THE EVOLUTION OF DOOM 3 

Just a few things I noticed in the video: the textures looked muddy because the graphical options are bugged on windows 10, they can be changed by editing the config.ini file in the game folder. The other thing is that the grabber in RoE can be used to grab small enemies too, which instakills them. This makes trites, forgotten ones and cherubs a non-threat.

I was always so disappointed that this engine was never used for something more System Shock-flavored. Would have been an easy sell for me.

Every time I replay this game, I love this game a little bit more. There is something so pure about it, everything from the aesthetic to the mind blowing sound design. So industrial. This is the kind of vibe Trent Reznor carries around in his head.

25:21 - That monitor John is using is beautiful!

underappreciated channel, been enjoying this series

I'm not much of a horror fan, but for some odd reason I've played through Doom 3 like 8 times. I'm glad Doom went the more cheesy sci-fi action route in recent years, but 3 has a certain look and feel to it that's so incredibly iconic. Also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who got Campbell and Kelly confused.

Nowadays Doom 3 has another solid point on playing it. It's probably one of the best VR first person shooters. Yes, you'll have to install mod to run it in VR (or install VR port if you have Oculus Quest) but it's no harder than loading custom WAD in ZDoom and it's definitely worth it. Playing Doom 3 in VR is completely different experience but it feels really good and wide customization allows player to set their game in the way they prefer. I adore ability to have flashlight in one hand and gun in another, and using my own body to turn around, being limited only by roomscale protection walls.

Minor thing, but that bloody tunnel you go through when teleporting still looks great and creepy

You younger players might not realize what a huge leap in technology DOOM 3 was back in the early 2000's. This was the game you bought a new pc for. Half Life 2 also. Doom 3 doesnt get enough credit for the audio. It really adds to the atmosphere and creeps you out.

My biggest problem with the BFG edition is that the muzzle flash don't illuminates the enviroment

5:40 Naaah, I disagree. Played the og version of Doom 3 for the first time recently (on veteran) and never ever used the pistol after getting the machine gun. Also there's not much need to save ammo as it literally never ends (if you look around that is). Even for basic zombies it's faster (and more satisfying) to just bonk their head twice with the flashlight. Speaking of weapons, that's also where Doom 3 has failed - all automatic weapons (machine gun, chain gun, plasma rifle) share the same exact function and you just end up always using the one that currently has the most ammo.

As a 'veteran' of the original (non-BFG Edition) of Doom 3, I actually like the BFG Edition more than the original version. Although the increase in level brightness, the increase in ammo, and the shoulder-mounted flashlight ruin the atmosphere and intensity that was originally intended, these changes allow you to play Doom 3 is a way that is much more similar to classic Doom, Doom 2016, and Doom Eternal. These changes to Doom 3 allow the game to be played in a much more fast-paced and aggressive manner. id Software basically took all of the aspects of the game that fans say make it feel like "not a good Doom game", and changed them so that it actually does feel like an actual, legit Doom game. In my opinion, anyways. With the original Doom 3, I would creepy through the levels slowly and with hesitation. Very tense. And I'd rely on cover and concealment to avoid damage more than mobility and speed. But in the BFG Edition, I can really blast through the levels and have tons of fun. Sprinting into battles, bunny-hopping all over the place as I fight through a crowd of demons, sprinting from enemy to enemy, blasting them all point-blank. Just going absolutely nuts. I rely more on mobility and speed, instead of cover and concealment - just like every other Doom game. I ask all people who hate the changes to BFG Edition to do something: Sometime in the future, fire up BFG Edition. But pretend like you're playing classic Doom or Doom 2016. Play it in the exact same way. I guarantee you will have a blast. And suddenly, Doom 3 won't feel so out of place in the Doom franchise. It will feel just like every other Doom game. Just pretend it's classic Doom when you play. Just give this a try. It's awesome.

The shotgun is absolutely terrible by default, but you can use the config file to change its base damage, pellet number, and how far each pellet travels at least in the original release.

Dude you are the most underrated channel I have ever seen

Id software: Releases Doom II Doom fans: split into 2 camps Id software: Releases Ultimate Doom Doom fans: split into 2 camps Id software: Releases Final Doom Doom fans: split into 2 camps Id software: Releases Doom 3 Doom fans: split into 2 camps Id software: Releases BFG edition Doom fans: split into 2 camps Id software: Releases Doom 2016 Doom fans: split into 2 camps Id software: Releases Doom Eternal Doom fans: split into 2 camps

Small correction: During the RoE final boss fight, over the course of the battle Maledict's appearance becomes more raggedy and beaten (especially on the wings) as damage to him brings him closer to defeat. Compare the footage at 16:14 to 16:52 for a comparison. He looks a lot less 'pristine' during that ending cutscene as well.

This is some of my favourite DOOM content, hope your channel blows up soon, love what you do

Doom 3 is perhaps my favorite Doom next to Doom 2. So when I first found the BFG edition I was super excited. I bought it right away and loaded it up only to find they ruined the entire flashlight mechanic. There are entire sections of the game designed around the concept of having to switch between the flashlight and the gun, thus ruining a good portion of the game straight out of the gate. That said, I can always go back and play Doom 3 on Steam so it's fine. I just wish I never wasted money on the bfg edition.

I loved DOOM 3 ….I can’t believe it is turning 20 next year

DOOM 3: BFG Edition was my introduction to this franchise! Imo, it could've been more dark and tense like the OG DOOM 3, but yeah other than that I loved it (and still love it, along with the Xbox 360 Ports of The Ultimate DOOM and DOOM II: Hell on Earth). It's not "the greatest," but it's still pretty awesome! Tysm for covering it!

I loved the game….maybe the biggest issue was the name …but I absolutely loved everything else played it so many times …dark atmospheric …jump scares …

They did mess up the original D3 campaign in BFG edition - some encounters were changed. I remember couple of commandos were swapped for imps and overall monster count went down. And I hated how PDA was redesigned. I also liked how you interacted with computers and panels. It was really immersive and having HUD, weapon indicators, and PDA in similar visual style did build upon it. In BFG edition they remade PDA for wider screens and it wasn't just designed differently - it had a different colour! Overall, I would recommend to play the original D3 and RoE with mods - far better experience.

Theres a lot of gripes about Doom 3 these days but I think a fair amount of those people that really bag on Doom 3 werent there when it first came out. That shit was awesome and would have been the best FPS of 2004 if Halo 2 hadnt released a month or so later

Great channel. I don’t even play Doom regularly but this stuff is too interesting to pass up.

I always loved doom 3. I think it was designed with a better grasp of the original aesthetic seen in doom and doom 2 than the games post 2016. When i played doom 1 and 2 as a kid i imagined it looking like doom 3

This game is underrated

Unpopular opinion: Doom 3 is better than Doom 2016. A solid horror shooter but pales in comparison to the first two.

Carmack said in an interview that doom 3 is what they wanted the original to be but due to technological limitations at the time it just wasn't possible so it became the run and gun shooter we love today.

“All hell breaks loose” I see what you did there 😂

Doom 3 Summarized in a couple of ideas on my mind: i LOVE Aliens i play doom as a kid on my SNES :**** thinking on the movie of james cameron. Years later i see a documentary or some sort of and id soft was thinking to do an aliens game instead of thier own idea, but later reconsider and blah blah ( I Know IT!!!!!!!!!) Later on 2004 I ABSOLUTELY LOVE DOOM 3 AT FIRST TIME. I remember playin on a P IV + ATIradeon 9800 XT in a friends house, a DREAM COME TRUE. :)

BTW I'd love it if you did a full retrospective series on the FEAR franchise :D

Great video, but one small correction - the game does not "force" you to use the flashlight. It's entirely optional, and I am sure the game can be beaten without using the flashlight even once. It's more of a convenience feature than a necessity.

Trinston was here . ..

Game is peak in VR. both on Steam and Standalone on the Quest, but on Quest it's even more impressive knowing you're not on a PC

Super underrated Chanel my man! Excellent analysis and material!

9:25 The floating tiles in Hell have one of two symbols each on them. One symbol spawns Lost Souls when stepped on and the other does not. Simple, really.

5:39 zombie man has some moves

The grabber gun is good because for some reason the enemy projectiles deal so much damage to the enemies

Wait, Sarge and Kelly aren't the same person!?

My new favorite Doom/FPS related channel! Subbed.

7:15 yeah because the cherubs certainly weren’t annoying at all...lol

DOOM 3 is a masterpiece of SF horror. The BFG edition is heresy.

Man, i'm so happy i found your channel thanks to this video! I became a big fan of Doom 3, but i'll be honest i wasn't fond of it when it came out. I couldn't play it on PC, the requirements were too high for my poor ass GeForce 2 build and i've listened too much to others claiming "it ain't the same as the old ones". Maybe it's for the best because when i finally played it i loved the idea behind this entry in the series. Sadly i'm forced to play the BFG edition on consoles, i would rather play with the original flashlight mechanic - it makes all firefights look and plwy better!

I'm also a pretty solid fan of doom 3, they played the original formula out kindof so it's natural they went this way. It's a great game in its own right, but also a decent doom game. And it still looks gorgeous, even today with it's shadow and lighting. However this came out I was like 13 so it was a big deal for me and is a great memory asking my dad to upgrade or card so I could play it

Another problem with the BFG edition is this glitch that let's you partially see through the wall.

I played Doom3 on Xbox. It was great. Really long, but great game.

As I recall in early 2000's Id was working with Microsoft and there were plans on the next Quake game. Even Trent Reznor should have been making a soundtrack and in 2002 he released unofficial demo-like album, which was called "Quake IV unofficial soundtrack" with some unique tracks! But unfortunately for some reason game was scrapped. My point is, if you keep that fact in mind, you will clearly see some echoes of Quake in Doom 3. If you look at the concept artworks, you will see a lot of eldritch lovecraftian tentacled monsters along with techno-themed, cybernetically enhanced foes. It feels like Id were planning to merge Quake 1 and Quake 2 themes in one. A gameplay itself, with limited amount of monsters, levels with objectives and missions feel more Quake-ish rather than Doom-ish. The usage of artifacts to beat the powerful boss somewhat feels like a tribute to Runes in Quake 1. The monsters don't look like stereotypical demons(although these designs were scrapped during Doom 3 development), but instead like something would fit in the Quake game. I mean, look at the hell knight - he is giant pale eyeless humanoid with huge bloody mouth - exactly like a Shambler! Vagary - spiderlike fiend who throws spiky projectiles at you - sounds like a Shalrath from Quake.

For the BFG Edition turning down the brightness to the lowest setting possible does help a bit

Traumatic Monsters with pipes in their bodies and places with massive cables. That's what made the game creepy

action-horror is about riding the line between empowerment and disempowerment, a sort of cyclical dance that ebs and flows. Most modern action horror games employ this dynamic in their tone and pacing, which doom 3 lays the groundwork for. Most modern action-horror games do not, however, employ this philosophy as thoroughly into their game design as Doom 3 did. Every mechanic which empowers the player is designed to be short lived and yet endlessly repeatable, from simpler, obvious elements like the limited sprint meter and the necessity of reloading weapons, up to more complicated inclusions like the separation of weaponry and the flashlight. You're meant to oscillate in Doom 3 between fear and badassery, and the mechanics force you to play that way as well. It stays consistent because both of these things (fear and badassery - horror and action) serve to put pressure on the player, to amp them up and fill them with adrenaline. It's intimate and visceral.

Played it 2005 in the OG Xbox together with the Port of Doom and Doom 2... Still have that awesome Collectors Edition!🤘

The BFG Edition also nerfs lighting engine and physics as well. In the original dead bodies would interact with each other (dead bodies could stack) and also projectiles like the Plasma gun no longer cast light on the surrounding environment, which really loses some of the atmosphere. Shadows were also dialed back from their fullest setting on the original. My guess is that these changes were made to make absolutely sure the 360/ps3 could hit their framerate targets and they just carried over into the ps4/One/Switch versions. Speaking of the Switch version, it is cool as hell to play this game portably, but wow is the framerate bad. And thanks to the variable resolution, a lot of the time the game is running at a super low res looking very blurry while running sub 30 fps. This is especially bad in ROE and the lost levels. It's not one of Panic Button's better efforts I'm sad to say.

Missed opportunity to call it the evilution of doom 3. Great vid tho

Felt like I went from the south pole to North pole of Mars going to delta labs

I think this game would have been received better, especially at the time, if it was "Doom: Subtitle" instead of "Doom Numbered Entry"

If you haven't tried them, I recommend the VR mod for Doom 3 BFG Edition, called Doom 3 Fully Possessed. As well as a remake of the first episode of Doom 1 as a mod for Doom 3 called Classic Doom. They're fun as hell.

4:18 the utter lack of duct tape on Mars?... Oh. That too.

The doom guy from doom resurrection of evil looks looks a lot like the doom marine from doom eternal. You can especially see how they got the looks from him at 14:42. The face features and hair style looks a lot like the doom eternal but of course updated

Really enjoying these vids, but holy hell my dude, you find the lost souls annoying because you are fighting them wrong, you DONT have to use hitscan automatics on them, use the shotgun or the plasma rifle, the shotty will kill them in one hit and if not, stun them, the plasma rifle can stun lock them EDIT: its worth mentioning that the console version of BFG has a different source port for doom 1 and 2 based on PRboom+, it has split screen coop and deathmatch.

I kind of wish Id would just make their checkpoint systems optional. At least in Doom3 you could save whenever you want and pick the game up again from there later, but one of my criticisms for the new Doom games is the fact that checkpoints are the only save system and I just don't like that.

I want a modern doom game based on the movie with game play like this. it doesn't have to be good. i just wanna fight the rock

What is this classic Doom music remakes I am hearing? I would love to use them for my UD and D2 runs.

MAN! THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN "EVILUTION." :3

As it felt mixed reception it felt like a big hit either way. I made a playlist inspired by the game if it had music more than the ambience. That and among playing the game I realized they ..haven’t really made any merch for the game. not that I know of ....... Also the older one’s controller configuration is better than the bfg

Is sabaoth the inspiration for the doom hunter?Also doom 3 bring some elements that still live in the new doom game. doom 2016 take a lot of doom 3 imagerie and design and doom 3 give us the hellknight (yes Classic doom Hellknight is ugly). doom 3 is a pure product of his time, the half life like shooter era. Originally doom 4 should have been a COD like but ID decide to follow antoher path.

I was cheated out of Carmack's work, when I bought the BFG edition. It still bothers me they removed muzzle flash and many lighting & shadow effects.

Honestly, I liked the game but I couldn’t complete it. Primarily due to the fact that the flinching when hit was so extreme that it was just... So annoying and horrible. If there was a mod to remove that or an option added for it, I would definitely go back to it.

without a doubt the best way to play Doom 3 is the BFG edition with the VR mod.

I got this game when it came out, and running it nearly melted my Dad's PC. He didn't really mind though as he loves Doom just as much, and he even let me play the original Doom games, much to the chagrin of my mother.

I knew they put flashlight on out character in BFG edition. What puzzles me though - why they give you more ammo? Maybe if higher difficutly spawned more enemies (PC and consoles should handle more enemies) but that's not the case...

I really liked Doom 3 when it came out, it crushed my 6800GT at max settings but the dynamic lighting made up for it. While HL2 looked better overall, the lighting and stencil shadows of Doom 3 were great.

My memory of Doom 3 is very sketchy at best. I played through it 2-3 times back when it came out along with Resurrection of Evil and that was it. Never went back to it but I did remember enjoying it quite a lot. Think I might have to give it another go soon. One thing I do recall, however, is that I remember thinking that the grabber gun in ROE was basically just a cheap rip off of Half Life 2's gravity gun and could have probably been left out of the expansion entirely.

Still one of my favourite games of all time, and that's not even counting how much I like the look of idtech4 just in general. Shame it was only used for a few games. The controversy I've never really understood is just how vehement people got about that flashlight... sure, the UAC's a little bit gloomy, but I almost never found the game so dark that I actually needed to use it. Even in those few places where it did get pitch-black, most enemies would tend to have some light of their own to aim at. Yeah, yeah, so maybe I do just have the senses of a cat-thing and you guys don't... :) At the very least it means I can somewhat enjoy both versions of the game (even if I prefer the original). Since the biggest change between them is to something I don't really use anyway. It's not like I don't have a few complaints of my own. I have to admit I dislike the base campaign's hell level, but not for the same reasons you gave... throughout a number of maps before it, hell's built up as this massive world where people get lost, can go for days without seeing any sign of life, and where Betruger has a cunning plan to hide the soul cube from you. Once you actually get there, the game gives you what comes down to a series of rooms, flooded with demons to fight, which leads you straight to the thing it was supposedly trying to prevent you from finding. In a game which otherwise takes great pains to stay true to its own lore, this one break from that is pretty darn jarring. One thing BFG edition did that I do like was to add two extra hell levels in the Lost Mission, both of which I think are much better realizations of what Doom 3's hell was originally built up to be. The levels immediately leading up to hell, and all the ones after it, though, have always been my favourite part of the game.

16:45 - Isn't that what the red flashing on the crosshair is for?

Great game and underappreciated. I see people knocking it and they don't know what they're talking about.

Why does nobody talk about just how much the last 3rd of Doom 3 feels like Doom 1 and 2?

I recently picked up the game myself and its better than anticipated but one thing that irks me non stop is how clunky weapon switching is, it's odd that the BFG edition made the flashlight easier to use but added no weapon wheel

protip for your videos if you reference a sound or area in your script have it appear on screen or play a small clip of the sound once you say it sounds good or bad. I have nfi what the reload sound is like in DooM 3 as it's been years since I played it. but you say it's awesome. How do I know? Just something basic you can improve on.

Right until this moment I still love playing Doom 3, and especially Resurrection of Evil and Lost Mission. The last one feels like a summary of Doom 3 with a great Hell design. Also the industrial setting and sound effects are great, loved it and still enjoying the atmosphere and action mix. Too bad the final bosses are too easy to deal with, but playing at Nightmare difficulty adds more tension. Yeah I think Doom 3 was a very good decision.

Highly underrated game. Kicked ass back in the day, in my opinion it still kicks ass now if you're not a graphics whore. And I mean the original, not the BFG Edition.

I thought this game was well made but ultimately forgettable, I just don't have the desire to come back to it like I do for the rest of the series

The Doom 3 shotgun is just bad, in my opinion. Glad I was able to fix it myself. It LOOKED the part for a Doom shotgun, but it needed to PLAY the part...within reasonability. No, I didn't turn it into a super slug gun(I could've if I wanted to.)I simply reduced the spread value and dropped the reload rate to 1 shell at a time to balance it out.

The idea that Doom 3 isn't close to the original Doom is stupid it absolutely is if you look at Doom 3 and doom side by side they are both horror-based they are both meant to be played slow and methodically and they both have the same badass feeling as long as you don't sit there like a Karen and complain about everything the whole time. Doom 3 is literally just modernized Doom that's it the only thing different really is the story. People talk about the original doom and Doom 2 being action action but if you actually look at it it's not it's horror action it's not scary to us anymore but back in the day doom and Doom 2 used to be horrifying but because it's an old game and nobody is scared of it anymore suddenly now it's action action. Doom was never about just blasting demons it was about action and fear if you look at some of the scenery in the original Doom it's kind of freaky but back then you wouldn't want to enter the next room that's exactly what Doom 3 does they're literally the same thing.

Good content, but I have to watch these videos on higher speeds cause he just talks so slow lol

You should use the dhewm3 source port, since it fixes a lot of the graphical bugs the original has when running on Windows 10 (namely, stretched aspect ratio and low RAM detection, which causes the game to use low quality textures), while keeping the gameplay fully vanilla.

Doom 3 is more System Shock than doom and that is not an bad statement.

Wait. Does the uac scientist say built his cage or bent his cage?????

I notice every person who talks about doom on RU-vid always complain about the lost souls and i don't really know why. I never had any issues killing them in any doom game

I really appreciate Doom 3. People like to criticize it for focusing on horror and slowing down the pacing. But refuse to give credit for all the things it did better. Doom 3 has the best art design, monster design, aesthetic and sound design in the series. Take a look at the Imps and Pinky Demons in Doom 2016. They look like jokes. The game's overall aesthetic is just bland. And the weapons don't sound good. Ripping enemies with your bare hands is the only exciting thing in the Doom Reboot which they took from the Brutal Doom mod 🤷

I always liked this game at the time although it hasn't aged well for me.

Doom 3 feels like somewhere between the original Alien and Dead Space 1

Doom 1&2 on bfg edition :"cheat code didn't work at all". What??? I play alot with cheat code on bfg edition, especially on doom 1&2. I talk about the pc version. IDDQD IDFKFA if i remember corectly (you have to do it in game and not write it in the console).

I agree for the most part. But the changes in the bfg edition didn’t really bother me too much. Except for that toxic waist part in roe. But like the flashlight thing, I mean yeah it was cool in the original one but if you really think about it this game takes place in what 2100 something? I mean cmon by then yeah they would have flashlights mounted on there armor or weapons. And doom guy in the original one couldn’t like grab a bunch of flashlights and duck tape and tape them to his weapons or something? That just seems more realistic than having to pull out the flash light every time your in the dark then swapping to a weapon when a monster pops up. And this game is like 80% dark areas. I mean yeah that was cool and it did give the game a little more tension but personally I was ok without it. And roe originally had the flashlight on the pistol. I do agree it would have been nice to have the option. And I didn’t like the auto save in the original bfg edition cause it stops your game and takes so long to save. But thankfully there’s an option to turn it off in the PS4 version. Saving manually doesn’t bother me. In fact I like it better when I can save anywhere I want. It feels more classic. Y’all ever played the first red faction? That game did t have an auto save you had to save manually. Old doom you had to save manually. And about the ammo, think back to the original doom. There was ammo everywhere. Idk bout you but I recall being stocked with ammo at all times. Except for maybe the plasma amo but that’s the only ammo that’s kinda rare in my opinion. So yeah the ammo change didn’t bother me either. Honestly I didn’t really think about it first time I played the bfg edition. And this is coming from a long time doom fan. I played doom 3 when it came out on Xbox. And watched my brothers play it. It scared the shit out of me when I was a kid. But long story short. Or short story long lol the changes in the bfg edition didn’t bother me much. Just wish people would quit whining about the damn flashlight lol. Look at the remake for resident evil 2. You can have the flashlight out with every weapon. And that’s still a tense game. But hey good video man. Enjoyed it

I was kind of disappointed when I saw that it wasn’t the same Marine in Resurrection of Evil, but whatever.

The flashlight issue is kind of a moot point. It's not a stretch to think at the very least, a fucking space marine would be on the lookout for a roll of duct tape so fasten his flashlight somewhere. With that said it does change the vibe of the game somewhat but not enough to ruin it. The beam of a flashlight is a scary thing to look through, no matter where the thing is attached or not.

dude your footage is so stretched, i cant

the shotgun is still rubbish tho if they fixed it that'd be sweet

In terms of the story I feel like they should have taken a leaf out of Half Life's book and replaced all the cut scenes with scripted sequences and set pieces. It wouldn't have compared favourably to Half Life 2, but at least it would have encouraged them to be more mindful of pacing and wouldn't have involved close-ups of the appalling facial animation.

Honestly, I LIKE this video, but Civvie did it better, and he did have better Palpatine jokes, too. Still, I DO like this video. Get a Quest 2 and try Doom 3 in VR. I know a guy who's porting a load of classic FPS titles using source ports and he's editing the code so the ports can be run natively on Oculus Quest so you wouldn't have to tether yourself to a computer. All you really need is the original game files. The reason he doesn't get C&D's over his ports is because he ports source port engines, not the games themselves. He's done all the Doom games up to Doom 3, Half-Life 1, Quake 1 & 2, and Return to Castle Wolfenstein as well as just recently adding support for Wolfenstein 3D. And all these engines allow mods to run. It's SICK AS FUCK.

ah yes my first Doom game