heaviest object at the center of the system, the sun has the power to attract objects from the periphery such as malformed stars and send them on a collision course with the lands between. Gold commandeth the very stars. As regards the idea of soulless demigods residing in the mausoleums, Godwyn was only soulless because Ranni killed herself at the same time. This ritual would've have to been repeated with each of the other demigods for them to be soulless and that seems a little . . excessive. And if the mausoleums were built after Godwyn's death, why are they constructed in an ancient architectural style from the eternal cities? An interesting detail about the mausoleums is that two of them - the ones next to the mausoleum compound - don't appear to duplicate shardbearer remembrances. The number of mausoleums is possibly relevant to their true nature. There are seven. Setting aside the phantom great rune, there are seven great runes we encounter in-game. I've spent some time just looking at these runes recently, and one of the ideas that crossed my mind was whether they could be interpreted as some kind of astrological or astronomical symbols for different kinds of eclipses. Anyway, don't take any of these ideas as criticism, they're just talking points. I love your videos and that cool philosophical rigor. Keep them coming.
@lawsontake7383
@lawsontake7383 2 года назад
Thank you so much for explaining the curse mark ruins of death
@cameranwall
@cameranwall 2 года назад
Been studying astrology for many years. Eclipses are not simply signifiers of a new age, but portals into them. You come out the other side of an eclipse a different person. Not only are they portals into new ages but into other worlds (think the berserk finale). Casting spells or making wishes during an eclipse is highly advised against unless you’re very skilled and know who you’re talking to on the other side of that portal. You could be talking to your guardian angel or you could be striking a deal with the devil and not know it
@theforgottenscribe
@theforgottenscribe Год назад
I don't see anyone else bringing this up, but is it also possible that the way the sun, stars, and moons are presented in Elden Ring are a direct result of Radahn's "stopping" them? You bring up the fact it seems only the sun has any motion to it-and Radahn is directly stated to have stopped the stars in their tracks in the Golden Order's name, no? Another commenter brought up the fact the Erdtree seems to have more or less replaced the sun functionally for the Lands Between, and in game the Carians believed the Stars dictated fate. Could it be that Destined Death's rune, itself, couldn't merely be stopped by removing the rune itself from the Elden Ring? Or perhaps this is showing that there are more moving parts to how life and death and other such things than merely the Elden Ring, showing that there is no one true "all governing" source of life and such? It's an interesting thought to toy with at least, but I do find it likely deliberate that Radahn is the Starscourge and seemingly the only celestial body still physically moving is either the sun itself or the world of the Lands Between.
@IvanovGeorgiy
@IvanovGeorgiy 2 года назад
Quite possible that there was a third moon at one point, the black moon that once was over Nokstella. Now supposedly it is in shards that are memory stones, and the talisman that you find in that eternal city. The cities of Noxes, were condemned to be underground for their role in the Night of Black Knives. So perhaps, that eclipse would have been possible, if that moon was still around. But alas, now they have only Full Moon of Raenalla, and Dark Moon of Ranni; that cannot align with the sun.
@tyleryoung8049
@tyleryoung8049 Год назад
Great video, I love diving into Elden ring lore and your videos are great at connecting pieces of lore spread across the lands between. See you for the next journey Tarnished
@STARSINFINITYAURORA
@STARSINFINITYAURORA 2 года назад
Background song at 6:00 is from the game Outer Wilds - Echoes of the Eye.
@AntediluvianGirl
@AntediluvianGirl 2 года назад
Hoy V-Limit, about the "Commander O'Neill may be connected to Niall" it's not just a maybe you just don't have the etymological context Niall is an old English version of Neill, the O' at the start of the name means "son of" or "child of" Commander O'Neill literally means "son of Commander Neill/Niall that is also a commander himself" dude is his son
@VLimit11
@VLimit11 2 года назад
I never knew that, thanks for the clarification!
@nathanielscott6159
@nathanielscott6159 7 месяцев назад
Moon landing, solar eclipse, dark side of the moon. Alien party crash.
@lolocoaster1
@lolocoaster1 2 года назад
Sol=Soul He can't keep getting away with it.
@claymore2323
@claymore2323 2 года назад
Just picked up the Greatshield while looking for stuff to use on my frost paladin, liked it cuz of ds3. Seems like an even better fit for the char now who rejects the erdtree. Great vid
@QuestionableObject
@QuestionableObject 2 года назад
The way that items and characters refer to the celestial bodies in Elden Ring, I don't think they at all obey the same rules as real world celestial bodies.
@zora508
@zora508 2 года назад
Godwyn is the oldest between all the demigods and godrick Ancestor So I think it makes sense that all the soulless demigods are his children or descents
@Timberwolftrass
@Timberwolftrass 2 года назад
i do think that Eclipse's are possible in the world of Elden Ring, however their ability to influence the world poses a threat to the power that the Greater Will currently has a strangehold on. we know that the Greater Will is not the only cosmic entity that is trying to get control of the world of Elden Ring. there are other entities that are trying to usurp the Greater Will as the dominant power and an Eclipse might aid them in achieving this goal. obviously this is all just my personal speculation/interpretation but if all of this were true, it is safe to assume that the reason that the latest Eclipse never happened and while we subsequently don't see any Eclipse's is because the Greater Will has a way to influence the movement of the moons and the sun to prevent an Eclipse from happening. considering that Radahn was able to keep stars from moving with his willpower and that the Greater Will is far more powerful than Radahn on account of being an outer god/cosmic entity, that theory is not entirely impossible.
@zeelock1419
@zeelock1419 2 года назад
You should do one about the blind swordsmen, I’ve been playing as a “blind swordsman” ever since I started the game
@ianhandy5090
@ianhandy5090 2 года назад
We know other champions have gained shards of the elden ring and killed demigods, like vyke. Whenever we kill a demigod, they usually end up small and shrivelled, like godrick and morgott, so these bodies to me have always been the defeated demigods.
@ThatGuy-y2c
@ThatGuy-y2c 2 года назад
Dude, Marika gets around.
@azeria1
@azeria1 2 года назад
Dlc where we bring the sun back to its original brilliance and fix everything driving away all outer gods and malformed stars
@josephrush3166
@josephrush3166 2 года назад
Miquella is gna blow up one of those moons in the DLC, causing it to drift Into line. Pt 2 and the end game will be dealing with Goldwyn
@sandcrawlerstudios2013
@sandcrawlerstudios2013 2 года назад
The skulls on the mausoleums are the heads of the mausoleum knights
@yazero6090
@yazero6090 4 месяца назад
the failure of the eclipse occurring may be due to radahn halting the motion of celestial objects
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