THE END OF SLAANESH IN 40K? | Warhammer 40,000 Lore/Discussion 

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"Presenting temptation as a bad thing is a problem." - Big company tempting me to buy little plastic toys

Imagine killing off a chaos god before emperors children get new models

Former heroin and meth addict here (6 years clean), those self-indulgent desires always start so small and so slow, until before you know it, you're doing things you NEVER thought you'd ever do. When people see people banging drugs on the street, they always imagine that they'd never ever do such a thing. But the real horror is that most of those same people saw and said the same thing. I know i did. But there comes a point where the satisfaction of the high is all you have left, you lose everything else.

Imagine wanting to sideline this character in an age of hedonism and self pleasure the likes of which Caligula could only dream of. F'ing clown world.

"The wider audience": the bane of franchises.

The only thing keeping Slaanesh from GW's Wrath is GW's even bigger wrath against allowing non-human characters to do anything majorly plot relevent.

"We train young men to drop fire on people but their commanders won't allow them to write Fuck you on their airplanes because it's obscene" A level of ironic madness a dark eldar could appreciate.

Listening to this, I'm reminded of that scene where Veck is psychologically torturing a prisoner by refusing to finishing his story with this man and the man starts to panic because of this due to the fact that this story might explain why he's in this situation and Veck is titilated by the fact that this man will never know ending as he's tortured forevermore. It's one of my favorite examples of the Dark Eldar emulating Slannesh in most vile and twisted ways that doesn't involve rape or sex or whatever. Veck is literally getting off to the fact that he knows and his victim doesn't. It's a wonderful example, imo.

Ah…so Tzeentch taught Luetin how to summon the whole Eldar fanbase

>people talking about how slaanesh is too NSFW >Nurgle showing constent grotesque imagery of maggots, gore, and vomit inducing infections I think modern media has far more hormy demons than anything even resembling something nurgle would show. Sure, weve seen zombies but, nurgle would make modern zombies grimace because hes so much more than walking dead people.

There's nothing wrong with Slasnesh in the 40k lore. The problem is our own world.

Slannesh tracks with its "real life" equivalent Dionysus pretty well. On the surface, Dionysus is the "wine and party" god, but that is only a trap to ensnare mortals. Dionysus is the god of addiction and the moral degradation of the self. Hedonism is originally the fringe benefit, but becomes the whole focus of a person's life, at the expense of yourself and others. Dionysus is the personification of alcoholism and self degradation, and the decay that comes with all of that. Dionysus was forced into the Greek pantheon by pleasure cults that sprang up around the introduction of wine.

I'm reminded of a Slaaneshmas comic that I read around December of last year. The Prince of Pleasure was handing out cookies to human children. Indescribably delicious cookies. The kind that you would happily murder your parents or your whole hab-block just to have one... more... taste... Slaanesh is truly the god of addiction.

TLDW: WH40k is a big brand, big brands stay away from controversial subject matter, therefore Slaanesh is too risky to truly explore.

Most of us could easily fall to Slaanesh. Everyone thinks they'd be Tzeentch or Khorne, but Slaanesh would claim most of us. Most disturbing, interesting and grimdark chaos "god".

One of the aspects of Slaanesh I feel is most under explored is how empathy can lead to heightened sensory experience. The more you can feel towards others, the more outward your experience is of the reactions and emotions of others. A psychopathic sadist, in a way, has more limits as to what they can feel and what they can think of to do with 'sensory experience'. To want others, is to want more beyond your singular experiential point. To be sadistically empathic is to wish for the feelings of others to be a certain way. And therefore it is an honest desire for harmony and empathy that can cause this decent into the warp as well, through Slaanesh. You lament often in this video about how Slaanesh isn't a chaos god of war, but it is through this avenue that I think 40k can expand on it, and who better to do it through but the Tau with their 'synchronizing' helmets. The Tau are often seen as 'too positive' for 40k and while I think this makes them a much needed light to shine more shadows into the narrative, I think there is some potential here as they ARE the optimistic, empathetic, harmony loving empire. Contrast them with the hivemind like Tyranids and I think you could get a very interesting grimdark battle filled story with many metaphors and explorations of this chaos god.

People forget that Slaanesh's domain is six of the seven deadly sins. They forget he encompasses desire in so many aspects. He is subtlety, the slow fall. Yet people just see the character as silly daemon god big booby waifu.

I got here so fast slanesh hasn't spawned in yet

53:40 Explicit extreme violence being okay but sex/nudity being not okay is NOT a global human phenomenon. It's very much an American (Anglo-saxon?) obsession, as one is put to the extreme, while the other is censored into oblivion. Splatter and body gore in one horror movie scene and then afraid to show a single bare nipple in the next never fails to make me chuckle.

I absolutely love the Luetin videos that go go from WH40k lore (past and present references) -> modern day issues and shenanigans -> pop culture references -> philosophical theorising -> mentioning of other WH40k youtuber (mostly Bricky ❤😂) and then circiling back to the future of the WH40k lore and culture. Please keep making these fantastic videos no matter how long they take and how long they become in the end. PS: I still heard Dark Origins Part 5 mentioned in the video 😆My absolute favourite series on the channel and looking forward to the day when Part 5 is released ☺

My wife and i often refer to "feeding slaanesh" when were getting hung up trying to make something perfect

As an alcoholic (not using), Slaanesh freaks me out far more than any other Chaos God. The fall of Fulgrim is a sad tale that parallels the fates of many I've known, minus the Demon Prince stuff. Excess is extremely tempting for some in a lethal amount of desire.

the greatest trick Slannesh ever pulled was convincing the Warhammer universe he had been destroyed

Perhaps that’s why Vashtor has been introduced, he’d be a more commercially safe 4th Chaos God

OG noise marines were painted that way as lore said they were so far gone and had immersed themselves in chasing higher highs for all their senses, that only the most garish and jarring colours would even register to them. Source: Realm of Chaos book, Slaves to Darkness. Now that was some good slaaneshi lore. ♥️

My favourite thing to say in casual convo on slaanesh to rebut the "sex drugs and rock n roll god" is pointing out that cannibalism falls entirely under slaanesh. Its not explicitly violent and theres no war in it, so its not khorne. It doesnt pertain to seeking knowledge or change, so its not tzeentch. Its not stagnation or entropy, so its not nurgle. Only slaanesh could there be cannibalism for the sake of cannibalism.

One of the best examples of an interpretation of Slaanesh's influences comes from a comic bud I watched. It's cutesy appearance belies the true horror about to unfold after the stories end. Slaanesh gathers children in poverty, giving them food and toys, telling them "Merry Slaaneshmas" and encouraging them to enjoy. But as the story goes on we see the "toys" as actual weapons and the food as drugged. Then Slaanesh themselves revealing the truth that what comes after is the real celebration. One can only imagine the chaos as children bring ruin to the world around them, incapable of understanding anything beyond the happiness and merriment their experiencing. A mind incapable of understanding anything else. And I believe that's where Slaanesh's true strength and difficulty to interpret: the complete disconnect. Cause in an existence where everything is constant war and suffering it's all too easy to give up and focus on indulging. Cause when you have nothing else it's hard not to make that your only reason for being.

I'd like to see new Chaos gods crop up like a god of fear, suffering & terror. Oh wait, that's the Emperor.

There is an episode of Stargate that has the SG-1 gang get interfaced with an AI that enhances their bodies to the point where they start to basically let all their intrusive thoughts win. Starts with them enjoying their lunch and ends with them trying to shock themselves with defibrillator. The AI craves new experiences and also gives them the ability to survive some of these experiences. Most of the people I know have seen this show and this episode so I just tell them Urgo is how Slaanesh starts, Hellraser is how it goes, and Lovecraft is how it scales up.

You could do a grinch style story involving a slaanesh aligned chaos warband who are bored of the usual chaos stuff and in seeking a new experience decide to that it would be fun to save an imperial. So you’ve got these garish disfigured chaos space marines role playing as noble loyalists even shouting out loyalist one liners. at the end after being heralded as the emperors angels and model space marines their reminded of the day they were granted the emperors Aquila and the pride they felt being called the emperor’s children. The only thing that ever came close to that day was the look on their former allies and brothers faces during the drop site massacre. So feeling nostalgic and hoping to recapture that look of terror and disbelief they decide to torch the planet they saved.

As a recovering addict I can say there is pain in wanting so without ever getting enough, exstacy in glimpses and bits that are short moments of relief in the torment you feel. Don't hate the addict, they already do that enough by themselves..

I hope not. I find Slaanesh the most interesting of Chaos despite their infancy. I'm also very biased as I love the Emperor's Children and Fulgrim.

I'll be listening to this from start to finish, but I can pick up where this is going; Slaanesh is my favorite chaos god, not because of the "uwu sexytime" that people have attached to them, but because their "gift" and how they work is terrifying. Excess in things that give you pleasure. It can be anything. Making money? Get a job. Not enough. Build a company. Not enough. Build multiple companies. Not enough. Rob someone. Not enough. Start *redacted* people to take their money. Not enough. More more more. Even if the whole world has to go down, you still want MORE. Characters are pushed to further and further extremes to feel a better pleasure about the things they enjoy or are obsessed about, and they'll go to any ends in order to get it so it's just an eternal snowball speeding downhill, picking up all of the worst and most gruesome of things in order to get there, and if they have to destroy themselves to get that pleasure they'll happily do it because they're so insanely obsessed with that feeling. It can start as small and insignificant and maybe even feel and seem happy....but before you know it you're driven into performing the most gut wrenching, heinous, acts in order to chase a deeper pleasure. Excess in the most extremes. Excess to the point of being truly terrifying. Of COURSE it will be hard to stay with that and show it and tell stories about it with a wide audience who doesn't understand or refuses to accept that this is fiction....but horrific evil in stories is what makes "bad guys" good and multi-dimensional instead of flat and boring. I wish people, creators, etc. would stop losing sight of that.

I think one of the most potent scenes you could ever write for the old She What Thirsts is this beautiful scene of flowers and fields, forests trees, fireflies, couples dancing, laughter and music, plentiful wholesome food on banquet tables, cheers and rounds of drinks. Just detail all of this and then FOOKIN SMASH CUT to a bunch of cultists and noise marines basically doing the worst shit imaginable (or give it a stylized silhouette to let the implications build). Because that's how I think your average cultist of the old Prince 'O Pleasure sees the world in service to their patron god. Reality is so... crude when compared to the pleasures of the youngest of the four. In fact I think three out of the four gods basically function entirely on this concept of altered reality (well considering they're literally altered reality this makes since). Only Brass and Blood Daddy is willing to show you what all of existence is supposed to be and you better fuckin' like it or else.

I had a similar problem when trying to make Slaanesh chaos knights, Khorne is easy, nurgle equally so. But I essentially concluded that Slaanesh was (and this is very much head cannon) - A twisted sense of "Regality" appearing as the most beautiful and extreme thing in the room, being the most eye catching - An addiction to chasing the dragon, one upping yourself each time - To increase the overall amount of extreme experience in the galaxy - "Idol worship" seeing a sense of righteousness in pushing the limits of ability or understanding in a particular obsession (lucious in sword mastery, fabius bile in weird experiements) Some other great examples are the description of human beings first experiencing the laer temple for the first time in Fulgrim The way people describe being touched by Witchers in the witcher book series, perfect way of incorporating sensation into the lore without pissing off James Workshop in a way that would fit Slaanesh

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In a galaxy filled with death & war...heaven forbid there be a sexy crab daemon god rizzing everyone up!

As a sisters collector, (1st army almost at 1k points) i think slaanesh is important to my faction as the only one of the chaos gods a sister has fallen to, i think its one of the more interesting C gods

The problem with depicting She who thirst in current time is that it will it WAY too close to home to people who will go thru a mental breakdown when they realise they are the villains.

"You won't get me, Slaanesh!" *Proceeds to crawl away slowly... glancing over my shoulder to make sure he/she/it is chasing me*

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Really enjoy the "Uncomfortable Problem" in his section. Great dialogue about 'spicy' content and the almost backwards hidden crusade against it. Well done Luetin.

Cegorach vs Slaneesh with the laughing god getting the last laugh to save his people is the most poetic end. I could see the Khan and the yellow king's pocket dimension have ties Cegorach.

In the book "Never Let You Go", there's a scene where the young-teenage protagonist is singing whilst holding a pillow and dreaming that it's a baby of her own. A "teacher" walks in and is frozen in pure horror - not for invading this private moment, but because she knows there-and-then that the humanity of this moment will be stripped from her as the society has already planned to take her organs. She will never know her own children, she will never have what many might even call a "mundane" future to look forwards to, she is but a thing. Luetin is right - you can express profound emotion even in the most trivial of scenes.

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Slaanesh is just the most obvious obstacle to mainstream adoption. The real problem is that grimdark settings are almost by definition not "family friendly". This is also the problem I think the Cavill show has: any cleaned up mainstream adaptation would be dismissed as "not 40k" by the existing fanbase, while also being "just another setting" for people who are not already fans.

If Slaanesh goes, I go. I say this as a Thousand Sons player. That's a line in the sand for me.

she who thirsts has seized the black library. the prince of pleasure has taken the golden throne. they will swallow it all.

Next up: will the Dark Eldar get sanitized?

For literally all the reasons you suggested, I've like speculated that Games Workshop is looking for a way to kill off Slaanesh and replace them with another chaos god (i.e. Vashtorr). Maybe leave trace amounts of influence, but Slaanesh is already one of the least thematically represented gods anyway exactly because of how difficult it would be in a way that wouldn't just create needless controversy, even if you don't go the lewdapocalypse route. A lot of people also suspect some kind of endtimes events like in fantasy warhammer that transitions the universe into a different state and many thought the splitting of the imperium would be that, but hey maybe it will be, with a literal light vs dark imperium now eternally fighting each other. One backed by an empowered Emperor and his reawoken/returned primarchs and the others empowered by Bile's new humans, the dark mechanicus, and Vashtorr's addition to the chaos Pantheon to replace Slaanesh. This would also allow the eldar to have a second wind and refresh as a faction too as some of their former power returns, maybe do something with infinity circuit souls being reborn into like super eldar of some kind or something.

Slaanesh always made me think of Clive Barker as you said - Slaanesh being an analog of Leviathan. It was the mid and late 1980s and Hellraiser was big in horror, with body horror being somewhat king in cinema with not only Barker., but David Cronenberg making some of his best films at the time. Also a scattering of other 1980s era films such as Altered States and Jacob's Ladder ending with The Silence of the Lambs in the early 90s. ( I could imagine Slaanesh being as persuasive as Dr Lechter and in the book trilogy what he did to Clarise Starling would very much be Slaanesh in transforming her into a demon of sorts.) The cenobites describes describe themselves as explorers in the greater realms of pleasure and angels to some and demons to others. Cronenberg is very body horror with sexual pleasure all throughout and his anti-heroes becoming bigger, stronger etc through their horrific changes and not wanting to go back. Unlike the films, in the Hellbound Heart, Frank is overwhelmed not by sex as he imagined, but through his senses being turned up to extreme levels - tasting small morsels of food that become nightmarishly strong, feeling molecules of air hit is skin, hearing tens of millions of voices - simple experiences turned up to extrarodinary levels. And indeed they do become addicted to it and transformed much as Frank was. Accessing the area by opening "gates to the warp" so to speak through. "It is not hands that call us, but desire." A lot of parallels.

"The flame that burns twice as bright, burns half as long." -- Lao Tzu

Let's hope it's not the end of Slaanesh in 40k, there's little left beyond it.

Surprised you didn't mention the HH novel Fulgrim. I realise it's mostly concerned with astartes, but a large chunk of the story is given over to the remembrancers descent into depravity.

The goal of hedonism is freedom. Freedom from constraint. May start wholesome and just enough, freedom from hunger as a hive worker, some minor pleasure in their mundane life. Then it can be freedom from morality as the person does whatever to survive and gain what they want. Freedom from death, freedom from shame. They might even see it as an enlightened state. They have seen pass the norms, the consensus they tell themselves. In case of Fulgrim he gained it all, an immortal prince free from everything, in control of his daemon world, Reality his plaything but its never enough, it will never be enough and everything suffers around him. So can someone who seeks freedom in a search of heaven find themselves forever trapped in hell. The enlightened becoming base and unfulfilled. This angle to slaanesh i think is under utilized. The horror of slaanesh is not just the torture, the sex, the hedonism, but the journey of the character into that state and how their desire for freedom led them to a pathetic existence of endless hedonism. .

Thank you for explaining my exact thoughts on Slaanesh in far better constructed detail than I ever could. I would love a novel detailing the darkest reaches of who I consider the most terrifying entity in all of 40k

I firmly believe that Slaanesh won't be sidelined. They had the perfect opportunity to start the process with It being sent to horny jail in AoS, but signs are pointing towards It escaping. I know they're technically separate settings, but I believe GW would use AoS to test the waters if they planned for this sort of change. Also, I can see plenty of ways to keep the horror of Slaaneshi worship without being distasteful, even if it's just as simple as keeping the worst off-screen and letting imagination do the rest (a pretty classic horror technique).

For anyone interested in some damn good slaanesh audio dramas I can't recommend A Vox in the Void enough. His videos focusing on a wayward noise marine are superb

This is why I rate you above all the other 40k creators. Your explorations and expansions on how things are perceived always gives me a better perspective with which to view subjects and narratives within the setting. Your content always manages to expand my view in new ways that I deeply appreciate.

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Vox in the Void has a great story about Kharn and the world eaters attacking a Slaanesh daemon world, definitely recommend it if you want a more nuanced portrayal

I always viewed horror of Slaanesh's temptations as offering: freedom from inhibition, relief of choice, the disregard for discipline. Indulge, indulge, indulge until your soul cannot sustain its original form. The unrestrained behaviour is euphoric right up until the consequential backlash from which there is no longer a path of recovery or redemption, only more indulgence and suffering.

I think because Slaanesh is a part of us we're afraid to look into, what we might find. Mindless violence? Just blame Khorne... Decay and death? Again, blame Nurgle... But the pleasure in other's suffering and god knows all the rest? That already hits a little close to home. We can see this in a society that expects you wanting more, finding the next thing to fill an empty void, making you feel good, excess etc etc. God only knows what lurks in the minds of people who have done everything and want the next thing, and that's without the imaginary fuel from a setting such as 40k.

You know... Having read or listened to I dunno, 300 novels, short stories, audio dramas etc... I don't remember a single sex scene in 40k that was anywhere near as explicit as the rather tame sex scenes in the Dune books... GW/BL are clearly terrified of getting the Bad Sex award...

The Fourth Kind really messed me up. Hit sorta close to home as at the time I would often have weird sleep disturbances that I later learned was seizure activity. The idea of the Filthy Xenos being right up there with the Primordial Annhilator as biggest enemies of mankind is, I think, Is right on the money. The movie Fire in the Sky gives me the creeps as well. The scene when he wakes up on an alien ship, in a completely incomprehensible setting and situation (zero g) is not what I would call a fun experience. I always think of the pair of eye glssses floating there, sans owner…that always gets me.

I love that you used Idiot of the East's Slaanesh drawing, his comics are hilarious and I do love that rendition of her.

I heard in 2024 Slanesh came to Earth. He just happened to come to Eurovision, took notes and left inspired.

Being ok with extreme violence and being very prude about sexuality is a very American problem.

Fact that we are anticipating the Grimdark 40K being diluted into a kind of PG Family friendly star wars with power armour means we truly live in the most cursed timeline...::/

I'm so glad that my favourite 40k Lore creator too prefers the human perspective and experience in 40k over the space marine one.

Slaanesh has easily been the greatest beneficiary of AOS of the 4 gods. Between the twins, more units based on other sins like gluttony or envy, and his role as a ticking time bomb waiting to escape his prison ready to destroy the elves.

It is a shame that a lot of franchise dilute into safer material in order to chase the casual market profit. It seems like a lot of these companies don’t believe that there’s an audience smart enough to make profit off of? Maybe it’s just based on laziness on the companies, part, like a drawing with very little detail and shading but still can be recognizable. Either way it makes me personally sad in the grand scheme of things.

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The idea of excess is so easily applicable. Even the most innocent thing like the soft and gentle touch of another human being. The sensation of experiencing the bare minimum of physical contact. A handshake. A handshake is great. Every hand feels different. A new thrill every time. A new powerful sensation with every new hand. A ever enlarging consciousness of how scars, the hand size, the muscles or the number of remaining fingers change the experience. Feeling how the blood pulsates through the hand you are more vigurously shaking with every other human you encounter. Soon, you encounter a special hand. It feels so unique. You got to have it in your possession either way. But this feeling wont go away. This one hand with the other useless parts still attached cant quench your thirst. You need more. These hands need to be compared. Their mysteries unraveled. Their existence enhanced. The collection needs more examples. The information needs to be experienced and modified, Improved. Old hands, poor hands and rich ones, young hands, broken hands, strong hands and weak ones, infected hands, stumps, skinned hands, crushed hands, the hands of hated ones and loved ones. You gotta shake them all. Own them all. Enhance them all. Collect them all for the experience. Every single last drop of it. An exhibition consisting of thousand upon thousands unimportant individuals and their precious hands solely dedicated to the excessive experience of greeting another human being by shaking their hand. You are, the handshaker.

29:05 "Slaneesh is true horror", followed by her anime profile picture. Yup, agreed

Slaanesh is too problematic to be grimdark… I wish we didn’t have to keep changing things to make people who never cared about it to begin with happy.

The idea is to make 40k more and more marketable and consumed by the general public. "Grimdark" is being filtered out to just be a general power fantasy sci-fi

Well Slanessh is so much more terrifying and also easier to depict actually. It is excess. Like a planetary gov who addicted of tobac wants to get even better product, or a priest being too much devoted to the Emps leading a Slaneshi corruption, or a kasarkin captain being too pridefull of doing their duties, or a manifactorum worker having way to enjoyment producing ammo for the guard. It can be the most subtle or the most obvious things. But when depicting it they go all for s.x sells and then act like they are the victims of public media. Yes it is also a part of it, no it doesnt needs to be that much s.x gore. Actually almost everything in Imperium lies in the domain of Slanesh and Tzeench, like Inqusition can/(head canon) is a breeding ground of Slanesh and Tzeench corruption.Thats perhaps why we dont get to see legendary Inqusitors kept alive with gene therapies and etc. If they depict Slaneesh and its corruption as what it is and what it can be then there wouldnt be any reason for GW so stay away from Slanesh content.

Slaanesh is already much more 'family friendly' than it was back in Slaves to Darkness in the late 1980s. That book had plenty of boobs etc and I was lapping up the naughtiness but mostly the general, shocking horror of it all as a 14 year old.

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I wouldn't mind the Ynnari's big plan succeeding but only half-way: the Eldar souls are freed, but Slaanesh isn't killed or sealed away. I'd like there to be more focus on Slaanesh, more depth, but I will always have Eldar, and just Xenos in general, ahead of everything else in terms of enjoyment and what I want to see more of. My knife ears need a win for once

Slaanesh suffers from 40K being sanitized for "modern audiences." It is the ongoing death of 40K as creative art in its own right and rebirth as a fully corporate commodity. In 1988, Slaanesh was introduced as the "Lord of Pleasure," an entity "dedicated to the pursuit of hedonistic pleasures and the overthrow of all codes of decent behaviour." Rather than being treated as a threat that would consume your soul, we were told that his "favoured followers litter the floors [of his palace], indulging themselves in all forms of perverse pleasures of the flesh." Slaanesh is presented as hermaphroditic with "male on the left side and female on the right," and his symbol "combines the conventional symbols for male and female." Worship of Slaanesh "takes the form of great orgies involving every vice and perversity," and all are welcome in his cults with the "only requirements [being] an unswerving dedication to the pursuit of pleasure and a willingness to explore every possible vice and perversion to this end... regardless of any conventional codes of decent behaviour or any law." Slaaneshi cultists actually had access to a spell called "Beam of Slaanesh" where a rainbow would shoot out of their fingertips and send their victims into a debilitatingly "blissful, euphoric state." Hedonistic pleasures, overthrowing decent behaviour, perverse pleasures of the flesh, orgies, perversity, pursuit of pleasure, perversion... all of these were used on a single page to introduce Slaanesh. But society's general views of such things are very different today from those in 1988, and you simply cannot have a hermaphroditic Lord of Pleasure worshipped by perverts in hedonistic orgies who shoot rainbows at their enemies. This is why Slaanesh must become a generic god of gluttony. He cannot highlight any particular act as evil or sinful lest someone be offended, but "excess" is safe. The sin is in the excess, not the act itself, and, thankfully, it is highly subjective whether or not you do something "too much." Slaanesh instantly becomes a safe monster where the intended consumer can separate their real-world actions from any implied judgement from the material-"I may do that too, but I don't do it excessively."

I agree fiction has to be explicit with the sordid details of its setting. I am so tired of pretensions critics who think it is masterful writing to be vague and implicate bad things happening rather than be explicit. Many berserk panels still give me nightmares. You absolutely must show and tell the reader in excruciating detail the level of horror and depravity that is occurring. Something horrible has happened can either be an orgy of torture or your shopping bag ripping open and spilling out all your food.

It's crazy that morality breaks down all over the world, but a mans tabletop game has to dial it back at the same time.

SLAANESH lore really have me feeling like a real addict they say should be feeling high but ,,,,,

George carlin bit about soft language is really relevant here

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they just did the same thing to Slaanesh in 40k that they did in AoS: lock it the fuck away so you can focus on it less. Which is funny because AoS has an entire playable army for Slaanesh, whereas 40k does not.

Unfortunately, this is the one thing I feel will probably happen due to Amazon's intervention. I don't like it, but unfortunately, Slanessh is something the general audience would complain about. I do hope the fourth chaos faction isn't removed, but removing the grim-dark from the far future is certainly something that the corpos running the show would do to drive engagement and sales.

I have always said Slaanesh is possibly the strongest Chaos God. The god of “EXCESS”, all things to excess. Not just torture and sexy time, but also the more esoteric ideas. The Khornite warrior that reveals not just in slaughter and blood, but his own ability for it. The Nurgle worshiper, feeling the pleasure of the plagues she spreads, or a sorcerer who basques in the complex scheming of his plots. Those acts of excess are what draws the attention of She Who Thirsts. But over all yes. I do agree that Slaanesh is more or less the idea of how subtle corruption can start.

This really gets to the heart of why I find the meme of Slannesh so exhausting. I'm a staunch Guard loyalist, but if I had to pick a Chaos God, it's Slannesh, simply for the variety that their domain provides. I loved how in Owlcat's Rogue Trader, there's a book you can find in Vyatt's secret chambers detailing the obligation of nobility to cannibalize their subjects and to savor the experience. How Vyatt's fall is itself motivated by the desire to perfect Janus and serve impeccably. It's a little taste of what the full breadth of a "Slannesh POV" looks like for normal people. And the reaction of outsiders is fear and confusion. The Rebels don't know what is going on, they just know that they get sprayed in mutagenic chemicals, and people get taken into the palace and never seen again, and that the planet itself seems to be reacting to whatever horrors they're barely sensing. The fact they're being puppeted by the Eldar really doesn't matter much. They couldn't give a name other than Vyatt to their terror, but the saw the tiniest sliver of what that terror was, and knew to fear and lash out against it.

This is one of your best videos, Luetin. Your remarks are well thought out, thought provoking, and entertaining. Thank you for digging into these facets of 40k.

Lunch break plans made! Looking forward to the lore!

Earliest I've been here for a video. As always, thank you for the excellent lore videos and for the Luetin Sleep Club 👏

15:47 just watched it again a few days ago and it's literally why I'm here. I want cenobite living cathedral drug infused Bane Marines reboot!

I started listening and fell asleep, then woke up to terrifying screaming. That actually scared me horribly

I think there is real potential for an organic decline of Slaanesh. She is the goddess of excess and I think hedonism is a very closely linked concept to excess. As we all know, hedonism is not productive, it sacrifices the future for the present and that makes it a notable flaw. Slaanesh might have that flaw built into her by design, somewhat akin to a drug addict that is still functional, yet slowly but surely sees her life derailing. Slaanesh's very essence just seems to be somewhat opposed to focused, ambitious, productive behaviour. It could very well be that she's hedonistically living on borrowed time, from past achievements, peaking at the fall of the eldar, but slowly declining from there. Meanwhile the other gods are as steady and focused as ever, leading to them increasingly outcompeting her in then great game. Maybe there is a breaking point and it's closer than we think. With Slaanesh being as relatively young as she is, her longevity certainly isn't as sure as that of the other gods anyway. It could very well be that her existance, on a cosmic scale, is just a slight fizzle.

OMG... I'm lying in a hospital bed recovering from a hip operation thinking, God I really hope Luetin drops a new video so I can just relax and block everything out. And then boom...there you are. Your definitely my apothecary of choice.

You are the best! I love listining to your detailed stories. Keep it up! :)

Haha, it starting to seem like yt knows when it's my time to go to bed as it puts up a luetin video. Thanks for giving me something to listen too as I spend the next hour or two trying to get to sleep.