Miquella & The Soulless Bones | Elden Ring Lore 

You are spoiling my next video! The only thing i would like to add is that it seems like the sun was the one they tried to move, not the moon. This is implied by an earlier version of the ghost's dialogue.

Frankly, a lot of people are familiar with this theory. But the fanbase argues the theory that Malenia went to Caelid to look for her brother because they are thinking Miquella and Malenia were innocent harmless people. If you say Miquella sent Malenia to Caelid to kill Radahn, they'll probably put you down.That's why most people don't talk about this theory.

@@Kosmos_er I wonder if there are different suns in the game? Because even if we don't kill Radahn, the sun moves? Either the sun is no longer under Radahn's control because its power has weakened, or has Radahn conquered something else?

@@lacrima5571 The astronomy of ER make zero sense. The possibility of a second sun isn't crazy (could explain how the moon is always a crescent). And technically the sun doesn't move it's the planet that rotates :p (if we assume real world logic).

@@lacrima5571 so the planet we're on continuing to spin is why we still have night and day, but it no longer moves around the sun. Which would mean there haven't been any seasons since Radahn froze the stars, if the Lands Between even had seasons. The idea the world will enter autumn for the first time in centuries adds to the meaning of, "The falling leaves tell a story..."

Agreed. I've always thought part of the lore about the mausoleums and the gargoyles was missing from the story. Given what we find in the Nameless City in the Deeproot Depths, I always assumed they were related to the Nox.

That, combined with it being infected by scarlet rot + possible adverse affects from being fed by miquella's blood.

The Erdtree absorbed the runes of the dead through its roots and rebirthed the buried souls into new bodies grown upon its boughs. But only the most esteemed were granted this honor. The idea of fighting that bestows a reward in death comes from the older rituals of the Twinbird sages and deathbirds, which are more closely related to the Helphen (a tree that served as the candlelight guiding the wandering dead to their final resting place). Now, it could be argued that the Helphen could be the key to guiding those living in death from deathroot toward their true death, but it’s also clear that this point that the deathroot holds a far greater influence, if the Helphen is even around at all. Perhaps that is at least part of what the Haligtree was meant to become.

Not sure why these ideas and others are so ignored. Such as, malenia going to caleid to fight radahn so the eclipse could happen. I think that is the only theory that makes sense. I've seen a lot of radahn simps though, so maybe thats why. Radahn must be a good guy for some reason, not sure why. Personally radahn is like the 3rd of 4th worst in my book, behind mogh and godrick for sure.

Niall's master?

I'm absolutely with you when it comes to keeping GRRM in mind. I think Miquella and Marika were trying to make the Haligtree something of a "separate" erdtree, one deprived of outer god influence. Part of my theory is Gideon's reaction to Miquella's kidnapping: "I suppose the queen's sorrow was justified." This phrasing makes me think the queen was Marika, and the thing that triggered the shattering of the Elden Ring, specifically, seems to have been the ruination of this ultimate plan and the vanishing of her son.

​​@@jackreacher7495 Its seriously frustrating how many off-hand remarks gideon makes about the deeper secrets in the lore. Like, we have a character that probably knows the details behind miquella and marika's plans, the reasoning for marika shattering the elden ring, deep insight on grand figures like the ancient deity and and the reign of plasidusax, knowledge about the primeval current... ...but gideon's too busy being a douchebag to actually speak about any of this edit: he's the embodiment of the * refuses to elaborate * dies * memes

Ori, midnight burrow i believe. Don't apologize lol

Im interested in hearing your “Godwyn is a rapist” theory 0_0

@@numbah1525 sure. First, are you a Berserk Fan? One major piece of evidence is predicated on a subtle Berserk reference so it helps of you are. Secondly, I would ask that you watch the Zullie the Witch video about The Dung Eater. She explains how Dungeater is stealing souls via sexual assualt... More or less. Basically, your soul is in your butthole lol... Of course Fromsoft isnt going to say EXACTLY what is happening, because thay would earn them an M rating... So they are subtle about it. Okay with that out of the way... Its all about Castle Sol and what went down there. The NPC Ghosts lay the scene. Miquella and "his friend" (Godwyn, already being refered to as The Prince of Death) are there to take the soul of the Demigod of Castle Sol. The Walking Mausoleum (being tombs of Demigods) allows us to draw the conclusion that they must have succeeded. Why else would there be a Mausoleum there? The Eclipse Shotel is the Berserk Reference and the crux of the theory. It reads - "Storied sword and treasure of Castle Sol that depicts an eclipsed sun drained of color. One of the legendary armaments. In Sol, the sight of an eclipse inspires a dreadful awe, preventing an onlooker from averting his gaze." The second part is the Berserk reference. To be brief, In the Manga the bad guy causes an eclipse. Then he has demons hold down the hero and forces the hero to watch as the bad guy rapes the good guys girlfriend. With that in mind, reread that second paragraph. That is how Fromsoft tells us that Godwyn raped the Castle Sol demigod. Thats the quick version. There is more to it obviously. There always is.

You get Malenia and Rykard's remembrances, and neither of them is *dead* dead.

@@dracorex426 yes they are... Did you miss Tanith EATING Rykard? Regardless. Do you think that invalidates every other point?

Hit me up with the wild, I love it.

Simply to protect selia. Selia as descendants of their eternal cities are still assailed by the stars for living in the surface.

Same honestly, Miquella has massive "is secretly evil" vibes.

@@Kosmos_er oh, I do have one thing. I think all three empyreans were candidates for the same outer god of rot. I think Ranni and Miquella both also had the rot at various points which likely encouraged their various transformations. Ranni's corpse is missing limbs in odd ways. There was something else that made me think this but now I am forgetting.

I think “bad” is the wrong description. Closet thing to Bad in Elden Ring I would say is the dung eater. He wants nothing but ruin. Miquella is An enigmatic figure. It’s evident he wants to usurp the GW and outer gods and help his sister. He may or may not use a little mind control/blood magic to do so XD

@@demonbasher23 I agree with Abraham and Kosomos on this. Even Malenia says her brother is the strongest demigod, and Gideon is afraid he'll wake up. Miquella reminds me of Griffith! It may end up being that what Mohg has done to him is what pushes Miquella all the way to "mad god," but it's his ability to bewitch and inspire devotion that makes him the most dangerous! Have you ever seen what happens to a butterfly when its cocoon is cut open? If it survives, it's a pathetic, flightless thing. Imagine that happening to a god.

@@rocki_bb there's just too many instances of him doing good. Compared to evil imo. Granted Melania does say he's the most fearsome emperyean of all. However His core goals aren't evil so I cannot label him as such, writing a pray for godwyn and creating the sword for godwyn. Essentially making a home for the forlorn. And by what gowry says about the needle he created, along the lines of "understands the true essence of life, a true craftsmen", inspiring loyalty and devotion isn't inherently evil either. I haven't actually watched berserk so I'm not too sure of the connections between miquella and Griffiths.

Nah because we are told by Roger that Godwyn's death was the first time ever recorded in history that a Demi God or God died

@@spartanaman44 That is impossible because the rune of death was once part of the Elden Ring. What Rogier meant was no demigod died after the rune of death was removed. Keep in mind the timeline of the game is incredibly stretched out, the rune of death was removed from the Elden Rings ages before the time of the game and before that there was an equally long period of time from the period before the Elden Beast arrived in the Lands Between and spread the order of the Greater Will and the moment Marika removed the rune of death from the Elden Ring. This means that most likely either there are no accounts of the most ancient periods at all or Rogier is possibly not aware of the older events anyway.

Indeed ranni and godwyn were the first, there are multiple references to many dying during the night of knife. And the soulless demigods are called children of marika. Additionally the mausoleum knights followed their masters in death and all use golden order gear, the only difference is their banner, like how every army has a different crest. There a lot of other things that show that they died during/after the night of knife. It's one of more clear cut things in the lore.

@@Kosmos_er What is the source for other demigods dying during the night of the Black Knives? Marika and the Golden Order have been a thing for a very long time. They were already a thing before she removed the rune of death from the Elden Ring. Yes, the soulless demigods of the mausoleums are Marika's offspring but that doesn't say anything about the moment of their death, she's been around for eons.

Rogier and the intro cinematic narrator say godwyn was the first to die implying more did die. The story cinematic has ranni also say "the demigods began to fall and godwyn the golden was the first to die" again implying many died. The official website lore introduction to the game says "One grim night in the depths of winter, a flock of unknown assassins stole across the Lands Between. In a coetaneous attack, this foul covenant snuffed out the lives of many of the God-Queen’s kin throughout the empire, too numerous and too scattered for her godly protection to save."

Yeah it's possible to see it that way (and i did at some point, but it didn't lead anywhere). But i think the mausoleums shows that they at the very least did raid elphael.

@@Kosmos_er Its not just possible, its hard to see it any other way had they been imprisoned there at the least the Albanaurics would be trying to take shots at the Black Knife Assassins as they attack you but they don't because they're definitely guarding the seal for Miquella with the Albanaurics . There's no real indication that all the Soulless Demigods were slain on the Night of Black Knives most seemed to have been killed in the ensuing chaos and fighting in the shattering. I think the implications of the Black Knife Assassins guarding the seal in Ordinia are pretty clear either one faction of Black Knife Assassins sided with Miquella sometime after the Night of Black Knives or and I do believe this the most like scenario: The Black Knife Assassins were working for Miquella the entire time and the Night of Black Knives was his doing. Think about it, we know that Miquella became disillusioned with the Golden Order before the Night of Black knives and the shattering, and wanted to establish his own order that means the Golden Order had to go down first. Miquella knew better than anyone his father Radagon would not suffer a rival to the Golden Order so he set into motion a plan to bring down the Golden Order and with his powers of persuasion and the Black Knife Assassins being scions on the eternal cities, had a pretty deep and longstanding grudge against Marika,Golden Order, and the Greater will would be petty onboard with backing Miquella as their lord of Night after an age of failures and defeat. I think Miquella even got the Black Knife Assassins to rope Ranni into the conspiracy under false pretenses with the Black Knife Assassins letting her believe that Radahn would be the target not Godwyn. Thus with Godwyn Slain in Radahn's place Ranni's fate remained suspended and she was effectively eliminated as Rival to Miquella as she was the only Empyrean that could/can replace Marika that was not loyal to him. That also explains why shortly after the Night of Black Knives Ranni locked up the leader of the Black Knife, Alecto in the Evergaol on the Moonlight alter and why the Black Knife Assassins attack Blaidd at Ranni's Rise in an effort to get to Ranni then slay Iji only after Ranni has successfully slain her 2 fingers and is finally in a position again to replace Marika. I think Miquella public mourning of Godwyn was all a ruse to deflect suspicion and even gather more followers and support. I don't believe Miquella is benevolent as he made himself to seem. I think he's really a Griffith from Berserk-esque figure between having a Woman as a sworn sword, an uncanny ability to inspire adoration/loyalty, his connection to an eclipse, being cocoon surrounded by blood as he under goes a metamorphisis, even having a creepy older man obsessed with him trying have his way with him all lines up with Griffith.

sheeeeeesh!

Sorry for the delay, subtitles are done. I'll try to have them on all future videos.

@@Kosmos_er thank you very much!!!

There’s multiple connections between the two. Their Lilly’s look remarkably similar, Some of the item description, some cut content, however there’s nothing concrete to say they’re the same person.

Cut content said they were the same person

Cut content/datamining and what's left of their connection (like the lily items, both of them being attributed to the same person would make sense with this knowledge in mind) in the game is the reason.